I'll jump in and agree with Onlooker: PM's get Intels first.
Reasons: (1) History: the PM has always gotten the new processors first. (2) Ease of design: Just throw a standard motherboard in a box (hopefully smaller than the G5 case used for the dev kits). (3) Developers: they need the new platform first, and the dev kit is not a good solution. (4) Quickness: Intel's current chips are power hogs, and their dual-core chips are kludges, but in a tower case, so what?
Releasing PMs with Intels first is a quick win for Apple. I don't see why they wouldn't go for it.
What are you guys talking about? Steve Jobs said that the consumer Macs would be going Intel first. The Powermac and Xserve lineup will go Intel late 2006 early 2007. Why are you guys conjecturing over stuff that Apple's CEO has already made clear?
What are you guys talking about? Steve Jobs said that the consumer Macs would be going Intel first. The Powermac and Xserve lineup will go Intel late 2006 early 2007. Why are you guys conjecturing over stuff that Apple's CEO has already made clear?
Yeah but it's hard to believe anything Jobs has to say.
I might be wrong, but I don't think Steve specified anything about which would be first. If I remember correctly he just said it would happen over time and that the first would be within a year. We filled in the gaps.
I think I'd feel better with a last revision of a PPC PM over a shaky first version of an Macintel PM. That said, I'm all for speed ... and not waiting 1.5 years.
I think I'd feel better with a last revision of a PPC PM over a shaky first version of an Macintel PM. That said, I'm all for speed ... and not waiting 1.5 years.
But wouldn't the last revision be 'shaky' also (assuming it'll be the dual-cores PPCs we've been hearing about?)
I keep hearing things like "don't ever get version 1.0, they're buggy"...but lets face it...every revision is a version 1.0. No matter how you cut it, there are so many changes between revisions that there's no way you're guaranteed version 1.1 or 2.0 will be better than 1.0.
That said...I'm probably getting the very first Intel Macs simply because they'll be as buggy (or stable) as the second wave of Intel Macs.
Well, ok - if it is a minor bump - like the Powermac line saw earlier this year - then it is "safe." In that sense, here's hoping the next PM update is enough of a revision to count... but I tend to feel more comfortable (perhaps not logically) in a dual-core and/or speed-bumped PPC vs a new Intel (with all the changes that go along with it). But I'll take what I can get, and hope it is this fall.
I'm wondering if the a new PM was part of the lineup for the Keynote @ Paris? Also, if you look at shipping times do you think that they would only release a top tier PM with dual core? Replacing just the 2.7. I'm sure that the production of the new chips is slow with IBM being unmotivated with the switch coming..
What are you guys talking about? Steve Jobs said that the consumer Macs would be going Intel first. The Powermac and Xserve lineup will go Intel late 2006 early 2007. Why are you guys conjecturing over stuff that Apple's CEO has already made clear?
Whatever he may have, or had not said then, seems somewhat inapplicable now. Between then and now intel has made some leaps that they presumably were not expecting to resolve so soon.
There have been articles popping up about all the processors they are working on coming out quicker than intel had predicted. The Xeon Replacement was the first I had heard about, and that is what I figure should be in the PowerMac. I don't remember if it was a 64 BIT processor though, and that May be what Apple is waiting for. A 64-bit Dual Core Power House for the Pro Machine. When I think PowerMac on intel - I think 64-Bit Dual core XEON replacement. If I were Apple I wouldn't take anything less.
The Xeon Replacement was the first I had heard about, and that is what I figure should be in the PowerMac. I don't remember if it was a 64 BIT processor though, and that May be what Apple is waiting for.
A 64-bit Dual Core Power House for the Pro Machine. When I think PowerMac on intel - I think 64-Bit Dual core XEON replacement. If I were Apple I wouldn't take anything less.
Intel says that this (dual core Xeon) is coming in the next couple of months or so. Or do you mean something else?
I might be wrong, but I don't think Steve specified anything about which would be first. If I remember correctly he just said it would happen over time and that the first would be within a year. We filled in the gaps.
I agree. I went back and watched the WWDC keynote (at least I skipped through it anyway):
(if anyone wants to spend an hour watching it "note-for-note", let me know if I missed something.)
At no time does Steve mention anything about which models (Pro/Consumer) will be transitioned first, just that there will be Macs ("...plan to have them in the marketplace") already running on Intel by WWDC 06 and that all Macs will be running on Intel by WWDC 07 (transition will be "officially" completed by end of 07). Not sure how the whole notion of the Pro/Consumer rollout thing got started. It wouldn't surprise me if we see a PowerBook on Intel at MWSF 06. That'd be a great way to kick off the year of Mactel.
Intel says that this (dual core Xeon) is coming in the next couple of months or so. Or do you mean something else?
I suppose that could be a possibility then. I don't remember specifics, but if it's a 64-bit, dual core XEON, w/hyper-threading I think that may be what I read at the time. But I thought there was going to be a XEON replacement coming that wasn't actually going to be called the XEON. I may have just assumed, or imagined that though.
They have a lot going on, and that particular XEON may not be the one I was talking about.
15 different multi-core processors coming. WOW!
Intel® Xeon? Dual-Core Processor MP
4QTR, 2005
Quote:
Multi-core processors represent a critical industry inflection point. Intel currently has over 15 multi-core processor designs underway across all platform categories, and plans to rapidly increase the number of cores in future processor architectures. This can be expected to drive dramatic performance and price/performance gains over the next few years.
Just as important, Intel is focused on delivering extensive platform innovations in its upcoming dual-core processor-based systems. These technologies will not only enhance the benefits of dual-core processors, but deliver a wide range of additional benefits. Examples include Intel® Virtualization Technology, Intel® I/O Acceleration Technology (Intel® I/OAT), Intel® Active Management Technology (Intel® AMT), and Intel Power Tools. In conjunction with 64-bit Intel® processors and Hyper-Threading Technology, these technologies will be instrumental in optimizing value, reducing costs and mitigating risk in real-world business and IT environment
Ah, so much anticipation, so little solid information to work with. Perhaps we should start our own rumor.
"Apple Computer would not comment on reports that a dual dual-core Intel-based PowerMac with standard 2 GB ram, 8x dual-layer superdrive and PCI express would be announced at the beginning of the Paris Expo, September 20th."
Not a shred of information to back it up, but that hasn't stopped anyone else.
that is a good idea... start a buzz about a new PM product line... realistic guess of course....and if Apple told us to stop with their lawyers we would know something was coming... force their hand!
i'm sick of waiting... i expected something better than the bumps last time... i don't want to buy old technology... if nothing shows up soon i'll settle on a dual 2.0 until the rev. B of intel macs come out. No since spending the extra for the top machine when it will be dropped. I had them cancel a order for a 2.7 at work in anticipation of 970MP.... what ever comes out soon hopefully i'll get one at home and one at work.
One more thing:
Is everyone with info afraid to post? Afraid of being attacked by Apple? there has to be someone out there with insight to the future...
Now I'm speculating, but I think the Paris keynote thing means there is a big surprise in the works. Does anyone know if any bigwigs from Intel will be there?
These events are becoming more and more theatrical, so I wouldn't assume anything from the Paris keynote announcement. Apple loves to create a buzz.
It will have to be a killer machine to keep it in the usual price range.
I'm getting really fed up with Apple these days. (I've been using Macs proffesionally for around 15 years.) I've just finished the upgrade to OSX - took a while (Lot's of stuff to buy, fonts to sort and don't even go there with Quark!)
So now I'm desperate to replace the PB i've been using as a stop gap machine with a Power Mac. However, with the promise of great PPC products to come I've held off buying for a few months. A Power Mac with lots of Ram is a big purchase for me - particularly after all the money I've spent of software upgrades.
After the Apple keynote was cancelled I called the two biggest Mac dealers in the UK to check availabilty and price. (As I'll order straight after the Paris show - I'm pretty much giving up on a dual core etc).
The only thing they've got now is the base dual 2 GHZ.
No stocks at all of the 2.3 or 2.7. No idea of when they'll be getting stocks in either. (Guess what - iMacs and iPods weren't a problem!)
Well, the best hope is that the high-end Powermacs are not available right now because Apple has something big about to replace them.
However, it could also be that they can't get some of the components needed, for those machines right now, and the stock will come back up, once they can.
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Originally posted by cubist
I'll jump in and agree with Onlooker: PM's get Intels first.
Reasons: (1) History: the PM has always gotten the new processors first. (2) Ease of design: Just throw a standard motherboard in a box (hopefully smaller than the G5 case used for the dev kits). (3) Developers: they need the new platform first, and the dev kit is not a good solution. (4) Quickness: Intel's current chips are power hogs, and their dual-core chips are kludges, but in a tower case, so what?
Releasing PMs with Intels first is a quick win for Apple. I don't see why they wouldn't go for it.
What are you guys talking about? Steve Jobs said that the consumer Macs would be going Intel first. The Powermac and Xserve lineup will go Intel late 2006 early 2007. Why are you guys conjecturing over stuff that Apple's CEO has already made clear?
Originally posted by hmurchison
What are you guys talking about? Steve Jobs said that the consumer Macs would be going Intel first. The Powermac and Xserve lineup will go Intel late 2006 early 2007. Why are you guys conjecturing over stuff that Apple's CEO has already made clear?
Yeah but it's hard to believe anything Jobs has to say.
Originally posted by murk
We filled in the gaps.
I think I'd feel better with a last revision of a PPC PM over a shaky first version of an Macintel PM. That said, I'm all for speed ... and not waiting 1.5 years.
Originally posted by bjewett
I think I'd feel better with a last revision of a PPC PM over a shaky first version of an Macintel PM. That said, I'm all for speed ... and not waiting 1.5 years.
But wouldn't the last revision be 'shaky' also (assuming it'll be the dual-cores PPCs we've been hearing about?)
I keep hearing things like "don't ever get version 1.0, they're buggy"...but lets face it...every revision is a version 1.0. No matter how you cut it, there are so many changes between revisions that there's no way you're guaranteed version 1.1 or 2.0 will be better than 1.0.
That said...I'm probably getting the very first Intel Macs simply because they'll be as buggy (or stable) as the second wave of Intel Macs.
Originally posted by namachtag
I'm sure that the production of the new chips is slow with IBM being unmotivated with the switch coming..
Motivation is one thing, contract obligations is another; let's see what wins in this case
Originally posted by hmurchison
What are you guys talking about? Steve Jobs said that the consumer Macs would be going Intel first. The Powermac and Xserve lineup will go Intel late 2006 early 2007. Why are you guys conjecturing over stuff that Apple's CEO has already made clear?
Whatever he may have, or had not said then, seems somewhat inapplicable now. Between then and now intel has made some leaps that they presumably were not expecting to resolve so soon.
There have been articles popping up about all the processors they are working on coming out quicker than intel had predicted. The Xeon Replacement was the first I had heard about, and that is what I figure should be in the PowerMac. I don't remember if it was a 64 BIT processor though, and that May be what Apple is waiting for. A 64-bit Dual Core Power House for the Pro Machine. When I think PowerMac on intel - I think 64-Bit Dual core XEON replacement. If I were Apple I wouldn't take anything less.
Originally posted by onlooker
The Xeon Replacement was the first I had heard about, and that is what I figure should be in the PowerMac. I don't remember if it was a 64 BIT processor though, and that May be what Apple is waiting for.
Unless I need new eyeglasses, the Xeon processor has a 64-bit version right now.
A 64-bit Dual Core Power House for the Pro Machine. When I think PowerMac on intel - I think 64-Bit Dual core XEON replacement. If I were Apple I wouldn't take anything less.
Intel says that this (dual core Xeon) is coming in the next couple of months or so. Or do you mean something else?
Originally posted by murk
I might be wrong, but I don't think Steve specified anything about which would be first. If I remember correctly he just said it would happen over time and that the first would be within a year. We filled in the gaps.
I agree. I went back and watched the WWDC keynote (at least I skipped through it anyway):
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc05/
(if anyone wants to spend an hour watching it "note-for-note", let me know if I missed something.)
At no time does Steve mention anything about which models (Pro/Consumer) will be transitioned first, just that there will be Macs ("...plan to have them in the marketplace") already running on Intel by WWDC 06 and that all Macs will be running on Intel by WWDC 07 (transition will be "officially" completed by end of 07). Not sure how the whole notion of the Pro/Consumer rollout thing got started. It wouldn't surprise me if we see a PowerBook on Intel at MWSF 06. That'd be a great way to kick off the year of Mactel.
Originally posted by PB
Unless I need new eyeglasses, the Xeon processor has a 64-bit version right now.
Intel says that this (dual core Xeon) is coming in the next couple of months or so. Or do you mean something else?
I suppose that could be a possibility then. I don't remember specifics, but if it's a 64-bit, dual core XEON, w/hyper-threading I think that may be what I read at the time. But I thought there was going to be a XEON replacement coming that wasn't actually going to be called the XEON. I may have just assumed, or imagined that though.
They have a lot going on, and that particular XEON may not be the one I was talking about.
15 different multi-core processors coming. WOW!
Intel® Xeon? Dual-Core Processor MP
4QTR, 2005
Multi-core processors represent a critical industry inflection point. Intel currently has over 15 multi-core processor designs underway across all platform categories, and plans to rapidly increase the number of cores in future processor architectures. This can be expected to drive dramatic performance and price/performance gains over the next few years.
Just as important, Intel is focused on delivering extensive platform innovations in its upcoming dual-core processor-based systems. These technologies will not only enhance the benefits of dual-core processors, but deliver a wide range of additional benefits. Examples include Intel® Virtualization Technology, Intel® I/O Acceleration Technology (Intel® I/OAT), Intel® Active Management Technology (Intel® AMT), and Intel Power Tools. In conjunction with 64-bit Intel® processors and Hyper-Threading Technology, these technologies will be instrumental in optimizing value, reducing costs and mitigating risk in real-world business and IT environment
link
Originally posted by jwdawso
Shipping times for the PM 2.7GHz has dropped from 7-10 days to 3-5 days...
yeah right, about 10 days ago, but thank you anyways
Originally posted by Chris_here
yeah right, about 10 days ago, but thank you anyways
No Power Mac updates in the horizon?
"Apple Computer would not comment on reports that a dual dual-core Intel-based PowerMac with standard 2 GB ram, 8x dual-layer superdrive and PCI express would be announced at the beginning of the Paris Expo, September 20th."
Not a shred of information to back it up, but that hasn't stopped anyone else.
i'm sick of waiting... i expected something better than the bumps last time... i don't want to buy old technology... if nothing shows up soon i'll settle on a dual 2.0 until the rev. B of intel macs come out. No since spending the extra for the top machine when it will be dropped. I had them cancel a order for a 2.7 at work in anticipation of 970MP.... what ever comes out soon hopefully i'll get one at home and one at work.
One more thing:
Is everyone with info afraid to post? Afraid of being attacked by Apple? there has to be someone out there with insight to the future...
I think apple showed it's hand right off the bat by throwing together the Intel Mac for developers.
I think that given the apparent speed and ease of retrofitting the PM with an Intel MB tells us right away which machine gets the first Intel chips.
Plenty of room for cooling for the CPU and whatever huge video card you want.
http://www.thinksecret.com/cgi-bin/p...p=0506intelmac
Now I'm speculating, but I think the Paris keynote thing means there is a big surprise in the works. Does anyone know if any bigwigs from Intel will be there?
These events are becoming more and more theatrical, so I wouldn't assume anything from the Paris keynote announcement. Apple loves to create a buzz.
It will have to be a killer machine to keep it in the usual price range.
I'm with namachtag.
I'm getting really fed up with Apple these days. (I've been using Macs proffesionally for around 15 years.) I've just finished the upgrade to OSX - took a while (Lot's of stuff to buy, fonts to sort and don't even go there with Quark!)
So now I'm desperate to replace the PB i've been using as a stop gap machine with a Power Mac. However, with the promise of great PPC products to come I've held off buying for a few months. A Power Mac with lots of Ram is a big purchase for me - particularly after all the money I've spent of software upgrades.
After the Apple keynote was cancelled I called the two biggest Mac dealers in the UK to check availabilty and price. (As I'll order straight after the Paris show - I'm pretty much giving up on a dual core etc).
The only thing they've got now is the base dual 2 GHZ.
No stocks at all of the 2.3 or 2.7. No idea of when they'll be getting stocks in either. (Guess what - iMacs and iPods weren't a problem!)
What is going on?
Well, the best hope is that the high-end Powermacs are not available right now because Apple has something big about to replace them.
However, it could also be that they can't get some of the components needed, for those machines right now, and the stock will come back up, once they can.