well some could argue that the new iMac is geared towards prosumers, so how about a g4 mini-tower deal with 900-dp1200 mhz, 200 or so mhz system bus, ddr-ram(and lots of it) big HDs gigawire, and a few expandible drives sell them for maybe 1600-2000 or so, and offer it as an expandible iMac type thing where the g5 will go into the new PRO towers, ranging at 1.2-1.6 ghz 400 mhz bus 400 mhz ddr-sdram, geforce3 giga wire, more expandability...etc. starting at 2000( a bit steep, but you have to keep it fair)
then combined with the crt iMac apple would have a pretty damn dynamic computer line-up
Exactly, these are QS G4s clocked up to their max, nothing more.
This is a ploy to buy some time to get the G5s ready. This is great news for the G5. If 1.2ghz Apollos had come out then that wouldv'e meant the G5s were further off.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I share KidRed's sentiments on this one. Rushing low-power chips (Apollos) into the PowerMacs would be a bad sign.
I think we are in for another let down.The stock holders also.The G-5 is probably not ready yet.
OS-X is not complete...yet...too many patches.
Give the new PowerMacs papers like the cabbage patch dolls.Give them also a new name because
they are a year behind in technology.You can blame Motorola all you want but it is Apples fault.Poor planning or exactly what they forecasted.Milking the slow cpus too much.I think
we will get Apollo G-4s and the G-5 to be expected
toward the end of the year.Since apple has not said a word.Revision A on the G-5 is probably
too expensive and not enough speed for the buck.
Plus, since Apple will not comment on its future
technology...it is not ready for a while..give it 6-8 months and then check back at apple.they will probably have a 10 Gig iPod...Wow...Buzzwords for apple in 2002 G-5 but no product.In the meantime
check out the G-36 at <a href="http://www.hkpro.com"; target="_blank">www.hkpro.com</a> .At Heckler & Koch...in a World of Compromise.. some dont.Now that is a company.Apple thinks with all the hype
and marketing of the G4 iMac they can make great sales...but they are in for one big surpirse.It will not sell like the original iMac.Too many cheap Pcs.Even the Celeron is way fast.Alot of Pros are going to leave the apple platform for good.Once again.Too many holes in apples long term
planning.Their hard-core base customers are going
to turn on them.Not enough programs,machines too expensive and even
Steve Jobs will not dare show off PhotoShop in O/S
-X with a G-4 800 Mhz ...Big Deal....Apple and Steve Jobs look
crapier by the minute.He needs to call Hair Club for men.He can afford it???
Shut up Renan. The G5's are coming very soon. The Mhz differences will not be huge at first from the G4s. However they will be able to climb much higher. They will start at 1Ghz and scale up to 1.6 by summer. By the end of summer you will see a 2Ghz chip. Also because they are 64bit chips you will notice a huge speed difference. A 2Ghz G5 will be much faster than a 3Ghz P4. Motorola is not done for they just made a mistake with the G4. The world has not ended yet. Now when Hillary becomes president then the world will end and you can complain all you want. Untill then all hail the G5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I couldn't take all this crap about there being no G5 in that other post. There is a G5. The 8450 Motoralo's low power version of it is already shipping. This may go into the PowerBook. Yes there will be an upgrade to the current G4 line very soon ( I don't know if its the 22 or not maybe the 21) But the G5 is right around the corner. You'll see. If I'm wrong then something has seriously gone wrong over at Motorola.
Ok your right the 8450 is not shipping. Sorry I got that info from another post. I should have checked it. In the future I will try to check before I post. I didn't know if it could be used in the PowerBook thats why I said "May be"
Whatever is announced next week or even next month I'll be happy with it, obvsiously. Why? I'm not exactly sure. I sit here running OS X on a Lomard w/o DVD support (despite the fact that I have a DVD hardware decoder) and I wouldn't dream of going PC. Why? Again, I don't know, maybe its the OS< maybe its the Mac community, maybe its because Apple just rocks. Anyway, when Apple ceases to do what it does best, which is do it right and do it cool, then I'll leave. My biggest concern is, who replaces Jobs in twenty years?
<strong>There WILL be a G5 PM announced next week, you can order it, but it won't ship till March.
Speed: 800DP, 1000DP, 1200DP
The current PM line will all be DP Apollo 800, 900, 1000 Mhz immediately.
Powerbook will ship 733 and 867.
In a few days you will see...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, they are going to announce new G4s to be available immediately yet tell everyone G5s are just an another six weeks away. Oh, and do all this via a press release too. Uh-huh. Right.
Oh, will everyone who believes this BS please put your needles and crackpipes away and check into a rehab clinic right away? Thank you.
Wakey wakey, the half the iBook range are on 66Mhz bus speeds, the iMacs are on 100Mhz bus speeds. I'm doubtful we'll see a bus-speed increase to 200Mhz. This is Apple we're talking about.
<strong>If it's the G5... WHY AREN"T THEY HYPING IT?</strong><hr></blockquote>
They didn't hype the G4 neither. Steve just said "Guys an' girls, tata, the G4. Move over, speed of light." And that's it. No Count on get a blowj... err... what was it exactly?
<strong>There WILL be a G5 PM announced next week, you can order it, but it won't ship till March.
Speed: 800DP, 1000DP, 1200DP
The current PM line will all be DP Apollo 800, 900, 1000 Mhz immediately.
Powerbook will ship 733 and 867.
In a few days you will see...</strong><hr></blockquote>
We will see what philbot will have to tell the day after. Looks like a new round of betting-on-number in the daily rumor-roulette here.
Oh, I forgot my stake. PM G4 800-933-1000DP on 01-22-02 and PB G4 733-866 and iBook 700/800 in Tokyo. Source: . <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Lets face it. None of us have a clue about what is to come from Apple. I hope there is a G5 and for Apples sake there better be. But Motorola...I just don't know. I am willing to give them one more chance to redeem themselves. I think it's obvious there will be some sort of announcement very soon because of the iMac. But what it'll be I have no idea whatsoever. It's just that why not make the announcement at MW if it was just going to be a small speed bump of 133Mhz. I think Logic and Hope say G5, and past experience says Apollo G4 with small speed bumb maybe faster Bus. But we will all know very soon. And if Phillbot is lying lets flame him till he's well done....
[quote]There WILL be a G5 PM announced next week, you can order it, but it won't ship till March.
<hr></blockquote>
Forget it. Apple announces the G5 monday their whole inventory of G4 towers are garbage tuesday. Noone will buy a G4 until march and the financial quarter is totally ruined (which casts a bad light on the iMac-II).
Therefore we'll see faster G4s in the near future and G5 maybe in summer. The reg and MOSR started posting reports on the G5 when? November if I do recall right. From then on Moto will need at least 6 month to get the chips to mass-production.
NO ONES BUYING THE TOWERS NOW! Every one is waiting to see what will happen. If apple has some G4's left why not try to sell them at very cheap prices. People will still be able to order the G5. Apple will still get their money.
Comments
well some could argue that the new iMac is geared towards prosumers, so how about a g4 mini-tower deal with 900-dp1200 mhz, 200 or so mhz system bus, ddr-ram(and lots of it) big HDs gigawire, and a few expandible drives sell them for maybe 1600-2000 or so, and offer it as an expandible iMac type thing where the g5 will go into the new PRO towers, ranging at 1.2-1.6 ghz 400 mhz bus 400 mhz ddr-sdram, geforce3 giga wire, more expandability...etc. starting at 2000( a bit steep, but you have to keep it fair)
then combined with the crt iMac apple would have a pretty damn dynamic computer line-up
simple consumer
advanced consumer
prosumer
and professional
not a bad Idea, although its unlikely
<strong>
Exactly, these are QS G4s clocked up to their max, nothing more.
This is a ploy to buy some time to get the G5s ready. This is great news for the G5. If 1.2ghz Apollos had come out then that wouldv'e meant the G5s were further off.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I share KidRed's sentiments on this one. Rushing low-power chips (Apollos) into the PowerMacs would be a bad sign.
OS-X is not complete...yet...too many patches.
Give the new PowerMacs papers like the cabbage patch dolls.Give them also a new name because
they are a year behind in technology.You can blame Motorola all you want but it is Apples fault.Poor planning or exactly what they forecasted.Milking the slow cpus too much.I think
we will get Apollo G-4s and the G-5 to be expected
toward the end of the year.Since apple has not said a word.Revision A on the G-5 is probably
too expensive and not enough speed for the buck.
Plus, since Apple will not comment on its future
technology...it is not ready for a while..give it 6-8 months and then check back at apple.they will probably have a 10 Gig iPod...Wow...Buzzwords for apple in 2002 G-5 but no product.In the meantime
check out the G-36 at <a href="http://www.hkpro.com"; target="_blank">www.hkpro.com</a> .At Heckler & Koch...in a World of Compromise.. some dont.Now that is a company.Apple thinks with all the hype
and marketing of the G4 iMac they can make great sales...but they are in for one big surpirse.It will not sell like the original iMac.Too many cheap Pcs.Even the Celeron is way fast.Alot of Pros are going to leave the apple platform for good.Once again.Too many holes in apples long term
planning.Their hard-core base customers are going
to turn on them.Not enough programs,machines too expensive and even
Steve Jobs will not dare show off PhotoShop in O/S
-X with a G-4 800 Mhz ...Big Deal....Apple and Steve Jobs look
crapier by the minute.He needs to call Hair Club for men.He can afford it???
It's almost impossible to read.
Are you doing that on purpose?
I couldn't take all this crap about there being no G5 in that other post. There is a G5. The 8450 Motoralo's low power version of it is already shipping. This may go into the PowerBook. Yes there will be an upgrade to the current G4 line very soon ( I don't know if its the 22 or not maybe the 21) But the G5 is right around the corner. You'll see. If I'm wrong then something has seriously gone wrong over at Motorola.
[ 01-19-2002: Message edited by: M5884 ]</p>
No, it's not. Read Moto's press release. It's not even going to sample until the second half of the year.
[quote] This may go into the PowerBook. <hr></blockquote>
It's designed to be an embeded processor for high speed switches. There's no way the 8540 is going to go into a notebook.
[quote] But the G5 is right around the corner. You'll see. If I'm wrong then something has seriously gone wrong over at Motorola. <hr></blockquote>
Would this really be news to anyone? (Things seriously going wrong at Moto, that is.)
<strong>There WILL be a G5 PM announced next week, you can order it, but it won't ship till March.
Speed: 800DP, 1000DP, 1200DP
The current PM line will all be DP Apollo 800, 900, 1000 Mhz immediately.
Powerbook will ship 733 and 867.
In a few days you will see...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, they are going to announce new G4s to be available immediately yet tell everyone G5s are just an another six weeks away. Oh, and do all this via a press release too. Uh-huh. Right.
Oh, will everyone who believes this BS please put your needles and crackpipes away and check into a rehab clinic right away? Thank you.
[ 01-20-2002: Message edited by: apple.otaku ]</p>
<strong>Apple Store is updating their pages now ...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well I'll be! THEY ARE?! I'll bet its nothing tho
<strong>Apple Store is updating their pages now ...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks for the heads-up.
They do do maintenance like this periodically without updating the products, but it IS only about an hour until the 20th...
My girlfriend says I'm being too hopeful.
And I am sure being awfully hopeful...
Alex
<strong>
No, 200MHz.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wakey wakey, the half the iBook range are on 66Mhz bus speeds, the iMacs are on 100Mhz bus speeds. I'm doubtful we'll see a bus-speed increase to 200Mhz. This is Apple we're talking about.
<strong>If it's the G5... WHY AREN"T THEY HYPING IT?</strong><hr></blockquote>
They didn't hype the G4 neither. Steve just said "Guys an' girls, tata, the G4. Move over, speed of light." And that's it. No Count on get a blowj... err... what was it exactly?
<strong>There WILL be a G5 PM announced next week, you can order it, but it won't ship till March.
Speed: 800DP, 1000DP, 1200DP
The current PM line will all be DP Apollo 800, 900, 1000 Mhz immediately.
Powerbook will ship 733 and 867.
In a few days you will see...</strong><hr></blockquote>
We will see what philbot will have to tell the day after. Looks like a new round of betting-on-number in the daily rumor-roulette here.
Oh, I forgot my stake. PM G4 800-933-1000DP on 01-22-02 and PB G4 733-866 and iBook 700/800 in Tokyo. Source: . <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
How much do you think a PM G4 800 will cost, considering the price of the iMac?
Surely the PM line has to significantly faster, hence my 'prediction' of an all dual PM line for prosumers.
The proformance range WILL be G5s!
<strong>The proformance range WILL be G5s</strong><hr></blockquote>
some day.
bye.
[quote]There WILL be a G5 PM announced next week, you can order it, but it won't ship till March.
<hr></blockquote>
Forget it. Apple announces the G5 monday their whole inventory of G4 towers are garbage tuesday. Noone will buy a G4 until march and the financial quarter is totally ruined (which casts a bad light on the iMac-II).
Therefore we'll see faster G4s in the near future and G5 maybe in summer. The reg and MOSR started posting reports on the G5 when? November if I do recall right. From then on Moto will need at least 6 month to get the chips to mass-production.