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This is hilarious and sad for a car company that once was on the top of my admiration list. At my last car purchase 3 years ago, it was exactly this arrogance and demand for extra money for CarPlay that made me pick up a Merc instead. Merc provided CarPlay/GooglePlay support as a part of its default factory package and without charge. Sorry, BMW can continue to lose sales with it as I approach my next car update cycle.

cat52 said:

Yeah, I agree...

Build more factories in Taiwan, Vietnam, or really anywhere other than China.

China's record on the environment as well as human rights is just absolutely dreadful.


If I were a US exec, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing my new factory in Shanghai is helping out the regime in Beijing.

Guess what happened when China rejected taking all the garbage of the US and other developed countries? Every one of them suffered with piles and piles of unmanageable garbage! Stop accusing China on the environment when our garbage and contaminations from the goods we use everyday are all there in China. Shameful to make such accusations!

An example of you being a US exec as in the form of Trump is in office. Good luck to America!

[email protected] said:

China took decades to make China a manufacturing powerhouse.
They could do it because it is a totalitarian state.

Manufacturing stuff in the U.S. is not the way to beat China.

China developed into a manufacturing powerhouse because of leadership vision and hard work, nothing to do with being totalitarian. Further, if totalitarian can bring on a 40 fold increase in the national GDP, alleviate 500M people out of poverty, change the national transport infrastructure with 25,000km of high speed rail, bringing national health care to all the citizens amongst others, then I'm all for that form of totalitarianism! LOL

Being stuck in a multi-decades old Cold War mentality does not help.

sirozha said:

applesauce007 said:

Trump buys Chinese Steel for construction
Surely he can understand why most companies manufacture in China.

If Trump was smart, he would figure out a way to win manufacturing back to the US not force them back with a trade war.
I predict that Tesla will move its US manufacturing to China.

You predict wrong. Shipping cars from 
China is a lot more expensive than shipping iPhones. You can ship 10,000 iPhones ($10 million worth) in the same container you can ship one car.   

iPhones get shipped by air and cars are shipped by huge transport ships. Completely different modes of transport and cost base. Tariffs don't bring jobs back to the US but a poke that leads to reshuffling of the supply chain. The private sector has a way of finding the next most efficient option and it ain't the US.

With a national leader that pampers to the ignorant and ignores economic realities, it's not China overtaking but the US crashing itself!

If Apple's existing MacPro plant is economically sensible then why would Apple even think about taking the next MacPro off-shore? Trump is just desperate for his electoral fortunes and willing to pawn the US corporations and the national economy to that end. He needs to show that he has brought jobs back at others' expense. It's all about PR.