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Yes, I'd say that particular shot is no accident. Pretty funny.

Mike Wuerthele said:

sflagel said:

I wonder, how does the author feel about “exploiting” the dangerous real terror of submarine warfare for safe entertainment? Does he think making the terror so close to reality without any of the danger is ultimately a good or a bad thing, does it cheapen or enhance the respect Cold War vets deserve? 

There's no exploitation here, any more than The Hunt for Red October was.

I am 100% fine with people knowing the experience and fate of fleet boat sailors without having to die or get torpedoed in the process.

Or Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers, etc. Or any other number of films. William T. Sherman said it. No one should have to experience it. But that's not the world we live in.

Apple is STILL not targeting the masses, so the price and consumer blather isn't all that relevant. People just don't get that. $2K is a decent price for those genuinely interested and not afraid of the bleeding edge. That's NOT the masses. I'd be fine with losing the Eyesight and avatar crap. I get that Apple wants wearers not to scare those around them and 'blend in', the experience being as normal as a teen with their head buried in a phone.

I don't care about that. I do care about what other features or level of performance Apple might sacrifice to lower the price. Don't sink the flagship just to get the price lower. Don't dial back performance to race to the bottom. Masses be hanged. The "masses" won't want anything like this device. They'll want something that looks like Oakleys and costs $100. It will be years before there are "most consumers" for this kind of device, not the other way round. I'm solely a consumer and the Vision Pro has a lot of appeal to me. I'm the only consumer who wants one? A load of crap.

"Apple can't afford to make another mistake..." What a load of crap. Along with the rest of that. Spatial computing isn't for the masses but there is a niche market and these will be a niche product. Unlike the millions of Quest 3s that the masses and most consumers now possess. 

I want a cheaper Apple Vision Pro but not at the sacrifice of performance. Apple always plays a game with tiers and features, something similar to new car packages where you give of one thing you want for something else you want more. Make an Apple Vision, but keep the Pro for those who are willing to pay more for more. The masses can wait. They will because they aren't really interested, though they wouldn't mind that pair of $100 Oakley VRs. But then most of them aren't concerned with realistic pricing anyway.

As I don't have a Vision Pro it's unlikely I'll see this and will possibly have forgotten a couple of spoilers in the review. I stopped reading not wanting to discover any more so maybe that's all there were.

As a Viet Nam era boat sailor my tour was on a diesel boat but still a far cry from a fleet boat. While in New London/Groton I did get to tour an FBM and a fast attack, and even the latter was more "spacious" than my boat.

Had I been on a nuke I might never have had the opportunity to sit bottomed, working LiOH hoppers.

Even before enlisting I'd seen every submarine movie made prior. Das Boot came out after my enlistment or I might never have gone to boats. 

I'm glad Apple is doing more immersive videos and Submerged looks like a winner. I'm itchin' to pull the trigger on a Vision Pro.

9secondkox2 said:

Pema said:

Kicking a dead horse is what this is. 

pretty much. 

apple desperately tryin to revive interest and get developers to make it compelling. 

Not at all. There's no dead horse here. It may be years before this sells units compared to initial and subsequent iPod and iPhone sales. But it will do well enough soon enough.

Apple knew that going in or they'd have priced the Vision Pro cheaper than what is for some a heart stopping $3500. They knew this be have a slow-burn growth. I wish they'd started this dev program sooner just to shut up the trolls and wannabes. But they don't really matter. Trolls were thick when the iPod debuted but it was one of the best bleeding edge products I've ever owned. That and the iPhone.

I got the 5GB iPod on day 2. Trolls whined about how expensive it was but said nothing about the competition's offers of next to nothing of features, navigation and capacity in comparison for almost the same money. Trolls gonna be trolls. So what if it never sells like the two other Apple Slow Burns. It's got a solid future even if detractors don't have the vision to see it.