I am not a fan of the a la carte treatment for computer components. It would be like buying an iPod, then having to buy the Dock, the cable, the belt clip, etc. For me at least, the nickela dnd ime treatment other product throw at you pisses me off and I end up putting the original product back on the shelf when it's done like that.
Remember that there were rumors/speculation for a while that the new iMac's display was supposed to be detachable and wireless. Throw in Airport Express, it could get interesting in that regard. It's a matter of how the data is moved to the display, and if some of the "meat" of the computer is coupled with the monitor, it could be a lot easier than MS's failed Smart Display technology, which tried sending all display data to the monitor instead of just some numbers that the display could then translate into graphics. I'm out of my league with the technical stuff about how such a system would work, but perhaps the vertical pizza box is not the entire CPU part, just what needs to go with the monitor.
Oh, another possible shape. Anyone remember the IBM Portable P70? It was vertical, had a flat screen (plasma), and had a handle for portability. It was an AIO.
Oh, another possible shape. Anyone remember the IBM Portable P70? It was vertical, had a flat screen (plasma), and had a handle for portability. It was an AIO.
Damn, I almost want one...(as far as that feature list if not that implementation)...
Please Apple, do this and more but better. I'll buy 3.
I recently had an HDTV from [name irrelevant] and I returned it not because it wasn't excellent but that it was only excellent under super-rare instances. (The primary problem was with me not having first thought of the multiple aspect ratios and their prevalence in relation to the things I watch.)
I instantly grew tired of 4:3 shows being letterboxed vertically, found regular digital cable broadcasts to be too blocky (CRT's blurriness hides these flaws) and was dissatisfied that anamorphic 1.85:1 movies are rare or at least 50/50 and that anamorphic 2.35:1 gets letterboxed.
Pre-HD TV shows look appalling sometimes. Better to see them on a crummy old set.
Anamorphic 1.85:1 movies are the one situation, aside from a very few video games, where you get true full screen 16x9 stunning imagery - not including HDTV broadcasts, which I didn't try - sorry, shows I hate in HDTV are still shows I hate)
What I want (and this is going to sound silly, ala Mr. Whoopee's 3D-BB) is a variable framed HDTV, meaning that for 4:3 the frame is 4:3, for 1.85:1 and 2.35:1 it adjusts to match them too. I won't say how this could be done (it can be) only that I want it. I'll skip HDTV until there are "dynamic frame" 60" OLED screens.
LCD TVs just don't cut it for me (the blacks really suck even on the best ones). I will perhaps go plasma but if not I can buy 4 or 5 Sony Wegas for the price of one plasma.
A very nice looking unit indeeed. Not as elegant as the boxes from Cupertino, but definitely a step up from the eMachines crowd.
At the current price of US $1599 after rebate stuffed with a decent feature set for the Wintel crowd (802.11 built-in, PVR built-in(!)), it should give Apple's product managers something to think about.
Ah, the old "it doesn't matter that Apple's consumer desktops suck, because everyone's buying laptops instead" argument.
When laptop sales reach 90% you'll be right.
The argument that apple is not focused on the desktop is totally not supported by recent history. Can anyone say X-serve. or G5. The fact is that laptops are the future of consumer computing in the short time not totally computing. I remembered a quote by James Cameron who said that the advanced computing for Terminator 2 would be a consumer machine in 10 years and here just over 10 years later we have the G5 and shake. Apple is poised to gain traction in the pro graphics market and that's still the desktop. UNTILL you can edit movies ( and i am not talking about your home wedding shot on a 1 ccd camera) solely on a laptop ( which will required major hard drive tech advances) the desktop will still be important to apple. The other thing with portables is screen size. To work in Shake, Maya, Inferno or final cut effectively you need a screen bigger than 17 inches and that's still a limiting factor. Apple desktops don't suck I challenge anyone who works in pro video to find a better cost effective solution.
As for the imac - i am really excited to see the next design for the machine, its price positioned in a funny place right now not a pro machine but not budget either, would like to see the machine become more cost effective or expandable.
And I don't believe it. The 15" iMac is inferior in every way (except design obviously) to the much cheaper eMac. At the very least, they'll bump the iMacs to the G4s that are in Powerbooks.
They're still coming, even if they don't show up at WWDC. I think it's more likely that they will debut at their own press event. It might be one of those NDA sneak peak things they used to do with upcoming PowerMacs in the interim. So far, Apple has been bringing new stuff out every week or two pretty consistenly for a while now.
At the very least, they'll bump the iMacs to the G4s that are in Powerbooks.
If that happens, they'll wait and maybe do it a week or so after WWDC by press release. But then one has to wonder: why did they take so long to do it?
yea think secret brought be down too,but i hope it's not true ,also im planning to buy a new imac,if they come out ,of course,i believe that maybe they are not coming after all,but,why havent they been updated in so long,also the emac,much cheaper and ahead of the imac,does anyone knows which would be more realiable in terms of rumors?ts or ai
does anyone knows which would be more realiable in terms of rumors?ts or ai
I remember last WWDC, AI predicted the G5 several weeks before the show. They may have been the first. Thinksecret had virtually nothing to say about it. In my view, all signs point to it. They've let the iMac sit for too long when they could have upgraded it to a faster G4 and 8x superdrive etc. Something is going to happen.
TS has been accurate in last minute revelations, but the " June is too early to roll out a consumer product that needs just the right amount of momentum entering the holiday buying season." is plain wrong. A new Apple computer has a 3+ year lifetime, so this viewpoint is too short term. It's also been previously brought up about buying season for back-to-school, which I agree with is a good time for a new computer.
I think all signs point to a new G5 based computer, the release date being dependent on production issues.
Exactly; Apple works on updates, redesigns and new products as they can. They release new models when they're ready. If it happens to coincide with a keynote speech somewhere, great, otherwise there's a press release and a new page at the Apple Store.
Occasionally, new products are delayed because of a glut of inventory in the supply channel. I believe that has been the case with new displays, but I'm only guessing. With there being an apparent short supply of iMacs, I'd bet Apple is working hard on an update, redesign or new product to fill the gap but we can't expect it next week if it's not ready; unless it's simply an announcement of something new, which is unlikely.
Its very clear that Apple has a lot of problems with all of its hardware lines, after using Macs for years and allways being second place to PCs it has become old.
I dont understand how a business can keep going without replacing old models with new ones such as iMac. The whole philosophy of crippling iMac with subpar cpu's-(G4) cheapest current videochip-Fx5200 and a monitor you are stuck with makes me think they dont want to sell to consumers. Look at all the hardware- Powermac- i waited a year for what??? Emac - nice value but instead of making it a real machine they gave it a poor videochip from years gone by with 32mb???they couldnt spend 50 more bucks on the video? iMac LCD well enough has been said of that stylish but dog of a computer. What has Apples hardware division become??? a art shop using technology from years gone by?
Jobs may be smart but he isnt smart to what the consumer wants hence the ever continuing slide of market. I know this is my first post here though i have been here for years but Apple's hardware offerings have gotten very sad. I even find myself looking at those very powerful Alienware- Aurora's hence my name. They make them to suite you not some corporate hancho who has no idea what you may need. So if a long time Mac user is thinking of jumping ship just to get current technology how many others would never give a iMac a second look simply on performance vs price? sorry for the rant but i feel very strongly the hardware division would be lost without its pods.
Emac - nice value but instead of making it a real machine they gave it a poor videochip from years gone by with 32mb???they couldnt spend 50 more bucks on the video?
On the one hand people complain that Apple hardware isn't as cheap as crappy WinPCs. On the other hand they expect all the latest features and not to have to pay for them. I for one (not being a gamer) am glad Apple doesn't make me pay for wicked fast GPUs I'll never need.
Aurora: sorry to take this one sentence out of context.
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Would it be kind of like a 2001-monolith with an arm coming off the middle and a screen hanging in midair? You'd slide disks in the side, maybe?
Or is the vertical pizzabox on one side, with the screen sticking out like a camcorder preview screen?
C'mon, photoshoppers, give us a mockup to chew on!
Originally posted by a_greer
My prediction, 3 words baby:
Display sold seperately
My three words:
That
Would
Suck
I am not a fan of the a la carte treatment for computer components. It would be like buying an iPod, then having to buy the Dock, the cable, the belt clip, etc. For me at least, the nickela dnd ime treatment other product throw at you pisses me off and I end up putting the original product back on the shelf when it's done like that.
Remember that there were rumors/speculation for a while that the new iMac's display was supposed to be detachable and wireless. Throw in Airport Express, it could get interesting in that regard. It's a matter of how the data is moved to the display, and if some of the "meat" of the computer is coupled with the monitor, it could be a lot easier than MS's failed Smart Display technology, which tried sending all display data to the monitor instead of just some numbers that the display could then translate into graphics. I'm out of my league with the technical stuff about how such a system would work, but perhaps the vertical pizza box is not the entire CPU part, just what needs to go with the monitor.
Here's a link! http://incolor.inebraska.com/jshorney/p70.htm
Originally posted by cubist
Oh, another possible shape. Anyone remember the IBM Portable P70? It was vertical, had a flat screen (plasma), and had a handle for portability. It was an AIO.
Here's a link! http://incolor.inebraska.com/jshorney/p70.htm
I guess Apple is going to beat this: http://www.gateway.com/products/tour...prodtour.shtml
And of course will make a superior system.
Originally posted by Gab-X
I guess Apple is going to beat this: http://www.gateway.com/products/tour...prodtour.shtml
And of course will make a superior system.
Damn, I almost want one...(as far as that feature list if not that implementation)...
Please Apple, do this and more but better. I'll buy 3.
I recently had an HDTV from [name irrelevant] and I returned it not because it wasn't excellent but that it was only excellent under super-rare instances. (The primary problem was with me not having first thought of the multiple aspect ratios and their prevalence in relation to the things I watch.)
I instantly grew tired of 4:3 shows being letterboxed vertically, found regular digital cable broadcasts to be too blocky (CRT's blurriness hides these flaws) and was dissatisfied that anamorphic 1.85:1 movies are rare or at least 50/50 and that anamorphic 2.35:1 gets letterboxed.
Pre-HD TV shows look appalling sometimes. Better to see them on a crummy old set.
Anamorphic 1.85:1 movies are the one situation, aside from a very few video games, where you get true full screen 16x9 stunning imagery - not including HDTV broadcasts, which I didn't try - sorry, shows I hate in HDTV are still shows I hate)
What I want (and this is going to sound silly, ala Mr. Whoopee's 3D-BB) is a variable framed HDTV, meaning that for 4:3 the frame is 4:3, for 1.85:1 and 2.35:1 it adjusts to match them too. I won't say how this could be done (it can be) only that I want it. I'll skip HDTV until there are "dynamic frame" 60" OLED screens.
LCD TVs just don't cut it for me (the blacks really suck even on the best ones). I will perhaps go plasma but if not I can buy 4 or 5 Sony Wegas for the price of one plasma.
Originally posted by Gab-X
I guess Apple is going to beat this: http://www.gateway.com/products/tour...prodtour.shtml
I hate to say it, but that's a pretty nice looking unit. Adjustable display, built in speakers, wide screen. Not bad at all, for Gateway.
At the current price of US $1599 after rebate stuffed with a decent feature set for the Wintel crowd (802.11 built-in, PVR built-in(!)), it should give Apple's product managers something to think about.
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
Ah, the old "it doesn't matter that Apple's consumer desktops suck, because everyone's buying laptops instead" argument.
When laptop sales reach 90% you'll be right.
The argument that apple is not focused on the desktop is totally not supported by recent history. Can anyone say X-serve. or G5. The fact is that laptops are the future of consumer computing in the short time not totally computing. I remembered a quote by James Cameron who said that the advanced computing for Terminator 2 would be a consumer machine in 10 years and here just over 10 years later we have the G5 and shake. Apple is poised to gain traction in the pro graphics market and that's still the desktop. UNTILL you can edit movies ( and i am not talking about your home wedding shot on a 1 ccd camera) solely on a laptop ( which will required major hard drive tech advances) the desktop will still be important to apple. The other thing with portables is screen size. To work in Shake, Maya, Inferno or final cut effectively you need a screen bigger than 17 inches and that's still a limiting factor. Apple desktops don't suck I challenge anyone who works in pro video to find a better cost effective solution.
As for the imac - i am really excited to see the next design for the machine, its price positioned in a funny place right now not a pro machine but not budget either, would like to see the machine become more cost effective or expandable.
Originally posted by Addison
I think we MAY see the new Sony duel layer burner.
Crack is bad, mmmmkay?
No new iMacs @ WWDC
Hard to believe
Originally posted by rickag
No new iMacs @ WWDC
Hard to believe
And I don't believe it. The 15" iMac is inferior in every way (except design obviously) to the much cheaper eMac. At the very least, they'll bump the iMacs to the G4s that are in Powerbooks.
Originally posted by 3.1416
At the very least, they'll bump the iMacs to the G4s that are in Powerbooks.
If that happens, they'll wait and maybe do it a week or so after WWDC by press release. But then one has to wonder: why did they take so long to do it?
Originally posted by iMAC G5dreamer
does anyone knows which would be more realiable in terms of rumors?ts or ai
I remember last WWDC, AI predicted the G5 several weeks before the show. They may have been the first. Thinksecret had virtually nothing to say about it. In my view, all signs point to it. They've let the iMac sit for too long when they could have upgraded it to a faster G4 and 8x superdrive etc. Something is going to happen.
Originally posted by jwdawso
TS has been accurate in last minute revelations, but the " June is too early to roll out a consumer product that needs just the right amount of momentum entering the holiday buying season." is plain wrong. A new Apple computer has a 3+ year lifetime, so this viewpoint is too short term. It's also been previously brought up about buying season for back-to-school, which I agree with is a good time for a new computer.
I think all signs point to a new G5 based computer, the release date being dependent on production issues.
Exactly; Apple works on updates, redesigns and new products as they can. They release new models when they're ready. If it happens to coincide with a keynote speech somewhere, great, otherwise there's a press release and a new page at the Apple Store.
Occasionally, new products are delayed because of a glut of inventory in the supply channel. I believe that has been the case with new displays, but I'm only guessing. With there being an apparent short supply of iMacs, I'd bet Apple is working hard on an update, redesign or new product to fill the gap but we can't expect it next week if it's not ready; unless it's simply an announcement of something new, which is unlikely.
I dont understand how a business can keep going without replacing old models with new ones such as iMac. The whole philosophy of crippling iMac with subpar cpu's-(G4) cheapest current videochip-Fx5200 and a monitor you are stuck with makes me think they dont want to sell to consumers. Look at all the hardware- Powermac- i waited a year for what??? Emac - nice value but instead of making it a real machine they gave it a poor videochip from years gone by with 32mb???they couldnt spend 50 more bucks on the video? iMac LCD well enough has been said of that stylish but dog of a computer. What has Apples hardware division become??? a art shop using technology from years gone by?
Jobs may be smart but he isnt smart to what the consumer wants hence the ever continuing slide of market. I know this is my first post here though i have been here for years but Apple's hardware offerings have gotten very sad. I even find myself looking at those very powerful Alienware- Aurora's hence my name. They make them to suite you not some corporate hancho who has no idea what you may need. So if a long time Mac user is thinking of jumping ship just to get current technology how many others would never give a iMac a second look simply on performance vs price? sorry for the rant but i feel very strongly the hardware division would be lost without its pods.
Originally posted by Aurora
Emac - nice value but instead of making it a real machine they gave it a poor videochip from years gone by with 32mb???they couldnt spend 50 more bucks on the video?
On the one hand people complain that Apple hardware isn't as cheap as crappy WinPCs. On the other hand they expect all the latest features and not to have to pay for them. I for one (not being a gamer) am glad Apple doesn't make me pay for wicked fast GPUs I'll never need.
Aurora: sorry to take this one sentence out of context.