I still didn?t get an answer. To say that they were there in the middle ages means nothing. There were plenty of other peoples there before and after the middle ages. And even by their own account, when the Europeans butchered their way into Jerusalem during the crusade(s), they tell of as many people of Jewish faith being killed as those of Islamic faith. But that?s neither here nor there. So again, when exactly did our lands, the lands from which we derive our name, become their land? What claim to Judea Samaria and Gaza do the Arabs have that supercedes the claim of us Jews to this land? What is it exactly that the Arabs did right and the Jews did wrong to have their claim to this land as legitimate and our claim as illegitimate? What?s the historical event that decided this? I really want to know.
mika.
(Also that picture of a father and son is disturbing. The bigots here already scapegoated their usual scapegoats, but has there been an inquiry to find out who truly was responsible for it? Has there been any forensic, or ballistic exams conducted?)
(Also that picture of a father and son is disturbing. The bigots here already scapegoated their usual scapegoats, but has there been an inquiry to find out who truly was responsible for it? Has there been any forensic, or ballistic exams conducted?)
Yes Israel did a whole deal on it. In the end it was a diagram shoing how they were shooting at B from A and they could not see them from A and so hit them while shoting at B!
I read that whole blood article in a Jewish newspaper. It is way over the top. I have never seen any thing like that in the Jewish press.
They go on to talk about the Jewish "Vampires" and such.
What the hell are you saying ... I can't make heads or tails of what you've written. Where did they teach you English? Did they match the bullets or not? I?ve never seen any follow up to this story. I can?t believe even a leftist Israeli paper would take responsibity for this without a proper investigation.
And I wouldn?t put it past the Arabs to pull a stunt like that. I?ve lived around them long enough to know exactly the kind of treacherous snakes they are and what little value they place on human life.
[quote] They won the land fair and square. <hr></blockquote>
With this logic, half of europe would be russian now...
[quote] Did they match the bullets or not? <hr></blockquote>
[quote] And I wouldn?t put it past the Arabs to pull a stunt like that. I?ve lived around them long enough to know exactly the kind of treacherous snakes they are and what little value they place on human life. <hr></blockquote>
a frence journalist has written a statment, where he says the Israeli soldiers shot with the intention to kill.
A amulancedriver on the way over to the boy and his father was also shot.
<strong>And I've written my statement about the French. So don't bring them swine into this. Find something else.</strong><hr></blockquote>
For the sake of discussion I´ll try to look at the possibilities for how to deal with the occupied areas. In the areas there are people living who either come from areas either given to Israel in 47 or won by them in wars or have lived in the now occupied areas all their lifes (its not "arabs" that can be exported to other countries in the area). Like I see it there is three solutions:
1) Make the occupied areas a Palestinian country
2) Make them parts of Israel and make the people Israeli citizents.
3) A mix of the two: Israel make the areas part of the country or continue to control it but doesn´t make the population citizens of Israel.
doesn't it sound a little xenophobic ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe he just doesn't like France based on legitimate gripes. Is that so unreasonable? Your country ****s up a lot of shit and ****s over a lot of people. Then it acts like it shit don't stink and bitches about what everyone else does.
Maybe he just doesn't like France based on legitimate gripes. Is that so unreasonable? Your country ****s up a lot of shit and ****s over a lot of people. Then it acts like it shit don't stink and bitches about what everyone else does.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I rally don't think you are stupid, you just got your own radical ideas. But why the hell would you go and say something that's this stupid? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
I rally don't think you are stupid, you just got your own radical ideas. But why the hell would you go and say something that's this stupid? </strong><hr></blockquote>
Huh? Is it so far fetched that people have a ligit grip with France? Just because someone doesn't like France and says so does not mean they are "xenophobic".
Huh? Is it so far fetched that people have a ligit grip with France? Just because someone doesn't like France and says so does not mean they are "xenophobic".</strong><hr></blockquote>
Saying that everything coming from France is irrelevant or is wortheless is xenophobic. You have the right to say that the french governement sucks if you want (but you have to show some proofs) but saying that everything coming from France is s""t his xenophobic (and plain stupid).
Ok. It?s obvious many of you here are just trolling. And it?s obvious you trolls don?t have the answer to my question. And I wouldn?t be in the least surprised, that the same trolls here that would advocate that Jewish towns and villages in Judea Samaria and Gaza be destroyed and their inhabitants removed from those lands, are the same people that will cry such moves advocated by me concerning the illegal occupation of Jewish lands by Arabs as "racist".
However, looking at history books, and seeing how most if not all nations acquired their lands, I do think Israel should take a lesson from these countries, and follow their example. I can assure you they?ll have plenty of people willing to help in this endeavor, me included.
Maybe ten years ago Anders, I would have agreed to a limited self-autonomy plan for these Arab populations in Judea Samaria and Gaza. Not today. Today I say to them, you had your chance and you blew it. (No pun intended). It?s over. People are wiser now and it?s only a matter of time before the end game is played. America can push for any kind of agreement she wants. She may even get someone to sign it. But it?s not going to last very long. The Arabs are living on borrowed time.
I understand that thats your position. But I would really like to know what that mean more specific. I have "suggested" three ways. Which one do you prefer and if none of them what then? I especially want to know two things:
1: Who shall govern over Gaza and the West Bank/Judea Samaria?
2: What status shall the palestinians living in those areas have?
From a political standpoint, I would start by getting our house in order. If I were running the show, I would refuse to build a government coalition with any left wing parties. (Particularly the ?Labour? party). These parties are morally and politically bankrupt. Their primaries are rigged. And their major voting constituent is anti-Israeli (anti-Zionist/post-Zionist) Jews and Arabs with Israeli citizenships. I would reform the system by requiring all citizens without exception to serve the three (3) years of national service once they reach the age of eighteen (18), and also have them swear an oath of allegiance to the State once they reach that age. For obvious reasons, in the case of the Arabs living in Israel, I would bar them from military participation, and restrict their national service duties to civic projects only.
From a diplomatic standpoint, I would make it clear to the Arabs, particularly Egypt, Jordan and Syria, that there can be no peace between us, as long as they try to use their Arab populations in Judea Samaria and Gaza as a kind of a fifth column to attack us. And I would suspend our membership in the U.N. until this Orwellian institution reforms itself.
From a military standpoint, I would simply declare war. I would try to avoid using ground troops in Judea Samaria and Gaza. This is a densely populated urban area and more suited to siege tactics than anything else. So here I would use the Air Force. I would use the Air Force to disable the electric grid in the area. I would use the Air Force to disable the telephone grid. I would disable the gas and petrol delivery systems. I would target their banking facilities. All this shouldn?t take more than a day to accomplish. Furthermore, I would flood their economy with counterfeit currency to completely destabilize their economy. I would create barriers to all goods and people trying to reach the area and make it clear to any Israeli employers that should they get caught with illegal Arab labour, the consequences will be dramatic.
In the event the U.S tries to block the above siege actions diplomatically I would encourage the creation of independent militias. These will operate regardless of the political climate and will take over in the event the regular army can?t be used to maintain the siege due to diplomatic pressures.
Let's clean this thread up ASAP! This is ridiculous:
[quote] So you Arab/French sympathizer, keep wallowing in Arab filth. You seem to like that. I know all too well that you French are the real pigs. <hr></blockquote>
[quote]Can they vote? (or are they to dumb to write or comprehend democracy)<hr></blockquote>
[quote]scott, are you really this stupid?<hr></blockquote>
[quote]Don?t you Nazi Arab/Islamasist ever get tired for spiting your hate, lies, deceit and destruction everywhere you go?
<hr></blockquote>
[quote]Being that you are from Denmark I already pretty much know what you're all about. Not much different from the French are you?<hr></blockquote>
[quote]And second, get a life you loser. 770 posts. How depressing.
<hr></blockquote>
[quote]let Arafat and his murderous gangsters in, and then French frogies like you<hr></blockquote>
[quote]Half-breeds like you we can do without.
<hr></blockquote>
[quote]This is the nation of a$$-fu<kers<hr></blockquote>
[quote]Is that so unreasonable? Your country ****s up a lot of shit and ****s over a lot of people
You?re right Nick. The language is a bit strong. My apologies. And I?ll try to be more careful in the future. Although the description of Arafat is I think for the most part correct. But all the same, I?ll not use it again. He is a Nobel prize winner after all.
Comments
mika.
(Also that picture of a father and son is disturbing. The bigots here already scapegoated their usual scapegoats, but has there been an inquiry to find out who truly was responsible for it? Has there been any forensic, or ballistic exams conducted?)
[ 03-13-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
<strong>
(Also that picture of a father and son is disturbing. The bigots here already scapegoated their usual scapegoats, but has there been an inquiry to find out who truly was responsible for it? Has there been any forensic, or ballistic exams conducted?)
[ 03-13-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes Israel did a whole deal on it. In the end it was a diagram shoing how they were shooting at B from A and they could not see them from A and so hit them while shoting at B!
I read that whole blood article in a Jewish newspaper. It is way over the top. I have never seen any thing like that in the Jewish press.
They go on to talk about the Jewish "Vampires" and such.
And I wouldn?t put it past the Arabs to pull a stunt like that. I?ve lived around them long enough to know exactly the kind of treacherous snakes they are and what little value they place on human life.
mika.
With this logic, half of europe would be russian now...
[quote] Did they match the bullets or not? <hr></blockquote>
[quote] And I wouldn?t put it past the Arabs to pull a stunt like that. I?ve lived around them long enough to know exactly the kind of treacherous snakes they are and what little value they place on human life. <hr></blockquote>
a frence journalist has written a statment, where he says the Israeli soldiers shot with the intention to kill.
A amulancedriver on the way over to the boy and his father was also shot.
mika.
<strong>And I've written my statement about the French. So don't bring them swine into this. Find something else.</strong><hr></blockquote>
For the sake of discussion I´ll try to look at the possibilities for how to deal with the occupied areas. In the areas there are people living who either come from areas either given to Israel in 47 or won by them in wars or have lived in the now occupied areas all their lifes (its not "arabs" that can be exported to other countries in the area). Like I see it there is three solutions:
1) Make the occupied areas a Palestinian country
2) Make them parts of Israel and make the people Israeli citizents.
3) A mix of the two: Israel make the areas part of the country or continue to control it but doesn´t make the population citizens of Israel.
Which do you prefer?
<strong>And I've written my statement about the French. So don't bring them swine into this. Find something else.
mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>
doesn't it sound a little xenophobic ?
<strong>
doesn't it sound a little xenophobic ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe he just doesn't like France based on legitimate gripes. Is that so unreasonable? Your country ****s up a lot of shit and ****s over a lot of people. Then it acts like it shit don't stink and bitches about what everyone else does.
<strong>
Maybe he just doesn't like France based on legitimate gripes. Is that so unreasonable? Your country ****s up a lot of shit and ****s over a lot of people. Then it acts like it shit don't stink and bitches about what everyone else does.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I rally don't think you are stupid, you just got your own radical ideas. But why the hell would you go and say something that's this stupid? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
<strong>
I rally don't think you are stupid, you just got your own radical ideas. But why the hell would you go and say something that's this stupid?
Huh? Is it so far fetched that people have a ligit grip with France?
<strong>
Huh? Is it so far fetched that people have a ligit grip with France?
Saying that everything coming from France is irrelevant or is wortheless is xenophobic. You have the right to say that the french governement sucks if you want (but you have to show some proofs) but saying that everything coming from France is s""t his xenophobic (and plain stupid).
<strong>
. Is that so unreasonable? Your country ****s up a lot of shit and ****s over a lot of people. .</strong><hr></blockquote>
Replace the word country by your name , and you will have your perfect description.
However, looking at history books, and seeing how most if not all nations acquired their lands, I do think Israel should take a lesson from these countries, and follow their example. I can assure you they?ll have plenty of people willing to help in this endeavor, me included.
mika.
[ 03-14-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/646648/posts"; target="_blank">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/646648/posts</a>;
Terrorists says orders came from Arafat:
<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/646408/posts"; target="_blank">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/646408/posts</a>;
.................................................. ....
mika.
[ 03-15-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
1: Who shall govern over Gaza and the West Bank/Judea Samaria?
2: What status shall the palestinians living in those areas have?
From a political standpoint, I would start by getting our house in order. If I were running the show, I would refuse to build a government coalition with any left wing parties. (Particularly the ?Labour? party). These parties are morally and politically bankrupt. Their primaries are rigged. And their major voting constituent is anti-Israeli (anti-Zionist/post-Zionist) Jews and Arabs with Israeli citizenships. I would reform the system by requiring all citizens without exception to serve the three (3) years of national service once they reach the age of eighteen (18), and also have them swear an oath of allegiance to the State once they reach that age. For obvious reasons, in the case of the Arabs living in Israel, I would bar them from military participation, and restrict their national service duties to civic projects only.
From a diplomatic standpoint, I would make it clear to the Arabs, particularly Egypt, Jordan and Syria, that there can be no peace between us, as long as they try to use their Arab populations in Judea Samaria and Gaza as a kind of a fifth column to attack us. And I would suspend our membership in the U.N. until this Orwellian institution reforms itself.
From a military standpoint, I would simply declare war. I would try to avoid using ground troops in Judea Samaria and Gaza. This is a densely populated urban area and more suited to siege tactics than anything else. So here I would use the Air Force. I would use the Air Force to disable the electric grid in the area. I would use the Air Force to disable the telephone grid. I would disable the gas and petrol delivery systems. I would target their banking facilities. All this shouldn?t take more than a day to accomplish. Furthermore, I would flood their economy with counterfeit currency to completely destabilize their economy. I would create barriers to all goods and people trying to reach the area and make it clear to any Israeli employers that should they get caught with illegal Arab labour, the consequences will be dramatic.
In the event the U.S tries to block the above siege actions diplomatically I would encourage the creation of independent militias. These will operate regardless of the political climate and will take over in the event the regular army can?t be used to maintain the siege due to diplomatic pressures.
mika
[ 03-15-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
[quote] So you Arab/French sympathizer, keep wallowing in Arab filth. You seem to like that. I know all too well that you French are the real pigs. <hr></blockquote>
[quote]Can they vote? (or are they to dumb to write or comprehend democracy)<hr></blockquote>
[quote]scott, are you really this stupid?<hr></blockquote>
[quote]Don?t you Nazi Arab/Islamasist ever get tired for spiting your hate, lies, deceit and destruction everywhere you go?
<hr></blockquote>
[quote]Being that you are from Denmark I already pretty much know what you're all about. Not much different from the French are you?<hr></blockquote>
[quote]And second, get a life you loser. 770 posts. How depressing.
<hr></blockquote>
[quote]let Arafat and his murderous gangsters in, and then French frogies like you<hr></blockquote>
[quote]Half-breeds like you we can do without.
<hr></blockquote>
[quote]This is the nation of a$$-fu<kers<hr></blockquote>
[quote]Is that so unreasonable? Your country ****s up a lot of shit and ****s over a lot of people
<hr></blockquote>
mika.
[ 03-16-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>