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GeorgeBMac said:

6502 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

6502 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

22july2013 said:

I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--

By the way, on environmental indexes, Viet Nam is near the bottom. Although India is even closer to the bottom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Performance_Index <--

I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.  And, as business people, Apple should be concerned with product quality and cost rather than politics.

So if this were the 1940's and Apple was having their products built using Nazi concentration camp labor, you'd be cool with that?

Did you have a point to make?

Nazi concentration camps and genocide are not and never have been a political issue.

You literally said "I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself." Germany chose Hitler and Nazism, which means you'd be fine with Apple making their products in Nazi Germany using concentration camp labor as long as the quality was good. Dear lord.

Hitler used (or misused) democracy to gain power...   So you are now condemning democracy?   Maybe you should move to China?

GeorgeBMac said:

6502 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

6502 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

22july2013 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

22july2013 said:

I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--

By the way, on environmental indexes, Viet Nam is near the bottom. Although India is even closer to the bottom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Performance_Index <--

I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.  

I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.

The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S.  The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.

Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.

Chinese people can't so much text a friend their slight unhappiness about the government; they'll be quickly visited by a government official, at the minimum. I work with many chinese and this is true.

You forgot about puttings lists together of members of the losing party so they can potentially be jailed, likely without trial.

Did you have a point to make?

Here black people can't even walk to the grocery store without fear of being murdered by a policeman or vigilante -- who of course will go unpunished for the murder.

Or, for 4 years all Americans have had to worry about a justice department charged with protecting a president's friends and punishing his enemies.

It's easy to point fingers -- especially one with a political motive.  Which is why I suggested Apple should stick to product quality and cost and stay out of the international political arena.

Hyperbole much?

Just using your level of hyperbole to point out it can be used to prove whatever political point you might want to make.

tmay said:

6502 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

6502 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

22july2013 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

22july2013 said:

I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--

By the way, on environmental indexes, Viet Nam is near the bottom. Although India is even closer to the bottom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Performance_Index <--

I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.  

I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.

The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S.  The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.

Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.

Chinese people can't so much text a friend their slight unhappiness about the government; they'll be quickly visited by a government official, at the minimum. I work with many chinese and this is true.

You forgot about puttings lists together of members of the losing party so they can potentially be jailed, likely without trial.

Did you have a point to make?

Here black people can't even walk to the grocery store without fear of being murdered by a policeman or vigilante -- who of course will go unpunished for the murder.

Or, for 4 years all Americans have had to worry about a justice department charged with protecting a president's friends and punishing his enemies.

It's easy to point fingers -- especially one with a political motive.  Which is why I suggested Apple should stick to product quality and cost and stay out of the international political arena.

Hyperbole much? I saw a black man in the grocery store just yesterday. He was neither murdered nor showed any fear of being imminently murdered.

Ever hear of the First Step Act? Criminal justice reform passed by Trump and praised by the left.

You like to argue for the sake of arguing.

The First Step Act was limited with to Parolee recidivism.

It has nothing to do with the current issues with an overzealous and racist element of local police forces.

GeorgeBMac said:

6502 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

22july2013 said:

I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--

By the way, on environmental indexes, Viet Nam is near the bottom. Although India is even closer to the bottom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Performance_Index <--

I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.  And, as business people, Apple should be concerned with product quality and cost rather than politics.

So if this were the 1940's and Apple was having their products built using Nazi concentration camp labor, you'd be cool with that?

Did you have a point to make?

Nazi concentration camps and genocide are not and never have been a political issue.