danvm

Quite often it's IT departments whose staff really only know Windows - they don't want to lose their jobs.


The Walmart/IBM reports of per-unit IT cost savings for Macs reinforce that belief.

True. But do they have no desire to learn something new? A new platform? Not even to give anything other than Windows a chance. So closed minded. 

I don't think that all, or event most, IT guys are as you describe.  What it's clear is that MS dominate the enterprise, and their ecosystem and management tools are miles ahead of what Apple, or any other company offers.  It's clear that macOS have some benefits for some customers as IBM (I haven't seen about Walmart).  But not every company have IBM needs, and maybe that's the reason you don't see macOS, macOS Server, FileMaker or the Apple suites of apps in most business / enterprises.  

Jamf and MS are doing their best with their Apple management tools, specially when you consider that Apple haven't done anything with theirs.  But Windows still better integrating in the MS ecosystem that most business / enterprises use.  I think Apple is the reason macOS is behind in business and enterprises, and not necessarily the IT guys.  

SpamSandwich said:

Here’s the thing:

Price isn’t the point. The Surface is a pile of hot garbage compared to the generally lean and efficient iPad.

I don't think that the Surface is as bad as you said compared to an iPad.  I have a Surface Pro 4 that completely replaced my iPad, notebook and desktop (since I have the Surface Dock).  I wouldn't be able to do that with an iPad.  And during these years, I have seen how the iPad have been copying many elements I had many years ago in my SP4, like the Pen/Pencil, side-by-side apps in tablet mode, Windows Hello / FaceID and more recently the keyboard with trackpad.  

I think that the iPad is the best tablet in the market.  But the Surface does many things better than the iPad, specially when you add the keyboard / trackpad.  For example, if I work with a complex document or spreadsheet, the Surface is a better device.  Same as multitasking, where the iPad is very limited compared to Windows.  

I would agree that the iPad is very efficient in many tasks, but I can said the same of the Surface in many tasks too.  IMO, it all depends of what you need, the apps / applications and your workflow.  I consider both, the iPad and the Surface Pro, excellent devices.

22july2013 said:

cloudguy said:

What makes you think that Microsoft is battling Apple? 

Here's my answer, after 5 minutes of research:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/11/microsoft-says-loosened-app-store-gaming-rules-still-make-for-a-bad-experience <--
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/07/microsoft-fires-back-at-apple-accusing-it-of-treating-gaming-apps-differently <--
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-president-brad-smith-its-time-for-apples-app-store-model-to-be-probed/ <--

Please notice that Microsoft DOES object to the 30% fee, contrary to your claims, as shown in my third link. I stopped reading your post after realizing that your #1 claim was wrong. But I always appreciate when people try to provide arguments against me. I'm right only 80% of the time.

In an interview with CNBC, Phil Spencer said "that it wasn't a financial issue related to Apple's 30% of in-app purchases. Instead, the Xbox chief said it was because Game Pass — and cloud gaming services as a whole — aren't allowed on Apple's mobile devices in their current form.”

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/21/microsoft-remains-committed-to-bringing-xbox-game-pass-to-iphone

MS, as many other developers, may not agree with the Apple fee, but they still respect the rules and keep publishing their apps in the App Store .  I agree with @cloudguy , I'm not seeing MS battling Apple as you said, specially when compared to Epic and other developers.  

Beats said:

I wish people would jump onto Apples office services instead. MS' subscription crap is terrible. Hope this news is true as I might need excel for work (unfortunately).

ITGUYINSD said:

$100/yr for 6 users gets you fully updated version of all the Office apps plus 1TB of OneDrive cloud storage PER USER.  To get the same iCloud storage would cost as much as this entire Office Suite!

So, $17/user per year, how many years until you've spent as much as a perpetual SINGLE USER license?  10 or 15 years?  

But people say Office365 isn't a good deal.  If you have multiple computers, family members, friends, etc., can share the cost, it definitely makes sense to spend $17/yr for the apps plus 1TB cloud storage.  

Office365 is the deal of the century compared to Adobe's subscriptions and pricing.

People would jump in Apple office services if they were better than what MS offers, specially for business where MS ecosystem is far ahead from what Apple have.  

What if you're a single user? That's where the problem begins. What if you only need excel for a month and a half? That's $99/year per user and I don't want to use Microsofts cloud service. I don't trust them.

Apple's programs are free. Much better deal.

There is plan for single users, $70 per year.  And even you can subscribe with monthly plans, that would be cheap for the month and a half example you gave.  IMO, not that bad either, considering it includes 1TB of OneDrive storage.

22july2013 said:

danvm said:

The answer you gave is out of context.  You mentioned that you don't want two separate systems for games, but that's what we see with movie / TV and music services, and it doesn't breaks any of the iOS experience, neither creates any complexity.  From the iOS POV, why would it be different with xCloud, considering xCloud in iOS worked very similar to Netflix and Spotify?

I suppose Input is not relevant, considering there is no mention of this as a criteria in the App Store Guidelines.  

Input is not relevant? You obviously haven't read the requirements. On section begins with "Data collected..." I think we've hit an impasse because your answers are completely wrong, and I've lost interest in trying to point things out to you like the App Store Guidelines. And the fact that movies and music are on separate parts of the OS doesn't prove anything. Sorry, even my patience has now run out. At least I got you to agree that Apple can set up whatever rules it wants, and that was progress, so my time wasn't wasted. I'm closing my window now so I won't see further replies.

I miss understood you point about "Input".  I thought about input devices to play games or interact with an app.  If you are talking about data collection, I suppose is a genuine point.  But I haven't seen any evidence that it would have been an issue with xCloud.  Have you?

 And the fact that movies and music are on separate parts of the OS doesn't prove anything. Sorry, even my patience has now run out. At least I got you to agree that Apple can set up whatever rules it wants, and that was progress, so my time wasn't wasted. I'm closing my window now so I won't see further replies.

It proves that separate apps for TV / movies and music apps won't break the iOS experience neither makes it more complicated, as you said xCloud do.  BTW, your comments about xCloud breaking the iOS experience, complicating things or collecting data from users are based in your own experience using the app while it was in TestFlight?