The iPad is going to be interesting to watch how it plays out.
Some of the problems I see is the difficulty in propping up the device to use and the arms and hands getting tired from all the moving required to navigate the screen.
That's why you put it on your lap or on a table. Good luck holding a laptop out in front of you and working on it too.
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I predict that the screen will require constant cleaning.
oleophobic coating. One wipe and it's clean.
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To combat these problems, I see interesting third party devices arising that will duplicate some of the ergonomic features of a laptop for the iPad, basically adding the keyboard and trackpad with a clear slider sleeve to hold the iPad and protect the screen, provide anti-glare abilities, and charge up both devices too.
Of course there will be all sorts of accessories, that doesn't make a keyboard a missing feature on a stock iPad though, and I doubt we will see a trackpad (as that would require a cursor).
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Hopefully the iPad will not get too hot to shorten it's life in such enclosed products.
It should run cooler than the iPhone due to the larger size (more room to space hot components apart) and aluminum casing. Arm based chips don't produce nearly as much heat as x86 chips.
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People will have all sorts of these iPad/Laptop converters, in various colors, shapes and styles.
You are really overstating these iPad/Laptop converters. There will be a ton of cases though. A stand will be a popular option. Some cases may have a built in keyboard (no trackpad), but most people won't actually need one. A good keyboard case would have the keyboard get out of the way when not needed, with it sliding or folding behind the iPad allowing it to maintain its slate form factor. Too bulky for me though. I'd prefer a thinner case with a stand (or even none at all) and a BT keyboard if I ever needed to use a keyboard.
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Trick of course is allowing touch ability through the clear screen protector for those apps absolutely requiring touch and can't be duplicated in a keyboard or trackpad command.
Not really, you've clearly never used a capacitive touch screen device. If this was a problem, you wouldn't have screen protectors or armbands with plastic covering the screen.
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It's obvious Apple is marketing this iPad device to replace the $1000 MacBook in schools, so now that it's about $500 for the base model, half the price of a MacBook.
The iPad is a companion device. Apple wants you to have a mac and an iPad. Most netbooks are also bought as secondary computers. There may be some cannibalization, but it isn't Apples goal to have people switch from buying $1000 macbooks to $500 iPads and I don't think you will see that.
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A Dell Mini 10 netbook can be had for less than the price of a iPad and still have a real keyboard and wider access to more software titles (but more headaches, more fragile and less child friendly UI naturally) because of Windows and using of hard drives.
Again it will be interesting how the iPad plays out.
You kind of get it. The point of an iPad is to do certain tasks very well. The point of a netbook is to do a lot of tasks, while being smaller and cheaper than a laptop, but they often don't do those tasks well so they just become frustrating devices. A task is only worth doing if you can do it well.
NO one I know is interested in this AT ALL. Everyone I know is waiting for the i7 chip in the MBP's already.
Nice try by the chearleaders of Apple to whip up interest with this story.
Core i7 in a MBP? Why? A Core i5 gives 90% the same performance in a lower power envelope. I suspect that the "I want a Core i7 Macbook Pro" crowd largely contains people who don't even undertand the technology enough.
Core i5 - PCI-Express, Memory Controller (North Bridge) and more integrated into a single PCH chip. Supports Turbo Boost Mode and uses DMI instead of QPI and triple channel memory.
The primary benefit of i7 is the memory bandwidth which doesn't make that much of a different in a laptop.
Which could actually work against you when trying to understand Apple and its market.
Well if you want to talk about understanding Apple and its market you should go back and read the predictions you and your mentor made about the iPad. Remember this was the device you felt was going to replace notebooks. Now you are just happy to settle for a Kindle killer.
You and Solip are like the fountains for misinformation. I know your views are simply being a major Apple fanboy inspite of any logic but Solip actually is foolish to believe he understands technology.
You (Quadra 610) and Solip are like the fountains for misinformation. I know your views are simply being a major Apple fanboy inspite of any logic but Solip actually is foolish to believe he understands technology.
Well if you want to talk about understanding Apple and its market you should go back and read the predictions you and your mentor made about the iPad. Remember this was the device you felt was going to replace notebooks. Now you are just happy to settle for a Kindle killer.
You and Solip are like the fountains for misinformation. I know your views are simply being a major Apple fanboy inspite of any logic but Solip actually is foolish to believe he understands technology.
It *will* replace notebooks. No one said it'll happen tomorrow. The iPad is THE platform of the future. I've always said that replacing notebooks is a few years away at least. But then, that should be clear to anyone. I'm sure Sol is of the same mind when it comes to the iPad.
I find it utterly strange that people here actually believe that this will replicate, no exceed, iPhone's initial success with lines wrapped around the block when it launches as iPhone's did. I mean - COME ON!
If there is one product of Apple I may be tempted to buy as it is, I may get the iPad, after a few months, once it is out. If we are successful in our bid to get the 238-bed facility in California, I can see us buying around 15-20 of these iPads for caregivers, administrators, nurses and other medical personnel to start, plus the usual server, notebooks, and perhaps iMacs at the reception and ther personnel office.
So, I might get one to test, just so I have better idea of its full potential and limitation. It may help us develop in-house software, if they are still not available.
If I have time to spare, I may even try to help create a team to develop the "textbooks" I have in mind -- not only for the US market, but more for developing countries, where the cost of imported technology books are prohibitive. This is one of my interests, not to make money out of it, but more to ensure information and technological advances we take for granted in countries, like the US, becomes as readily available in less developed countries.
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cgc0202....I do not plan to buy the first version iPad immediately, because I always buy the "second" or succeeding versions, when I buy an Apple product."
cgc0202 you have more willpower than I do! I bought the first gen. intel iMac...intel macbook, 1st gen. iPhone! Still have them all but replaced my iPhone with a 3Gs as soon as it came out! Which in turn replaced all my iPods and 80% of my MacBook!
Although I do have to say I've been very impressed with Apple Software updates for first gen hardware. Not just the Mac's and iPhone but also AppleTV....I got one a couple of years ago and yet I have and am able to use the latest iteration of its software. No matter what one might think of AppleTV, I think that's pretty good. Not too mention both my computers are running Snow Leopard.
I guess what I mean to say is I'm quite comfortable buying 1st gen. Apple products, but I also see your point of view, too!
I couldn't find anything that says the keyboard is BT enabled. As far as I can tell it is just a keyboard attached to the dock. I don't think you will be able to use a BT keyboard with the iPad without third party adapter.
Watch the keynote and read the tech specs on the apple web site. The ipad is compatible with bt keyboards. Clearly stated, learn to read.
Those predicting the iPads success should remember that iBooks is a US exclusive service. Outside the US, iPad is just a crippled web browser and a device for watching video on with giant black bars above and below.
I really can't see it being a hit outside the US.
You mean like the ipod when the music store debuted in the us first. of course ibooks will roll out across the globe.
There are some very stupid people posting rubbish today. Can't wait to watch these people backtrack in five months.
Crippled web browser? Lmao. You mean no flash? Hasn't hurt the iPhone or ipod touch. You tech boys are wrong. You're always wrong. It's why jobs is rich and you're not. Get over it.
Maybe, but how long will it take. It took Apple years to bring video content to the UK iTunes store after the US video store launched. And even now it has tiny, tiny fraction of what the US store does, charges 2x as much, is months or years out of date, and has very little HD on offer.
Apple really only care about the US market. Everyone else doesn't really get a look in, and unlike the iPod, where people could ripp their own music, the iPad is useless without an online book store.
More rubbish. Of course apple care about the market outside of the US, which is where most apple products are sold. It's not apple who don't want a fully featured store world wide. It's the content providers.
Apple have more sway than in the early days of the store. Development will now be faster. The main Delay with video was simply the average users connection speed.
Think outside the box and think forward. Jobs can do this, it's how he's turned the company around and made Apple a global brand. The ipad is about to revolutionise the average user's concept of computing. Join the party or become obsolete.
"The survey also found that lack of a camera, support for Adobe Flash, or multitasking have not had a significant impact on buyer interest."
But resident trolls like iGenius and TEKSTUD say the lack of these features are deal killers and the iPad will fail miserably without them. This survey must be wrong. Right? Or are the trolls just urinating into a headwind?
That is sort of crap, ikrupp.
For some people lack of Flash and camera really is huge; it all depends on how you are planning to use device. I guess we can agree not everyone will use it the same way.
My wife, for example, is playing lots of Facebook games and for her, Flash is deal breaker. She would like tablet to get confy in armchair and feed her cows and chicken and whatsoever, but as it is, it is going to be some sort of ULV laptop for her.
For my mother, only important thing is to be able to Skype and - maybe - check a few news web sites (almost completely Flash free). I'll be getting her iPad almost certainly (unless something else, equally easy to operate yet better/cheaper/both does not appear in the meantime).
Calling people trolls because they have different interests and demands is a bit lame.
For some people lack of Flash and camera really is huge; it all depends on how you are planning to use device. I guess we can agree not everyone will use it the same way.
That's the entire point that all the Apple-bashers are missing. Apple has clearly chosen to avoid the 'we'll make something that will appeal to EVERYONE' scenario. It doesn't work and Apple is smart enough to know that.
They've made a product which will have a great deal of appeal to a great many people. The fact that it doesn't appeal to everyone is obvious - and irrelevant.
They've made a product which will have a great deal of appeal to a great many people. The fact that it doesn't appeal to everyone is obvious - and irrelevant.
One of these days I really need to download this Jesus-app Pandora that I keep hearing about and see what all the hoopla is about. Apparently you listen to music with it like a radio right?
It's radio in the sense that you don't have tight control of the playlist, but it's not radio in the sense of not having ads. It takes an band or song and generates a playlist of similar bands or songs, so it can be good for quickly setting a mood with no extra work beyond that. I suppose iTunes Genius can do that too.
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Agreed, the 32G WiFi only is the model to get out of the gate.
Any particular reason why not go for the 64GB model if you're going to spend for more space? I'm not sure if I would even use the 3G. I see the appeal, but it's just not necessary for me. I have set up plenty good WiFi at home and work.
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The iPad is going to be interesting to watch how it plays out.
Some of the problems I see is the difficulty in propping up the device to use and the arms and hands getting tired from all the moving required to navigate the screen.
That's why you put it on your lap or on a table. Good luck holding a laptop out in front of you and working on it too.
I predict that the screen will require constant cleaning.
oleophobic coating. One wipe and it's clean.
To combat these problems, I see interesting third party devices arising that will duplicate some of the ergonomic features of a laptop for the iPad, basically adding the keyboard and trackpad with a clear slider sleeve to hold the iPad and protect the screen, provide anti-glare abilities, and charge up both devices too.
Of course there will be all sorts of accessories, that doesn't make a keyboard a missing feature on a stock iPad though, and I doubt we will see a trackpad (as that would require a cursor).
Hopefully the iPad will not get too hot to shorten it's life in such enclosed products.
It should run cooler than the iPhone due to the larger size (more room to space hot components apart) and aluminum casing. Arm based chips don't produce nearly as much heat as x86 chips.
People will have all sorts of these iPad/Laptop converters, in various colors, shapes and styles.
You are really overstating these iPad/Laptop converters. There will be a ton of cases though. A stand will be a popular option. Some cases may have a built in keyboard (no trackpad), but most people won't actually need one. A good keyboard case would have the keyboard get out of the way when not needed, with it sliding or folding behind the iPad allowing it to maintain its slate form factor. Too bulky for me though. I'd prefer a thinner case with a stand (or even none at all) and a BT keyboard if I ever needed to use a keyboard.
Trick of course is allowing touch ability through the clear screen protector for those apps absolutely requiring touch and can't be duplicated in a keyboard or trackpad command.
Not really, you've clearly never used a capacitive touch screen device. If this was a problem, you wouldn't have screen protectors or armbands with plastic covering the screen.
It's obvious Apple is marketing this iPad device to replace the $1000 MacBook in schools, so now that it's about $500 for the base model, half the price of a MacBook.
The iPad is a companion device. Apple wants you to have a mac and an iPad. Most netbooks are also bought as secondary computers. There may be some cannibalization, but it isn't Apples goal to have people switch from buying $1000 macbooks to $500 iPads and I don't think you will see that.
A Dell Mini 10 netbook can be had for less than the price of a iPad and still have a real keyboard and wider access to more software titles (but more headaches, more fragile and less child friendly UI naturally) because of Windows and using of hard drives.
Again it will be interesting how the iPad plays out.
You kind of get it. The point of an iPad is to do certain tasks very well. The point of a netbook is to do a lot of tasks, while being smaller and cheaper than a laptop, but they often don't do those tasks well so they just become frustrating devices. A task is only worth doing if you can do it well.
Originally Posted by TEKSTUD
NO one I know is interested in this AT ALL. Everyone I know is waiting for the i7 chip in the MBP's already.
Nice try by the chearleaders of Apple to whip up interest with this story.
Core i7 in a MBP? Why? A Core i5 gives 90% the same performance in a lower power envelope. I suspect that the "I want a Core i7 Macbook Pro" crowd largely contains people who don't even undertand the technology enough.
Core i5 - PCI-Express, Memory Controller (North Bridge) and more integrated into a single PCH chip. Supports Turbo Boost Mode and uses DMI instead of QPI and triple channel memory.
The primary benefit of i7 is the memory bandwidth which doesn't make that much of a different in a laptop.
Which could actually work against you when trying to understand Apple and its market.
Well if you want to talk about understanding Apple and its market you should go back and read the predictions you and your mentor made about the iPad. Remember this was the device you felt was going to replace notebooks. Now you are just happy to settle for a Kindle killer.
You and Solip are like the fountains for misinformation. I know your views are simply being a major Apple fanboy inspite of any logic but Solip actually is foolish to believe he understands technology.
Which could actually work against you when trying to understand Apple and its market.
Ouch. I am sure that hit below the belt......
You (Quadra 610) and Solip are like the fountains for misinformation. I know your views are simply being a major Apple fanboy inspite of any logic but Solip actually is foolish to believe he understands technology.
You are funny. And, sad.
Well if you want to talk about understanding Apple and its market you should go back and read the predictions you and your mentor made about the iPad. Remember this was the device you felt was going to replace notebooks. Now you are just happy to settle for a Kindle killer.
You and Solip are like the fountains for misinformation. I know your views are simply being a major Apple fanboy inspite of any logic but Solip actually is foolish to believe he understands technology.
It *will* replace notebooks. No one said it'll happen tomorrow. The iPad is THE platform of the future. I've always said that replacing notebooks is a few years away at least. But then, that should be clear to anyone. I'm sure Sol is of the same mind when it comes to the iPad.
That keyboard is not BT enabled and I don't think anyone suggested it was, but the Apple BT keyboard will work just fine:
http://www.apple.com/ipad/design/
Apples official iPad page refutes a lot of gripes people come up for this device.
Great. I couldn't find this information in specs page but the link you provided clearly stated that BT keyboard will work
I find it utterly strange that people here actually believe that this will replicate, no exceed, iPhone's initial success with lines wrapped around the block when it launches as iPhone's did. I mean - COME ON!
I'll be in that lineup! No hesitation.
If there is one product of Apple I may be tempted to buy as it is, I may get the iPad, after a few months, once it is out. If we are successful in our bid to get the 238-bed facility in California, I can see us buying around 15-20 of these iPads for caregivers, administrators, nurses and other medical personnel to start, plus the usual server, notebooks, and perhaps iMacs at the reception and ther personnel office.
So, I might get one to test, just so I have better idea of its full potential and limitation. It may help us develop in-house software, if they are still not available.
If I have time to spare, I may even try to help create a team to develop the "textbooks" I have in mind -- not only for the US market, but more for developing countries, where the cost of imported technology books are prohibitive. This is one of my interests, not to make money out of it, but more to ensure information and technological advances we take for granted in countries, like the US, becomes as readily available in less developed countries.
CGC
cgc0202....I do not plan to buy the first version iPad immediately, because I always buy the "second" or succeeding versions, when I buy an Apple product."
cgc0202 you have more willpower than I do!
Although I do have to say I've been very impressed with Apple Software updates for first gen hardware. Not just the Mac's and iPhone but also AppleTV....I got one a couple of years ago and yet I have and am able to use the latest iteration of its software. No matter what one might think of AppleTV, I think that's pretty good. Not too mention both my computers are running Snow Leopard.
I guess what I mean to say is I'm quite comfortable buying 1st gen. Apple products, but I also see your point of view, too!
The size and the iBookstore are the number 2 and 3 reasons.
I couldn't find anything that says the keyboard is BT enabled. As far as I can tell it is just a keyboard attached to the dock. I don't think you will be able to use a BT keyboard with the iPad without third party adapter.
Watch the keynote and read the tech specs on the apple web site. The ipad is compatible with bt keyboards. Clearly stated, learn to read.
Those predicting the iPads success should remember that iBooks is a US exclusive service. Outside the US, iPad is just a crippled web browser and a device for watching video on with giant black bars above and below.
I really can't see it being a hit outside the US.
You mean like the ipod when the music store debuted in the us first. of course ibooks will roll out across the globe.
There are some very stupid people posting rubbish today. Can't wait to watch these people backtrack in five months.
Crippled web browser? Lmao. You mean no flash? Hasn't hurt the iPhone or ipod touch. You tech boys are wrong. You're always wrong. It's why jobs is rich and you're not. Get over it.
Maybe, but how long will it take. It took Apple years to bring video content to the UK iTunes store after the US video store launched. And even now it has tiny, tiny fraction of what the US store does, charges 2x as much, is months or years out of date, and has very little HD on offer.
Apple really only care about the US market. Everyone else doesn't really get a look in, and unlike the iPod, where people could ripp their own music, the iPad is useless without an online book store.
More rubbish. Of course apple care about the market outside of the US, which is where most apple products are sold. It's not apple who don't want a fully featured store world wide. It's the content providers.
Apple have more sway than in the early days of the store. Development will now be faster. The main Delay with video was simply the average users connection speed.
Think outside the box and think forward. Jobs can do this, it's how he's turned the company around and made Apple a global brand. The ipad is about to revolutionise the average user's concept of computing. Join the party or become obsolete.
Watch the keynote and read the tech specs on the apple web site. The ipad is compatible with bt keyboards. Clearly stated, learn to read.
Read my last post. No need to be rude.
My friends, the Great Experiment... the iPad, ready for trial runs.
This is the future.
The potential of the iPad platform is insane. It was apparent from the first minute it was demo'd by Jobs.
Right after, Future Shock hit everyone like runaway train.
English, please..?
"The survey also found that lack of a camera, support for Adobe Flash, or multitasking have not had a significant impact on buyer interest."
But resident trolls like iGenius and TEKSTUD say the lack of these features are deal killers and the iPad will fail miserably without them. This survey must be wrong. Right? Or are the trolls just urinating into a headwind?
That is sort of crap, ikrupp.
For some people lack of Flash and camera really is huge; it all depends on how you are planning to use device. I guess we can agree not everyone will use it the same way.
My wife, for example, is playing lots of Facebook games and for her, Flash is deal breaker. She would like tablet to get confy in armchair and feed her cows and chicken and whatsoever, but as it is, it is going to be some sort of ULV laptop for her.
For my mother, only important thing is to be able to Skype and - maybe - check a few news web sites (almost completely Flash free). I'll be getting her iPad almost certainly (unless something else, equally easy to operate yet better/cheaper/both does not appear in the meantime).
Calling people trolls because they have different interests and demands is a bit lame.
That is sort of crap, ikrupp.
For some people lack of Flash and camera really is huge; it all depends on how you are planning to use device. I guess we can agree not everyone will use it the same way.
That's the entire point that all the Apple-bashers are missing. Apple has clearly chosen to avoid the 'we'll make something that will appeal to EVERYONE' scenario. It doesn't work and Apple is smart enough to know that.
They've made a product which will have a great deal of appeal to a great many people. The fact that it doesn't appeal to everyone is obvious - and irrelevant.
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They've made a product which will have a great deal of appeal to a great many people. The fact that it doesn't appeal to everyone is obvious - and irrelevant.
AppleTV meet ApplePad.
What is a "netback"?
Back of a netbook..?
One of these days I really need to download this Jesus-app Pandora that I keep hearing about and see what all the hoopla is about. Apparently you listen to music with it like a radio right?
It's radio in the sense that you don't have tight control of the playlist, but it's not radio in the sense of not having ads. It takes an band or song and generates a playlist of similar bands or songs, so it can be good for quickly setting a mood with no extra work beyond that. I suppose iTunes Genius can do that too.
Agreed, the 32G WiFi only is the model to get out of the gate.
Any particular reason why not go for the 64GB model if you're going to spend for more space? I'm not sure if I would even use the 3G. I see the appeal, but it's just not necessary for me. I have set up plenty good WiFi at home and work.