DVD Player provides playback capability, not iDVD. The latter is an authoring application. Your DVD library is not obsolete.
Okay, for the third time today, I am not confused as to the function of iDVD. I understand that it is an authoring tool to create DVD's and I have some experience doing so.
I take exception to Apple "killing off" the DVD format, or rather their arrogance in doing so. Hence my statement that Steve Jobs expects me to throw out my optical media collection.
I don't play DVD's (blu ray or otherwise) on my computer. I play them on my set top box and watch them in the living room on a flat screen TV. I don't subscribe to the notion that people want to watch Hi Def movies on, at best, a 27 inch computer monitor or the even more ridiculous notion of watching them on an iPad because of it's intimacy.
Consumers... MAYBE.. but Professionals (As in Movie industry).. NO. It will be a huge mistake if Final Cut does not more aggressively support BluRay. That can't happen unless Apple supports it in a broader sense.
Blu-Ray on Macs is not important to the movie industry from a professional standpoint. Movies are not authored or mastered with consumer grade software. Since Apple essentially has no Blu-Ray abilities (other than the limited ones in FCP) Macs are of little consequence to the movie industry re Blu-Ray. The available Mac Blu-Ray apps are not pro apps (Premiere or Toast). My understanding is that Blu-Rays have not gained market share as expected. Certainly at my post facility we get a request for a Blu-Ray disc maybe twice a year. We send them elsewhere - we are not willing to spend the money on software and staffing for that miniscule amount of business. If we start getting calls once a week - that would be different.
Typical Blackintosh assumption? I made no assumption, I read the article here that said it was going to happen.
How many people are still burning dvd's? I don't know. How many? Probably lots of people do.
And lastly you still didn't answer my question. If you make a hi def movie, home movie, rock video, porno, whatever, how are you going to share it? Mobile Me? You Tube?
Instead of telling me that time marches on and I'm to be left behind, tell me where you're going so I can come with.
NO, your assumption was that by removing iDVD, DVD burning from the iLife suite would be dropped.
Lots of people don't burn DVDs - do some quick web research, DVD recorders completely failed to take off, people use TiVO/Sky +. Consumers don't like physical media, they like convenience. It takes a LONG time to burn a DVD in iDVD, most people simply upload to youtube or share digitally. I'm more excited by the new features of iLife than I am be the ongoing evolution of how we store and share media - DVDs will always have a place in the market, as will people who still use VCRs and even those who love vinyl. Niche markets are not an important component in a consumer pleasing suite of easy to use software.
Where are we going? We're moving to digital streaming media, the wireless networked home streaming content from all your digital devices to one an other, we're moving to 4096 displays and stunning HD, and we're moving away from £20 to buy a movie on blu-ray. Optical media, physical purchases will die as soon as the telecoms infrastructure can deal with it. At the least, we'll see media on ultra hight capacity SD cards as standard within the next two years.
Okay, for the third time today, I am not confused as to the function of iDVD. I understand that it is an authoring tool to create DVD's and I have some experience doing so.
I take exception to Apple "killing off" the DVD format, or rather their arrogance in doing so. Hence my statement that Steve Jobs expects me to throw out my optical media collection.
I don't play DVD's (blu ray or otherwise) on my computer. I play them on my set top box and watch them in the living room on a flat screen TV. I don't subscribe to the notion that people want to watch Hi Def movies on, at best, a 27 inch computer monitor or the even more ridiculous notion of watching them on an iPad because of it's intimacy.
Why are Apple killing the DVD format? Care to explain?
Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.
Why are Apple killing the DVD format? Care to explain?
And exactly how are they supposed to do this when they still employ optical drives in nearly every product they sell and still distribute most of their software not included with the OS on optical media?
What has Quicktime and iTunes got to do with iLife? And what kind of "reasons" is just making a list of software? I'm not upgrading because of iMovie is not a reason. I'm not upgrading because I don't need any more from iMovie than I already get, might be, or I'm not upgrading because iMovie blah blah something might work. You can't just pick a piece of software and call it a reason for not upgrading as if we are all psychic and understand what you particular beef is.
I'm not updating because there's a trend with each new release of dropping functionality from the previous release. All the apps I listed are examples of that practice.
No, it's not forward thinking. iMovie HD in 2006 was forward thinking.
Go ahead and buy a HD camcorder, make a movie with iLife and now what are you supposed to do with it? Upload it to Mobile Me and share it with family that might not have broadband?
Hey Grandpa, download this movie this weekend while your out of town and it might be finished by Monday morning. This is assuming Grandpa HAS a computer in the first place.
DVD's are perfect for sharing with non tech people, the kind that don't visit this forum. Not everyone thinks like the community here, thank goodness.
As far as Blu Ray being outdated in a couple of years, I agree with you. You see, I have a blu ray player and whenever I adopt a new format it gets killed within four years. Betamax, VHS, VHS-C, 8MM, Hi-8, Toshiba Hi Def. The last one I killed in less than a month!!
You are assuming the new iMovie won't let you burn your movie to a DVD.
It's about time Apple update iWeb. At Least, iWeb needs theme creation and blog control using web based interface (maybe the iOS version will have this). I would also like to see iWeb being able to create iOS optimized web pages.
Annnnnnnd another thread ruin by Blackintosh. He?s surely made this week?s quota on this one thread alone. Hopefully that means he?ll be taking the rest of the week off so we can intelligent adult discussions around here. Thanks guys¡
Moving on? This is pretty common for Amazon. For many years they?ve put up placeholders for Apple products that did not exist. The only difference here being that it?s a book, not the SW pack.
BTW, how many of you will buy iLife ?11 from a DVD instead of simply buying the serial code online after installing the download? DVD media isn?t nearly as common as it used to be for computers. Most videos we consume are streamed, most apps we install are downloaded. It?s only a matter of time before the optical drive is removed from notebooks the way floppy drives and serial ports were.
I'm not updating because there's a trend with each new release of dropping functionality from the previous release. All the apps I listed are examples of that practice.
Ah, OK. So what did iTunes use to do that it doesn't do now? Same goes for them all I suppose. Genuinely interested.
It's about time Apple update iWeb. At Least, iWeb needs theme creation and blog control using web based interface (maybe the iOS version will have this). I would also like to see iWeb being able to create iOS optimized web pages.
NO, your assumption was that by removing iDVD, DVD burning from the iLife suite would be dropped.
Lots of people don't burn DVDs - do some quick web research, DVD recorders completely failed to take off, people use TiVO/Sky +. Consumers don't like physical media, they like convenience. It takes a LONG time to burn a DVD in iDVD, most people simply upload to youtube or share digitally. I'm more excited by the new features of iLife than I am be the ongoing evolution of how we store and share media - DVDs will always have a place in the market, as will people who still use VCRs and even those who love vinyl. Niche markets are not an important component in a consumer pleasing suite of easy to use software.
Where are we going? We're moving to digital streaming media, the wireless networked home streaming content from all your digital devices to one an other, we're moving to 4096 displays and stunning HD, and we're moving away from £20 to buy a movie on blu-ray. Optical media, physical purchases will die as soon as the telecoms infrastructure can deal with it. At the least, we'll see media on ultra hight capacity SD cards as standard within the next two years.
There is no way for you to know how many people burn DVD's. Unless you are going to do a door to door survey. Apple once assumed that FireWire camcorders should be destroyed and took the firewire port off of the MacBook. They put it back on when Apple realized they don't steer the camcorder market.
As far as digital streaming media, how much of the world (trying to be fair to you non Americans here) has broadband internet? How much of the world has wireless "n" networking in their homes? People are never ever ever going to toss out optical media for streaming that skips and stutters all through the movie. We'll get there one day, but not today.
Annnnnnnd another thread ruin by Blackintosh. He?s surely made this week?s quota on this one thread alone. Hopefully that means he?ll be taking the rest of the week off so we can intelligent adult discussions around here. Thanks guys¡
Really Solipsism, such a unprovoked attack. Try responding to the points I make. If you have the intelligence.
As far as taking the rest of the week off, forget about it.
Look, I hate to be so negative, but when Apple does something STUPID I'm going to call them out on it. Someday DVD media will be obsolete, but not today. It's too soon. That's the point. It's really a simple one. Too simple for Mr. Solipsism I guess.
You are assuming the new iMovie won't let you burn your movie to a DVD.
Yes, I am assuming this, I am presuming this, I am predicting this. So is the article. If they want to move iDVD into iMovie, fine. My objection is to Killing it. Nobody likes to be killed you know.
I'm not updating because there's a trend with each new release of dropping functionality from the previous release. All the apps I listed are examples of that practice.
Agree. The new QuickTime doesn't as much as the old pro version. Why not?
The new Apple TV does less then the old one.
As far as iTunes, I refuse to give up my colored icons. The world is a better place with different colors.
So the 64-bit thing... does that mean 64-bit only, or that the whole suite will run in both? I have an original Dore Duo machine, which is 32-bit.
64 bit apps tend to be universal - they would have to be for iLife since most of the macs boot into 32-bit.
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You are assuming the new iMovie won't let you burn your movie to a DVD.
I am pretty sure that is already possible anyway - I thought that iPhoto has some DVD creation built in. I would have to check to make sure. If it wasn't already they would just add it in.
iDVD does have it's usefulness. Believe it or not, there are people <gasp!> who don't have broadband or an AppleTV to download your home videos and watch them. If you are archiving old home movies and want to share them with grandma and grandpa, creating a DVD they can just put in their DVD player at home may be the best option. Or whould you like to email a 500 MB video file to them?
That said, it's perfectly understandable that Apple doesn't want to invest the resources to upgrade it to 64-bit. So leaving it out of iLife allows them to declare "iLife is 64-bit!" iDVD is perfectly usable as it is. I've used it many times. Hopefully Apple will put it online for people to download if they don't get it with their Mac purchase and it's removed from iLife.
<snip> You see, I have a blu ray player and whenever I adopt a new format it gets killed within four years. Betamax, VHS, VHS-C, 8MM, Hi-8, Toshiba Hi Def. The last one I killed in less than a month!!
What, you where the person who bought a Kin? Good going...
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You are confused.
DVD Player provides playback capability, not iDVD. The latter is an authoring application. Your DVD library is not obsolete.
Okay, for the third time today, I am not confused as to the function of iDVD. I understand that it is an authoring tool to create DVD's and I have some experience doing so.
I take exception to Apple "killing off" the DVD format, or rather their arrogance in doing so. Hence my statement that Steve Jobs expects me to throw out my optical media collection.
I don't play DVD's (blu ray or otherwise) on my computer. I play them on my set top box and watch them in the living room on a flat screen TV. I don't subscribe to the notion that people want to watch Hi Def movies on, at best, a 27 inch computer monitor or the even more ridiculous notion of watching them on an iPad because of it's intimacy.
Consumers... MAYBE.. but Professionals (As in Movie industry).. NO. It will be a huge mistake if Final Cut does not more aggressively support BluRay. That can't happen unless Apple supports it in a broader sense.
Blu-Ray on Macs is not important to the movie industry from a professional standpoint. Movies are not authored or mastered with consumer grade software. Since Apple essentially has no Blu-Ray abilities (other than the limited ones in FCP) Macs are of little consequence to the movie industry re Blu-Ray. The available Mac Blu-Ray apps are not pro apps (Premiere or Toast). My understanding is that Blu-Rays have not gained market share as expected. Certainly at my post facility we get a request for a Blu-Ray disc maybe twice a year. We send them elsewhere - we are not willing to spend the money on software and staffing for that miniscule amount of business. If we start getting calls once a week - that would be different.
Typical Blackintosh assumption? I made no assumption, I read the article here that said it was going to happen.
How many people are still burning dvd's? I don't know. How many? Probably lots of people do.
And lastly you still didn't answer my question. If you make a hi def movie, home movie, rock video, porno, whatever, how are you going to share it? Mobile Me? You Tube?
Instead of telling me that time marches on and I'm to be left behind, tell me where you're going so I can come with.
NO, your assumption was that by removing iDVD, DVD burning from the iLife suite would be dropped.
Lots of people don't burn DVDs - do some quick web research, DVD recorders completely failed to take off, people use TiVO/Sky +. Consumers don't like physical media, they like convenience. It takes a LONG time to burn a DVD in iDVD, most people simply upload to youtube or share digitally. I'm more excited by the new features of iLife than I am be the ongoing evolution of how we store and share media - DVDs will always have a place in the market, as will people who still use VCRs and even those who love vinyl. Niche markets are not an important component in a consumer pleasing suite of easy to use software.
Where are we going? We're moving to digital streaming media, the wireless networked home streaming content from all your digital devices to one an other, we're moving to 4096 displays and stunning HD, and we're moving away from £20 to buy a movie on blu-ray. Optical media, physical purchases will die as soon as the telecoms infrastructure can deal with it. At the least, we'll see media on ultra hight capacity SD cards as standard within the next two years.
Okay, for the third time today, I am not confused as to the function of iDVD. I understand that it is an authoring tool to create DVD's and I have some experience doing so.
I take exception to Apple "killing off" the DVD format, or rather their arrogance in doing so. Hence my statement that Steve Jobs expects me to throw out my optical media collection.
I don't play DVD's (blu ray or otherwise) on my computer. I play them on my set top box and watch them in the living room on a flat screen TV. I don't subscribe to the notion that people want to watch Hi Def movies on, at best, a 27 inch computer monitor or the even more ridiculous notion of watching them on an iPad because of it's intimacy.
Why are Apple killing the DVD format? Care to explain?
Ditch iDVD and provide no Blu Ray support. Very forward thinking. I guess I'll just throw out my library of movies and my player because Apple says it's time.
How are those floppies working for ya?
Why are Apple killing the DVD format? Care to explain?
And exactly how are they supposed to do this when they still employ optical drives in nearly every product they sell and still distribute most of their software not included with the OS on optical media?
What has Quicktime and iTunes got to do with iLife? And what kind of "reasons" is just making a list of software? I'm not upgrading because of iMovie is not a reason. I'm not upgrading because I don't need any more from iMovie than I already get, might be, or I'm not upgrading because iMovie blah blah something might work. You can't just pick a piece of software and call it a reason for not upgrading as if we are all psychic and understand what you particular beef is.
I'm not updating because there's a trend with each new release of dropping functionality from the previous release. All the apps I listed are examples of that practice.
No, it's not forward thinking. iMovie HD in 2006 was forward thinking.
Go ahead and buy a HD camcorder, make a movie with iLife and now what are you supposed to do with it? Upload it to Mobile Me and share it with family that might not have broadband?
Hey Grandpa, download this movie this weekend while your out of town and it might be finished by Monday morning. This is assuming Grandpa HAS a computer in the first place.
DVD's are perfect for sharing with non tech people, the kind that don't visit this forum. Not everyone thinks like the community here, thank goodness.
As far as Blu Ray being outdated in a couple of years, I agree with you. You see, I have a blu ray player and whenever I adopt a new format it gets killed within four years. Betamax, VHS, VHS-C, 8MM, Hi-8, Toshiba Hi Def. The last one I killed in less than a month!!
You are assuming the new iMovie won't let you burn your movie to a DVD.
Moving on? This is pretty common for Amazon. For many years they?ve put up placeholders for Apple products that did not exist. The only difference here being that it?s a book, not the SW pack.
BTW, how many of you will buy iLife ?11 from a DVD instead of simply buying the serial code online after installing the download? DVD media isn?t nearly as common as it used to be for computers. Most videos we consume are streamed, most apps we install are downloaded. It?s only a matter of time before the optical drive is removed from notebooks the way floppy drives and serial ports were.
I'm not updating because there's a trend with each new release of dropping functionality from the previous release. All the apps I listed are examples of that practice.
Ah, OK. So what did iTunes use to do that it doesn't do now? Same goes for them all I suppose. Genuinely interested.
It's about time Apple update iWeb. At Least, iWeb needs theme creation and blog control using web based interface (maybe the iOS version will have this). I would also like to see iWeb being able to create iOS optimized web pages.
That would be great.
NO, your assumption was that by removing iDVD, DVD burning from the iLife suite would be dropped.
Lots of people don't burn DVDs - do some quick web research, DVD recorders completely failed to take off, people use TiVO/Sky +. Consumers don't like physical media, they like convenience. It takes a LONG time to burn a DVD in iDVD, most people simply upload to youtube or share digitally. I'm more excited by the new features of iLife than I am be the ongoing evolution of how we store and share media - DVDs will always have a place in the market, as will people who still use VCRs and even those who love vinyl. Niche markets are not an important component in a consumer pleasing suite of easy to use software.
Where are we going? We're moving to digital streaming media, the wireless networked home streaming content from all your digital devices to one an other, we're moving to 4096 displays and stunning HD, and we're moving away from £20 to buy a movie on blu-ray. Optical media, physical purchases will die as soon as the telecoms infrastructure can deal with it. At the least, we'll see media on ultra hight capacity SD cards as standard within the next two years.
There is no way for you to know how many people burn DVD's. Unless you are going to do a door to door survey. Apple once assumed that FireWire camcorders should be destroyed and took the firewire port off of the MacBook. They put it back on when Apple realized they don't steer the camcorder market.
As far as digital streaming media, how much of the world (trying to be fair to you non Americans here) has broadband internet? How much of the world has wireless "n" networking in their homes? People are never ever ever going to toss out optical media for streaming that skips and stutters all through the movie. We'll get there one day, but not today.
Annnnnnnd another thread ruin by Blackintosh. He?s surely made this week?s quota on this one thread alone. Hopefully that means he?ll be taking the rest of the week off so we can intelligent adult discussions around here. Thanks guys¡
Really Solipsism, such a unprovoked attack. Try responding to the points I make. If you have the intelligence.
As far as taking the rest of the week off, forget about it.
Look, I hate to be so negative, but when Apple does something STUPID I'm going to call them out on it. Someday DVD media will be obsolete, but not today. It's too soon. That's the point. It's really a simple one. Too simple for Mr. Solipsism I guess.
You are assuming the new iMovie won't let you burn your movie to a DVD.
Yes, I am assuming this, I am presuming this, I am predicting this. So is the article. If they want to move iDVD into iMovie, fine. My objection is to Killing it. Nobody likes to be killed you know.
I'm not updating because there's a trend with each new release of dropping functionality from the previous release. All the apps I listed are examples of that practice.
Agree. The new QuickTime doesn't as much as the old pro version. Why not?
The new Apple TV does less then the old one.
As far as iTunes, I refuse to give up my colored icons. The world is a better place with different colors.
So the 64-bit thing... does that mean 64-bit only, or that the whole suite will run in both? I have an original Dore Duo machine, which is 32-bit.
64 bit apps tend to be universal - they would have to be for iLife since most of the macs boot into 32-bit.
You are assuming the new iMovie won't let you burn your movie to a DVD.
I am pretty sure that is already possible anyway - I thought that iPhoto has some DVD creation built in. I would have to check to make sure. If it wasn't already they would just add it in.
That said, it's perfectly understandable that Apple doesn't want to invest the resources to upgrade it to 64-bit. So leaving it out of iLife allows them to declare "iLife is 64-bit!" iDVD is perfectly usable as it is. I've used it many times. Hopefully Apple will put it online for people to download if they don't get it with their Mac purchase and it's removed from iLife.
<snip> You see, I have a blu ray player and whenever I adopt a new format it gets killed within four years. Betamax, VHS, VHS-C, 8MM, Hi-8, Toshiba Hi Def. The last one I killed in less than a month!!
What, you where the person who bought a Kin? Good going...