I guess this is why Google's corporate espionage team [former board member Eric Schmidt?] earns the big bucks and the general public until now knows bupkis.
My MacBook Aluminium 13" is for work/life stuff. But it's a little heavy, and folding it open and close and carrying it around everywhere is a little clunky now. MacBook Air is overkill.
Corporate use ~ Ah, therein lies the rub. But the Tablet will be, like the iPhone, the gateway drug to growing or at least sustaining Mac sales for business use.
I agree about the MacBook 13". The problem I can see that is pending on this slate is that it's rumored to run iPhone & not OS X, so modifying / creating Word docs, Excel spreadsheets, Power Point presentations, reports in PDF format, etc. & et al, really becomes problematic.
How would a guy deliver a PPT to a roomful of customer engineers? Knowing Apple, they'll either be some sort of custom display output port which will require another cable to tote around. However, if it's iPhone & not OS X, it probably won't have a dedicated USB port - or even a display out port. These things would make such a tablet difficult to leverage for business.
But man oh man, Mac users need and deserve a compact machine that's much more fully featured than the MBA.
Why not? When your chatting, that is probably all you will be doing. You just hold it up like you hold up your phone now.
Yeah, that could work. But what if I'm chatting with a female friend and she asks me if I think she's getting fat. So she wants me to see how her jeans fit in the back. With a stand she could step back from the tablet and do a 180 degree turn so I can take a look. Without a stand it gets kinda awkward.
Yeah, that could work. But what if I'm chatting with a female friend and she asks me if I think she's getting fat. So she wants me to see how her jeans fit in the back. With a stand she could step back from the tablet and do a 180 degree turn so I can take a look. Without a stand it gets kinda awkward.
Haha. I'd personally tell her to come over so i could take a look in person.
It is interesting that Kaifu should talk about the tablet at this time.
He is a very important person in the history of Google, Microsoft and in the Steve Jobs world.
Both Jobs and Gates directly sought to hire him in the 90's Whereas Avie Tavanian was also sought by both, and in the end went to Next and then Apple, Kaifu went to Microsoft.
Kaifu Lee was Bill Gate's protege at Microsoft. He was portrayed several times in interviews with Gates as well as in a big NYT portrait of the Microsoft inner circle, as the most likely to succeed Gates as the central guy. When he defected from Microsoft, lured away by Google to head up Google China, Microsoft sued Google.
His time at Google China was apparently personally difficult for him, caught between Google and the emerging technology markets in China.
OS X = Umbrella term for all three Apple OS versions running Darwin OS
Mac OS [X] = Apple?s PC OS
iPhone OS [X] = OS for iPhone and iPod Touch
AppleTV OS = An unnamed flavour of OS X.
iPod OS = Microkernel embedded operating system.
Tablet OS = A new OS employing the best aspects of all previously created OS, though mostly from the iPhone OS, likely with an entirely new UI specific for the device size and usage?
Huh? I don't get it. Who is the market audience for this device? My MacBook and MacBook Pro and iPhone do everything that I need... why would I want a tablet?
This is the magic tool which will be used to automate the health care system under Obama's haalth care plan. It will be integrated with blue tooth connections to patient monitors, scan and time date the meds with the camera when being given, provide alerts to the nursing staff of anything outside of specified limits, etc, etc. Thats about 500K units over 3-5 years and a lot of app type sales.
I beleive that if the unit is carrier subsidized and available for about the px of my 64 K iPOd, the 1.2 million projection CY 10 (Q2-4) is way low, if it has a global release and production can keep up.
I can see the unit becoming required hardware at multple universities for digital texts and class assignments, replacing the iPOd/Iphone in these apps.
I will be buying one for sure and only just bout a 64G ipod in December.
Someone that high up in Google's organization would probably know. The guessing game is over. All that's left is the product reveal and pricing. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I'll bet Teh Steve would throttle this guy if he could get his hands on him.
If this technique is used, it could explain that rumor a few days ago where someone said we would be surprised at how users interact with the tablet/slate thing.
Huh? I don't get it. Who is the market audience for this device? My MacBook and MacBook Pro and iPhone do everything that I need... why would I want a tablet?
Why would you want a macbook and a macbook pro? The answer to that probably hints at who would want a tablet.
Someone that high up in Google's organization would probably know. The guessing game is over. All that's left is the product reveal and pricing. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I'll bet Teh Steve would throttle this guy if he could get his hands on him.
I don't really feel enlightened at all. This falls exactly inline with all the other rumors, I could have made that statement. Even if this is 100% credible, we still know very little about the device.
Edit to avoid a triple post:
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Originally Posted by matt_s
I agree about the MacBook 13". The problem I can see that is pending on this slate is that it's rumored to run iPhone & not OS X, so modifying / creating Word docs, Excel spreadsheets, Power Point presentations, reports in PDF format, etc. & et al, really becomes problematic.
Why? If there is a market, the appropriate apps will be created and they will actually be designed to work properly on the touch interface of a tablet.
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How would a guy deliver a PPT to a roomful of customer engineers? Knowing Apple, they'll either be some sort of custom display output port which will require another cable to tote around. However, if it's iPhone & not OS X, it probably won't have a dedicated USB port - or even a display out port. These things would make such a tablet difficult to leverage for business.
My guess would be with the tablet hooked to a projector and navigating with an iPhone or possibly an Apple remote if they give it an IR port. The choice of OS has nothing to do with what display outputs this tablet is given. If I had to pick one, it would probably be hdmi as it is mostly consumer focussed and a TV would be the most likely device the tablet would be outputting to, and it isn't unprecedented as apple tv has hdmi. An adapter would most likely be needed for most projectors as you suspect, but even vga laptops are becoming less common. They could also have more than one port, or more likely have a new dock connector (the current one is a little small to dock a tablet) that serves all purposes. I don't think carrying a dock adapter for whatever output you needed would be a huge deal.
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But man oh man, Mac users need and deserve a compact machine that's much more fully featured than the MBA.
You want a device smaller than a macbook air with a multitouch screen that is also more fully featured? Are you expecting to pay less for it too? Sorry, the assumptions you made (as well as your expectations) happened to match my biggest pet peeves about the anti iPhone OS camp.
so i guess this is coming with a stand right? At 10.1 inches that doesnt exactly make it 2 hand friendly and if you have to peck at it with 1 hand...f that.
I am doubting this as a Kindle killer, but this is a good answer to the netbooks if priced appropriately and runs a full version of OSX (or slightly modified for touchscreen input)
I am doubting this will kill my aquarium, my fire place, or just sitting down with a good book (a real paper one).
But not a Kindle-Killer? I think that is the least it will be.
I would love to take one a field trip; I can see it now:
At museum: "here are your two tickets. May I interest you in one of our wifi guide booklets which you may keep when you leave? The boring grey-scale text-only Kindle one for 1.50? Or, the full-color interactive tablet one for 2.50 with photos, charts, time-lines, history notes, cross-referencing between all the exhibits and wiki-notes, and a voice-over by Angelina Jolie for our special Mayan exhibit (to name a few things)? Oh, I see you brought your tablet, sir. Good choice. BTW each table at our cafe has a tablet dock. Have a nice day, sir."
I think it could possibly kill a bunch of other things too...
note pads for waitresses and reservation-takers
electronic signature pads for the UPS guy
clipboards for lawyers and doctors
...there's umpteen specialized devices it may well kill because it will do all these tasks and more better than any specialized device. Why because of the apps like those we have already seen for the iPhone. If it only extended these, it would be great. What can the Kindle OS do besides books?
Dunno, this sounds like it could be a full blown computer in its own right. Screen is laptop size and probably packing a lot of power. I imagine syncing iphone and smaller toys directly with this thing, and using full apps like iLife on it.
Multitouch panels like this could be the new personal computer, moving people away from laptops and/or desktop boxes with a keyboard/mouse interface.
I forgot about that patent. That is somewhat what I had in mind with the back knowing the hand placement, but I wasn?t considering that backside finger manipulation to control frontside display actions. This could be huge if it works well and it?s certainly not anything anyone else has, that I?ve seen.
Quite simple. I quoted someone who felt that it was completely reasonable to have two laptops, but felt that a tablet would have no home. Obviously most people do not have two laptops, but since he feels it is not out of the ordinary, lets evaluate what a macbook has that a macbook pro doesn't.
Smaller size
Lighter weight
less computing power
Now how would a tablet stack up to a laptop?
Smaller size
Lighter weight
Less computing power
Killer touch screen
How can you in one hand, consider the first scenario completely reasonable and in the other hand suggest that the second scenario is somehow out of place? Obviously a tablet may not work for him depending on what he needs the macbook to do, but I suspect his reasons for using two laptops may mirror the reasons other users choose to purchase a tablet to supplement their existing setup.
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My MacBook Aluminium 13" is for work/life stuff. But it's a little heavy, and folding it open and close and carrying it around everywhere is a little clunky now. MacBook Air is overkill.
Corporate use ~ Ah, therein lies the rub. But the Tablet will be, like the iPhone, the gateway drug to growing or at least sustaining Mac sales for business use.
I agree about the MacBook 13". The problem I can see that is pending on this slate is that it's rumored to run iPhone & not OS X, so modifying / creating Word docs, Excel spreadsheets, Power Point presentations, reports in PDF format, etc. & et al, really becomes problematic.
How would a guy deliver a PPT to a roomful of customer engineers? Knowing Apple, they'll either be some sort of custom display output port which will require another cable to tote around. However, if it's iPhone & not OS X, it probably won't have a dedicated USB port - or even a display out port. These things would make such a tablet difficult to leverage for business.
But man oh man, Mac users need and deserve a compact machine that's much more fully featured than the MBA.
Why not? When your chatting, that is probably all you will be doing. You just hold it up like you hold up your phone now.
Yeah, that could work. But what if I'm chatting with a female friend and she asks me if I think she's getting fat. So she wants me to see how her jeans fit in the back. With a stand she could step back from the tablet and do a 180 degree turn so I can take a look. Without a stand it gets kinda awkward.
Yeah, that could work. But what if I'm chatting with a female friend and she asks me if I think she's getting fat. So she wants me to see how her jeans fit in the back. With a stand she could step back from the tablet and do a 180 degree turn so I can take a look. Without a stand it gets kinda awkward.
Haha. I'd personally tell her to come over so i could take a look in person.
He is a very important person in the history of Google, Microsoft and in the Steve Jobs world.
Both Jobs and Gates directly sought to hire him in the 90's Whereas Avie Tavanian was also sought by both, and in the end went to Next and then Apple, Kaifu went to Microsoft.
Kaifu Lee was Bill Gate's protege at Microsoft. He was portrayed several times in interviews with Gates as well as in a big NYT portrait of the Microsoft inner circle, as the most likely to succeed Gates as the central guy. When he defected from Microsoft, lured away by Google to head up Google China, Microsoft sued Google.
His time at Google China was apparently personally difficult for him, caught between Google and the emerging technology markets in China.
http://cnreviews.com/business/resear...ws+(CN+Reviews)
http://cnreviews.com/business/compan..._20090906.html
Mac OS [X] = Apple?s PC OS
iPhone OS [X] = OS for iPhone and iPod Touch
AppleTV OS = An unnamed flavour of OS X.
iPod OS = Microkernel embedded operating system.
Tablet OS = A new OS employing the best aspects of all previously created OS, though mostly from the iPhone OS, likely with an entirely new UI specific for the device size and usage?
Huh? I don't get it. Who is the market audience for this device? My MacBook and MacBook Pro and iPhone do everything that I need... why would I want a tablet?
This is the magic tool which will be used to automate the health care system under Obama's haalth care plan. It will be integrated with blue tooth connections to patient monitors, scan and time date the meds with the camera when being given, provide alerts to the nursing staff of anything outside of specified limits, etc, etc. Thats about 500K units over 3-5 years and a lot of app type sales.
I beleive that if the unit is carrier subsidized and available for about the px of my 64 K iPOd, the 1.2 million projection CY 10 (Q2-4) is way low, if it has a global release and production can keep up.
I can see the unit becoming required hardware at multple universities for digital texts and class assignments, replacing the iPOd/Iphone in these apps.
I will be buying one for sure and only just bout a 64G ipod in December.
This happens this time every year. It's a rumor.
Someone that high up in Google's organization would probably know. The guessing game is over. All that's left is the product reveal and pricing. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I'll bet Teh Steve would throttle this guy if he could get his hands on him.
Back-Side Interface for Hand-Held Devices
If this technique is used, it could explain that rumor a few days ago where someone said we would be surprised at how users interact with the tablet/slate thing.
Also you would need a stand when watching teh 720p videos on it.
But that would be immoral and illegal
Huh? I don't get it. Who is the market audience for this device? My MacBook and MacBook Pro and iPhone do everything that I need... why would I want a tablet?
Why would you want a macbook and a macbook pro? The answer to that probably hints at who would want a tablet.
Someone that high up in Google's organization would probably know. The guessing game is over. All that's left is the product reveal and pricing. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I'll bet Teh Steve would throttle this guy if he could get his hands on him.
I don't really feel enlightened at all. This falls exactly inline with all the other rumors, I could have made that statement. Even if this is 100% credible, we still know very little about the device.
Edit to avoid a triple post:
I agree about the MacBook 13". The problem I can see that is pending on this slate is that it's rumored to run iPhone & not OS X, so modifying / creating Word docs, Excel spreadsheets, Power Point presentations, reports in PDF format, etc. & et al, really becomes problematic.
Why? If there is a market, the appropriate apps will be created and they will actually be designed to work properly on the touch interface of a tablet.
How would a guy deliver a PPT to a roomful of customer engineers? Knowing Apple, they'll either be some sort of custom display output port which will require another cable to tote around. However, if it's iPhone & not OS X, it probably won't have a dedicated USB port - or even a display out port. These things would make such a tablet difficult to leverage for business.
My guess would be with the tablet hooked to a projector and navigating with an iPhone or possibly an Apple remote if they give it an IR port. The choice of OS has nothing to do with what display outputs this tablet is given. If I had to pick one, it would probably be hdmi as it is mostly consumer focussed and a TV would be the most likely device the tablet would be outputting to, and it isn't unprecedented as apple tv has hdmi. An adapter would most likely be needed for most projectors as you suspect, but even vga laptops are becoming less common. They could also have more than one port, or more likely have a new dock connector (the current one is a little small to dock a tablet) that serves all purposes. I don't think carrying a dock adapter for whatever output you needed would be a huge deal.
But man oh man, Mac users need and deserve a compact machine that's much more fully featured than the MBA.
You want a device smaller than a macbook air with a multitouch screen that is also more fully featured? Are you expecting to pay less for it too? Sorry, the assumptions you made (as well as your expectations) happened to match my biggest pet peeves about the anti iPhone OS camp.
Why would you want a macbook and a macbook pro? The answer to that probably hints at who would want a tablet.
Explain this reply to me like I am 3 years old.
so i guess this is coming with a stand right? At 10.1 inches that doesnt exactly make it 2 hand friendly and if you have to peck at it with 1 hand...f that.
I am doubting this as a Kindle killer, but this is a good answer to the netbooks if priced appropriately and runs a full version of OSX (or slightly modified for touchscreen input)
I am doubting this will kill my aquarium, my fire place, or just sitting down with a good book (a real paper one).
But not a Kindle-Killer? I think that is the least it will be.
I would love to take one a field trip; I can see it now:
At museum: "here are your two tickets. May I interest you in one of our wifi guide booklets which you may keep when you leave? The boring grey-scale text-only Kindle one for 1.50? Or, the full-color interactive tablet one for 2.50 with photos, charts, time-lines, history notes, cross-referencing between all the exhibits and wiki-notes, and a voice-over by Angelina Jolie for our special Mayan exhibit (to name a few things)? Oh, I see you brought your tablet, sir. Good choice. BTW each table at our cafe has a tablet dock. Have a nice day, sir."
I think it could possibly kill a bunch of other things too...
note pads for waitresses and reservation-takers
electronic signature pads for the UPS guy
clipboards for lawyers and doctors
...there's umpteen specialized devices it may well kill because it will do all these tasks and more better than any specialized device. Why because of the apps like those we have already seen for the iPhone. If it only extended these, it would be great. What can the Kindle OS do besides books?
It wont. You'll still need a Mac to sync it with.
Dunno, this sounds like it could be a full blown computer in its own right. Screen is laptop size and probably packing a lot of power. I imagine syncing iphone and smaller toys directly with this thing, and using full apps like iLife on it.
Multitouch panels like this could be the new personal computer, moving people away from laptops and/or desktop boxes with a keyboard/mouse interface.
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/16/moto...tures-details/
I forgot about that patent. That is somewhat what I had in mind with the back knowing the hand placement, but I wasn?t considering that backside finger manipulation to control frontside display actions. This could be huge if it works well and it?s certainly not anything anyone else has, that I?ve seen.
That would be interesting, but I'm having some difficulty imagining that in a thin case. So much to think about with every new rumor tidbit...
What about Apple's patent for a screen that can take pictures (videos?)?
I don't know if you would have to hold the screen perpendicular to the scene you want to film or
if it needs a special angle that you regularly adjust to when working with a tablet.
Explain this reply to me like I am 3 years old.
Quite simple. I quoted someone who felt that it was completely reasonable to have two laptops, but felt that a tablet would have no home. Obviously most people do not have two laptops, but since he feels it is not out of the ordinary, lets evaluate what a macbook has that a macbook pro doesn't.
Smaller size
Lighter weight
less computing power
Now how would a tablet stack up to a laptop?
Smaller size
Lighter weight
Less computing power
Killer touch screen
How can you in one hand, consider the first scenario completely reasonable and in the other hand suggest that the second scenario is somehow out of place? Obviously a tablet may not work for him depending on what he needs the macbook to do, but I suspect his reasons for using two laptops may mirror the reasons other users choose to purchase a tablet to supplement their existing setup.