And, even if they do move it inside the case, you will still have attenuation as it is a common problem no matter where you put the antenna. He will not be a buyer regardless. He just likes to bash Apple. It doesn't take long reading his posts to figure that one out.
He will probably stick to fixed net phones or maybe he is still using bush- drums?!
Apple has had a history of poor engineering, they rank low in quality surveys. I have had 50% of my Macs fail. You can call me a troll all you like, live in your little dream world all you like.
I can't say that I have had 0% failure in my Macs over the 23 years that I have been using them. My brother managed to kill one of them, but there may have been cruel and unusual circumstances that caused it. Fortunately I was delighted that Apple fixed it out of warranty, for an incredibly reasonable amount. Anecdotally, I doubt that would have been the case with any other manufacturer. As far as Apple products are concerned they are night and day better designed, better engineered and better manufactured than anything else out there in my experience.
They don't always give me what I want, when I want it and that can be frustrating. But nothing is perfect in this world and certainly not in tech. There's a reason why Apple is so large now by market cap, it's because they provide the best available consumer experience and hence satisfaction in their sector.
I'm a 3GS user and yes I'm waiting to see what happens with this - so I can't say iP4 works for me. But after 23 years experience my trust is in this company to produce great products that enhance our lives above all others.
Steve looked pissed (angry for you Brits)..... I can't fault him for that. Personally I like the emphasis he put on the word "yet" in relation to the laws of physics comment.
People like you, that make claims like this - "I've been a Mac user since 19__, and Apple sucks" -- just don't have any credibility. You either don't own and maybe never have owned anything sold by Apple, are counting 15 year old systems in your numbers, or are completely irrational. I wouldn't keep buying Macs if 50% of them failed. No one else would either. Why would they. So it's not believable that you are a Mac owner with a 50% failure rate, and keep buying Apple hardware, and do nothing but come on here and engage in Apple bashing. Basic credibility gap.
Actually, it's perfectly possible if the said user is near brain dead.
Seriously though, it?s not about reading then parroting someone you disagree with, but by understanding why you two differ, so you can better formulate an argument (or defense) in a way to make the opposition understand and ultimate succumb to your point of view.
I would respectfully lay out a simple question with a short preamble to sollipsm and Dick Applebaum if I may:
Like him or distrust him, Barrack Obama has proven to be a man of conciliation; one has only to look to his legislative record in the last 18 months or so. He got things done on pure negotiating skills, first with conjuncture and last but not least, with a volatile Congress. His record speaks for itself.
On the basis of Rush Limbaugh's attitude and inflammatory comments toward the President, and the latter's propensity to favor dialogue over confrontational challenges, should you not conclude that there are instances in life when a man's emotional instability and psychological fixation get the better of his otherwise negotiable rationales?
The whole thing is way overblown, to the point that it seems like there is an entity behind it. Apple is doing remarkably well in all aspects right now. This year alone, they released two blockbuster products and moved their Mac market share up to 10%, which must have more than a few people worried and or jealous.
I agree. Maybe several entities. Say...hmmm...M$ and Google?
... That have nothing to do with the iPhone's design flaw.
The iP4 is obviously not ment to be useful for you. The answer Apple delivers for folks like you is very simple: Don' buy an iPhone!!! Keeps us waiting a little less.
Ahh, some more classic fud by Mr. Fudmaster jrogosta. CR never said the iPhone has the best reception even with the problem. They said the iPhone had the *worst* reception of the phones they tested. And they never said it was a minor glitch. LOL!! Reception is a major part of a phone. Thus their not recommended rating. Why do you lie and troll so much ? I guess it's hard for you to admit the truth, ehh ? It's comical how much you twist the facts. Do you really think people believe your fud and lies ? I know why you lie, it's because the truth won't support your position, thus you have to lie and twist facts. LOL
While, I've been posting, I've been thinking-- and making a lot of duplicate posts (I get so excited).
Some here, @jfanning, for one-- seem to make posts that are nonsensical. It's as if their purpose is to keep the thread alive-- possibly in hopes that it will help carry antennagate into a new news cycle.
On Saturday, I posted the message (1st quote, below) that I thought the antennagate issue was dead.
About 2 1/2 hours later @jfanning posted a response. What's interesting is that @jfanning indicated it was Sunday in his local time-- about 16.5 hours later. That makes a time difference of about 14 hours.
If @jfanning is trying to keep antennagate alive for the next news cycle (in his country)-- he may have already succeeded (in his mind). By my reckoning, it is about 6:35 AM @jfanning local time.
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Saturday, 7:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
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Here it is Saturday after a feeding frenzy. There are only 220 some posts to this thread-- mostly antis and pros (like myself) just hanging on... playing!
The focus has changed-- iP4 Antennagate is no longer newsworthy.
We'll hear a few whimpers but the story is dead-- it has no legs!
The Moving Finger writes; and having writ, moves on...
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Saturday, 9:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfanning
It is Sunday, has been for 16.5 hours, maybe the issue is you are living in the past.
LOL!!! Thanks for proving my point that you must lie and twist facts. Nowhere did CR say the issue was a minor glitch, and nowhere did they say it had the best reception even with the issue. You finally made a post without adding fud. LOL. Btw, here's all of CR's comments..
Just don't hold it in your hand in a secure manner.
Sorry, but a death grip like you hold it is not just a secure grip. You're *over* gripping it, probably giving your hands a strain. My golf coach says 98 percent of people hold a club too tightly, which probably goes for car steering wheels and phones, too. For my golf club (and phone and steering wheel), my rule, which is a tweaked version of his is "Hold it as gently as a child's hand [his part], but firmly as if the child will bolt into the street at any moment [mine]." I've got a pretty good bolter, so my level of firmness can be difficult to hit. FYI, my mother constantly complained I gripped the steering wheel too tightly, too.
You'll be amazed how much better your golf swing, drive maneuvering, and iPhone usage will be when your grip them properly.
Those videos show something different than what's shown on other phones in counter-examples of attenuation. The only other phone I was shocked at was the Galaxy S from Samsung, but even then the phone was held in the palm tightly.
Like the other poster said, show the same exaggerated attenuation using a delicate touch of a single finger, and I'll believe this is a non-issue.
What's happening is the phone is such a cool device that comparatively, this is not a big enough issue to give it up. For anyone with half a brain, if they are seeing this sensitivity with their iPhone 4, they'll get a case. End of story.
Those videos show something different than what's shown on other phones in counter-examples of attenuation. The only other phone I was shocked at was the Galaxy S from Samsung, but even then the phone was held in the palm tightly.
Like the other poster said, show the same exaggerated attenuation using a delicate touch of a single finger, and I'll believe this is a non-issue.
What's happening is the phone is such a cool device that comparatively, this is not a big enough issue to give it up. For anyone with half a brain, if they are seeing this sensitivity with their iPhone 4, they'll get a case. End of story.
this is a non-issue for majority of iPhone 4 owners. the signal loss is negligible for most users. for some iPhone 4 owners they dont even experience any signal loss.
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That probably explains the Nokia X5 then:
You just made my day.
5 videos demonstrates that right here:
I'll give it up for anyone that can produce that on any RIM or Nokia :-)
And, even if they do move it inside the case, you will still have attenuation as it is a common problem no matter where you put the antenna. He will not be a buyer regardless. He just likes to bash Apple. It doesn't take long reading his posts to figure that one out.
He will probably stick to fixed net phones or maybe he is still using bush- drums?!
Apple has had a history of poor engineering, they rank low in quality surveys.
Which is why they rank #1 in customer satisfaction year after year? And if there IS a problem, their customer service also ranks #1 year after year.
Your trolling is off.
Does anyone actually buy your baloney?
I asked the OP for some citations, links... he did not respond to that request, but continued to blather whatever pops into his mind.
I said, I would provide some citations to refute his assertion.
Here is one that seems particularly appropriate!
iPhone Tops J.D. Power’s List For Smartphone Customer Satisfaction
http://appadvice.com/appnn/2009/05/i...-satisfaction/
AIR, at WDDC, or the iPhone 4 announce, Apple had on display J.D. Powers trophies for 3 consecutive years,
I don't believe I will bother researching additional links to refute the OP's assertion-- since he has not provided one to support it.
I've got better things to do than dance to his tune!
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Apple has had a history of poor engineering, they rank low in quality surveys. I have had 50% of my Macs fail. You can call me a troll all you like, live in your little dream world all you like.
I can't say that I have had 0% failure in my Macs over the 23 years that I have been using them. My brother managed to kill one of them, but there may have been cruel and unusual circumstances that caused it. Fortunately I was delighted that Apple fixed it out of warranty, for an incredibly reasonable amount. Anecdotally, I doubt that would have been the case with any other manufacturer. As far as Apple products are concerned they are night and day better designed, better engineered and better manufactured than anything else out there in my experience.
They don't always give me what I want, when I want it and that can be frustrating. But nothing is perfect in this world and certainly not in tech. There's a reason why Apple is so large now by market cap, it's because they provide the best available consumer experience and hence satisfaction in their sector.
I'm a 3GS user and yes I'm waiting to see what happens with this - so I can't say iP4 works for me. But after 23 years experience my trust is in this company to produce great products that enhance our lives above all others.
Steve looked pissed (angry for you Brits)..... I can't fault him for that. Personally I like the emphasis he put on the word "yet" in relation to the laws of physics comment.
The iPhone 4 is the only phone that can go from 5 bars to 0 bars with the touch of a single finger at a small part of the case.
Apple is right to be criticized for this obvious design flaw. This is not standard attenuation.
I would really love to to See somebody making a mobile call using only one finger!
People like you, that make claims like this - "I've been a Mac user since 19__, and Apple sucks" -- just don't have any credibility. You either don't own and maybe never have owned anything sold by Apple, are counting 15 year old systems in your numbers, or are completely irrational. I wouldn't keep buying Macs if 50% of them failed. No one else would either. Why would they. So it's not believable that you are a Mac owner with a 50% failure rate, and keep buying Apple hardware, and do nothing but come on here and engage in Apple bashing. Basic credibility gap.
Actually, it's perfectly possible if the said user is near brain dead.
I asked the OP for some citations, links... he did not respond to that request, but continued to blather whatever pops into his mind.
I said, I would provide some citations to refute his assertion.
Here is one that seems particularly appropriate!
iPhone Tops J.D. Power?s List For Smartphone Customer Satisfaction
http://appadvice.com/appnn/2009/05/i...-satisfaction/
AIR, at WDDC, or the iPhone 4 announce, Apple had on display J.D. Powers trophies for 3 consecutive years,
I don't believe I will bother researching additional links to refute the OP's assertion-- since he has not provided one to support it.
I've got better things to do than dance to his tune!
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+1 Apple is all about Quality
Seriously though, it?s not about reading then parroting someone you disagree with, but by understanding why you two differ, so you can better formulate an argument (or defense) in a way to make the opposition understand and ultimate succumb to your point of view.
I would respectfully lay out a simple question with a short preamble to sollipsm and Dick Applebaum if I may:
Like him or distrust him, Barrack Obama has proven to be a man of conciliation; one has only to look to his legislative record in the last 18 months or so. He got things done on pure negotiating skills, first with conjuncture and last but not least, with a volatile Congress. His record speaks for itself.
On the basis of Rush Limbaugh's attitude and inflammatory comments toward the President, and the latter's propensity to favor dialogue over confrontational challenges, should you not conclude that there are instances in life when a man's emotional instability and psychological fixation get the better of his otherwise negotiable rationales?
The whole thing is way overblown, to the point that it seems like there is an entity behind it. Apple is doing remarkably well in all aspects right now. This year alone, they released two blockbuster products and moved their Mac market share up to 10%, which must have more than a few people worried and or jealous.
I agree. Maybe several entities. Say...hmmm...M$ and Google?
... That have nothing to do with the iPhone's design flaw.
The iP4 is obviously not ment to be useful for you. The answer Apple delivers for folks like you is very simple: Don' buy an iPhone!!! Keeps us waiting a little less.
The iPhone 4 antenna can actually be killed by just a touch of a finger - Palming in not even required.
5 videos demonstrates that right here:
I'll give it up for anyone that can produce that on any RIM or Nokia :-)
How often do you make a cellular phone call using one finger? Midas touch? Or some acrobatic hold?
Ahh, some more classic fud by Mr. Fudmaster jrogosta. CR never said the iPhone has the best reception even with the problem. They said the iPhone had the *worst* reception of the phones they tested. And they never said it was a minor glitch. LOL!! Reception is a major part of a phone. Thus their not recommended rating. Why do you lie and troll so much ? I guess it's hard for you to admit the truth, ehh ? It's comical how much you twist the facts. Do you really think people believe your fud and lies ? I know why you lie, it's because the truth won't support your position, thus you have to lie and twist facts. LOL
Hint:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...available.html
Return Rate
Nokia 20%
Blackberry: 35-50%
VERSUS
iPhone 3GS 6%
iPhone 4 1.77%
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=111484
Please don't confuse the trolls with facts. Their heads might explode.
While, I've been posting, I've been thinking-- and making a lot of duplicate posts (I get so excited).
Some here, @jfanning, for one-- seem to make posts that are nonsensical. It's as if their purpose is to keep the thread alive-- possibly in hopes that it will help carry antennagate into a new news cycle.
On Saturday, I posted the message (1st quote, below) that I thought the antennagate issue was dead.
About 2 1/2 hours later @jfanning posted a response. What's interesting is that @jfanning indicated it was Sunday in his local time-- about 16.5 hours later. That makes a time difference of about 14 hours.
If @jfanning is trying to keep antennagate alive for the next news cycle (in his country)-- he may have already succeeded (in his mind). By my reckoning, it is about 6:35 AM @jfanning local time.
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Saturday, 7:12 PM
.
Here it is Saturday after a feeding frenzy. There are only 220 some posts to this thread-- mostly antis and pros (like myself) just hanging on... playing!
The focus has changed-- iP4 Antennagate is no longer newsworthy.
We'll hear a few whimpers but the story is dead-- it has no legs!
The Moving Finger writes; and having writ, moves on...
.
Saturday, 9:29 PM
It is Sunday, has been for 16.5 hours, maybe the issue is you are living in the past.
We are very popular, so don't say anything bad about us, or we will sick our popular on you.
Hint:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...available.html
LOL!!! Thanks for proving my point that you must lie and twist facts. Nowhere did CR say the issue was a minor glitch, and nowhere did they say it had the best reception even with the issue. You finally made a post without adding fud. LOL. Btw, here's all of CR's comments..
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/electronics/iphone-4/
The iPhone 4 antenna can actually be killed by just a touch of a finger - Palming in not even required.
5 videos demonstrates that right here:
I'll give it up for anyone that can produce that on any RIM or Nokia :-)
5 videos? FIVE???
Here's statistics for you.
1.77% return rate. THIS IS A NON-ISSUE for majority of the iPhone 4 owners.
Just don't hold it in your hand in a secure manner.
Sorry, but a death grip like you hold it is not just a secure grip. You're *over* gripping it, probably giving your hands a strain. My golf coach says 98 percent of people hold a club too tightly, which probably goes for car steering wheels and phones, too. For my golf club (and phone and steering wheel), my rule, which is a tweaked version of his is "Hold it as gently as a child's hand [his part], but firmly as if the child will bolt into the street at any moment [mine]." I've got a pretty good bolter, so my level of firmness can be difficult to hit.
You'll be amazed how much better your golf swing, drive maneuvering, and iPhone usage will be when your grip them properly.
5 videos? FIVE???
Here's statistics for you.
1.77% return rate. THIS IS A NON-ISSUE for majority of the iPhone 4 owners.
http://bloginthebag.com/2010/07/19/i...ouch-of-death/
Those videos show something different than what's shown on other phones in counter-examples of attenuation. The only other phone I was shocked at was the Galaxy S from Samsung, but even then the phone was held in the palm tightly.
Like the other poster said, show the same exaggerated attenuation using a delicate touch of a single finger, and I'll believe this is a non-issue.
What's happening is the phone is such a cool device that comparatively, this is not a big enough issue to give it up. For anyone with half a brain, if they are seeing this sensitivity with their iPhone 4, they'll get a case. End of story.
http://bloginthebag.com/2010/07/19/i...ouch-of-death/
Those videos show something different than what's shown on other phones in counter-examples of attenuation. The only other phone I was shocked at was the Galaxy S from Samsung, but even then the phone was held in the palm tightly.
Like the other poster said, show the same exaggerated attenuation using a delicate touch of a single finger, and I'll believe this is a non-issue.
What's happening is the phone is such a cool device that comparatively, this is not a big enough issue to give it up. For anyone with half a brain, if they are seeing this sensitivity with their iPhone 4, they'll get a case. End of story.
this is a non-issue for majority of iPhone 4 owners. the signal loss is negligible for most users. for some iPhone 4 owners they dont even experience any signal loss.
I own an iPhone 4 you DONT so why do you care?