Consumer Reports: signal issues not unique iPhone 4, no reason not to buy

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  • Reply 21 of 451
    hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member
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    Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post


    Worked out what? I asked you a question and you gave me a good answer. I can't read your mind, nor have the time to go back and review all your posts if you said this before. Sorry.



    I just find it staggering that you could have been posting in threads on this issue and have not gathered that slow or stunted speedtest.net results and failed calls etc are all issues that people are experiencing. If you hadn't read those posts for some reason, my apologies.
  • Reply 22 of 451
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
    Crap.



    When will people learn that an attempted cover-up can be worse than the original offense?



    Consumer Reports wants to go down with Apple?
  • Reply 23 of 451
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    There are going to be a lot of people who suffer serious problems who won't trust Apple or reviewers ever again. This goes well beyond a slight problem, it's a huge problem with no case and will still be a problem with a case. It's great that the antenna works better than it did when it's not held as 95%, at least, of people will, but it's shocking how bad it is when you hold it normally. It's scandalous that reviewers and Apple are saying you have to squeeze it tight to experience any kind of serious signal loss, that isn't the case at all.



    Yeah, it's a lie actually. Keep in mind Daniel Eran is an Apple Shareholder. This seems to effect the stories he writes, and how he writes them.



    What is interesting are people like Spam Sandwich: who is an Apple shareholder and can also asses things like this, honestly. He isn't afraid to call Apple out and say it as it is. We love him for that. He's not full of crap like some people.
  • Reply 24 of 451
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member
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    Originally Posted by Marauder View Post


    Funny, I am able to reliably reproduce signal drop with a single finger against the band dividing the two antennas...



    Me too. It is an issue.



    However, I have learned to just readjust my grip, the bars come back, and I am fine with that. It's a great product overall, so this is an inconvenience that I plan to live with (I hate the bumpers).



    The real problem I have is when I am 3G-only, and I am web surfing, with the handset cupped in my left hand...... still woking on the appropriate grip for that one...... \
  • Reply 25 of 451
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member
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    Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post


    But does it effect performance? Many have been able to make the bars do stupid dog tricks, all the while gabbing away or using an app.



    Yes, it does affect the performance on my iPhone.
  • Reply 26 of 451
    tcrowntcrown Posts: 9member
    I'm curious if people actually bother to read anything these days. Anadtech review is probably the best review done on the phone. They actually did scientific tests in numerous locations regarding the signal issue. I would trust them a lot more than I would trust a random Joe on You Tube or Consumer Reports. I'm sure the random Joe is having an issue but that might have more to do with having a poor signal where they are to begin with not being reported properly by the iPhone.



    It's interesting that there seems to be none of these issues in Japan, only the U.S. and, I think in the U.K to a very limited degree.



    It also has to go through FCC testing the same as every other phone and they never found a show stopping problem or they would have denied release until it was fixed.
  • Reply 27 of 451
    madivanmadivan Posts: 45member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    There are going to be a lot of people who suffer serious problems who won't trust Apple or reviewers ever again. This goes well beyond a slight problem, it's a huge problem with no case and will still be a problem with a case. It's great that the antenna works better than it did when it's not held as 95%, at least, of people will, but it's shocking how bad it is when you hold it normally. It's scandalous that reviewers and Apple are saying you have to squeeze it tight to experience any kind of serious signal loss, that isn't the case at all.



    So you are suggesting that Consumer Reports is covering for Apple? Wow. Look in the mirror and repeat: "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts."



    I know it's no fun to have to admit that the iPhone 4 isn't fatally flawed after all, but seriously.
  • Reply 28 of 451
    hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member
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    Originally Posted by SustainUS View Post


    There is almost no one suffering. They THINK they are because all of these sites and 'news' sites are saying oh there is this huge issue lets sue APPLE!!!! And they think well I must be having the issue. Then they convince themselves they ARE having the issue. It is funny because I got my phone a day early and I actually get an added bar if I touch all 3 pieces... There is no Scandal. There is no shocking news.. It is all blown out of proportion. What should be blown up is how open the Droid marketplace is and how much information the apps on the marketplace can take from its users like malware.

    Sheeshopete



    I know Android has issues and am very pleased that you are experiencing no problems and enjoying a wonderful iPhone 4. I wish I was you. I on the other hand am not. I'm not stupid and I certainly don't think because someone says the iPhone 4 has a problem that I should expect to experience it necessarily. I have the problem because time after time since my ip4 activated on the 24th June all I have to do is use my phone in a way that feels comfortable and helps my phone from falling out of my hand, that's the same way I held my iPhone 3G that I'd had since a week after it's launch, to get serious signal loss to the point where I can't load internet pages and get "call failed". I can't even make a call if I don't release my hand from the lower part of the left side of the phone before I make the call more often than not. So kindly respect that this for me is a big issue.
  • Reply 29 of 451
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 3,982member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    I just find it staggering that you could have been posting in threads on this issue and have not gathered that slow or stunted speedtest.net results and failed calls etc are all issues that people are experiencing. If you hadn't read those posts for some reason, my apologies.



    I had been reading them. Some report both bar display issues and performance issues. Others say the bars go down but experience no apparent loss of phone or data function. I was not ignorant of others' reports, just yours. Let's move on.
  • Reply 30 of 451
    justflybobjustflybob Posts: 1,337member
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    Originally Posted by MadIvan View Post


    So you are suggesting that Consumer Reports is covering for Apple? Wow. Look in the mirror and repeat: "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts."



    Yeah, it's a tough, whiney crowd here lately. Some threads have imploded so badly they read like the minutes of a tea-bagger meeting.
  • Reply 31 of 451
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post


    3) The only time it will be enough to drop a call is in cases where earlier iPhones would never have made a call, and would have simply displayed 0 bars.



    Where do you get this crap? That's not true. Many Mac sites like TUAW, Insanely Great Mac, and even Leo Laporte are reporting this issue is more serious than that.



    What you have just said is untrue.
  • Reply 32 of 451
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    Originally Posted by Marauder View Post


    Funny, I am able to reliably reproduce signal drop with a single finger against the band dividing the two antennas...



    Everyone can, as long as the signal isn't very strong.



    Read this and Apple's press release for an explanation of how the bars reflect actual signal strength. What it boils down to is the iPhone 4 losing around -10 dB in signal more than many other smart phones when held in a certain way, and that drop, combined with what is normal for phones (about another -10 dB), combined with the way Apple represents bars (note that this is not just Apple), results in the bar loss we've seen so many times. On the flip-side, the iPhone 4 holds a signal very well at lower signal strengths. In the end it amounts to a phone which is more reliable than the iPhone 3GS.
  • Reply 33 of 451
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 3,982member
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    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    Yeah, it's a lie actually. Keep in mind Daniel Eran is an Apple Shareholder. This seems to effect the stories he writes, and how he writes them.



    What is interesting are people like Spam Sandwich: who is an Apple shareholder and can also asses things like this, honestly. He isn't afraid to call Apple out and say it as it is. We love him for that. He's not full of crap like some people.



    Let's see, they're both shareholders but one says things you agree with and the other does not. And what lesson are we to take from this? That you are right? That those who disagree with your opinion are dishonest? Okay, but doesn't add much to the discussion I guess.
  • Reply 34 of 451
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
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    Originally Posted by Right_said_fred View Post


    Why would the Dictionary built into mac osx, refer to both 'affect' and 'effect' as BOTH verbs and nouns?



  • Reply 35 of 451
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post


    Let's see, they're both shareholders but one says things you agree with and the other does not.



    That's how you see it.



    One is a shareholder the other wears jeans and a black top going to Apple events. Not joking.
  • Reply 36 of 451
    oh hell-

    i cant even make my connection drop a bar for phone calls or data even using my tongue to bridge the antennae...

    go figure.



    loving my iphone 4 in san francisco. where i have never had a dropped call(even with my 3g and 3gs)-and SF is notorious for drops-maybe there was a bad batch-but it more and more looking like a user issue. i don't know anyone who has had a problem-8 different people i know personally have increased reception.



    -david



    hope all your problems iron out!

    good luck.
  • Reply 37 of 451
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    Where do you get this crap? That's not true. Many Mac sites like TUAW, Insanely Great Mac, and even Leo Laporte are reporting this issue is more serious than that.



    What you have just said is untrue.



    What they said certainly isn't true?that the issue won't result in a loss of a phone call?but it isn't especially likely to cause a loss of a phone call unless it worsens an already terrible signal, or you really do hold it in an unnatural/uncomfortable way for extended periods of time (with the caveat that sweaty hands will worsen any applicable issue). As for news sources, a technical analysis counts for much more than a general report.



    If you're having regular problems I'd suggest exchanging your phone.
  • Reply 38 of 451
    hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post


    I had been reading them. Some report both bar display issues and performance issues. Others say the bars go down but experience no apparent loss of phone or data function. I was not ignorant of others' reports, just yours. Let's move on.



    My apologies then, I thought you were making a statement, not asking a question as such, to which you were addressing Marauder, not me. No hard feelings I hope. This issues is definitely bringing up a fair deal of hostility which is unfortunate and at times counter productive. Let's hope cooler heads prevail.
  • Reply 39 of 451
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 3,982member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    . . . that's the same way I held my iPhone 3G that I'd had since a week after it's launch



    I genuinely do sympathize with you. I have no doubt that you are having these problems.



    But something happened to me the other day that got me thinking. I was driving our new car and realized that there was a certain driving position that I was accustomed to using in our old car that I could not achieve in the new one. Same make, but a new year and model. It was just different. I am having to learn to get comfortable with a different geometry of hand, foot, and arm. I like the new car enough that I am willing to undergo the frustration of adjusting to a position that feels somewhat abnormal to me. But I am getting used to it.



    The 4 is a new design too. Mine hasn't arrived yet, so I am speculating. Maybe after a period of adjusting to the minuses of this new design, the plus features will compensate? Just a thought to consider, not meant to minimize you negative experience at all.
  • Reply 40 of 451
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
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    Originally Posted by tcrown View Post


    It also has to go through FCC testing the same as every other phone and they never found a show stopping problem or they would have denied release until it was fixed.



    Too funny! The FCC will pass any device if it doesn't emit radiation.
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