For the record, I've rarely heard anyone call it "iPhone OSX" - but yes it's certainly using the same underlying OS. The OSes seem to be commonly referred to as "MacOSX 10.6" (I know... double the "10"), or "iPhone OS 3.1" (etc).
[QUOTE=AppleInsider;1541683]The ex-president of Google China has revealed on his microblog supposed details on Apple's forthcoming tablet: 10.1-inch screen with webcam, "awesome UI."
Kaifu Lee, former president of Google China, someone with supposed close ties to Apple, has revealed several details about Apple's tablet on his microblog (translation from Gadget Mix):
"The Apple Tablet looks like a bigger iPhone that sports an awesome UI packed in a beautiful 10.1-inch screen. The tablet combines the functions of both netbook and kindle, an ebook reader. It has virtual keyboard for text entry and a webcam for video conferencing."
This is what HE is saying, let's wait until the 26th to really see what is announced.
Skip
PS Former President of everything. Who would hire this man, he sucks at keeping a secret.
The success of the smartphone has shown that consumers are ready for Internet-enabled devices smaller than laptops. By the end of 2010, IDC predicts there will be more than 1 billion mobile devices on the Internet, compared to 1.3 billion online PCs. With sales of mobile devices growing much faster than laptops, the former are expected to eventually surpass PCs.
IMMO, OS X UI is eventually doomed to the Pro Only market as consumers slowly switch to the new iPhone OS/iTablet closed UI.
Apple is leveraging the simplier iPhone/iTablet UI and closed App Store system in order to make third party software EASIER TO USE, thus increasing sales of it's hardware.
Perhaps at first or so generations of the iTablet will depend upon a computer with Windows or OS X, but later versions will be self dependent as the new UI takes over and the rest of the world changes.
The iTablet will sport a SD slot and SSD, I'm almost sure of it.
Dunno, this sounds like it could be a full blown computer in its own right. Screen is laptop size and probably packing a lot of power. I imagine syncing iphone and smaller toys directly with this thing, and using full apps like iLife on it.
Actually, the traditional iPod syncing comes from the idea that the device is relatively simple, and contains a subset of things you have on your computer. But it doesn't have to be that way.
As a simple example - imagine you had a 120GB iPod Classic, and a 128GB MacBook Air. It'd make much more sense to have the iPod Classic contain ALL your photos & music, and sync a subset of that to the MBA.
There are already lots of people who almost never sync their iPhones.
edit: and the Tablet is likely to have greater power and scope than an iPhone.
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As Bill Gates will tell you, tablets don't sell.
Well, he will tell us that tablets don't sell if they try to run plain old Windows.
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Originally Posted by shall22
It all suggests to me that we're looking at a truly stunning new product, with an interface that is not merely awesome but instantly desirable.
Yep. (But I don't think it's 3D that will do that.)
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I'm intrigued - why does the webcam come up time and time again as a WOW, killer feature in this tablet? Since when was video conferencing ever a desirable feature in a handheld device?
I think it's part of the future. Every 3G phone except the iPhone has a webcam for the last .... 4 years? But yeah it's not a killer feature. In fact... I too would think it was much more suited to landlines than mobile phones.
That said - video conferencing can be great... I have a new baby, and pulling up iChat to talk with Mum is very useful. She can see the baby and feels just a bit closer to us.
Happy New Year everyone. First time I haven't been on Sydney Harbour in 10 years.... damn! ;-)
It has to be priced appropriately (im thinking 599...), too low could cannibalize iPhone sales, especially if it runs iPhone apps and too high will possibly hurt the 999 macbook or keep the device from getting any real traction.
Do people who use the stupid term 'cannibalize' ever stop to think?
Can you fit a 10.1" device in your pocket or are you going to be seen holding it to your ear while making a phone call?
So much for impacting iPhone sales. Have you ever heard of the iPod Touch?
The whole concept of cannibalism of one's own products is daft. You give the consumers choice - a range of products - and they choose whatever most suits them. So long as they buy one of your products and not a competitors, you have gained a sale - not lost one.
Quite simple. I quoted someone who felt that it was completely reasonable to have two laptops, but felt that a tablet would have no home. Obviously most people do not have two laptops, but since he feels it is not out of the ordinary, lets evaluate what a macbook has that a macbook pro doesn't.
Smaller size
Lighter weight
less computing power
Now how would a tablet stack up to a laptop?
Smaller size
Lighter weight
Less computing power
Killer touch screen
No keyboard. There's very little difference between a Macbook and 13" MBP.
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How can you in one hand, consider the first scenario completely reasonable and in the other hand suggest that the second scenario is somehow out of place? Obviously a tablet may not work for him depending on what he needs the macbook to do, but I suspect his reasons for using two laptops may mirror the reasons other users choose to purchase a tablet to supplement their existing setup.
A tablet without a keyboard would be excellent for content consumption (with the caveat that a 10" device must be carried as opposed to stuffed in a pocket) and note taking.
However, unless Apple provides a mobile dock, it's not a laptop replacement for anyone that has to write text a lot (reports, long emails/blogs, presentations, etc). For twitter and chat it's fine. For note taking, probably fine although I might prefer to use a stylus to hand write. Depends on how good the virtual keyboard is. The downside of any virtual keyboard is the screen real estate it takes up.
There are a large segment of users who mostly consumes content on their computers with some light content creation. For them, yes, you could replace a computer with a tablet.
Do people who use the stupid term 'cannibalize' ever stop to think?
Can you fit a 10.1" device in your pocket or are you going to be seen holding it to your ear while making a phone call?
So much for impacting iPhone sales. Have you ever heard of the iPod Touch?
The whole concept of cannibalism of one's own products is daft. You give the consumers choice - a range of products - and they choose whatever most suits them. So long as they buy one of your products and not a competitors, you have gained a sale - not lost one.
Except that you can cannibalize the sale of high profit items with your own low profit items. Yes, it's better that you do it yourself but the preference is to not do it at all. Apple is very good at stratifying their product lines to maximize the average sale price and margins.
An example of a company not liking the cannibalization of their own products is Intel and Atom. They have constraints of Atom discounts based on usage because it cannibalizes low end Pentium sales which are higher price and margins.
Kindle is available all over the planet except for Canada. Then, in the fall of this year it finally arrives and people rush out to get it for Christmas. That sound you hear is the collective of Canadian Kindle users smashing the units to justify the new Apple device (sure hope it is better than the Kindle).
Big thing for me would be does it have the wireless to get the newpapers etc...If it is all in color then would see the Kindle losing sales quick. Of course there is going to be a price diff that many people will not be willing to spend for the Apple product.
Can you fit a 10.1" device in your pocket or are you going to be seen holding it to your ear while making a phone call?
Actually the 10.1 is measured diagonally, so the dimensions can certainly made just wide enough to fit into a jacket or coat pocket. Only a fool puts their iPhone into their jeans pocket anyway, slacks perhaps, jeans not.
And if it does make phone calls and web cam calls people certainly won't have a issue with the bigger size next to their heads. It will become a status symbol.
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So much for impacting iPhone sales. Have you ever heard of the iPod Touch?
The iPod touch is impacting iPhone sales in China as people there are using Skype and other means over Wifi to make calls instead of getting a government approved Wifi less iPhone from Apple.
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The whole concept of cannibalism of one's own products is daft. You give the consumers choice - a range of products - and they choose whatever most suits them. So long as they buy one of your products and not a competitors, you have gained a sale - not lost one.
But netbooks are cannibalising laptop sales at Dell for instance. People are settling for the cheaper "gets on the internet and email" type underpowered netbooks rather than full laptops with cd and dvd readers, more powerful processors etc.
The netbooks margins are thin in comparison to laptops margins. So the company makes less money per unit.
However if sales increase to offset the lost on higher margin items, then that's a good thing. If the market gets saturated, then it's a bad thing.
Of the people who 'get it', I think the 2 of you are the furthest from the mark. Apple make consumer grade products for everyday people, not medical products. I can't even begin to imagine how big a waste of money it would be to integrate such devices into a system that probably already does the job just fine. Apple will be asking top whack for these devices to keep on inflating their massive bank balance, whilst leaving hospitals and medical institutions with a bunch of devices that are completely frivolous for their needs. What do you suppose the hospitals do with these devices; hand them out to terminally ill people so they can book their online funeral and purchase themselves a gravestone from Amazon?
There are a large number of tablets in doctor's offices and hospitals. Slates have largely been replaced by convertibles though, even though keyboards are hard to keep as sterile. There's just too much text entry that can't be illegible.
An insanely great virtual keyboard might reverse this trend and an Apple tablet that doesn't suck would be very welcome in the medical community.
A foldable dual touchscreen would solve a lot of problems. How about one screen that is foldable? Flexible display technology?
Bah, one can dream can't one?
Yah but in handheld mode what are you doing with that second screen? It's likely folded so you're in slate mode.
If you mostly use that second screen for a keyboard...it's far more cost and power friendly to just have a keyboard and touchpad. Probably thinner too.
Errr... yes, but what I'm after is some actual *realistic* examples of where this tablet is going to be of any use, not some half-baked this sounds really cool because it looks really futuristic an' all situation, somewhere where it is actually genuinely useful, bearing in mind all the consumer based features it is likely to contain?
OS X = Umbrella term for all three Apple OS versions running Darwin OS
Mac OS [X] = Apple?s PC OS
iPhone OS [X] = OS for iPhone and iPod Touch
AppleTV OS = An unnamed flavour of OS X.
iPod OS = Microkernel embedded operating system.
Tablet OS = A new OS employing the best aspects of all previously created OS, though mostly from the iPhone OS, likely with an entirely new UI specific for the device size and usage?
Nicely explained. I seem to recall that the iPhone's OS was a cut down version of the Tablet OS SJ had been working in for a very long time. The inference being the hardware wasn't there yet for the full tablet but was for the iPhone if the OS was stripped down. So I think if this is true the Tablet OS, as you show, is going to be a pretty impressive system. This is IMHO why the folks saying they can't see the purpose of a tablet will eat their words once this new OS is demonstrated. I really hope Apple have the patents sewn up tight so the usual suspects can't rip every new concept off over night.
I think the tablet is going appeal to many. I asked my college friend the other day why he was considering getting a 27" iMac over a Notebook. He said with the iPod Touch he finds he no longer really needs a laptop. He can type, view email, and surf the internet with that.
He is a big gamer and has at least a hundred on his iPod Touch. So, based on my experience and his opinion, a larger screen would really appeal to gamers. There are some killer games on iTunes that will be that much better as Apple increases the power of it's mobile devices, and with a larger screen.
Second, I think the Tablet will act as a Trojan horse eventually making more dents into Windows sales. Currently, Apple sports far more applications on it's handheld platform then anybody. The tablet could get many people to understand that they might not need a laptop anymore. Many of those people will be Windows users. Apple will make up from smaller overall margins, through increased sales and the sale of applications on the app store.
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Huh? I don't get it. Who is the market audience for this device? My MacBook and MacBook Pro and iPhone do everything that I need... why would I want a tablet?
The ex-president of Google China has revealed on his microblog supposed details on Apple's forthcoming tablet: 10.1-inch screen with webcam, "awesome UI."
Kaifu Lee, former president of Google China, someone with supposed close ties to Apple, has revealed several details about Apple's tablet on his microblog (translation from Gadget Mix):
"The Apple Tablet looks like a bigger iPhone that sports an awesome UI packed in a beautiful 10.1-inch screen. The tablet combines the functions of both netbook and kindle, an ebook reader. It has virtual keyboard for text entry and a webcam for video conferencing."
This is what HE is saying, let's wait until the 26th to really see what is announced.
Skip
PS Former President of everything. Who would hire this man, he sucks at keeping a secret.
If he was privy to actual pre-release information from Apple, he would have signed an NDA beforehand, so he may be legally liable for damages for his public comments.
Errr... yes, but what I'm after is some actual *realistic* examples of where this tablet is going to be of any use, not some half-baked this sounds really cool because it looks really futuristic an' all situation, somewhere where it is actually genuinely useful, bearing in mind all the consumer based features it is likely to contain?
Which companies specialising in medical equipment can match what Apple can do with OS-hardware synergy?
The sort of device the medical industry would find useful would be beyond the scope of specialist manufacturers to produce - as evidenced by the National Institutes of Health people approaching Jobs. They obviously recognised this truth and acted accordingly.
I think the iSlate will have a very pronounced applicability to the medical profession and will be adopted with glee. As I have said before, I think Steve's recent close encounters of the medical kind would likely have predisposed him to helping out the medical profession by supplying something they were asking him for previously.
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Your choice is clear dude. Your choice is clear.
yes, go to spain...
I clearly stated iPhone, not Mac.
Thanks for clarifying. We are in agreement.
For the record, I've rarely heard anyone call it "iPhone OSX" - but yes it's certainly using the same underlying OS. The OSes seem to be commonly referred to as "MacOSX 10.6" (I know... double the "10"), or "iPhone OS 3.1" (etc).
Hence why I thought it unclear.
Kaifu Lee, former president of Google China, someone with supposed close ties to Apple, has revealed several details about Apple's tablet on his microblog (translation from Gadget Mix):
"The Apple Tablet looks like a bigger iPhone that sports an awesome UI packed in a beautiful 10.1-inch screen. The tablet combines the functions of both netbook and kindle, an ebook reader. It has virtual keyboard for text entry and a webcam for video conferencing."
This is what HE is saying, let's wait until the 26th to really see what is announced.
Skip
PS Former President of everything. Who would hire this man, he sucks at keeping a secret.
Skip
The success of the smartphone has shown that consumers are ready for Internet-enabled devices smaller than laptops. By the end of 2010, IDC predicts there will be more than 1 billion mobile devices on the Internet, compared to 1.3 billion online PCs. With sales of mobile devices growing much faster than laptops, the former are expected to eventually surpass PCs.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=222100232
IMMO, OS X UI is eventually doomed to the Pro Only market as consumers slowly switch to the new iPhone OS/iTablet closed UI.
Apple is leveraging the simplier iPhone/iTablet UI and closed App Store system in order to make third party software EASIER TO USE, thus increasing sales of it's hardware.
Perhaps at first or so generations of the iTablet will depend upon a computer with Windows or OS X, but later versions will be self dependent as the new UI takes over and the rest of the world changes.
The iTablet will sport a SD slot and SSD, I'm almost sure of it.
Dunno, this sounds like it could be a full blown computer in its own right. Screen is laptop size and probably packing a lot of power. I imagine syncing iphone and smaller toys directly with this thing, and using full apps like iLife on it.
Actually, the traditional iPod syncing comes from the idea that the device is relatively simple, and contains a subset of things you have on your computer. But it doesn't have to be that way.
As a simple example - imagine you had a 120GB iPod Classic, and a 128GB MacBook Air. It'd make much more sense to have the iPod Classic contain ALL your photos & music, and sync a subset of that to the MBA.
There are already lots of people who almost never sync their iPhones.
edit: and the Tablet is likely to have greater power and scope than an iPhone.
As Bill Gates will tell you, tablets don't sell.
Well, he will tell us that tablets don't sell if they try to run plain old Windows.
It all suggests to me that we're looking at a truly stunning new product, with an interface that is not merely awesome but instantly desirable.
Yep. (But I don't think it's 3D that will do that.)
I'm intrigued - why does the webcam come up time and time again as a WOW, killer feature in this tablet? Since when was video conferencing ever a desirable feature in a handheld device?
I think it's part of the future. Every 3G phone except the iPhone has a webcam for the last .... 4 years? But yeah it's not a killer feature. In fact... I too would think it was much more suited to landlines than mobile phones.
That said - video conferencing can be great... I have a new baby, and pulling up iChat to talk with Mum is very useful. She can see the baby and feels just a bit closer to us.
Happy New Year everyone. First time I haven't been on Sydney Harbour in 10 years.... damn! ;-)
It has to be priced appropriately (im thinking 599...), too low could cannibalize iPhone sales, especially if it runs iPhone apps and too high will possibly hurt the 999 macbook or keep the device from getting any real traction.
Do people who use the stupid term 'cannibalize' ever stop to think?
Can you fit a 10.1" device in your pocket or are you going to be seen holding it to your ear while making a phone call?
So much for impacting iPhone sales. Have you ever heard of the iPod Touch?
The whole concept of cannibalism of one's own products is daft. You give the consumers choice - a range of products - and they choose whatever most suits them. So long as they buy one of your products and not a competitors, you have gained a sale - not lost one.
Quite simple. I quoted someone who felt that it was completely reasonable to have two laptops, but felt that a tablet would have no home. Obviously most people do not have two laptops, but since he feels it is not out of the ordinary, lets evaluate what a macbook has that a macbook pro doesn't.
Smaller size
Lighter weight
less computing power
Now how would a tablet stack up to a laptop?
Smaller size
Lighter weight
Less computing power
Killer touch screen
No keyboard. There's very little difference between a Macbook and 13" MBP.
How can you in one hand, consider the first scenario completely reasonable and in the other hand suggest that the second scenario is somehow out of place? Obviously a tablet may not work for him depending on what he needs the macbook to do, but I suspect his reasons for using two laptops may mirror the reasons other users choose to purchase a tablet to supplement their existing setup.
A tablet without a keyboard would be excellent for content consumption (with the caveat that a 10" device must be carried as opposed to stuffed in a pocket) and note taking.
However, unless Apple provides a mobile dock, it's not a laptop replacement for anyone that has to write text a lot (reports, long emails/blogs, presentations, etc). For twitter and chat it's fine. For note taking, probably fine although I might prefer to use a stylus to hand write. Depends on how good the virtual keyboard is. The downside of any virtual keyboard is the screen real estate it takes up.
There are a large segment of users who mostly consumes content on their computers with some light content creation. For them, yes, you could replace a computer with a tablet.
Do people who use the stupid term 'cannibalize' ever stop to think?
Can you fit a 10.1" device in your pocket or are you going to be seen holding it to your ear while making a phone call?
So much for impacting iPhone sales. Have you ever heard of the iPod Touch?
The whole concept of cannibalism of one's own products is daft. You give the consumers choice - a range of products - and they choose whatever most suits them. So long as they buy one of your products and not a competitors, you have gained a sale - not lost one.
Except that you can cannibalize the sale of high profit items with your own low profit items. Yes, it's better that you do it yourself but the preference is to not do it at all. Apple is very good at stratifying their product lines to maximize the average sale price and margins.
An example of a company not liking the cannibalization of their own products is Intel and Atom. They have constraints of Atom discounts based on usage because it cannibalizes low end Pentium sales which are higher price and margins.
Your choice is clear dude. Your choice is clear.
Yes, Spain is the obvious choice.
Big thing for me would be does it have the wireless to get the newpapers etc...If it is all in color then would see the Kindle losing sales quick. Of course there is going to be a price diff that many people will not be willing to spend for the Apple product.
Can you fit a 10.1" device in your pocket or are you going to be seen holding it to your ear while making a phone call?
Actually the 10.1 is measured diagonally, so the dimensions can certainly made just wide enough to fit into a jacket or coat pocket. Only a fool puts their iPhone into their jeans pocket anyway, slacks perhaps, jeans not.
And if it does make phone calls and web cam calls people certainly won't have a issue with the bigger size next to their heads. It will become a status symbol.
So much for impacting iPhone sales. Have you ever heard of the iPod Touch?
The iPod touch is impacting iPhone sales in China as people there are using Skype and other means over Wifi to make calls instead of getting a government approved Wifi less iPhone from Apple.
The whole concept of cannibalism of one's own products is daft. You give the consumers choice - a range of products - and they choose whatever most suits them. So long as they buy one of your products and not a competitors, you have gained a sale - not lost one.
But netbooks are cannibalising laptop sales at Dell for instance. People are settling for the cheaper "gets on the internet and email" type underpowered netbooks rather than full laptops with cd and dvd readers, more powerful processors etc.
The netbooks margins are thin in comparison to laptops margins. So the company makes less money per unit.
However if sales increase to offset the lost on higher margin items, then that's a good thing. If the market gets saturated, then it's a bad thing.
Of the people who 'get it', I think the 2 of you are the furthest from the mark. Apple make consumer grade products for everyday people, not medical products. I can't even begin to imagine how big a waste of money it would be to integrate such devices into a system that probably already does the job just fine. Apple will be asking top whack for these devices to keep on inflating their massive bank balance, whilst leaving hospitals and medical institutions with a bunch of devices that are completely frivolous for their needs. What do you suppose the hospitals do with these devices; hand them out to terminally ill people so they can book their online funeral and purchase themselves a gravestone from Amazon?
There are a large number of tablets in doctor's offices and hospitals. Slates have largely been replaced by convertibles though, even though keyboards are hard to keep as sterile. There's just too much text entry that can't be illegible.
An insanely great virtual keyboard might reverse this trend and an Apple tablet that doesn't suck would be very welcome in the medical community.
A foldable dual touchscreen would solve a lot of problems. How about one screen that is foldable? Flexible display technology?
Bah, one can dream can't one?
Yah but in handheld mode what are you doing with that second screen? It's likely folded so you're in slate mode.
If you mostly use that second screen for a keyboard...it's far more cost and power friendly to just have a keyboard and touchpad. Probably thinner too.
Errr... yes, but what I'm after is some actual *realistic* examples of where this tablet is going to be of any use, not some half-baked this sounds really cool because it looks really futuristic an' all situation, somewhere where it is actually genuinely useful, bearing in mind all the consumer based features it is likely to contain?
Geez.
http://tinyurl.com/ylyearw
OS X = Umbrella term for all three Apple OS versions running Darwin OS
Mac OS [X] = Apple?s PC OS
iPhone OS [X] = OS for iPhone and iPod Touch
AppleTV OS = An unnamed flavour of OS X.
iPod OS = Microkernel embedded operating system.
Tablet OS = A new OS employing the best aspects of all previously created OS, though mostly from the iPhone OS, likely with an entirely new UI specific for the device size and usage?
Nicely explained. I seem to recall that the iPhone's OS was a cut down version of the Tablet OS SJ had been working in for a very long time. The inference being the hardware wasn't there yet for the full tablet but was for the iPhone if the OS was stripped down. So I think if this is true the Tablet OS, as you show, is going to be a pretty impressive system. This is IMHO why the folks saying they can't see the purpose of a tablet will eat their words once this new OS is demonstrated. I really hope Apple have the patents sewn up tight so the usual suspects can't rip every new concept off over night.
He is a big gamer and has at least a hundred on his iPod Touch. So, based on my experience and his opinion, a larger screen would really appeal to gamers. There are some killer games on iTunes that will be that much better as Apple increases the power of it's mobile devices, and with a larger screen.
Second, I think the Tablet will act as a Trojan horse eventually making more dents into Windows sales. Currently, Apple sports far more applications on it's handheld platform then anybody. The tablet could get many people to understand that they might not need a laptop anymore. Many of those people will be Windows users. Apple will make up from smaller overall margins, through increased sales and the sale of applications on the app store.
Huh? I don't get it. Who is the market audience for this device? My MacBook and MacBook Pro and iPhone do everything that I need... why would I want a tablet?
The ex-president of Google China has revealed on his microblog supposed details on Apple's forthcoming tablet: 10.1-inch screen with webcam, "awesome UI."
Kaifu Lee, former president of Google China, someone with supposed close ties to Apple, has revealed several details about Apple's tablet on his microblog (translation from Gadget Mix):
"The Apple Tablet looks like a bigger iPhone that sports an awesome UI packed in a beautiful 10.1-inch screen. The tablet combines the functions of both netbook and kindle, an ebook reader. It has virtual keyboard for text entry and a webcam for video conferencing."
This is what HE is saying, let's wait until the 26th to really see what is announced.
Skip
PS Former President of everything. Who would hire this man, he sucks at keeping a secret.
If he was privy to actual pre-release information from Apple, he would have signed an NDA beforehand, so he may be legally liable for damages for his public comments.
Errr... yes, but what I'm after is some actual *realistic* examples of where this tablet is going to be of any use, not some half-baked this sounds really cool because it looks really futuristic an' all situation, somewhere where it is actually genuinely useful, bearing in mind all the consumer based features it is likely to contain?
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...ealth+national
Which companies specialising in medical equipment can match what Apple can do with OS-hardware synergy?
The sort of device the medical industry would find useful would be beyond the scope of specialist manufacturers to produce - as evidenced by the National Institutes of Health people approaching Jobs. They obviously recognised this truth and acted accordingly.
I think the iSlate will have a very pronounced applicability to the medical profession and will be adopted with glee. As I have said before, I think Steve's recent close encounters of the medical kind would likely have predisposed him to helping out the medical profession by supplying something they were asking him for previously.