I Was a fine supporter of Apple since the beginning
Bought from them
Apple 2
Laserwriter
Mac
Mac SE II
iMac
4 iPods
iPod Touch
2 iPhones
Bought their stock at 9
Sold it at 270 after SJ told it's not the phone that's the problem but that the consumer is the problem.
And I owned 25,000,000,000 shares of Microsoft stock and sold it when they released Vista. And I'm the one who told Google to go into search. And Santa Clause asks my opinion on tough 'naughty or nice' cases.
Isn't the Internet wonderful? You can claim anything you wish.
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll
Clue: Of course Apple can do whatever they want in their forums. It's about how desperate they look when they're doing it, all the while denying they have a hardware problem.
Do you have proof that there's a hardware problem? Or are you just spewing the same FUD you've heard from elsewhere?
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Originally Posted by StLBluesFan
How hard is it to understand? Everything about the iPhone 4 is top-notch, with the exception of one niggling problem that can actually affect, you know, PHONE CALLS. You expect a phone with that kind of problem, albeit the only problem, to receive a recommendation? Fix the problem, it will be retested and no doubt receive CRs highest recommendation.
That is not correct. Both CR and Anand state that the iPhone is better than other phones for phone calls. It's just not as much better if you hold it in a certain way.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
I really wish people who have never read 1984 and have absolutely no idea what the book is about would stop using it as an analogy for anything they don't like. For one thing, it trivializes the issues actually raised in 1984. But, mostly, in this instance, it utterly and completely mischaracterizes Apple's actions. I know ignorance gives a certain freedom to be a fool, but it would really be best to resist the temptation and talk about what you know, not what you don't.
Yes, but it's a good guide to which posts you can ignore because they're coming from ignorant twits. It's generally easy to sort out the posts from people who don't know what they're talking about, but that's one more clue to make it easier.
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Originally Posted by dannybrook
This is the kind of "reporting" that is nothing more than sensational pot stirring.
Dropping the "Recommended" rating is hardly the same thing as doing a 180 and advising consumers not to buy. It is the highest rated phone even with the reception problem taken into account. Can't get any better than that without a Recommended rating. CR chooses not to recommend when, in their opinion, there is a problem that needs to be fixed. If it was a 180, it would be near the bottom of the list. It is merely saying fix the antenna problem even though it is just slightly worse than most other phones.
I'd rather have an iPhone any day, and frankly I imagine most folks put theirs in a case of some sort, thus it will be a non-issue.
That's all true - but it doesn't give the Apple haters ammunition. I think Google, HTC, and RIM are actively stirring up trouble. Look at some of the post profiles of people here.
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Originally Posted by Avidfcp
Sorry but a cheap Toyota vs any American auto in the sameprice classis going to get spanked by Toyota. You have to spend $45,000 or more for a decent US auto and even then, your 45,000 is getting you a $25k car.
That's absolute nonsense. My current car is a Lexus. The car before that was a Buick Enclave. Before that, a different Lexus. Before that, an Acura. The Buick is every bit as good a car as the Lexus before and after it (in fact, it was better than the first Lexus I owned). Characterization of the Enclave as a "25 K car" is purely an indication that you don't know what you're talking about.
American car quality has, in general, improved a great deal. Several of the top rated cars are now American and the best American cars are certainly in the same ballpark as Honda or Toyota.
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Originally Posted by str1f3
Apple's forums have been known to remove negative topics for any of their products well before this. This has little to do with the CR in particular though it is the point of the article.
That's true. Apple has always tried to limit their support forums to support questions and weed out the whiners and FUDsters. Why is it news (other than the Android fans are up in arms because they're losing one place to spread their FUD)?
Consumer Report's flip flop only proves to me that they can be bought and their reports should be taken with a grain of salt.
The next iOS update will fix this issue and the world won't need consumer reports to filp flop again since they have been bought and paid for.
Time will tell.
I can see that point, but there is another side, maybe they realized their initial testing was flawed and the number of reported issues allowed them to realize that fact.
I would prefer a company that has the ability to say "we were wrong" rather than stick to the same conclusion for pride's sake. Of course, that assumes that their initial conclusion was wrong and they are not being bought out which is always a possibility...
Numerous threads pertaining to Consumer Reports' testing of the iPhone 4, which found reception issues, were removed from Apple's official online forums Monday.
Conspiracy theory fail.
Apple deleted a bunch of duplicate threads, that's all. People were spamming the forum with carbon copies of existing threads, so Apple decided to clean up. There's no reason why you need dozens of different threads discussing the same thing.
At this moment, there are several open threads on the report, so what's the whining all about?
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While at least six threads were deleted, some were saved in caches and can still be viewed. The report noted that Apple has been known to delete threads that may be unflattering toward its products from the official online discussion forums.
Again, Apple has done no such thing. Apple deleted duplicate spam threads.
That is normal at Apple forums! I have been member of those for years. They now tell you in a feedback after removal that they disallow opinions on the forum. That is regardless if positive or negative... or simply alternative aproach, because original by Apple is lame and inefficient. They have simply some censors (probably overseas) who do not understand culture or what's going on, but they stick to the procedures and codes blindly. Same with some common jargon wording that is used even in published guide books for Apple products. They simply ban those in censorship. It happend to me with plain quote!
I wonder why they still allow name "Dick" showing up in posts. After all any word and phrase out of context can be percieved offensive.
That is why I do not go there so frequently and I'd rather exchange knowledge on many other Mac related forums including those related to software/hardware issues and fixes/workarounds. Let them appreciate at Apple if someone honors them with hint/tip how to fix problem... or let them work to research it and brag they were first with miracle solution.
I repect Apple, but I cannot accept those kinds of qualities applied to consumers helping each other as to Apple employees. We are not Apple employees and we are not bound by the company rules (secrets, not making any representations to Apple or expressing opinions about vendor products). If they do not understand that then good - more poeople to other forums (like macrumors.com or here on appleinsider.com). They can rate those few amateurs helping at Apple forum as much as they want, but perhaps more people will be in outside community. Perhaps Apple forums become slowly less of use.
That is not correct. Both CR and Anand state that the iPhone is better than other phones for phone calls. It's just not as much better if you hold it in a certain way.
I see you are still talking fud and like twisting the facts. You are not fooling anyone. People know the facts and your twisting statements can't change the facts. The fact is both CR and AnandTech said the iPhone 4 reception is bad when you hold it. And CR said the iPhone 4 reception is worse then the other phones they tested.
A detailed characterization of the effects of antenna coating on the performance of cellular phones is presented. The FDTD-based simulations show that antenna coating facilitates the reduction of the antenna length without jeopardizing the radiation properties of the antenna. However, the radiation efficiency is slightly affected.
I signed up for an Apple Support Communities account with my real name as the username. I posted a few guides and answered a few questions. After some time, I realized I made a mistake using my real name as the username and wanted my account to be deleted, along with my content, so it cannot be indexed by search engines.
Apple provides no way to contact them about forum accounts, so I tried the support feedback and waited for a few days. There was no response, so I emailed appleid. Still nothing.
Somehow I expected more from Apple but I guess they are busy deleting threads that are critical of their products.
I signed up for an Apple Support Communities account with my real name as the username. I posted a few guides and answered a few questions. After some time, I realized I made a mistake using my real name as the username and wanted my account to be deleted, along with my content, so it cannot be indexed by search engines.
Apple provides no way to contact them about forum accounts, so I tried the support feedback and waited for a few days. There was no response, so I emailed appleid. Still nothing.
I guess, Apple is busy deleting threads that are critical of their products.
This is not at all the place to vet this complaint. Don't hyperbolize and don't be foolish. Simply contact them again.
my buddy's sister made $17506 last week. she been working on the internet and got a $528200 house. All she did was get fortunate and put into work the clues revealed on this website http://LazyCash34.com
This is what they said when they deleted the post;
Dear <>,
Recently you posted a poll on Apple Support Communities. We are including a copy of your message at the end of this email for your reference. We understand the desire to share experiences in your reply "Re: ios 5.1.1 Installation issues and known bugs," but because these posts are not allowed on our forums, we have removed your post.
These forums are intended for technical questions that can be answered by the community. We want everyone to be able to contribute to our forums and have their issues addressed. We feel that we have a very strong community and that it is an excellent resource for users to get assistance. I encourage you to continue using the Apple Support Communities while abiding by our terms of use. The Apple Support Communities Use Agreement, which also includes helpful information about using Apple Support Communities, is located at https://discussions.apple.com/static/apple/tutorial/tou.html
If you would like to share your experiences with Apple directly, you can submit feedback here: http://www.apple.com/feedback As part of submitting feedback, please read the Unsolicited Idea Submission Policy linked to the feedback page.
Best Regards,
Apple Support Communities Staff
A copy of your message for reference:
"Thanks guys. I am still looking for more answers. I need to pile up the list of issues and solutions too as I also work in an app developer environment developing business apps and need to analyse the risk to support our customers (so that we can set our minimum iOS recommendation to most stable or less buggy version). Whether the iOS 5.1.1 installation failure rate is 0.01% or 0.001% we need answers and your opiniions. Please blog this thread with as much information as you can."
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Comments
I Was a fine supporter of Apple since the beginning
Bought from them
Apple 2
Laserwriter
Mac
Mac SE II
iMac
4 iPods
iPod Touch
2 iPhones
Bought their stock at 9
Sold it at 270 after SJ told it's not the phone that's the problem but that the consumer is the problem.
And I owned 25,000,000,000 shares of Microsoft stock and sold it when they released Vista. And I'm the one who told Google to go into search. And Santa Clause asks my opinion on tough 'naughty or nice' cases.
Isn't the Internet wonderful? You can claim anything you wish.
Clue: Of course Apple can do whatever they want in their forums. It's about how desperate they look when they're doing it, all the while denying they have a hardware problem.
Do you have proof that there's a hardware problem? Or are you just spewing the same FUD you've heard from elsewhere?
How hard is it to understand? Everything about the iPhone 4 is top-notch, with the exception of one niggling problem that can actually affect, you know, PHONE CALLS. You expect a phone with that kind of problem, albeit the only problem, to receive a recommendation? Fix the problem, it will be retested and no doubt receive CRs highest recommendation.
That is not correct. Both CR and Anand state that the iPhone is better than other phones for phone calls. It's just not as much better if you hold it in a certain way.
I really wish people who have never read 1984 and have absolutely no idea what the book is about would stop using it as an analogy for anything they don't like. For one thing, it trivializes the issues actually raised in 1984. But, mostly, in this instance, it utterly and completely mischaracterizes Apple's actions. I know ignorance gives a certain freedom to be a fool, but it would really be best to resist the temptation and talk about what you know, not what you don't.
Yes, but it's a good guide to which posts you can ignore because they're coming from ignorant twits. It's generally easy to sort out the posts from people who don't know what they're talking about, but that's one more clue to make it easier.
This is the kind of "reporting" that is nothing more than sensational pot stirring.
Dropping the "Recommended" rating is hardly the same thing as doing a 180 and advising consumers not to buy. It is the highest rated phone even with the reception problem taken into account. Can't get any better than that without a Recommended rating. CR chooses not to recommend when, in their opinion, there is a problem that needs to be fixed. If it was a 180, it would be near the bottom of the list. It is merely saying fix the antenna problem even though it is just slightly worse than most other phones.
I'd rather have an iPhone any day, and frankly I imagine most folks put theirs in a case of some sort, thus it will be a non-issue.
That's all true - but it doesn't give the Apple haters ammunition. I think Google, HTC, and RIM are actively stirring up trouble. Look at some of the post profiles of people here.
Sorry but a cheap Toyota vs any American auto in the sameprice classis going to get spanked by Toyota. You have to spend $45,000 or more for a decent US auto and even then, your 45,000 is getting you a $25k car.
That's absolute nonsense. My current car is a Lexus. The car before that was a Buick Enclave. Before that, a different Lexus. Before that, an Acura. The Buick is every bit as good a car as the Lexus before and after it (in fact, it was better than the first Lexus I owned). Characterization of the Enclave as a "25 K car" is purely an indication that you don't know what you're talking about.
American car quality has, in general, improved a great deal. Several of the top rated cars are now American and the best American cars are certainly in the same ballpark as Honda or Toyota.
Apple's forums have been known to remove negative topics for any of their products well before this. This has little to do with the CR in particular though it is the point of the article.
That's true. Apple has always tried to limit their support forums to support questions and weed out the whiners and FUDsters. Why is it news (other than the Android fans are up in arms because they're losing one place to spread their FUD)?
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Consumer Report's flip flop only proves to me that they can be bought and their reports should be taken with a grain of salt.
The next iOS update will fix this issue and the world won't need consumer reports to filp flop again since they have been bought and paid for.
Time will tell.
I can see that point, but there is another side, maybe they realized their initial testing was flawed and the number of reported issues allowed them to realize that fact.
I would prefer a company that has the ability to say "we were wrong" rather than stick to the same conclusion for pride's sake. Of course, that assumes that their initial conclusion was wrong and they are not being bought out which is always a possibility...
Numerous threads pertaining to Consumer Reports' testing of the iPhone 4, which found reception issues, were removed from Apple's official online forums Monday.
Conspiracy theory fail.
Apple deleted a bunch of duplicate threads, that's all. People were spamming the forum with carbon copies of existing threads, so Apple decided to clean up. There's no reason why you need dozens of different threads discussing the same thing.
At this moment, there are several open threads on the report, so what's the whining all about?
While at least six threads were deleted, some were saved in caches and can still be viewed. The report noted that Apple has been known to delete threads that may be unflattering toward its products from the official online discussion forums.
Again, Apple has done no such thing. Apple deleted duplicate spam threads.
That is normal at Apple forums! I have been member of those for years. They now tell you in a feedback after removal that they disallow opinions on the forum. That is regardless if positive or negative... or simply alternative aproach, because original by Apple is lame and inefficient. They have simply some censors (probably overseas) who do not understand culture or what's going on, but they stick to the procedures and codes blindly. Same with some common jargon wording that is used even in published guide books for Apple products. They simply ban those in censorship. It happend to me with plain quote!
I wonder why they still allow name "Dick" showing up in posts. After all any word and phrase out of context can be percieved offensive.
That is why I do not go there so frequently and I'd rather exchange knowledge on many other Mac related forums including those related to software/hardware issues and fixes/workarounds. Let them appreciate at Apple if someone honors them with hint/tip how to fix problem... or let them work to research it and brag they were first with miracle solution.
I repect Apple, but I cannot accept those kinds of qualities applied to consumers helping each other as to Apple employees. We are not Apple employees and we are not bound by the company rules (secrets, not making any representations to Apple or expressing opinions about vendor products). If they do not understand that then good - more poeople to other forums (like macrumors.com or here on appleinsider.com). They can rate those few amateurs helping at Apple forum as much as they want, but perhaps more people will be in outside community. Perhaps Apple forums become slowly less of use.
greetings
That is not correct. Both CR and Anand state that the iPhone is better than other phones for phone calls. It's just not as much better if you hold it in a certain way.
I see you are still talking fud and like twisting the facts. You are not fooling anyone. People know the facts and your twisting statements can't change the facts. The fact is both CR and AnandTech said the iPhone 4 reception is bad when you hold it. And CR said the iPhone 4 reception is worse then the other phones they tested.
FDTD simulation of antenna coating effects on the radiation properties of cellular phones
Abstract
A detailed characterization of the effects of antenna coating on the performance of cellular phones is presented. The FDTD-based simulations show that antenna coating facilitates the reduction of the antenna length without jeopardizing the radiation properties of the antenna. However, the radiation efficiency is slightly affected.
I signed up for an Apple Support Communities account with my real name as the username. I posted a few guides and answered a few questions. After some time, I realized I made a mistake using my real name as the username and wanted my account to be deleted, along with my content, so it cannot be indexed by search engines.
Apple provides no way to contact them about forum accounts, so I tried the support feedback and waited for a few days. There was no response, so I emailed appleid. Still nothing.
Somehow I expected more from Apple but I guess they are busy deleting threads that are critical of their products.
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Originally Posted by Pineapple
I signed up for an Apple Support Communities account with my real name as the username. I posted a few guides and answered a few questions. After some time, I realized I made a mistake using my real name as the username and wanted my account to be deleted, along with my content, so it cannot be indexed by search engines.
Apple provides no way to contact them about forum accounts, so I tried the support feedback and waited for a few days. There was no response, so I emailed appleid. Still nothing.
I guess, Apple is busy deleting threads that are critical of their products.
This is not at all the place to vet this complaint. Don't hyperbolize and don't be foolish. Simply contact them again.
And don't thread necro when it's two years old.
my buddy's sister made $17506 last week. she been working on the internet and got a $528200 house. All she did was get fortunate and put into work the clues revealed on this website http://LazyCash34.com
They just happened to delete a post of my friend asked for iPhone 4 for iOS 5.1.1 update. You can follow the discussion here : https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3974394
This is what they said when they deleted the post;
Dear <>,
Recently you posted a poll on Apple Support Communities. We are including a copy of your message at the end of this email for your reference. We understand the desire to share experiences in your reply "Re: ios 5.1.1 Installation issues and known bugs," but because these posts are not allowed on our forums, we have removed your post.
These forums are intended for technical questions that can be answered by the community. We want everyone to be able to contribute to our forums and have their issues addressed. We feel that we have a very strong community and that it is an excellent resource for users to get assistance. I encourage you to continue using the Apple Support Communities while abiding by our terms of use. The Apple Support Communities Use Agreement, which also includes helpful information about using Apple Support Communities, is located at https://discussions.apple.com/static/apple/tutorial/tou.html
If you would like to share your experiences with Apple directly, you can submit feedback here: http://www.apple.com/feedback As part of submitting feedback, please read the Unsolicited Idea Submission Policy linked to the feedback page.
Best Regards,
Apple Support Communities Staff
A copy of your message for reference:
"Thanks guys. I am still looking for more answers. I need to pile up the list of issues and solutions too as I also work in an app developer environment developing business apps and need to analyse the risk to support our customers (so that we can set our minimum iOS recommendation to most stable or less buggy version). Whether the iOS 5.1.1 installation failure rate is 0.01% or 0.001% we need answers and your opiniions. Please blog this thread with as much information as you can."
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