Pornography is just about the best example of free speech that exists. Ask Larry Flynt.
Some people use "pornography" broadly and may actually mean "child pornography" which is not, of course, protected speech. Hopefully that's what the guy meant.
I'd like to know how you demonstrated this to an Apple employee it an AT&T employee. Both stores have AT&T repeaters in them, giving you perfect reception in either place. If the reception is good, you cannot make the "death grip" work. Sorry, you just can't. Period. Sometimes I wonder if the people complaining about iPhone actually own one. My guess is many do not.
Your post is wrong about so many things, it's hard to know where to start. I have owned an iPhone since June 23rd. Actually, two. Apple swapped out the first one when I couldn't hold the phone in my left hand without dropping the signal and losing all voice and data communication. Unfortunately, the 2nd one works just as poorly.
And yes, you can drop the signal inside an AT&T store. I have done it, to the chagrin of the clerks there. No doubt you won't take me up on this, but come here to Medford, OR and I'll demonstrate it for you. And then I'll take you out for a nice, big, steaming plate of crow.
I see. Thanks for the reply, makes a lot of sense. Surely then they must have looked at some option for coating the metal exterior frame of the phone to prevent attenuation by user contact, I wonder why they did not find any sufficiently feasible solution. This is a very strange matter indeed with this phone because we all know th talent that went into this. I fail to understand how so many signals engineers could have missed this potential problem, so I would think they didn't, but informed the design team. Even so I still fail to believe a scenario where the design team pushed them and ignored their red flag outright.
So all in all my imagination deserts me as to what might have happened.
This reasoning is very close to my theory of what actually happened. The issue was probably not seen as serious enough, while no one had the courage to stand the temptation of the case design elegancy.
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In terms of a potential fix, which would include a small redesign, why don't they just put the joints of the antennae in the corners of the phone? Hardly anyone touches the very corner so it seems problem solved? Doesn't it? If they can fit them thus that is.
It's hardware. Any modifications to manufacturing process and to used materials take very long to design, implement, get all necessary approvals and to finally switch factories. IMO, they may venture to apply some insulating coating on antennae, but still it will take a considerable amount of time.
Quick software fix would always be appreciated. But I doubt there's one being really feasible.
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Originally Posted by myapplelove
Btw, Ivan, aren't there health concerns by exposing the antennae to the user and he or she touching them. I am very sensitive to sar issues in mobile phones, an area where I think the industry has been very dishonest about potential health threats, apple included.
Allergic people may be somewhat concerned.
Besides that, as you've already figured it out for yourself, there's pretty much nothing with iPhone 4 to be scared of more, than with any other cellular phones; 2 mm of dielectric casing do not make that big difference. Official reports on iPhone 4's SAR levels have been published by FCC. iPhone 4 looks better, than 3GS.
I really wish people who have never read 1984 and have absolutely no idea what the book is about would stop using it as an analogy for anything they don't like. For one thing, it trivializes the issues actually raised in 1984. But, mostly, in this instance, it utterly and completely mischaracterizes Apple's actions. I know ignorance gives a certain freedom to be a fool, but it would really be best to resist the temptation and talk about what you know, not what you don't.
Yes. The way they decide what we can run on our phone and how we can hold it, etc. Kind of weird.
Remember back when Apple/Mac was about choice. Windows was bad because you did not have any choice. Run IE or else. Etc. My how the times have changed.
They deleted a post of mine after I complained about them pulling apps, from the app store. This is a free country but apperently Apple doesn't think so
For me Apple no More, I am moving to Ubuntu, after all Snow Leopard promess the fastest OS in the World, but instead of that I have the same old speed, while Ubuntu 10.04LTS is just amazing fast, ok there's some apps that only Mac has, but with Apple only working on iPhone, with no Mac OS X relevant evolution, iTunes is just making me scream, I am forced to give my credit card so I can download album covers, or I just can't play flac files easily, that's too much, it only syncs well with iPod or iPhone, I don't have any, I prefer other brand for that, but I own a Mac, but it just don't work anymore as it should work, and now Apple tries to shut the mouth of people!??? I have a damn bluetooth problem since Snow Leopard came out, that only works with the magic mouse, everything else and bluetooth crash, to say little, very strange. I waited for a year for the damn Java 6 on Snow Leopard 32 bits, and flash optimization as it seems is Apple fault because it just released source code to Adobe so it can optimize with Mac OS Core APIs, so wake up people. This Apple is rotten!!! It's NOT The same Apple that once said machines should be beautiful inside as outside, and OS X will be the most advanced system in the world, because today it is NOT!
My sentiments are pretty much said in your little rant here. Apple a while ago lost its charm on me, and I see the company going more towards the gadgets (iPhone, iPad, iPod...) than I do seeing them focus on the computers. They used to make decent machines. They used to make a decent OS. Now its all about the label... and it makes me sad. If the old Apple comes back (pre 2004 in my mind), and owns up to its own mistakes instead of thinking its too big for them, then I will consider going back. Till then, I'll stick with my Linux distros.
To be honest, the ONLY thing I miss is Garageband (but with a lot of work, you can get something pretty close). There really aren't any alternatives out there in either Linux or Windows. Ubuntu is a great OS, and can be streamlined if you know what you are doing. I'd suggest checking out Ubuntu Studio. Also, for video editing, check out Kdenlive. The biggest suggestion I'd say with linux, is be patient when setting it up. But once its going, its VERY nice. Welcome! Here, you can do what you want!
I really wish people who have never read 1984 and have absolutely no idea what the book is about would stop using it as an analogy for anything they don't like. For one thing, it trivializes the issues actually raised in 1984. But, mostly, in this instance, it utterly and completely mischaracterizes Apple's actions. I know ignorance gives a certain freedom to be a fool, but it would really be best to resist the temptation and talk about what you know, not what you don't.
Thje reference isn't to the book, but to Apple's "1984" commercial. Or at least I assume that the OP was doing so.
Well, even that reference would represent a misunderstanding of the issues and be incorrect.
Not really. The commercial was breaking free of "the Man," the OP was joking that Apple has now become "the Man" they railed against in that commercial. Nothing more than that.
@Ivan thanks for the useful and intelligent posting.
A question . . . I don't twit/tweet/whatever though realize "@" is used in usernames there. Why has the use of "@" moved to forums and such when referring to previous posters? Seems totally unnecessary. Just a carryover from Twitter and such?
The bottom line is that most of those threads are filled with whiners who don't even own an iPhone - much like threads at AI. Given the posting profile of the threads, it appears likely that some of the posts are pure FUD stirred up by Apple's competition.
So why should Apple continue to support the competitor's FUD?
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Pornography is just about the best example of free speech that exists. Ask Larry Flynt.
Some people use "pornography" broadly and may actually mean "child pornography" which is not, of course, protected speech. Hopefully that's what the guy meant.
I'd like to know how you demonstrated this to an Apple employee it an AT&T employee. Both stores have AT&T repeaters in them, giving you perfect reception in either place. If the reception is good, you cannot make the "death grip" work. Sorry, you just can't. Period. Sometimes I wonder if the people complaining about iPhone actually own one. My guess is many do not.
Your post is wrong about so many things, it's hard to know where to start. I have owned an iPhone since June 23rd. Actually, two. Apple swapped out the first one when I couldn't hold the phone in my left hand without dropping the signal and losing all voice and data communication. Unfortunately, the 2nd one works just as poorly.
And yes, you can drop the signal inside an AT&T store. I have done it, to the chagrin of the clerks there. No doubt you won't take me up on this, but come here to Medford, OR and I'll demonstrate it for you. And then I'll take you out for a nice, big, steaming plate of crow.
Correct. It is a software issue that has been present since the first iPhone. It will be fixed in due course.
No offense, but do you buy everything that Apple says, hook, line and sinker? You sound like you're from their (recently bumbling) PR department.
As many have logically shown, the proposed software fix is cosmetic in nature and will have no effect beyond trying to pass the blame elsewhere.
So all in all my imagination deserts me as to what might have happened.
There is a software glitch. It has been there since the first iPhone. It is now being remedied.
I see. Thanks for the reply, makes a lot of sense. Surely then they must have looked at some option for coating the metal exterior frame of the phone to prevent attenuation by user contact, I wonder why they did not find any sufficiently feasible solution. This is a very strange matter indeed with this phone because we all know th talent that went into this. I fail to understand how so many signals engineers could have missed this potential problem, so I would think they didn't, but informed the design team. Even so I still fail to believe a scenario where the design team pushed them and ignored their red flag outright.
So all in all my imagination deserts me as to what might have happened.
This reasoning is very close to my theory of what actually happened. The issue was probably not seen as serious enough, while no one had the courage to stand the temptation of the case design elegancy.
In terms of a potential fix, which would include a small redesign, why don't they just put the joints of the antennae in the corners of the phone? Hardly anyone touches the very corner so it seems problem solved? Doesn't it? If they can fit them thus that is.
It's hardware. Any modifications to manufacturing process and to used materials take very long to design, implement, get all necessary approvals and to finally switch factories. IMO, they may venture to apply some insulating coating on antennae, but still it will take a considerable amount of time.
Quick software fix would always be appreciated. But I doubt there's one being really feasible.
Btw, Ivan, aren't there health concerns by exposing the antennae to the user and he or she touching them. I am very sensitive to sar issues in mobile phones, an area where I think the industry has been very dishonest about potential health threats, apple included.
Allergic people may be somewhat concerned.
Besides that, as you've already figured it out for yourself, there's pretty much nothing with iPhone 4 to be scared of more, than with any other cellular phones; 2 mm of dielectric casing do not make that big difference. Official reports on iPhone 4's SAR levels have been published by FCC. iPhone 4 looks better, than 3GS.
They were off-topic on a support forum. The moderators did the right thing.
Exactly. However, the stupidity, whining and exaggerations continue ad nauseam.
However, the way Apple deals with the issue reminds us of:
-broken (exploding?) iPhones
-watercooling iMacs
Anyone remembers that? I do.
Sources, please?
Ha ha - it's 1984... Apple is now The Man.
I really wish people who have never read 1984 and have absolutely no idea what the book is about would stop using it as an analogy for anything they don't like. For one thing, it trivializes the issues actually raised in 1984. But, mostly, in this instance, it utterly and completely mischaracterizes Apple's actions. I know ignorance gives a certain freedom to be a fool, but it would really be best to resist the temptation and talk about what you know, not what you don't.
Ha ha - it's 1984... Apple is now The Man.
Yes. The way they decide what we can run on our phone and how we can hold it, etc. Kind of weird.
Remember back when Apple/Mac was about choice. Windows was bad because you did not have any choice. Run IE or else. Etc. My how the times have changed.
You'll understand now why I sold the stock the minute that SJ told that the consumer is the problem and not the iPhone.
My guess, this is the turning point in the Apple / Android war.
For me Apple no More, I am moving to Ubuntu, after all Snow Leopard promess the fastest OS in the World, but instead of that I have the same old speed, while Ubuntu 10.04LTS is just amazing fast, ok there's some apps that only Mac has, but with Apple only working on iPhone, with no Mac OS X relevant evolution, iTunes is just making me scream, I am forced to give my credit card so I can download album covers, or I just can't play flac files easily, that's too much, it only syncs well with iPod or iPhone, I don't have any, I prefer other brand for that, but I own a Mac, but it just don't work anymore as it should work, and now Apple tries to shut the mouth of people!??? I have a damn bluetooth problem since Snow Leopard came out, that only works with the magic mouse, everything else and bluetooth crash, to say little, very strange. I waited for a year for the damn Java 6 on Snow Leopard 32 bits, and flash optimization as it seems is Apple fault because it just released source code to Adobe so it can optimize with Mac OS Core APIs, so wake up people. This Apple is rotten!!! It's NOT The same Apple that once said machines should be beautiful inside as outside, and OS X will be the most advanced system in the world, because today it is NOT!
My sentiments are pretty much said in your little rant here. Apple a while ago lost its charm on me, and I see the company going more towards the gadgets (iPhone, iPad, iPod...) than I do seeing them focus on the computers. They used to make decent machines. They used to make a decent OS. Now its all about the label... and it makes me sad. If the old Apple comes back (pre 2004 in my mind), and owns up to its own mistakes instead of thinking its too big for them, then I will consider going back. Till then, I'll stick with my Linux distros.
To be honest, the ONLY thing I miss is Garageband (but with a lot of work, you can get something pretty close). There really aren't any alternatives out there in either Linux or Windows. Ubuntu is a great OS, and can be streamlined if you know what you are doing. I'd suggest checking out Ubuntu Studio. Also, for video editing, check out Kdenlive. The biggest suggestion I'd say with linux, is be patient when setting it up. But once its going, its VERY nice. Welcome! Here, you can do what you want!
I really wish people who have never read 1984 and have absolutely no idea what the book is about would stop using it as an analogy for anything they don't like. For one thing, it trivializes the issues actually raised in 1984. But, mostly, in this instance, it utterly and completely mischaracterizes Apple's actions. I know ignorance gives a certain freedom to be a fool, but it would really be best to resist the temptation and talk about what you know, not what you don't.
Thje reference isn't to the book, but to Apple's "1984" commercial. Or at least I assume that the OP was doing so.
Thje reference isn't to the book, but to Apple's "1984" commercial. Or at least I assume that the OP was doing so.
Well, even that reference would represent a misunderstanding of the issues and be incorrect.
Well, even that reference would represent a misunderstanding of the issues and be incorrect.
Not really. The commercial was breaking free of "the Man," the OP was joking that Apple has now become "the Man" they railed against in that commercial. Nothing more than that.
@Ivan thanks for the useful and intelligent posting.
A question . . . I don't twit/tweet/whatever though realize "@" is used in usernames there. Why has the use of "@" moved to forums and such when referring to previous posters? Seems totally unnecessary. Just a carryover from Twitter and such?
@Ivan thanks for the useful and intelligent posting.
My pleasure.
P.S. Here's the popular extract of FCC's measurements and comparisons:
So why should Apple continue to support the competitor's FUD?