I assume 'fanning' refers to fanning a flame, what's the j for? Joke?
Unlike you, I am not scared about posting under my real name. If you are that grown up that you need to make fun of peoples name, then I feel sorry for you.
The only people really affected by all these are Android trolls like you jealous of the iPhone 4.
I don't own an andriod phone, and I don't intend to purchase one either, I am not jealous of the iPhone 4, infact I am not jealous of a "phone" in general.
Here it is Saturday after a feeding frenzy. There are only 220 some posts to this thread-- mostly antis and pros (like myself) just hanging on... playing!
It is Sunday, has been for 16.5 hours, maybe the issue is you are living in the past.
Man you're a tool. So the problem is only valid if the phone is over $100? Go home.
Wow, you are hiding behind a fake name and the best insult you could come up with is "tool". Can't wait to see what you will think of when you turn 13.
The Nokia 1100 has the antenna in the upper back of the phone, it is not in the general location that people generally hold a phone. The iPhone has the antenna directly located where people hold the phone. When the phone itself costs at least six times more (I am only guessing as to the price of a Nokia 1100, the retail was probably less than $100) it should be a lot better. Apple stuffed up, and they are trying to worm their way out of it.
The whole thing is way overblown, to the point that it seems like there is an entity behind it. Apple is doing remarkably well in all aspects right now. This year alone, they released two blockbuster products and moved their Mac market share up to 10%, which must have more than a few people worried and or jealous.
I don't own an andriod phone, and I don't intend to purchase one either, I am not jealous of the iPhone 4, infact I am not jealous of a "phone" in general.
Nor do you seem to have any real point at all, besides wanting to recycle a bunch of already discredited criticism.
Do me a favor, use factual data to make comments and do not just use words for sake of it like 'massive'. It does not matter were you grip the phone on other smartphones, the point is the same effect happens. People grip their phones different depending on the design and their personal choice, so i doubt the way the experiments were undertaken in Apple labs are less credible.
This issue doesn't occur in the same was as Apple claims on all smartphones. I have tried serveral phones to replicate in a similar manner as Apple claimed and to replicate I would have to grab firmly around the screen to effect the siginal, and that would be pointless since I would have trouble seeing the screen. Apple designed the phone so you had no choice but to grab the antenna when holding it, do you have trouble with this "fact"
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Note: 0.55% of total ATT users registered an issue and return rate is 1/3 of that compared to 3GS.
So are you saying the 0.55% figure Jobs stated was US only, it doesn't include the people in Europe that also purchase the iPhone 4?
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Originally Posted by souliisoul
If I had been RIM and Nokia, I would have kept my mouth shut, because saying that its Apple's problem and you know, you have the same issue, well lets all act like ostrich stick our head in the ground.
Maybe Apple should have kept their mouths shut and not dragged others into their issue, after all it is the iPhone 4 that the iPhone users are having the issue with, not the other brands.
Nor do you seem to have any real point at all, besides wanting to recycle a bunch of already discredited criticism.
I beg your pardon? Maybe you should take off those Apple glasses of yours, or stop sucking at the Apple teat for a minute, the only discrediting taking place are by the people ignoring the issue.
I was planning on replacing my iPod classic with a new model iPod Touch later in the year, at the moment I have no confidence in doing that, I think I will just stay with the classic for a year or two longer.
I don't own an andriod phone, and I don't intend to purchase one either, I am not jealous of the iPhone 4, infact I am not jealous of a "phone" in general.
I beg your pardon? Maybe you should take off those Apple glasses of yours, or stop sucking at the Apple teat for a minute, the only discrediting taking place are by the people ignoring the issue.
Well, if you have a point, make it. So far, all you've done is, as I've said, recycle garbage.
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I was planning on replacing my iPod classic with a new model iPod Touch later in the year, at the moment I have no confidence in doing that, I think I will just stay with the classic for a year or two longer.
Yes, you should be very worried about the iPod Touch's cellular antenna. It may not be the product for you after all.
and yet they are subject to the same effect. they even have a warning about it in their documentation. the person posting the link is showing that evidence is out there that all phones are subject to it, to varying degrees, and that no-one is calling out other manufacturers to the extent that they are apple.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on what this proves. Perhaps they're not calling out Nokia, in this specific example, because they put it right there, in the product documentation, that antennas can be sensitive devices. On the other hand Apple claimed a design (and performance) victory in placing the antenna directly in contact with the environment. You shout it from the mountain tops, and any competitor and any purchaser is going to pay more attention to it as a 'feature'. To address your point below, I think this is why people care about it. A bit of tall poppy as well.
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edit: additionally, given that the issue meaningfully effects such a very small number of iPhone 4 users, why is it that whilst "no-one cares about" similar issues with other phones all and sundry seems to care about this issue in apple's phone?
I am two minds as to whether I will plump for the iPhone on this news. I am one of the people who prefers to have the phone without a cover. I am also left handed, and I also handle the phone (presently I have a 3GS) in a way that 'bridges' the achilles heel of the phone. If it's a manufacturing issue then do I take the risk that I get a good one? The repair policy here is to send the device away which means I would be without the phone for a week at a time. Another option is to pay for an 'advanced exchange program' where I get slugged $100 to have Apple post me a replacement and I send the dud one back. That is an option I won't be taking. The third is to drive four hours to the nearest Apple church and I sure as hell won't be doing that.
Given I have a Macbook inside which the only original part remaining is the DVD Drive and that I am on my second warranty 3GS these are realistic considerations for me. I don't particularly mistreat my devices but I can say that in my experience Apple's stuff looks great but are physically so-so. I will say that the 1gen iPod touch I have has been to hell and back and hasn't missed a beat.
If it's an outright design issue, and reports I've read here and elsewhere conflict, then it's a no-brainer. I am keeping my 3GS and will wait for the next iPhone.
Like I said in a previous post I think Apple's done about what they can do to mitigate. I guess it's up to the media as to whether they swallow what they've been fed. They need to be placated because hardly anyone in Apple's crosshairs get their Apple fix from Appleinsider/MacRumors/TUAW.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on what this proves. Perhaps they're not calling out Nokia, in this specific example, because they put it right there, in the product documentation, that antennas can be sensitive devices. On the other hand Apple claimed a design (and performance) victory in placing the antenna directly in contact with the environment. You shout it from the mountain tops, and any competitor and any purchaser is going to pay more attention to it as a 'feature'. To address your point below, I think this is why people care about it. A bit of tall poppy as well.
I am two minds as to whether I will plump for the iPhone on this news. I am one of the people who prefers to have the phone without a cover. I am also left handed, and I also handle the phone (presently I have a 3GS) in a way that 'bridges' the achilles heel of the phone. If it's a manufacturing issue then do I take the risk that I get a good one? The repair policy here is to send the device away which means I would be without the phone for a week at a time. Another option is to pay for an 'advanced exchange program' where I get slugged $100 to have Apple post me a replacement and I send the dud one back. That is an option I won't be taking. The third is to drive four hours to the nearest Apple church and I sure as hell won't be doing that.
Given I have a Macbook inside which the only original part remaining is the DVD Drive and that I am on my second warranty 3GS these are realistic considerations for me. I don't particularly mistreat my devices but I can say that in my experience Apple's stuff looks great but are physically so-so. I will say that the 1gen iPod touch I have has been to hell and back and hasn't missed a beat.
If it's an outright design issue, and reports I've read here and elsewhere conflict, then it's a no-brainer. I am keeping my 3GS and will wait for the next iPhone.
Like I said in a previous post I think Apple's done about what they can do to mitigate. I guess it's up to the media as to whether they swallow what they've been fed. They need to be placated because hardly anyone in Apple's crosshairs get their Apple fix from Appleinsider/MacRumors/TUAW.
tough call mate - tough call
The way I see it is if Apple we're to redesign the phone they'd move the antenna inside - which would be equivalent to the iP4+Cover which is available now. So it comes down to do you need the iP4 features ? if not don't change, if you do, go for it
The 1100 is a dual band 2G GSM phone, it has no WiFi, Bluetooth or 3G radios to take into consideration.
It is useless as a comparison.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Wow, you are hiding behind a fake name and the best insult you could come up with is "tool". Can't wait to see what you will think of when you turn 13.
The Nokia 1100 has the antenna in the upper back of the phone, it is not in the general location that people generally hold a phone. The iPhone has the antenna directly located where people hold the phone. When the phone itself costs at least six times more (I am only guessing as to the price of a Nokia 1100, the retail was probably less than $100) it should be a lot better. Apple stuffed up, and they are trying to worm their way out of it.
Detuning an attenuation are not the same thing. They said bumpers until September 30th because they'll change the antenna in some way by then. I can wait, and I will.
I don't know how they'll do it, but I'm going to wait as well just in case they do have an even better solution than the curret one and one that makes it even that much better than the competition.
Did anyone is as sensitive as I'm when using cell phones? My head gets heated up after good 5 minutes of use....guess what phones? Many models of Nokia, Ericsson and Sony Ericssion. Make another guess.....all these phones of the past hangs! I've given up even the most simplest of phones from them.....but I've no choice to carry the current Nokia 5370, due to company's requirement to carry one, which also has a mind of its own...hangs!
Decided I'm going to get one iPhone4 once its available in little red dot....if it cooks my brain or just works 7x24...365.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on what this proves. Perhaps they're not calling out Nokia, in this specific example, because they put it right there, in the product documentation, that antennas can be sensitive devices. On the other hand Apple claimed a design (and performance) victory in placing the antenna directly in contact with the environment. You shout it from the mountain tops, and any competitor and any purchaser is going to pay more attention to it as a 'feature'. To address your point below, I think this is why people care about it. A bit of tall poppy as well.
well, this "feature" has been rated the best in class by many reviews, despite the issue at hand.
See you would fall in that 0.55% figure that jobs pulled out. You would be suprised to see the actual number of people that complain about an issue they have.
no, i just don't believe that there are vast numbers of people out there who cbf'd calling apple care and are willing to spend thousands of dollars in putting up with a faulty product.
the problem here is the media storm over this issue. Does the phone have a design flaw? It looks like it. But it only appears to affect a small portion of users. That doesn't make it okay. That doesn't make it acceptable, but for crying out loud it's not the end of the world! Especially when other phones exhibit that same behaviour, yet no one goes loopy over that.
Apple's competitors see this as an opportunity to get some bad press for apple. But don't dare expose the same flaws in their phone! That's not allowed! What a flipping joke!
Apple pride themselves on having high standards and executing well. At no time have i ever heard steve or apple claim that they are perfect. They're not perfect. They will screw up from time to time.
There is no proof that they chose aesthetics over performance. Since this problem is not affecting all phones, it's not unreasonable to consider that it may simply be a manufacturing flaw? Perhaps they thought that they had a way to make this work well, but there are some problems that they didn't foresee.
All apple did was put the signal strength situation in perspective by demonstrating that many other phones suffer from the same thing. They admitted that they are not perfect. They admitted as hard as they try, the iphone 4 isn't perfect nor were the previous flavours of iphone. They offered a free bumper or case for anyone who is having difficulty while they determine the best way to deal with this situation and fix it right. If you're still not happy, they'll give you a full refund. What is not to like about that?
Also, i'd like to remind people that there is always a certain amount of risk buying the first version of anything, whether it's a car, a computer or phone. If you have to be the first one on the block with a new toy, you run the risk of it not being perfect and you usually pay top dollar. That's just the way it is.
I think that apple's response is totally reasonable. Mind you some of steve's off-the-cuff comments early on were probably not the best... But that's steve ? you take the good with the bad.
Rim, nokia, htc's phones are good, but far from perfect, yet no one is jumping up and down screaming about their shortcomings. No apple's competitors are pissed that apple has done so well in the smartphone arena so they become the target. I'm certainly not going over to a pro-rim site and start talking trash about rim. They make decent stuff and we can all buy whatever phone we want we don't all have to use the same phone!
I have friends and family that have been through two to four rim phones in the two years that i've had the same iphone 3g, and i don't go around criticizing there choice of phone. What's the point?
At the end of the day, rim, nokia and the rest feel threatened by apple's success and i don't even understand that, there is plenty of market share for everyone to do well.
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I assume 'fanning' refers to fanning a flame, what's the j for? Joke?
Unlike you, I am not scared about posting under my real name. If you are that grown up that you need to make fun of peoples name, then I feel sorry for you.
The only people really affected by all these are Android trolls like you jealous of the iPhone 4.
I don't own an andriod phone, and I don't intend to purchase one either, I am not jealous of the iPhone 4, infact I am not jealous of a "phone" in general.
Here it is Saturday after a feeding frenzy. There are only 220 some posts to this thread-- mostly antis and pros (like myself) just hanging on... playing!
It is Sunday, has been for 16.5 hours, maybe the issue is you are living in the past.
Man you're a tool. So the problem is only valid if the phone is over $100? Go home.
Wow, you are hiding behind a fake name and the best insult you could come up with is "tool". Can't wait to see what you will think of when you turn 13.
The Nokia 1100 has the antenna in the upper back of the phone, it is not in the general location that people generally hold a phone. The iPhone has the antenna directly located where people hold the phone. When the phone itself costs at least six times more (I am only guessing as to the price of a Nokia 1100, the retail was probably less than $100) it should be a lot better. Apple stuffed up, and they are trying to worm their way out of it.
The whole thing is way overblown, to the point that it seems like there is an entity behind it. Apple is doing remarkably well in all aspects right now. This year alone, they released two blockbuster products and moved their Mac market share up to 10%, which must have more than a few people worried and or jealous.
i can bet you its
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I don't own an andriod phone, and I don't intend to purchase one either, I am not jealous of the iPhone 4, infact I am not jealous of a "phone" in general.
Nor do you seem to have any real point at all, besides wanting to recycle a bunch of already discredited criticism.
Do me a favor, use factual data to make comments and do not just use words for sake of it like 'massive'. It does not matter were you grip the phone on other smartphones, the point is the same effect happens. People grip their phones different depending on the design and their personal choice, so i doubt the way the experiments were undertaken in Apple labs are less credible.
This issue doesn't occur in the same was as Apple claims on all smartphones. I have tried serveral phones to replicate in a similar manner as Apple claimed and to replicate I would have to grab firmly around the screen to effect the siginal, and that would be pointless since I would have trouble seeing the screen. Apple designed the phone so you had no choice but to grab the antenna when holding it, do you have trouble with this "fact"
Note: 0.55% of total ATT users registered an issue and return rate is 1/3 of that compared to 3GS.
So are you saying the 0.55% figure Jobs stated was US only, it doesn't include the people in Europe that also purchase the iPhone 4?
If I had been RIM and Nokia, I would have kept my mouth shut, because saying that its Apple's problem and you know, you have the same issue, well lets all act like ostrich stick our head in the ground.
Maybe Apple should have kept their mouths shut and not dragged others into their issue, after all it is the iPhone 4 that the iPhone users are having the issue with, not the other brands.
Nor do you seem to have any real point at all, besides wanting to recycle a bunch of already discredited criticism.
I beg your pardon? Maybe you should take off those Apple glasses of yours, or stop sucking at the Apple teat for a minute, the only discrediting taking place are by the people ignoring the issue.
I was planning on replacing my iPod classic with a new model iPod Touch later in the year, at the moment I have no confidence in doing that, I think I will just stay with the classic for a year or two longer.
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As I said, i don't own any Android devices, so why would I post there? I do own several Apple devices though, hence why I am here.
But doesn't Apple like telling people that their products are "magical"?
Yes, but didn't Arthur C. Clarke say "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"?
I don't own an andriod phone, and I don't intend to purchase one either, I am not jealous of the iPhone 4, infact I am not jealous of a "phone" in general.
yes you are.
I beg your pardon? Maybe you should take off those Apple glasses of yours, or stop sucking at the Apple teat for a minute, the only discrediting taking place are by the people ignoring the issue.
Well, if you have a point, make it. So far, all you've done is, as I've said, recycle garbage.
I was planning on replacing my iPod classic with a new model iPod Touch later in the year, at the moment I have no confidence in doing that, I think I will just stay with the classic for a year or two longer.
Yes, you should be very worried about the iPod Touch's cellular antenna. It may not be the product for you after all.
and yet they are subject to the same effect. they even have a warning about it in their documentation. the person posting the link is showing that evidence is out there that all phones are subject to it, to varying degrees, and that no-one is calling out other manufacturers to the extent that they are apple.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on what this proves. Perhaps they're not calling out Nokia, in this specific example, because they put it right there, in the product documentation, that antennas can be sensitive devices. On the other hand Apple claimed a design (and performance) victory in placing the antenna directly in contact with the environment. You shout it from the mountain tops, and any competitor and any purchaser is going to pay more attention to it as a 'feature'. To address your point below, I think this is why people care about it. A bit of tall poppy as well.
edit: additionally, given that the issue meaningfully effects such a very small number of iPhone 4 users, why is it that whilst "no-one cares about" similar issues with other phones all and sundry seems to care about this issue in apple's phone?
I am two minds as to whether I will plump for the iPhone on this news. I am one of the people who prefers to have the phone without a cover. I am also left handed, and I also handle the phone (presently I have a 3GS) in a way that 'bridges' the achilles heel of the phone. If it's a manufacturing issue then do I take the risk that I get a good one? The repair policy here is to send the device away which means I would be without the phone for a week at a time. Another option is to pay for an 'advanced exchange program' where I get slugged $100 to have Apple post me a replacement and I send the dud one back. That is an option I won't be taking. The third is to drive four hours to the nearest Apple church and I sure as hell won't be doing that.
Given I have a Macbook inside which the only original part remaining is the DVD Drive and that I am on my second warranty 3GS these are realistic considerations for me. I don't particularly mistreat my devices but I can say that in my experience Apple's stuff looks great but are physically so-so. I will say that the 1gen iPod touch I have has been to hell and back and hasn't missed a beat.
If it's an outright design issue, and reports I've read here and elsewhere conflict, then it's a no-brainer. I am keeping my 3GS and will wait for the next iPhone.
Like I said in a previous post I think Apple's done about what they can do to mitigate. I guess it's up to the media as to whether they swallow what they've been fed. They need to be placated because hardly anyone in Apple's crosshairs get their Apple fix from Appleinsider/MacRumors/TUAW.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on what this proves. Perhaps they're not calling out Nokia, in this specific example, because they put it right there, in the product documentation, that antennas can be sensitive devices. On the other hand Apple claimed a design (and performance) victory in placing the antenna directly in contact with the environment. You shout it from the mountain tops, and any competitor and any purchaser is going to pay more attention to it as a 'feature'. To address your point below, I think this is why people care about it. A bit of tall poppy as well.
I am two minds as to whether I will plump for the iPhone on this news. I am one of the people who prefers to have the phone without a cover. I am also left handed, and I also handle the phone (presently I have a 3GS) in a way that 'bridges' the achilles heel of the phone. If it's a manufacturing issue then do I take the risk that I get a good one? The repair policy here is to send the device away which means I would be without the phone for a week at a time. Another option is to pay for an 'advanced exchange program' where I get slugged $100 to have Apple post me a replacement and I send the dud one back. That is an option I won't be taking. The third is to drive four hours to the nearest Apple church and I sure as hell won't be doing that.
Given I have a Macbook inside which the only original part remaining is the DVD Drive and that I am on my second warranty 3GS these are realistic considerations for me. I don't particularly mistreat my devices but I can say that in my experience Apple's stuff looks great but are physically so-so. I will say that the 1gen iPod touch I have has been to hell and back and hasn't missed a beat.
If it's an outright design issue, and reports I've read here and elsewhere conflict, then it's a no-brainer. I am keeping my 3GS and will wait for the next iPhone.
Like I said in a previous post I think Apple's done about what they can do to mitigate. I guess it's up to the media as to whether they swallow what they've been fed. They need to be placated because hardly anyone in Apple's crosshairs get their Apple fix from Appleinsider/MacRumors/TUAW.
tough call mate - tough call
The way I see it is if Apple we're to redesign the phone they'd move the antenna inside - which would be equivalent to the iP4+Cover which is available now. So it comes down to do you need the iP4 features ? if not don't change, if you do, go for it
It is useless as a comparison.
Wow, you are hiding behind a fake name and the best insult you could come up with is "tool". Can't wait to see what you will think of when you turn 13.
The Nokia 1100 has the antenna in the upper back of the phone, it is not in the general location that people generally hold a phone. The iPhone has the antenna directly located where people hold the phone. When the phone itself costs at least six times more (I am only guessing as to the price of a Nokia 1100, the retail was probably less than $100) it should be a lot better. Apple stuffed up, and they are trying to worm their way out of it.
Detuning an attenuation are not the same thing. They said bumpers until September 30th because they'll change the antenna in some way by then. I can wait, and I will.
I don't know how they'll do it, but I'm going to wait as well just in case they do have an even better solution than the curret one and one that makes it even that much better than the competition.
Decided I'm going to get one iPhone4 once its available in little red dot....if it cooks my brain or just works 7x24...365.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on what this proves. Perhaps they're not calling out Nokia, in this specific example, because they put it right there, in the product documentation, that antennas can be sensitive devices. On the other hand Apple claimed a design (and performance) victory in placing the antenna directly in contact with the environment. You shout it from the mountain tops, and any competitor and any purchaser is going to pay more attention to it as a 'feature'. To address your point below, I think this is why people care about it. A bit of tall poppy as well.
well, this "feature" has been rated the best in class by many reviews, despite the issue at hand.
See you would fall in that 0.55% figure that jobs pulled out. You would be suprised to see the actual number of people that complain about an issue they have.
no, i just don't believe that there are vast numbers of people out there who cbf'd calling apple care and are willing to spend thousands of dollars in putting up with a faulty product.
the problem here is the media storm over this issue. Does the phone have a design flaw? It looks like it. But it only appears to affect a small portion of users. That doesn't make it okay. That doesn't make it acceptable, but for crying out loud it's not the end of the world! Especially when other phones exhibit that same behaviour, yet no one goes loopy over that.
Apple's competitors see this as an opportunity to get some bad press for apple. But don't dare expose the same flaws in their phone! That's not allowed! What a flipping joke!
Apple pride themselves on having high standards and executing well. At no time have i ever heard steve or apple claim that they are perfect. They're not perfect. They will screw up from time to time.
There is no proof that they chose aesthetics over performance. Since this problem is not affecting all phones, it's not unreasonable to consider that it may simply be a manufacturing flaw? Perhaps they thought that they had a way to make this work well, but there are some problems that they didn't foresee.
All apple did was put the signal strength situation in perspective by demonstrating that many other phones suffer from the same thing. They admitted that they are not perfect. They admitted as hard as they try, the iphone 4 isn't perfect nor were the previous flavours of iphone. They offered a free bumper or case for anyone who is having difficulty while they determine the best way to deal with this situation and fix it right. If you're still not happy, they'll give you a full refund. What is not to like about that?
Also, i'd like to remind people that there is always a certain amount of risk buying the first version of anything, whether it's a car, a computer or phone. If you have to be the first one on the block with a new toy, you run the risk of it not being perfect and you usually pay top dollar. That's just the way it is.
I think that apple's response is totally reasonable. Mind you some of steve's off-the-cuff comments early on were probably not the best... But that's steve ? you take the good with the bad.
Rim, nokia, htc's phones are good, but far from perfect, yet no one is jumping up and down screaming about their shortcomings. No apple's competitors are pissed that apple has done so well in the smartphone arena so they become the target. I'm certainly not going over to a pro-rim site and start talking trash about rim. They make decent stuff and we can all buy whatever phone we want we don't all have to use the same phone!
I have friends and family that have been through two to four rim phones in the two years that i've had the same iphone 3g, and i don't go around criticizing there choice of phone. What's the point?
At the end of the day, rim, nokia and the rest feel threatened by apple's success and i don't even understand that, there is plenty of market share for everyone to do well.
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