Powermac G5s aren't meant to live in your lounge room. The noise of the 360 is excessive for where people are meant to be placing it. There's something to be said for good design and a die shrink in 2007 doesn't really remove the problem or the error. That's no different to Sony deciding to redesign the boomerang, although at least that poor design will never see the light of day, unlike the first Xbox's original controller.
My xbox360 is in my bedroom, and if it makes a noise, then it isn't enough noise to draw attention to itself during game play or dvd watching.
But the powermac G5 was also very quiet, I thought - at least the low-end single processor version was.
My xbox360 is in my bedroom, and if it makes a noise, then it isn't enough noise to draw attention to itself during game play or dvd watching.
But the powermac G5 was also very quiet, I thought - at least the low-end single processor version was.
My XBox 360 is louder than any G5 Power Mac, and certainly louder than any element in my home theater. Everything else including my Denon DVD player is pretty much silent. After a while, you get really good at tuning out the 360's drone though.
HD DVD native support in Vista slipping yet another few months?...
Does this really matter? Whoever is producing the drives, will make drivers that work in XP, Vista, Mac, and whatever else they want. Native drivers in Vista don't really matter. Toast will be updated, and so will Nero, VLC, Mplayer, PowerDVD, etc, etc, etc all without the help of Microsoft. And how does this effect the set top market at all, where the battle will be won or lost?
Plus, weren't you the one that was saying this was a moot point when it was brought up as an advantage over Blu-Ray, as Blu-Ray drive makers would produce drivers for Vista, so who cared about native support?
Does this really matter? Whoever is producing the drives, will make drivers that work in XP, Vista, Mac, and whatever else they want. Native drivers in Vista don't really matter. Toast will be updated, and so will Nero, VLC, Mplayer, PowerDVD, etc, etc, etc all without the help of Microsoft. And how does this effect the set top market at all, where the battle will be won or lost?
Plus, weren't you the one that was saying this was a moot point when it was brought up as an advantage over Blu-Ray, as Blu-Ray drive makers would produce drivers for Vista, so who cared about native support?
Precisely. Actually, my post was more of a dig to those who kept making and are still making native support for HD DVD in Vista a bigger deal than it really is. If those who think that this native support was going to tip the scales in HD DVD's favor because how large Microsoft is, well then I was just sharing some news that wasn't going to help their argument any.
My XBox 360 is louder than any G5 Power Mac, and certainly louder than any element in my home theater. Everything else including my Denon DVD player is pretty much silent. After a while, you get really good at tuning out the 360's drone though.
You are right - I went back and listened and it is loud, my brain was just editing it out.
Precisely. Actually, my post was more of a dig to those who kept making and are still making native support for HD DVD in Vista a bigger deal than it really is. If those who think that this native support was going to tip the scales in HD DVD's favor because how large Microsoft is, well then I was just sharing some news that wasn't going to help their argument any.
Besides which, whoever said native support for anything inside Windows was necessarily a good thing? There are quite a few things that are "natively supported" in Windows that are only done so in a half-hearted fashion, at least if they weren't developed by Microsoft itself. There's nothing directly supported in Windows that isn't done better by a third party, and usually much better.
This thing will contain Blu-Ray. And because Sony deliberately intends to sell it at a loss for it's first calander year to bring the cost per unit down. We could see the PS 3 for $499 I can't wait for this mean machine, it should be an animal. (notice the touch sensitive power/eject buttons on the front, nice touch)
It's probably worth noting that they'll still make a profit on the games, and that should make up for the other loss to a nice degree. Redesigned boomerangs too
They plan to take a billion dollar loss in the first year. With games.
Hahah, I might have to buy a PS3 just to be a jerk and cost sony more money.
I've owned plenty of sony products. CD players, headphones, you name it. I threw them away as they broke and replaced them with brands ranging from Pioneer to Daewoo (none of which have broken as quickly, if at all). Now I own no sony products apart from this 17" CRT from 1992, music, and movies.
It'd be nice to turn the tables just this once! Maybe I'll buy PS3s until I've taken enough money from them to make up for my losses on buying their crappy products.
Someone post the loss margin so I can start saving up. REVENGE AT LAST!
System to come in two configurations, will cost up to $599.
by Jeff Haynes
May 8, 2006 - In a last minute bombshell, Kaz Hirai announced the specific date and details of the PS3 launch. The PS3 will be arranged in two separate system configurations: a 20 and a 60 gigabyte hard drive system. What's more, Japan will see the PS3 first on November 11th, at a price for 59,800 yen for the 20 gigabyte system setup. The 60 gigabyte system will be open ended and set by retailers. North America, Europe and Australasia will see the system six days later on November 17th. The price? $499 dollars or 499 Euros for the 20 gig version, and $599 dollars or 599 Euros for the 60 gig version. In Canadian dollars, that will come to approximately $549 dollars for the 20 gig and $659 dollars for the 60 gig version.
Hirai also announced that Sony will try to get a grand total of six million units shipped by March 31, 2007, which is Sony's fiscal date: 2 million PS3s will be available during the initial launch window, another 2 million will be shipped before the end of 2006, and finally another 2 before March 31st.
We'll have more details shortly.
So much for the $800 FUD. This will most definitely be selling like hotcakes.
Unfortunately, Sony crippled the $500 PS3 by only including the HDMI out port on the $600 PS3. They also stripped the $500 of 802.11 WiFi and of the Memory Stick/Flash slots.
The real question is, how many of the 2 million worldwide launch 'window' units are going to hit the US for the November 17 launch, and how many of those will be the crippled $500 units? I think we're looking at another major shortage, possibly even worse than what we saw with the Xbox 360.
Unfortunately, Sony crippled the $500 PS3 by only including the HDMI out port on the $600 PS3. They also stripped the $500 of 802.11 WiFi and of the Memory Stick/Flash slots.
The real question is, how many of the 2 million worldwide launch 'window' units are going to hit the US for the November 17 launch, and how many of those will be the crippled $500 units? I think we're looking at another major shortage, possibly even worse than what we saw with the Xbox 360.
Well, for $600 ($100 more than the Toshiba HD-DVD player) you not only get a Blu-Ray player but a game machine as well. That sounds like a good deal to me. Still, it is just plain stupid of Sony not to include HDMI on the lower end $500 version. Go ahead and drop WiFi and MemoryCard to differenciate between the two models but not HDMI.
It's possible the second connector is a proprietary connector through which they can offer HDMI. Similar to current consoles where you can buy various cables to fit into one port. Obviously support for HDCP will be there on the graphics card so it is just a case of including or not including the actual connector.
I'm just guessing though and like the higher priced 360 the higher priced PS3 is really worth the extra money and will probably out sell the lower priced unit.
Well, for $600 ($100 more than the Toshiba HD-DVD player) you not only get a Blu-Ray player but a game machine as well. That sounds like a good deal to me. Still, it is just plain stupid of Sony not to include HDMI on the lower end $500 version. Go ahead and drop WiFi and MemoryCard to differenciate between the two models but not HDMI.
The problem here is that the PS3 is supposed to be a game machine that spurs Blu-ray adoption, not a Blu-ray device that spurs game sales.
And the new controller? A freaking dual-shock. Yay for 10-year old ergonomics and a controller designed with the d-pad in mind instead of the analog sticks.
Comments
Originally posted by Telomar
Powermac G5s aren't meant to live in your lounge room. The noise of the 360 is excessive for where people are meant to be placing it. There's something to be said for good design and a die shrink in 2007 doesn't really remove the problem or the error. That's no different to Sony deciding to redesign the boomerang, although at least that poor design will never see the light of day, unlike the first Xbox's original controller.
My xbox360 is in my bedroom, and if it makes a noise, then it isn't enough noise to draw attention to itself during game play or dvd watching.
But the powermac G5 was also very quiet, I thought - at least the low-end single processor version was.
Originally posted by e1618978
My xbox360 is in my bedroom, and if it makes a noise, then it isn't enough noise to draw attention to itself during game play or dvd watching.
But the powermac G5 was also very quiet, I thought - at least the low-end single processor version was.
My XBox 360 is louder than any G5 Power Mac, and certainly louder than any element in my home theater. Everything else including my Denon DVD player is pretty much silent. After a while, you get really good at tuning out the 360's drone though.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060502-6732.html
Not good for Toshiba & Company.
Originally posted by marzetta7
HD DVD native support in Vista slipping yet another few months?...
Does this really matter? Whoever is producing the drives, will make drivers that work in XP, Vista, Mac, and whatever else they want. Native drivers in Vista don't really matter. Toast will be updated, and so will Nero, VLC, Mplayer, PowerDVD, etc, etc, etc all without the help of Microsoft. And how does this effect the set top market at all, where the battle will be won or lost?
Plus, weren't you the one that was saying this was a moot point when it was brought up as an advantage over Blu-Ray, as Blu-Ray drive makers would produce drivers for Vista, so who cared about native support?
Originally posted by kupan787
Does this really matter? Whoever is producing the drives, will make drivers that work in XP, Vista, Mac, and whatever else they want. Native drivers in Vista don't really matter. Toast will be updated, and so will Nero, VLC, Mplayer, PowerDVD, etc, etc, etc all without the help of Microsoft. And how does this effect the set top market at all, where the battle will be won or lost?
Plus, weren't you the one that was saying this was a moot point when it was brought up as an advantage over Blu-Ray, as Blu-Ray drive makers would produce drivers for Vista, so who cared about native support?
Precisely. Actually, my post was more of a dig to those who kept making and are still making native support for HD DVD in Vista a bigger deal than it really is. If those who think that this native support was going to tip the scales in HD DVD's favor because how large Microsoft is, well then I was just sharing some news that wasn't going to help their argument any.
Originally posted by Eugene
My XBox 360 is louder than any G5 Power Mac, and certainly louder than any element in my home theater. Everything else including my Denon DVD player is pretty much silent. After a while, you get really good at tuning out the 360's drone though.
You are right - I went back and listened and it is loud, my brain was just editing it out.
Originally posted by marzetta7
Precisely. Actually, my post was more of a dig to those who kept making and are still making native support for HD DVD in Vista a bigger deal than it really is. If those who think that this native support was going to tip the scales in HD DVD's favor because how large Microsoft is, well then I was just sharing some news that wasn't going to help their argument any.
Besides which, whoever said native support for anything inside Windows was necessarily a good thing? There are quite a few things that are "natively supported" in Windows that are only done so in a half-hearted fashion, at least if they weren't developed by Microsoft itself. There's nothing directly supported in Windows that isn't done better by a third party, and usually much better.
It's probably worth noting that they'll still make a profit on the games, and that should make up for the other loss to a nice degree. Redesigned boomerangs too
The PS3 cuts the fat... it runs right off into a tray.
Just kidding.
They plan to take a billion dollar loss in the first year. With games.
Originally posted by nowayout11
They plan to take a billion dollar loss in the first year. With games.
Hahah, I might have to buy a PS3 just to be a jerk and cost sony more money.
I've owned plenty of sony products. CD players, headphones, you name it. I threw them away as they broke and replaced them with brands ranging from Pioneer to Daewoo (none of which have broken as quickly, if at all). Now I own no sony products apart from this 17" CRT from 1992, music, and movies.
It'd be nice to turn the tables just this once! Maybe I'll buy PS3s until I've taken enough money from them to make up for my losses on buying their crappy products.
Someone post the loss margin so I can start saving up. REVENGE AT LAST!
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/705/705838p1.html
E3 2006: PS3 Date and Price Announced
System to come in two configurations, will cost up to $599.
by Jeff Haynes
May 8, 2006 - In a last minute bombshell, Kaz Hirai announced the specific date and details of the PS3 launch. The PS3 will be arranged in two separate system configurations: a 20 and a 60 gigabyte hard drive system. What's more, Japan will see the PS3 first on November 11th, at a price for 59,800 yen for the 20 gigabyte system setup. The 60 gigabyte system will be open ended and set by retailers. North America, Europe and Australasia will see the system six days later on November 17th. The price? $499 dollars or 499 Euros for the 20 gig version, and $599 dollars or 599 Euros for the 60 gig version. In Canadian dollars, that will come to approximately $549 dollars for the 20 gig and $659 dollars for the 60 gig version.
Hirai also announced that Sony will try to get a grand total of six million units shipped by March 31, 2007, which is Sony's fiscal date: 2 million PS3s will be available during the initial launch window, another 2 million will be shipped before the end of 2006, and finally another 2 before March 31st.
We'll have more details shortly.
So much for the $800 FUD. This will most definitely be selling like hotcakes.
The real question is, how many of the 2 million worldwide launch 'window' units are going to hit the US for the November 17 launch, and how many of those will be the crippled $500 units? I think we're looking at another major shortage, possibly even worse than what we saw with the Xbox 360.
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509c.pdf
Originally posted by Fran441
Unfortunately, Sony crippled the $500 PS3 by only including the HDMI out port on the $600 PS3. They also stripped the $500 of 802.11 WiFi and of the Memory Stick/Flash slots.
The real question is, how many of the 2 million worldwide launch 'window' units are going to hit the US for the November 17 launch, and how many of those will be the crippled $500 units? I think we're looking at another major shortage, possibly even worse than what we saw with the Xbox 360.
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509c.pdf
WTF, no HDMI for the $500 dollar one. Where the logic in that. How the hell do you watch HD movies on it then!! Huh??
Cause I don't see the point in having a Blu-ray player and skimping in the HDMI port. I hope to hell this is somehow false.
I'm just guessing though and like the higher priced 360 the higher priced PS3 is really worth the extra money and will probably out sell the lower priced unit.
Originally posted by 1984
Well, for $600 ($100 more than the Toshiba HD-DVD player) you not only get a Blu-Ray player but a game machine as well. That sounds like a good deal to me. Still, it is just plain stupid of Sony not to include HDMI on the lower end $500 version. Go ahead and drop WiFi and MemoryCard to differenciate between the two models but not HDMI.
The problem here is that the PS3 is supposed to be a game machine that spurs Blu-ray adoption, not a Blu-ray device that spurs game sales.
And the new controller? A freaking dual-shock. Yay for 10-year old ergonomics and a controller designed with the d-pad in mind instead of the analog sticks.
risky business.
Originally posted by Eugene
The problem here is that the PS3 is supposed to be a game machine that spurs Blu-ray adoption, not a Blu-ray device that spurs game sales.
There are many who'd disagree and think blu-ray is more important to Sony than some console marketshare.