The main point I've consistently made is that you should not be expecting a G5 any time soon -- I've been saying that since before MacWorld/SF, but apparently it just doesn't make it through.
As for the G4s, as I also stated, there were two platforms in semi-parallel development. One was an SDRAM speedbump, the other DDR. The hardware for the former was ready for MacWorld/SF, so the delay must have been to give the iMac its day in the sun.
Apparently the Apollo G4's are waiting for the next speedbump (DDR), which given the timing, likely won't be out until at least 5 months from now. That would fit in well with G5's appearing early or mid 2003, given that there will likely be a speed bump to the Apollo/DDR platform after their release as well.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, I know. I'm just in a bad mood. Sorry. I expected the G5 at MWSF 2003 though Fred Anderson's comments about the first half of this year being transitional and the second half having big things in store makes me wonder. What do you think about this? So we just got "new" PowerMacs with 7455 G4s which will likely be followed up in March with the 7445 G4s at up to 800Mhz for a bump to the PowerBook. Then what? What happened to the 7460 Apollo processors? Will they ever make it into the PowerBooks? What about the PowerMacs? It doesn't sound like they can get much more out of the G4s for desktop purposes. Six months from now the Mhz/Ghz delta will be even greater. Maybe the G5 will make it in time for MWNY in July. I don't see what else they can do. They can't afford any more half-assed updates like this one and expect them to hold us over until 2003, that's for sure.
Man, you guys are tough! You'll have to wait to see what the other one is...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Andrew,
Since you already spilled 1/2 the beans I'm gonna bust if I don't say this to someone... Truth is Andrew's right about the G5 but not exactly... I've been alpha testing Andrew's 2nd app for the past two months... It's a PPC G6 cpu monitor!
Damn Moki please don't be pissed at me... Please! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Man, you guys are tough! You'll have to wait to see what the other one is...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm....
Why aren't they included with the new PowerMacs?
(1)\tThe software isn't done yet. This narrows is down to EV Nova and pop-pop.
(2)\tYou want it to be bundled with more impressive hardware. Again, it points to EV Nova or pop-pop, as newer games in general will require better hardware.
I think that EV Nova is the more probable title. If (2), then it would be the one as it seems it as more intensive graphics and other stuff which would make it require new hardware. If (1), then I think it would be pop-pop, as EV Nova will probably sell much better. (If you make EV Nova available ONLY with the purchase of a new Mac, it would probably help Mac sales significantly. But I don't think you'd be that cruel.)
Now what does this tell us about Future Hardware?
If (2), then there has to be impressive new hardware (i.e. Apollo or G5) soon. If (1), then there has to be some kind of update (to include the new software). It could be another silent update, but I think it's more probable that the next update would be major.
So Apollo or G5. I think if it were G5, moki would remain silent instead of denying. Of course, there could be a vast conspiracy to lower our expectations. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
[quote] I for one am curious as to what Dorsal, Philbot, Time, even Kormac have to say, and I am not interested in iterations of credibility discussions. <hr></blockquote>
If you want to indiscriminately believe everything you read, then knock yourself out...but please don't impose your methods on me.
As I predicted, new Powermacs are out and some are saying that Dorsal got it right. Um, no, he didn't predict anything.
Apple could have released virtually anything today, and Dorsal's predictions would have been close, because he predicted everything--both G4s, and G5s, at a range of speeds. That is not valuable information.
Furthermore, the time of his post is a bit odd. Since Apple released the new Powermacs today, they should have been in testing for a few months. Dorsal should have had access to these powermacs at least a few weeks ago, if not more.
But the reason Dorsal's post came so late is because he doesn't have any powermacs to base it on. He had to wait for the rumors to settle down, and then carefully pick all the possible CPUs and mobo specs for new Powermacs, and then predict them ALL.
Normally I wouldn't give a rat's ass, but the way everyone hangs onto every word Dorsal writes is pathetic. I give people like Time and Philbot their due respect, because they give me no reason to think that they are BSing me. But Dorsal's posts are squirrelly...they are too carefully constructed with the intent to be impossible to disprove.
Most of us are smart enough to discern between fact and fiction. We really don't need to be told what to believe, or what we should or shouldn't believe.
[quote] Most of us are smart enough to discern between fact and fiction. We really don't need to be told what to believe, or what we should or shouldn't believe. <hr></blockquote>
This is a discussion board. If you are so smart that you know everything already, without the need for anyone else's perspective, why are you here?
Now, Time, there is a case where someone got flamed for no good reason. He had info about new Macs today, and for no reason at all people doubted him. That's uncalled for. But anyone who's "smart", as you would say, should be able to see that Dorsal's post is begging for debate on its authenticity. Dorsal cannot answer any questions put forth to test his credibility. He does not defend himself. He simply posts, and watches. I find that more than a bit suspicious.
Perhaps the next time Dorsal predicts something, he could limit his prediction to a single product, instead of this all-encompassing, G4 or G5, 933 MHz to 1.6 GHz in speed, mobo with either sdram or ddram. Yes, Apple field-tests a range of hardware, but no, the range is not that large. And unless Dorsal is an incredibly important developer, I doubt he would have both G4s and G5s. We have Moki here saying that G5s are ultra-rare, and that few developers have them, and I trust Moki more than I do Dorsal.
<strong>This is a discussion board. If you are so smart that you know everything already, without the need for anyone else's perspective, why are you here?
<strong>Since you already spilled 1/2 the beans I'm gonna bust if I don't say this to someone... Truth is Andrew's right about the G5 but not exactly... I've been alpha testing Andrew's 2nd app for the past two months... It's a PPC G6 cpu monitor!
Damn Moki please don't be pissed at me... Please! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Dave</strong><hr></blockquote>
You BASTARD! May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits!
You BASTARD! May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Phew!
I here I thought you'd be pissed... Oh and I just downloaded the latest rev and you STILL haven't fixed the bugs I've been reporting!! <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
muhahaha. All your callouses are belong to us. And so on...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Release it for Windows only, and make it free. Use an AOL style market campaign to send it to everyone. Watch the productivity of the Windows world plummet. Everywhere Macs will be bought because it will become known that work can't be done anymore on a PC.
Comments
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The main point I've consistently made is that you should not be expecting a G5 any time soon -- I've been saying that since before MacWorld/SF, but apparently it just doesn't make it through.
As for the G4s, as I also stated, there were two platforms in semi-parallel development. One was an SDRAM speedbump, the other DDR. The hardware for the former was ready for MacWorld/SF, so the delay must have been to give the iMac its day in the sun.
Apparently the Apollo G4's are waiting for the next speedbump (DDR), which given the timing, likely won't be out until at least 5 months from now. That would fit in well with G5's appearing early or mid 2003, given that there will likely be a speed bump to the Apollo/DDR platform after their release as well.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, I know. I'm just in a bad mood. Sorry. I expected the G5 at MWSF 2003 though Fred Anderson's comments about the first half of this year being transitional and the second half having big things in store makes me wonder. What do you think about this? So we just got "new" PowerMacs with 7455 G4s which will likely be followed up in March with the 7445 G4s at up to 800Mhz for a bump to the PowerBook. Then what? What happened to the 7460 Apollo processors? Will they ever make it into the PowerBooks? What about the PowerMacs? It doesn't sound like they can get much more out of the G4s for desktop purposes. Six months from now the Mhz/Ghz delta will be even greater. Maybe the G5 will make it in time for MWNY in July. I don't see what else they can do. They can't afford any more half-assed updates like this one and expect them to hold us over until 2003, that's for sure.
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::ahem::
<a href="http://www.apple.com/powermac/software.html"; target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/powermac/software.html</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;
Ummm...I only see Snapz Pro here...no second title.
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Ummm...I only see Snapz Pro here...no second title.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Man, you guys are tough!
<strong>
Man, you guys are tough!
Andrew,
Since you already spilled 1/2 the beans I'm gonna bust if I don't say this to someone... Truth is Andrew's right about the G5 but not exactly... I've been alpha testing Andrew's 2nd app for the past two months... It's a PPC G6 cpu monitor!
Damn Moki please don't be pissed at me... Please! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Dave
<strong>
Man, you guys are tough!
Hmmm....
Why aren't they included with the new PowerMacs?
(1)\tThe software isn't done yet. This narrows is down to EV Nova and pop-pop.
(2)\tYou want it to be bundled with more impressive hardware. Again, it points to EV Nova or pop-pop, as newer games in general will require better hardware.
I think that EV Nova is the more probable title. If (2), then it would be the one as it seems it as more intensive graphics and other stuff which would make it require new hardware. If (1), then I think it would be pop-pop, as EV Nova will probably sell much better. (If you make EV Nova available ONLY with the purchase of a new Mac, it would probably help Mac sales significantly. But I don't think you'd be that cruel.)
Now what does this tell us about Future Hardware?
If (2), then there has to be impressive new hardware (i.e. Apollo or G5) soon. If (1), then there has to be some kind of update (to include the new software). It could be another silent update, but I think it's more probable that the next update would be major.
So Apollo or G5. I think if it were G5, moki would remain silent instead of denying. Of course, there could be a vast conspiracy to lower our expectations. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
Let the guessing begin....
[ 01-28-2002: Message edited by: Junkyard Dawg ]</p>
If you want to indiscriminately believe everything you read, then knock yourself out...but please don't impose your methods on me.
As I predicted, new Powermacs are out and some are saying that Dorsal got it right. Um, no, he didn't predict anything.
Apple could have released virtually anything today, and Dorsal's predictions would have been close, because he predicted everything--both G4s, and G5s, at a range of speeds. That is not valuable information.
Furthermore, the time of his post is a bit odd. Since Apple released the new Powermacs today, they should have been in testing for a few months. Dorsal should have had access to these powermacs at least a few weeks ago, if not more.
But the reason Dorsal's post came so late is because he doesn't have any powermacs to base it on. He had to wait for the rumors to settle down, and then carefully pick all the possible CPUs and mobo specs for new Powermacs, and then predict them ALL.
Normally I wouldn't give a rat's ass, but the way everyone hangs onto every word Dorsal writes is pathetic. I give people like Time and Philbot their due respect, because they give me no reason to think that they are BSing me. But Dorsal's posts are squirrelly...they are too carefully constructed with the intent to be impossible to disprove.
<strong>Escape Velocity on revved consumer models?
Nah. Snapz Pro is only on Pro machines, so there would still have to be something else to make two titles on a single Mac.
It could happen, but I doubt it's what moki's referring to.
This is a discussion board. If you are so smart that you know everything already, without the need for anyone else's perspective, why are you here?
Now, Time, there is a case where someone got flamed for no good reason. He had info about new Macs today, and for no reason at all people doubted him. That's uncalled for. But anyone who's "smart", as you would say, should be able to see that Dorsal's post is begging for debate on its authenticity. Dorsal cannot answer any questions put forth to test his credibility. He does not defend himself. He simply posts, and watches. I find that more than a bit suspicious.
Perhaps the next time Dorsal predicts something, he could limit his prediction to a single product, instead of this all-encompassing, G4 or G5, 933 MHz to 1.6 GHz in speed, mobo with either sdram or ddram. Yes, Apple field-tests a range of hardware, but no, the range is not that large. And unless Dorsal is an incredibly important developer, I doubt he would have both G4s and G5s. We have Moki here saying that G5s are ultra-rare, and that few developers have them, and I trust Moki more than I do Dorsal.
[ 01-28-2002: Message edited by: Junkyard Dawg ]</p>
<strong>This is a discussion board. If you are so smart that you know everything already, without the need for anyone else's perspective, why are you here?
[ 01-28-2002: Message edited by: Junkyard Dawg ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Man, you're funny.
<strong>Since you already spilled 1/2 the beans I'm gonna bust if I don't say this to someone... Truth is Andrew's right about the G5 but not exactly... I've been alpha testing Andrew's 2nd app for the past two months... It's a PPC G6 cpu monitor!
Damn Moki please don't be pissed at me... Please! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Dave</strong><hr></blockquote>
You BASTARD! May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits!
<strong>
You BASTARD! May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Can we say CONFIRMED now? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> After all, if moki gets that mad, it must be true.
[ 01-28-2002: Message edited by: Junkyard Dawg ]</p>
<strong>Game over, man!</strong><hr></blockquote>
You want some too?
<strong>
You BASTARD! May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Phew!
I here I thought you'd be pissed... Oh and I just downloaded the latest rev and you STILL haven't fixed the bugs I've been reporting!! <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Are you spending too much time on AI again?!?!
Dave
and i even registered it. scary!
<strong>moki, are you one of the bastards that made EV Override? I spent countless hours on that game taking over the universe. thanks a lot.
and i even registered it. scary!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Our ulitmate revenge will be the release of <a href="http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/news/upcoming/ev3_betashots.html"; target="_blank">EV Nova</a>
muhahaha. All your callouses are belong to us. And so on...
<strong>
Our ulitmate revenge will be the release of <a href="http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/news/upcoming/ev3_betashots.html"; target="_blank">EV Nova</a>
muhahaha. All your callouses are belong to us. And so on...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Release it for Windows only, and make it free. Use an AOL style market campaign to send it to everyone. Watch the productivity of the Windows world plummet. Everywhere Macs will be bought because it will become known that work can't be done anymore on a PC.