Consumer Reports: signal issues not unique iPhone 4, no reason not to buy

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  • Reply 61 of 451
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    I'm getting a replacement from Vodafone so I can but hope it works better till I get it next week. I've travelled around with it a fair bit now and have seen dramatic signal loss everywhere whilst holding it so I think that perfectly reasonable reception areas are now out of bounds, at least on the phone I've currently got.



    Are you dropping calls or losing bars?

    Big difference between the two.
  • Reply 62 of 451
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    It isn't an issue because it is the nature of any similarly situated phone. My brother has a Verizon HTC Droid Aris. We just spend some time making that phone lose a bar or two depending on the hand position. Our Mom uses the Motorola Droid, it does the same thing. I can make my iPhone 3GS do the same thing. If people want sleek small smart phones, they have to except where you hold the phone is going to influence the performance of the device.



    I guarantee some of Apple's competitors are the ones making this become an "issue." The iPhone 4 is awesome.



    Like you said, why sue Apple? Apple has offered to allow the return of the phone for a full refund. I doubt anybody is taking Apple up on that.







    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post


    There is no doubt the reception issue is real. It really boils down to who it affects individually. I can reproduce the error about 40% of the time. Even then, it hasn't dropped a call. I even forced it to get down to no bars on EDGE and the voice still connected, didn't drop and was clear. Odd.



    I think it's safe to say that for me and me only, it's a non-issue. It's unfortunate for the ones who due suffer it. Return it if it's really that bad.



  • Reply 63 of 451
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by galore View Post


    I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.



    Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.



    It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".



    Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!



    damn-you said that so sweet-like! Holler!
  • Reply 64 of 451
    hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande View Post


    Are you dropping calls or losing bars?

    Big difference between the two.



    All my calls so far have failed unless I hold it differently, then it's been fine. That said though the only calls I've made on it whilst holding it normally have been from inside my house which has 2 feet thick stone walls and shows between 1 and 2 bars on Vodafone's non 3G network. The manager at Vodafone had 5 bars of 3G coverage and when he made a call, and he certainly didn't look like he was tightly gripping it (I think he probably wanted to see what would happen if he did everything the way he does on his 3GS) the call failed within seconds.
  • Reply 65 of 451
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
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    Originally Posted by applebook View Post


    Um, wrong, troll, "effect" can be a verb also. though your correction was right.



    And 'affect' can be a noun as in 'dulled 'affect''.
  • Reply 66 of 451
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post


    I didn't know that. Haven't been to MacWorld in many years to witness his clothing choices. If true, it's curious and quite possibly relevant. But whether that is sufficient to prove him to be dishonest and a liar . . . not as sure as you are about it.



    Been reading these boards much?



    You should know by now that disagreement is proof positive that the other person is dishonest, a shill, or worse, and his mother dresses him funny.
  • Reply 67 of 451
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    You better not get the Droid then because my brother and I just spent a half hour experimenting with both model droids (the HTC and Motorola ones) and they both suffer the same problem. Further, why should Apple have to give out a free bumper when for 99 percent of the people out there they are happy iPhone owners and were going to buy a case from somebody, if not Apple, anyway? Have you played with the new iphone, it is the best phone out there bar none.



    These people crying are just people looking for a free hand out. Kind of like the people who when Apple lowered the price of it's iPhone after three months people thought Apple owed them something. Apple needlessly caved in that case and gave a $100 credit. I remember when the Nexus One came out, the forums where filled with unhappy users who had to email Google for support.



    Apple is a business, but for a business it really goes the extra mile to treat people fairly. I once had Apple fix a five year old Mac for free for me.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lewchenko View Post


    After reading a gazillion forum posts about the iPhone4's reception woes, reviews, and user experience I actually decided against purchasing for the following reasons :



    a) Apple's PR (issue resolved by changing the bars... I think not)



    b) Simply touching the bands of the antenna together is enough to potentially lose a call (according to many who actually own an iPhone4)



    c) Cheaper Android High Spec phones now available that dont suffer this problem as badly.



    d) Apple not willing to give out bumpers to resolve it and expecting us to pay $30 for them (a rip off basically)







    I cant justify this purchase anymore, so am now looking to Motorola Droid X/Incredible or HTC for my new smartphone. I do however still love my iMac, so its not like Apple has lost me as a customer fully... just not for their phones.



    This would have been my first iPhone too.



  • Reply 68 of 451
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SustainUS View Post


    There is almost no one suffering. They THINK they are because all of these sites and 'news' sites are saying oh there is this huge issue lets sue APPLE!!!! And they think well I must be having the issue. Then they convince themselves they ARE having the issue. It is funny because I got my phone a day early and I actually get an added bar if I touch all 3 pieces... There is no Scandal. There is no shocking news.. It is all blown out of proportion. What should be blown up is how open the Droid marketplace is and how much information the apps on the marketplace can take from its users like malware.

    Sheeshopete



    This needs to be studied as a textbook case of mass hysteria.
  • Reply 69 of 451
    kevinn206kevinn206 Posts: 117member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by galore View Post


    I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.



    Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.



    It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".



    Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!



    The fact that you've to do this is a design flaw. Say you've a 3GS and a 4G phone, and you hold both in the same way.



    3GS = no drop calls, no drop data

    4G = drop calls, slow data (or no data)



    How would you characterize this? What if you accidentally bridge the 2 antennas and your call/data drops? Holding it "differently" isn't difficult, but the fact that you've to hold it "differently" for the 4G to work work is a design flaw whereas the 3GS is chugging along merrily. And please don't attack someone by saying "no self-control." You have attributed something that is entirely not the user's fault. In fact, if anything, the iPhone was highly praised for its accessibility for the disabled.
  • Reply 70 of 451
    hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by galore View Post


    I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.



    Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.



    It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".



    Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!



    Make sure you write all of that in every post on this issue from now on or you'll get called a "primadonnas" too. But hey, you'll deserve it!
  • Reply 71 of 451
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post


    Crap.



    When will people learn that an attempted cover-up can be worse than the original offense?



    Consumer Reports wants to go down with Apple?



    Bummer whe facts conflict with your biases, huh?

    (Posted from my iPhone 4 in a marginal signal area with now better re option than I've e er had before. )
  • Reply 72 of 451
    sippincidersippincider Posts: 410member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by singng View Post


    I believe Consumer Report more than casual internet bloggers and lawyers



    Unfortunately, I'll believe bottom-shelf tabloids before Consumer Reports.

    Pro-Apple or not, CR has ZERO credibility.



    We'll have to see what National Enquirer runs on this matter.
  • Reply 73 of 451
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post


    Too funny! The FCC will pass any device if it doesn't emit radiation.



    Your proof?

    Thought so n
  • Reply 74 of 451
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    I'm getting a replacement from Vodafone so I can but hope it works better till I get it next week. I've travelled around with it a fair bit now and have seen dramatic signal loss everywhere whilst holding it so I think that perfectly reasonable reception areas are now out of bounds, at least on the phone I've currently got.



    No, you've see bars on a screen that generally indicate signal strength but apparently are inaccurate. You have no idea what the actual signal strength is.
  • Reply 75 of 451
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sippincider View Post


    Unfortunately, I'll believe bottom-shelf tabloids before Consumer Reports.

    Pro-Apple or not, CR has ZERO credibility.



    We'll have to see what National Enquirer runs on this matter.



    That an alien had Tom Cruise's baby? I mean, I already knew that, but what does it have to do with the iPhone? Wait, I think I'm finally getting it...
  • Reply 76 of 451
    hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    No, you've see bars on a screen that generally indicate signal strength but apparently are inaccurate. You have no idea what the actual signal strength is.



    If I hold the phone the same way I've always done I get no internet or an internet that super super slow, period, sorry if you don't like that. I'm happy for all the people who haven't been able to even reproduce this even when they try, but that unfortunately isn't my experience. And obviously when I hold it "differently" everything is quick.
  • Reply 77 of 451
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by galore View Post


    I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.



    Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.



    It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".



    Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!



    There are several issues that are being folded into one giant mess and the Chicken Littles running around in hysterics aren't helping anyone, much less their own argument.



    What you state is find if the only issue was typical attenuation caused by an object impeding RF, like what we see in every single cell phone on the market. The problem comes in when it's more than basic attenuation, but the cellular access completely stopping the instant you touch the "3G-Spot". Since the bars only refresh about every 10 seconds you won't see it right away, but as demonstrated in the video below, it's indicative of a bigger issue which isn't affecting all users and is not proof of a "design flaw".



    Note, this video could easily be doctored but I have no reason to believe that it is.
  • Reply 78 of 451
    sippincidersippincider Posts: 410member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by galore View Post


    I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.



    Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.



    It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".



    Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!



    Oh boy...



    First, we'd be rolling in the streets (and likely calling doom) if Android phones needed to be held in a certain way.



    Second, this is for the people who apologize for Apple's mirror-screen Macs (after all, it's no big deal if you re-arrange the room and adjust the lighting...).



    The bottom line is if we wanted BS we wouldn't buy Apple products. Steve & Co. can do better, and we expect it. This is our little way of reminding them.
  • Reply 79 of 451
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Note, this video could easily be doctored but I have no reason to believe that it is.



    So why even say that then?
  • Reply 79 of 451
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    Keep in mind Daniel Eran is an Apple Shareholder. This seems to effect the stories he writes, and how he writes them.



    So what? I am an Apple shareholder too. Big deal.



    Some day, you'll climb down from your pathetically cynical and jaded perch, and understand/accept the fact that human beings are actually capable of intellectual honesty.
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