How often do you make a cellular phone call using one finger? Midas touch? Or some acrobatic hold?
I was just wondering about the exact same thing. And honestly I couldn't come up with a way to manage a smartphone, be it for actual calls or web surfing, using only One finger. It' so unbelievable. But i have to admit I feel very entertained!!
I would respectfully lay out a simple question with a short preamble to sollipsm and Dick Applebaum if I may:
Like him or distrust him, Barrack Obama has proven to be a man of conciliation; one has only to look to his legislative record in the last 18 months or so. He got things done on pure negotiating skills, first with conjuncture and last but not least, with a volatile Congress. His record speaks for itself.
On the basis of Rush Limbaugh's attitude and inflammatory comments toward the President, and the latter's propensity to favor dialogue over confrontational challenges, should you not conclude that there are instances in life when a man's emotional instability and psychological fixation get the better of his otherwise negotiable rationales?
Certainly, I don't want to get into a political discussion on a forum where I neither know nor see the participants, FWIW, you, I, Sol, or anyone could be on Obama's, Limbaugh's, Franken's, Palin's... staff. I don't believe there is any value to that kind of blind, uninformed discussion...
Earlier I made a post that contained a link to a Rush Limbaugh show transcript.
I was upbraided for posting that link!
I defended the link, saying that like/agree with him or not, Rush Limbaugh had a very high accuracy (based on fact) rating prepared by an independent auditing agency,
At the time, I could not find a citation, but promised I would continue searching and post it later.
Unfortunately, I am unable to provide a reliable citation. The "independent agency" that does the audit is the Sullivan Group:
Because before the stats were released, they were screaming that 30-50% of iPhone 4's were affected. But with only around .55% actually affected and a negligible return rate above 1%, it's hard for the "design flaw" tag to stick. Now, they're just arguing about any and everything trying to save face. I guess it's hard to admit when you're wrong.
We could talk about the next iPhone 4 killer, but Apple won?t release it until next Summer.
Seriously, do you think they?ll keep the same physical design for 2 cycles, like they did with the 3G and 3GS despite the major internal changes so you don?t have to get new accessories as often or wait for months after each new release for accessories to hit the market?
That is very true. I have returned about half the electronic related products I have bought.
+1 on this. I am very, very picky, and almost never return an Apple product.
In reading all of the strong feelings on this topic, name calling, etc, it seems like the bottom line is that everyone really wants the phone to work perfect, we want to own it, to keep it. I personally was a bit bummed when I felt like I might have to go back to a 3Gs for a while, I do really like the phone otherwise.
Only if you already have a very low signal, so not really much of a point you're making there.
Ok. Let's attack this from the other direction. Are there any other phones current out there where, if you touch a single spot, you can lose your entire signal? This is what I perceive to be the real issue (regardless of whether people think it's a non-starter in the first place). The attenuation issue is hardly a dirty little secret. It's been in Nokia's documentation for years, as has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread. All this talk of gripping and 'their's does it too' is diverting from the what I think is the substantive point.
No I don't have an iPhone 4, but I am contemplating it. I update my 3GS to 4.0.1 last night and my signal is now three instead of five. Now that it's more 'accurate' it would appear I now live in an area where the signal could be affected negatively by the phenomenon: the 'death touch' you might more accurately say.
I update my 3GS to 4.0.1 last night and my signal is now three instead of five. Now that it's more 'accurate' it would appear I now live in an area where the signal could be affected negatively by the phenomenon: the 'death touch' you might more accurately say.
it was never “inaccruate”. The only way the bars could be inaccurate is for more bars to represent less signal strength than less bars and vice versa.
Hopefully we’ll get a standard by which the bars have to be stated or a complete removal of the bars altogether because right now they are whatever developer wishes them to represent.
Ok. Let's attack this from the other direction. Are there any other phones current out there where, if you touch a single spot, you can lose your entire signal? This is what I perceive to be the real issue (regardless of whether people think it's a non-starter in the first place). The attenuation issue is hardly a dirty little secret. It's been in Nokia's documentation for years, as has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread. All this talk of gripping and 'their's does it too' is diverting from the what I think is the substantive point.
No I don't have an iPhone 4, but I am contemplating it. I update my 3GS to 4.0.1 last night and my signal is now three instead of five. Now that it's more 'accurate' it would appear I now live in an area where the signal could be affected negatively by the phenomenon: the 'death touch' you might more accurately say.
Look at the converse: Are there any phones out there (that you want) where you could fix it's major drawback(s) with a $30 case or a 1 cent piece of tape,
... it realy depends on what you want! All of your (or my) pissin' an moaning' ain't gonna' change the other's mind.
... aside from you and me, nobody and nothin's perfect... and I'm not too sure about you!
it was never “inaccruate”. The only way the bars could be inaccurate is for more bars to represent less signal than less bars and vice versa.
Hopefully we’ll get a standard by which the bars have to be stated or a complete removal of the bars altogether because right now they are whatever developer wishes them to represent.
... Ha! I'll take, your 4 bars, and I'll raise you 3 bars...
We could talk about the next iPhone 4 killer, but Apple won?t release it until next Summer.
Seriously, do you think they?ll keep the same physical design for 2 cycles, like they did with the 3G and 3GS despite the major internal changes so you don?t have to get new accessories as often or wait for months after each new release for accessories to hit the market?
It wouldn't surprise me if they kept this design for a couple of cycles - it's really beautiful. After checking some of their recent patents, I'm expecting solar panels, maybe the same camera on the front as on the rear, a new Bluetooth radio, and a 5 ghz capable wifi radio.
I'm already looking forward to iP5 - it just keeps getting better and better.
That's just not true. Apple is consistently at the highest in customer service ratings for the Mac, and even though I don't think they handled "Antennagate" as well as they could have, satisfaction with the iPhone is in the stratosphere also. Writing something as demonstrably false as this makes it clear you don't have the facts.
Customer service quality, and engineering quality are two different things. If somethings breaks, and it is fixed well, and the customer is handled nicely they will give a higher customer service score.
Here is one report from late last year, maybe they should have it referenced by retail price.
What a ridiculous thing to say. And then lower down you claim you aren't a troll? What a laugh.
The facts are entirely opposite to your assertion. Apple has a history of fantastic engineering, extremely low return rates and ranks the highest of any company in surveys of customer satisfaction.
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Why are you comparing three different things. Engineering quality, returns, and customer service are three very different things.
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How often do you make a cellular phone call using one finger? Midas touch? Or some acrobatic hold?
I was just wondering about the exact same thing. And honestly I couldn't come up with a way to manage a smartphone, be it for actual calls or web surfing, using only One finger. It' so unbelievable. But i have to admit I feel very entertained!!
I would respectfully lay out a simple question with a short preamble to sollipsm and Dick Applebaum if I may:
Like him or distrust him, Barrack Obama has proven to be a man of conciliation; one has only to look to his legislative record in the last 18 months or so. He got things done on pure negotiating skills, first with conjuncture and last but not least, with a volatile Congress. His record speaks for itself.
On the basis of Rush Limbaugh's attitude and inflammatory comments toward the President, and the latter's propensity to favor dialogue over confrontational challenges, should you not conclude that there are instances in life when a man's emotional instability and psychological fixation get the better of his otherwise negotiable rationales?
Certainly, I don't want to get into a political discussion on a forum where I neither know nor see the participants, FWIW, you, I, Sol, or anyone could be on Obama's, Limbaugh's, Franken's, Palin's... staff. I don't believe there is any value to that kind of blind, uninformed discussion...
... and I know-- don't call you "Certainly!"
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Kinda' pimped-out isn't it
Would you use a phone that looked like that in the presence of your mother (or anyone)?
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It looks like phones you buy per kilogramm!
The iPhone 4 antenna can actually be killed by just a touch of a finger - Palming in not even required. ...
Only if you already have a very low signal, so not really much of a point you're making there.
Mea Culpa!
Earlier I made a post that contained a link to a Rush Limbaugh show transcript.
I was upbraided for posting that link!
I defended the link, saying that like/agree with him or not, Rush Limbaugh had a very high accuracy (based on fact) rating prepared by an independent auditing agency,
At the time, I could not find a citation, but promised I would continue searching and post it later.
Unfortunately, I am unable to provide a reliable citation. The "independent agency" that does the audit is the Sullivan Group:
http://www.sullivangroup.net/
They provide no reference to an audit and, apparently, refuse to discuss any connection with Rush Limbaugh.
I can find no proof that any audit was ever performed, not to mention the methodology of such an audit.
I based some of my refutations and comments on that audit,
For that I apologize! I spoke without the knowledge I purported to have. I was wrong!
Here are some links (you have to search through them for mention of "sullivan").
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...5101552AAGwd4Z:
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/0...sh-was-righter
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...104.guest.html
There are more, if you care to google "sullivan group" or "rush limbaugh accuracy".
Here is the link to the original Rush Limbaugh Show transcript:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...108.guest.html
That will stand or fall on it's own merits
Again, I was wrong! I apologize!
I especially apologize to @ Prof. Peabody!
... sadder, but (hopefully) wiser...
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Wow, what will the great Quadra come up with next. Calling someone a troll, wow, the massive wit this person has is above all else.
Remember people, these are the Appleinsider troll definitions.
1. Disagree with something Apple does - You are a troll
2. Disagree with someone else here that is pro-Apple - You are a troll
3. Disagree with anyone on any topic - You are a troll
You seem to fullfill all three categories with a perfect match this would specify you as a tripple troll.
I own an iPhone 4 you DONT so why do you care?
Because before the stats were released, they were screaming that 30-50% of iPhone 4's were affected. But with only around .55% actually affected and a negligible return rate above 1%, it's hard for the "design flaw" tag to stick. Now, they're just arguing about any and everything trying to save face. I guess it's hard to admit when you're wrong.
Let's tally the score.
Media: 0
iPhone: 1
It looks like phones you buy per kilogramm!
Do they provide papers or a pipe with that? (I could use something a little stronger than my Martini, about now!)
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Let's talk about the latest iPhone killer.
We could talk about the next iPhone 4 killer, but Apple won?t release it until next Summer.
Seriously, do you think they?ll keep the same physical design for 2 cycles, like they did with the 3G and 3GS despite the major internal changes so you don?t have to get new accessories as often or wait for months after each new release for accessories to hit the market?
That is very true. I have returned about half the electronic related products I have bought.
+1 on this. I am very, very picky, and almost never return an Apple product.
In reading all of the strong feelings on this topic, name calling, etc, it seems like the bottom line is that everyone really wants the phone to work perfect, we want to own it, to keep it. I personally was a bit bummed when I felt like I might have to go back to a 3Gs for a while, I do really like the phone otherwise.
Only if you already have a very low signal, so not really much of a point you're making there.
Ok. Let's attack this from the other direction. Are there any other phones current out there where, if you touch a single spot, you can lose your entire signal? This is what I perceive to be the real issue (regardless of whether people think it's a non-starter in the first place). The attenuation issue is hardly a dirty little secret. It's been in Nokia's documentation for years, as has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread. All this talk of gripping and 'their's does it too' is diverting from the what I think is the substantive point.
No I don't have an iPhone 4, but I am contemplating it. I update my 3GS to 4.0.1 last night and my signal is now three instead of five. Now that it's more 'accurate' it would appear I now live in an area where the signal could be affected negatively by the phenomenon: the 'death touch' you might more accurately say.
Return Rate
Nokia 20%
Blackberry: 35-50%
VERSUS
iPhone 3GS 6%
iPhone 4 1.77%
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=111484
I update my 3GS to 4.0.1 last night and my signal is now three instead of five. Now that it's more 'accurate' it would appear I now live in an area where the signal could be affected negatively by the phenomenon: the 'death touch' you might more accurately say.
it was never “inaccruate”. The only way the bars could be inaccurate is for more bars to represent less signal strength than less bars and vice versa.
Hopefully we’ll get a standard by which the bars have to be stated or a complete removal of the bars altogether because right now they are whatever developer wishes them to represent.
Ok. Let's attack this from the other direction. Are there any other phones current out there where, if you touch a single spot, you can lose your entire signal? This is what I perceive to be the real issue (regardless of whether people think it's a non-starter in the first place). The attenuation issue is hardly a dirty little secret. It's been in Nokia's documentation for years, as has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread. All this talk of gripping and 'their's does it too' is diverting from the what I think is the substantive point.
No I don't have an iPhone 4, but I am contemplating it. I update my 3GS to 4.0.1 last night and my signal is now three instead of five. Now that it's more 'accurate' it would appear I now live in an area where the signal could be affected negatively by the phenomenon: the 'death touch' you might more accurately say.
Look at the converse: Are there any phones out there (that you want) where you could fix it's major drawback(s) with a $30 case or a 1 cent piece of tape,
... it realy depends on what you want! All of your (or my) pissin' an moaning' ain't gonna' change the other's mind.
... aside from you and me, nobody and nothin's perfect... and I'm not too sure about you!
.
it was never “inaccruate”. The only way the bars could be inaccurate is for more bars to represent less signal than less bars and vice versa.
Hopefully we’ll get a standard by which the bars have to be stated or a complete removal of the bars altogether because right now they are whatever developer wishes them to represent.
... Ha! I'll take, your 4 bars, and I'll raise you 3 bars...
er, ah... What's a bar?
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We could talk about the next iPhone 4 killer, but Apple won?t release it until next Summer.
Seriously, do you think they?ll keep the same physical design for 2 cycles, like they did with the 3G and 3GS despite the major internal changes so you don?t have to get new accessories as often or wait for months after each new release for accessories to hit the market?
It wouldn't surprise me if they kept this design for a couple of cycles - it's really beautiful. After checking some of their recent patents, I'm expecting solar panels, maybe the same camera on the front as on the rear, a new Bluetooth radio, and a 5 ghz capable wifi radio.
I'm already looking forward to iP5 - it just keeps getting better and better.
Do you have a source for these or did you pull them out of your ass?
There is a provided link in the post you quoted.
That's just not true. Apple is consistently at the highest in customer service ratings for the Mac, and even though I don't think they handled "Antennagate" as well as they could have, satisfaction with the iPhone is in the stratosphere also. Writing something as demonstrably false as this makes it clear you don't have the facts.
Customer service quality, and engineering quality are two different things. If somethings breaks, and it is fixed well, and the customer is handled nicely they will give a higher customer service score.
Here is one report from late last year, maybe they should have it referenced by retail price.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/l...-win-hp-fails/
What. Too lazy to look it up yourself?
Start with CR. They post that info on a fairly regular basis.
No, not lazy, I didn't make the claim in the first place, so you provide the data if you think it exists.
What a ridiculous thing to say. And then lower down you claim you aren't a troll? What a laugh.
The facts are entirely opposite to your assertion. Apple has a history of fantastic engineering, extremely low return rates and ranks the highest of any company in surveys of customer satisfaction.
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Why are you comparing three different things. Engineering quality, returns, and customer service are three very different things.