danvm

Beats said:

Microsoft LOST in making knockoff iPhones. Had Microsoft won the iKnockoff market their tune would be different.

What a shi* company after all the respect Apple is giving them on iPhone/iPad. Time for Apple to take office Apps seriously and kill Microsoft.

Microsoft teaming up against Apple playing dirty.

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

danvm said:

tmay said:

danvm said:

tmay said:

danvm said:

williamlondon said:

Hubro said:

danvm said:

Agree, the M1 changed everything.  That's the reason I said that a X1 Nano (or X1 Carbon) with a M1 would be my perfect computer.  An excellent mobile processor with the best design and construction in a notebook.

Just for clarification, the X1 Nano (as well as the X1 Carbon and the P1) are carbon fiber in the top and magnesium alloy in the bottom.  Maybe that's the reason a car can run over it, and still working.  Nice, don't you think?

...It's getting really boring, and for my part, it stops here.

Unfortunately for the resident Wintel corporate shill, it never stops, he never stops and AI just loves the conflicts he produces in his ridiculous posts as people respond and that creates activity (which in turn results in more $$), as if *any* of us come to this forum to have someone sell us on another company's products. It's just pathetic and people like that ruin what *could* otherwise be a fun discussion forum. I just wish people would stop replying to him (and his brethren ilk) so I wouldn't have to suffer his insufferable lunacy in replies. Sigh.

Just to clarify, most of my devices in my household are from Apple.  So the "Wintel corporate shill" don't apply to me, but neither I'm an "Apple shill", since I have zero emotional attachment to any of my Apple devices.  And neither I have devices from Lenovo.  But in my line of work I have to work with all kind of devices and brands, from notebooks to professional workstations.

If you read my posts you'll see why, IMO, ThinkPads are better designed compared to Apple notebooks.  Does it means that Apple devices are bad?  But neither are perfect, and if you want a recent example, just look at the butterfly keyboards.  Based in my experience, some Apple notebooks are better than ThinkPad and viceversa.  But in construction, and design, I give the advantage to ThinkPads.  The iMac is the best All-In-One in the market, while the Mini have some competition from the HP Z1 and the ThinkStation Tiny.  The iPad is the best tablet, until you add a keyboard + trackpad, where the Surface Pro does a better job.  And the HP Z-workstations and Lenovo ThinkStations maybe betterthan the Mac Pro, depending in the usage.

Does this sound to you pathetic and from a Wintel corporate shill?  Hope not.  Again, most of my posts are based in what I experienced in the field.  When you are outside the Apple bubble you can see what's good and bad with Apple and with other devices.  And I have zero issues praising or criticizing any of them.  But if you think that every Apple device is absolutely better than other vendors, then you may need to expand the list of devices you use, and it may surprise you what you may find.  

There's a PC market, and then there's a Mac market, and just like the smartphone where it's iPhone vs everyone else, Apple is growing its customer base, and interestingly, its margins.

What does that tell you about Apple, and specifically Apple product design, and the customer? You seem to fail to see the big picture, hence why your postings come across as unconvincing.

What's the big picture?

That Apple is disrupting the PC business.

https://mondaynote.com/apple-silicon-m1-disruption-af11f639103a

Yes, Apple design are very good, but like I posted before, they are not perfect, neither the only one doing good designs.  There are cases where other vendors are better than Apple.  Look at the example I gave of the X1 Nano.  An easy to service 2lb notebook, with spill resistant keyboard and test for military specifications.  Are we going to ignore that because is not from Apple?  

And yes, the M1 is big.  But my comments were not related to M1 / Intel / AMD, so I don't understand why bring that up.  And even though M1 is an excellent chip, it doesn't makes Apple devices perfect.  Do you want to the best integration with the MS enterprise / business ecosystem, which is the most popular by far?  You need a Windows PC.  Do you need Nvidia GPU's for CUDA applications?  You need a PC.  Do you want the best gaming experience in the market?  You need a PC.  There are just three examples of many others.  And, again, that doesn't means that Apple are bad devices, but neither are perfect, even with the M1 chip.  Like I said before, when you see the big picture, you'll find other vendors are doing excellent devices too. 

Yeah, if you need PC, then buy a PC, but don't pretend that the Mac buying public isn't aware of the disruptive benefits of Apple Silicon, so your goalposts that are limited to the build of very specific PC's, aren't very relevant.

I have a PC, a Lenovo D20 in fact, running Windows 7 for my MCAD software, so I understand about the needs of PC users. But I can also run Autodesk Fusion 360 on an M series Mac, in Rosetta, quite fine and get the job done, so I'm really at a place where I'm ready to leave the PC entirely.

Again, my original comments were not about the M1.  So I still don't know why your bring them to the discussion.  Even Gruber had to comment about the X1 Nano,

Daring Fireball: ThinkPad X1 Nano: Lenovo's 2-Pound Laptop

He even posted "It just can’t stand for long that Apple is so far behind the PC state-of-the-art in lightweight laptops."  Again, Apple have good designs, but they are not perfect.

That's what he does when he loses the debate:   He just moves on to the next subject to prove that he won it.

No, I stated explicitly that Gruber may like the lightweight of the X1 Nano, but I doubt he would buy it.

I also posted that Samsung has a similarly lightweight notebook, also powered by an 11th generation Intel processor, and I can't imagine that it compares well against the Mac Book Air in performance either.

Danvm has been attempting to make the case that the X1 is a good design, but wants us to ignore the comparative performance of the X1 vs the Mac Book Air.

Of course, I won't do that, because it is not a plausible tradeoff of most Mac users.

tmay said:

danvm said:

tmay said:

danvm said:

williamlondon said:

Hubro said:

danvm said:

Agree, the M1 changed everything.  That's the reason I said that a X1 Nano (or X1 Carbon) with a M1 would be my perfect computer.  An excellent mobile processor with the best design and construction in a notebook.

Just for clarification, the X1 Nano (as well as the X1 Carbon and the P1) are carbon fiber in the top and magnesium alloy in the bottom.  Maybe that's the reason a car can run over it, and still working.  Nice, don't you think?

...It's getting really boring, and for my part, it stops here.

Unfortunately for the resident Wintel corporate shill, it never stops, he never stops and AI just loves the conflicts he produces in his ridiculous posts as people respond and that creates activity (which in turn results in more $$), as if *any* of us come to this forum to have someone sell us on another company's products. It's just pathetic and people like that ruin what *could* otherwise be a fun discussion forum. I just wish people would stop replying to him (and his brethren ilk) so I wouldn't have to suffer his insufferable lunacy in replies. Sigh.

Just to clarify, most of my devices in my household are from Apple.  So the "Wintel corporate shill" don't apply to me, but neither I'm an "Apple shill", since I have zero emotional attachment to any of my Apple devices.  And neither I have devices from Lenovo.  But in my line of work I have to work with all kind of devices and brands, from notebooks to professional workstations.

If you read my posts you'll see why, IMO, ThinkPads are better designed compared to Apple notebooks.  Does it means that Apple devices are bad?  But neither are perfect, and if you want a recent example, just look at the butterfly keyboards.  Based in my experience, some Apple notebooks are better than ThinkPad and viceversa.  But in construction, and design, I give the advantage to ThinkPads.  The iMac is the best All-In-One in the market, while the Mini have some competition from the HP Z1 and the ThinkStation Tiny.  The iPad is the best tablet, until you add a keyboard + trackpad, where the Surface Pro does a better job.  And the HP Z-workstations and Lenovo ThinkStations maybe betterthan the Mac Pro, depending in the usage.

Does this sound to you pathetic and from a Wintel corporate shill?  Hope not.  Again, most of my posts are based in what I experienced in the field.  When you are outside the Apple bubble you can see what's good and bad with Apple and with other devices.  And I have zero issues praising or criticizing any of them.  But if you think that every Apple device is absolutely better than other vendors, then you may need to expand the list of devices you use, and it may surprise you what you may find.  

There's a PC market, and then there's a Mac market, and just like the smartphone where it's iPhone vs everyone else, Apple is growing its customer base, and interestingly, its margins.

What does that tell you about Apple, and specifically Apple product design, and the customer? You seem to fail to see the big picture, hence why your postings come across as unconvincing.

What's the big picture?

That Apple is disrupting the PC business.

https://mondaynote.com/apple-silicon-m1-disruption-af11f639103a

Yes, Apple design are very good, but like I posted before, they are not perfect, neither the only one doing good designs.  There are cases where other vendors are better than Apple.  Look at the example I gave of the X1 Nano.  An easy to service 2lb notebook, with spill resistant keyboard and test for military specifications.  Are we going to ignore that because is not from Apple?  

And yes, the M1 is big.  But my comments were not related to M1 / Intel / AMD, so I don't understand why bring that up.  And even though M1 is an excellent chip, it doesn't makes Apple devices perfect.  Do you want to the best integration with the MS enterprise / business ecosystem, which is the most popular by far?  You need a Windows PC.  Do you need Nvidia GPU's for CUDA applications?  You need a PC.  Do you want the best gaming experience in the market?  You need a PC.  There are just three examples of many others.  And, again, that doesn't means that Apple are bad devices, but neither are perfect, even with the M1 chip.  Like I said before, when you see the big picture, you'll find other vendors are doing excellent devices too. 

Yeah, if you need PC, then buy a PC, but don't pretend that the Mac buying public isn't aware of the disruptive benefits of Apple Silicon, so your goalposts that are limited to the build of very specific PC's, aren't very relevant.

I have a PC, a Lenovo D20 in fact, running Windows 7 for my MCAD software, so I understand about the needs of PC users. But I can also run Autodesk Fusion 360 on an M series Mac, in Rosetta, quite fine and get the job done, so I'm really at a place where I'm ready to leave the PC entirely.

williamlondon said:

GeorgeBMac said:

williamlondon said:

Hubro said:

danvm said:

Agree, the M1 changed everything.  That's the reason I said that a X1 Nano (or X1 Carbon) with a M1 would be my perfect computer.  An excellent mobile processor with the best design and construction in a notebook.

Just for clarification, the X1 Nano (as well as the X1 Carbon and the P1) are carbon fiber in the top and magnesium alloy in the bottom.  Maybe that's the reason a car can run over it, and still working.  Nice, don't you think?

...It's getting really boring, and for my part, it stops here.

Unfortunately for the resident Wintel corporate shill, it never stops, he never stops and AI just loves the conflicts he produces in his ridiculous posts as people respond and that creates activity (which in turn results in more $$), as if *any* of us come to this forum to have someone sell us on another company's products. It's just pathetic and people like that ruin what *could* otherwise be a fun discussion forum. I just wish people would stop replying to him (and his brethren ilk) so I wouldn't have to suffer his insufferable lunacy in replies. Sigh.

I didn't realize the site was reserved for Apple Apologists....

But Wintel shill? 

No, just disproving false claims about using cheap glue and solder are not necessary to make a laptop thin, light or reliable.

And you jumped straight to your thinking I was referring to *you* as the Wintel shill, not true at all. Thought it was obvious who the Wintel/Micro$haft shill was on this forum, just as obvious as who is the resident Android shill and who is the resident Google shill (none of which are you).

Quite often you're one of my favourites in your comments, this thread not withstanding. Not at all interested in this current argument (either side), just wish it would end.

tmay said:

danvm said:

williamlondon said:

Hubro said:

danvm said:

Agree, the M1 changed everything.  That's the reason I said that a X1 Nano (or X1 Carbon) with a M1 would be my perfect computer.  An excellent mobile processor with the best design and construction in a notebook.

Just for clarification, the X1 Nano (as well as the X1 Carbon and the P1) are carbon fiber in the top and magnesium alloy in the bottom.  Maybe that's the reason a car can run over it, and still working.  Nice, don't you think?

...It's getting really boring, and for my part, it stops here.

Unfortunately for the resident Wintel corporate shill, it never stops, he never stops and AI just loves the conflicts he produces in his ridiculous posts as people respond and that creates activity (which in turn results in more $$), as if *any* of us come to this forum to have someone sell us on another company's products. It's just pathetic and people like that ruin what *could* otherwise be a fun discussion forum. I just wish people would stop replying to him (and his brethren ilk) so I wouldn't have to suffer his insufferable lunacy in replies. Sigh.

Just to clarify, most of my devices in my household are from Apple.  So the "Wintel corporate shill" don't apply to me, but neither I'm an "Apple shill", since I have zero emotional attachment to any of my Apple devices.  And neither I have devices from Lenovo.  But in my line of work I have to work with all kind of devices and brands, from notebooks to professional workstations.

If you read my posts you'll see why, IMO, ThinkPads are better designed compared to Apple notebooks.  Does it means that Apple devices are bad?  But neither are perfect, and if you want a recent example, just look at the butterfly keyboards.  Based in my experience, some Apple notebooks are better than ThinkPad and viceversa.  But in construction, and design, I give the advantage to ThinkPads.  The iMac is the best All-In-One in the market, while the Mini have some competition from the HP Z1 and the ThinkStation Tiny.  The iPad is the best tablet, until you add a keyboard + trackpad, where the Surface Pro does a better job.  And the HP Z-workstations and Lenovo ThinkStations maybe betterthan the Mac Pro, depending in the usage.

Does this sound to you pathetic and from a Wintel corporate shill?  Hope not.  Again, most of my posts are based in what I experienced in the field.  When you are outside the Apple bubble you can see what's good and bad with Apple and with other devices.  And I have zero issues praising or criticizing any of them.  But if you think that every Apple device is absolutely better than other vendors, then you may need to expand the list of devices you use, and it may surprise you what you may find.  

There's a PC market, and then there's a Mac market, and just like the smartphone where it's iPhone vs everyone else, Apple is growing its customer base, and interestingly, its margins.

What does that tell you about Apple, and specifically Apple product design, and the customer? You seem to fail to see the big picture, hence why your postings come across as unconvincing.

What's the big picture?

That Apple is disrupting the PC business.

https://mondaynote.com/apple-silicon-m1-disruption-af11f639103a