I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
Well, since those who squawk about human rights and the environment don’t seem wiling to pay higher prices for goods made in countries they approve of, I don’t think their opinions matter much. Do those people check the labels for point of manufacture when buying clothing? Do they buy USA made clothing online and pay 25% more for them? I sincerely doubt it. Oh wait, those same people also think the USA is a cesspool human rights abuses, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc so I guess it’s a wash.
You should maybe:
1) Practice what you preach
2) Get a better grasp of American history -- and current events for that matter.
Are you friggin’ seriously suggesting that your grasp of current events is the beacon to which we should all aspire? That your knowledge of geopolitics is not completely clouded and biased by media propaganda? You, sir, should stick to talking about wallet cases, because you quite obviously are unable, or unwilling to approach this subject with reason or logic. As the old saying goes, you can’t see the forest through the trees.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
Well, since those who squawk about human rights and the environment don’t seem wiling to pay higher prices for goods made in countries they approve of, I don’t think their opinions matter much. Do those people check the labels for point of manufacture when buying clothing? Do they buy USA made clothing online and pay 25% more for them? I sincerely doubt it. Oh wait, those same people also think the USA is a cesspool human rights abuses, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc so I guess it’s a wash.
You should maybe:
1) Practice what you preach
2) Get a better grasp of American history -- and current events for that matter.
Are you friggin’ seriously suggesting that your grasp of current events is the beacon to which we should all aspire? That your knowledge of geopolitics is not completely clouded and biased by media propaganda? You, sir, should stick to talking about wallet cases, because you quite obviously are unable, or unwilling to approach this subject with reason or logic. As the old saying goes, you can’t see the forest through the trees.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
Well, since those who squawk about human rights and the environment don’t seem wiling to pay higher prices for goods made in countries they approve of, I don’t think their opinions matter much. Do those people check the labels for point of manufacture when buying clothing? Do they buy USA made clothing online and pay 25% more for them? I sincerely doubt it. Oh wait, those same people also think the USA is a cesspool human rights abuses, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc so I guess it’s a wash.
You should maybe:
1) Practice what you preach
2) Get a better grasp of American history -- and current events for that matter.
Are you friggin’ seriously suggesting that your grasp of current events is the beacon to which we should all aspire? That your knowledge of geopolitics is not completely clouded and biased by media propaganda? You, sir, should stick to talking about wallet cases, because you quite obviously are unable, or unwilling to approach this subject with reason or logic. As the old saying goes, you can’t see the forest through the trees.
This is a meaningful rebuttal?
Probably not. But I see this guy just talk completely out of his ass over and over and over. Pushing his biased, one-sided views as fact and passively belittling those who disagree. Today was just the breaking point. Sorry, not sorry.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself. And, as business people, Apple should be concerned with product quality and cost rather than politics.
So if this were the 1940's and Apple was having their products built using Nazi concentration camp labor, you'd be cool with that?
Did you have a point to make?
Nazi concentration camps and genocide are not and never have been a political issue.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.
I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
Chinese people can't so much text a friend their slight unhappiness about the government; they'll be quickly visited by a government official, at the minimum. I work with many chinese and this is true.
You forgot about puttings lists together of members of the losing party so they can potentially be jailed, likely without trial.
Did you have a point to make?
Here black people can't even walk to the grocery store without fear of being murdered by a policeman or vigilante -- who of course will go unpunished for the murder.
Or, for 4 years all Americans have had to worry about a justice department charged with protecting a president's friends and punishing his enemies.
It's easy to point fingers -- especially one with a political motive. Which is why I suggested Apple should stick to product quality and cost and stay out of the international political arena.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
Well, since those who squawk about human rights and the environment don’t seem wiling to pay higher prices for goods made in countries they approve of, I don’t think their opinions matter much. Do those people check the labels for point of manufacture when buying clothing? Do they buy USA made clothing online and pay 25% more for them? I sincerely doubt it. Oh wait, those same people also think the USA is a cesspool human rights abuses, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc so I guess it’s a wash.
You should maybe:
1) Practice what you preach
2) Get a better grasp of American history -- and current events for that matter.
Are you friggin’ seriously suggesting that your grasp of current events is the beacon to which we should all aspire? That your knowledge of geopolitics is not completely clouded and biased by media propaganda? You, sir, should stick to talking about wallet cases, because you quite obviously are unable, or unwilling to approach this subject with reason or logic. As the old saying goes, you can’t see the forest through the trees.
I confess that my knowledge of geopolitics is clouded by reality. My bad.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.
I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
Chinese people can't so much text a friend their slight unhappiness about the government; they'll be quickly visited by a government official, at the minimum. I work with many chinese and this is true.
You forgot about puttings lists together of members of the losing party so they can potentially be jailed, likely without trial.
Did you have a point to make?
Here black people can't even walk to the grocery store without fear of being murdered by a policeman or vigilante -- who of course will go unpunished for the murder.
Or, for 4 years all Americans have had to worry about a justice department charged with protecting a president's friends and punishing his enemies.
It's easy to point fingers -- especially one with a political motive. Which is why I suggested Apple should stick to product quality and cost and stay out of the international political arena.
Hyperbole much? I saw a black man in the grocery store just yesterday. He was neither murdered nor showed any fear of being imminently murdered.
Ever hear of the First Step Act? Criminal justice reform passed by Trump and praised by the left.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself. And, as business people, Apple should be concerned with product quality and cost rather than politics.
So if this were the 1940's and Apple was having their products built using Nazi concentration camp labor, you'd be cool with that?
Did you have a point to make?
Nazi concentration camps and genocide are not and never have been a political issue.
You literally said "I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself." Germany chose Hitler and Nazism, which means you'd be fine with Apple making their products in Nazi Germany using concentration camp labor as long as the quality was good. Dear lord.
Interesting rumor. If accurate, it indicates Apple is not confident there will be a new President in the US. The “new guy” is famously beholden to China and wants to completely reverse current trade practices.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.
I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
Chinese people can't so much text a friend their slight unhappiness about the government; they'll be quickly visited by a government official, at the minimum. I work with many chinese and this is true.
You forgot about puttings lists together of members of the losing party so they can potentially be jailed, likely without trial.
Did you have a point to make?
Here black people can't even walk to the grocery store without fear of being murdered by a policeman or vigilante -- who of course will go unpunished for the murder.
Or, for 4 years all Americans have had to worry about a justice department charged with protecting a president's friends and punishing his enemies.
It's easy to point fingers -- especially one with a political motive. Which is why I suggested Apple should stick to product quality and cost and stay out of the international political arena.
Hyperbole much? I saw a black man in the grocery store just yesterday. He was neither murdered nor showed any fear of being imminently murdered.
Ever hear of the First Step Act? Criminal justice reform passed by Trump and praised by the left.
You like to argue for the sake of arguing.
The First Step Act was limited with to Parolee recidivism.
It has nothing to do with the current issues with an overzealous and racist element of local police forces.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
Well, since those who squawk about human rights and the environment don’t seem wiling to pay higher prices for goods made in countries they approve of, I don’t think their opinions matter much. Do those people check the labels for point of manufacture when buying clothing? Do they buy USA made clothing online and pay 25% more for them? I sincerely doubt it. Oh wait, those same people also think the USA is a cesspool human rights abuses, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc so I guess it’s a wash.
You should maybe:
1) Practice what you preach
2) Get a better grasp of American history -- and current events for that matter.
Are you friggin’ seriously suggesting that your grasp of current events is the beacon to which we should all aspire? That your knowledge of geopolitics is not completely clouded and biased by media propaganda? You, sir, should stick to talking about wallet cases, because you quite obviously are unable, or unwilling to approach this subject with reason or logic. As the old saying goes, you can’t see the forest through the trees.
This is a meaningful rebuttal?
Probably not. But I see this guy just talk completely out of his ass over and over and over. Pushing his biased, one-sided views as fact and passively belittling those who disagree. Today was just the breaking point. Sorry, not sorry.
Tell me who on this forum is not pushing his views as fact or truth?
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
Well, since those who squawk about human rights and the environment don’t seem wiling to pay higher prices for goods made in countries they approve of, I don’t think their opinions matter much. Do those people check the labels for point of manufacture when buying clothing? Do they buy USA made clothing online and pay 25% more for them? I sincerely doubt it. Oh wait, those same people also think the USA is a cesspool human rights abuses, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc so I guess it’s a wash.
You should maybe:
1) Practice what you preach
2) Get a better grasp of American history -- and current events for that matter.
Are you friggin’ seriously suggesting that your grasp of current events is the beacon to which we should all aspire? That your knowledge of geopolitics is not completely clouded and biased by media propaganda? You, sir, should stick to talking about wallet cases, because you quite obviously are unable, or unwilling to approach this subject with reason or logic. As the old saying goes, you can’t see the forest through the trees.
I confess that my knowledge of geopolitics is clouded by reality. My bad.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.
I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
Chinese people can't so much text a friend their slight unhappiness about the government; they'll be quickly visited by a government official, at the minimum. I work with many chinese and this is true.
You forgot about puttings lists together of members of the losing party so they can potentially be jailed, likely without trial.
Did you have a point to make?
Here black people can't even walk to the grocery store without fear of being murdered by a policeman or vigilante -- who of course will go unpunished for the murder.
Or, for 4 years all Americans have had to worry about a justice department charged with protecting a president's friends and punishing his enemies.
It's easy to point fingers -- especially one with a political motive. Which is why I suggested Apple should stick to product quality and cost and stay out of the international political arena.
Hyperbole much? I saw a black man in the grocery store just yesterday. He was neither murdered nor showed any fear of being imminently murdered.
Ever hear of the First Step Act? Criminal justice reform passed by Trump and praised by the left.
You like to argue for the sake of arguing.
The First Step Act was limited with to Parolee recidivism.
It has nothing to do with the current issues with an overzealous and racist element of local police forces.
It's, as its name implies, a first step. What you mentioned is already illegal and affects a tiny percentage of law enforcement. Not that I condone what's happened in many of the cases, but let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.
I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.
Why do you left out Saudi Arabia and other Arabian nations?
Because the countries I listed are the only ones that the US Congress has passed sanctions on. But I would love to have added them. However I wouldn't add all Arab nations because some Arab nations are democracies.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I have to credit AppleInsider for allowing us to discuss this. Often they ban political discussions, but in my opinion this isn't really a political discussion. It's about whether Apple should be doing businesses with dictatorships. Some people in this thread have tried to turn it political, but for the most part the discussion has focussed on Apple's responsibilities. I'm glad and grateful that AppleInsider has allowed this discussion.
I would like to point out that even though I started this discussion, I remain a vociferous supporter of Apple in general. And I know that Apple's competitors deal with the same problem.
Indeed, I do look at the labels on everything I buy, including T-shirts. And I do pay more for products made in free countries, when there is a choice. I would buy a product from India before I would buy a product from China because human freedoms are more important to me that the environment. (India has more freedoms but is worse on the environment.)
I wish Apple would focus its social responsibilities on human rights and not on the environment and other less important matters. They probably avoid the topic of human rights because it would hurt their bottom line, a lot. And I'm pleasantly surprised that some people on this forum actually seem to agree with me. I thought I would be all alone on human rights here.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
• The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you. • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you. • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you. • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China. • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree. • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself.
I agree with that statement, but the problem is that people don't get to choose their own governments in dictatorships. So I infer you are against sanctions against North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria.
The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S. The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.
Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
Chinese people can't so much text a friend their slight unhappiness about the government; they'll be quickly visited by a government official, at the minimum. I work with many chinese and this is true.
You forgot about puttings lists together of members of the losing party so they can potentially be jailed, likely without trial.
Did you have a point to make?
Here black people can't even walk to the grocery store without fear of being murdered by a policeman or vigilante -- who of course will go unpunished for the murder.
Or, for 4 years all Americans have had to worry about a justice department charged with protecting a president's friends and punishing his enemies.
It's easy to point fingers -- especially one with a political motive. Which is why I suggested Apple should stick to product quality and cost and stay out of the international political arena.
Hyperbole much?
Just using your level of hyperbole to point out it can be used to prove whatever political point you might want to make.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
Well, since those who squawk about human rights and the environment don’t seem wiling to pay higher prices for goods made in countries they approve of, I don’t think their opinions matter much. Do those people check the labels for point of manufacture when buying clothing? Do they buy USA made clothing online and pay 25% more for them? I sincerely doubt it. Oh wait, those same people also think the USA is a cesspool human rights abuses, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc so I guess it’s a wash.
You should maybe:
1) Practice what you preach
2) Get a better grasp of American history -- and current events for that matter.
Are you friggin’ seriously suggesting that your grasp of current events is the beacon to which we should all aspire? That your knowledge of geopolitics is not completely clouded and biased by media propaganda? You, sir, should stick to talking about wallet cases, because you quite obviously are unable, or unwilling to approach this subject with reason or logic. As the old saying goes, you can’t see the forest through the trees.
I confess that my knowledge of geopolitics is clouded by reality. My bad.
I see Apple is moving up, from doing business with a country that gets 2.26 (out of 10) on the democracy index (China) to a country that gets 3.06 (Viet Nam). I would much rather see Apple do its business in a higher scoring country, perhaps India (6.90) or Brazil (6.86.) I guess Apple's core values don't include freedom or democracy or human rights. Well, at least they aren't doing business with North Korea (1.08), or Saudi Arabia (1.93). I guess Apple wouldn't do business with Saudi Arabia because Apple has strong LGBTQ values. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index <--
I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself. And, as business people, Apple should be concerned with product quality and cost rather than politics.
So if this were the 1940's and Apple was having their products built using Nazi concentration camp labor, you'd be cool with that?
Did you have a point to make?
Nazi concentration camps and genocide are not and never have been a political issue.
You literally said "I couldn't care less what form of government a country chooses for itself." Germany chose Hitler and Nazism, which means you'd be fine with Apple making their products in Nazi Germany using concentration camp labor as long as the quality was good. Dear lord.
Hitler used (or misused) democracy to gain power... So you are now condemning democracy? Maybe you should move to China?
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I confess that my knowledge of geopolitics is clouded by reality. My bad.
Ever hear of the First Step Act? Criminal justice reform passed by Trump and praised by the left.
You like to argue for the sake of arguing.
It’s done aside from the whining.
It has nothing to do with the current issues with an overzealous and racist element of local police forces.
Are you not capable of answering simple, sincere, non-hostile questions? Do you have to turn sincere questions into hostile debates?
I would like to point out that even though I started this discussion, I remain a vociferous supporter of Apple in general. And I know that Apple's competitors deal with the same problem.
Indeed, I do look at the labels on everything I buy, including T-shirts. And I do pay more for products made in free countries, when there is a choice. I would buy a product from India before I would buy a product from China because human freedoms are more important to me that the environment. (India has more freedoms but is worse on the environment.)
I wish Apple would focus its social responsibilities on human rights and not on the environment and other less important matters. They probably avoid the topic of human rights because it would hurt their bottom line, a lot. And I'm pleasantly surprised that some people on this forum actually seem to agree with me. I thought I would be all alone on human rights here.
• The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you.
• The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you.
• The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China.
• India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree.
• As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.
The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.
You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...
Is that worse than your active belittlement?
Hitler used (or misused) democracy to gain power... So you are now condemning democracy? Maybe you should move to China?