Microsoft exec says Zune software coming to the Mac

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  • Reply 41 of 133
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nicolbolas View Post


    on my Mac and Pc, Itunes is bloated.... takes a long time to load, sync, etc.... i have really just given up on it... winamp is much cooler anyways



    I can't get past WinAmp's ugly interface. It's a total turnoff. It's quite possible that WinAmp is quite capable, but damn, it's ugly.
  • Reply 42 of 133
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    Originally Posted by benice View Post


    I was waiting to see if there'd be a sensible comment encouraging MS on this! I can't see any bad thing with MS writing more software that includes mac users.



    At the moment it's fair to say MS is try harder to reach out to Apple platforms and users (several MS apps on iOS, Office 2011) than Apple is reaching out to MS.





    This is a honest post and not for trolling purposes. I switched to Apple several years ago and still have a mac mini for my media centre. But I switched back to windows a few months ago after I had problems with a 27" iMac but the main reason was due to Apple users.



    I use equipment that suits my needs not because of a brand be that Apple, MS, Sony etc. Now Apple do make sexy products but because you like them does not mean you have to hate everything else. This Apple fanaticism just drove me crazy. MS could come up with the cure for cancer and some of the people on here would find something to complain about. Seriously guys just read some of the comments.
  • Reply 43 of 133
    applappl Posts: 348member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jdsonice View Post


    No sane Mac user would allow any MS software on their Mac.



    Given the facts, this could be read as a statement that a large plurality of Mac users are not sane. Maybe even a majority of Mac users have M$ software, and therefore, according to the statement, are not sane?



    Is that what was meant?
  • Reply 44 of 133
    applappl Posts: 348member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post


    you don't 'look cool' using a mac. you 'look like a douche'



    Justin Long is not a douche. He is a hipster. Everyone wants to be like him, and nobody wants to be like John Hodgman.



    That much should be obvious.
  • Reply 45 of 133
    dreyfus2dreyfus2 Posts: 1,072member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by demitri View Post


    The xbox comes to mind



    Well, if you talk about public reception and dedicated users, you are right. If you talk about money, the Xbox has not generated a penny yet (if you consider the billions that have been written off). And, outside the US, media (movie and music sales) through the Xbox platform are still either irrelevant (compared to iTunes or local providers) or non-existent. Without Windows, Office and some server products, MS would be a huge loss-creator; so, their strength remains to be in old technologies. And I do not see how WP7 will change that; it is little, it is late and the roll-out was not well done at all... Outside of the geek blogs like Engadget, you can't find any more coverage at all. Why? Because people do not think about geek stuff like operating systems, they think about the devices they can / want to buy. Out of the 9 devices introduced, there is no real "star". Ask the general public to name a single of the devices introduced, the vast majority will pass. People can comprehend "iPhone" or "Droid" or "Xbox". Nobody will ask for "a WP7 device"...
  • Reply 46 of 133
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    Originally Posted by appl View Post


    There's a couple of reasons it sucks:



    You must use proprietary software to sync.

    You must buy all your software from one proprietary app store.



    And:



    No cut and paste.

    No multitasking.



    I have no interest in a WinPhone7 because of these 4 factors.



    I personally want to disable cut/copy/paste on my iPad/iPod. I rarely use it and I'm constantly selecting text without meaning to. It's a pain in the butt. Nor can I really think of any reason why I'd need multitasking. Guess I'm a simple user. I don't Twitter (now a verb!). I don't need to be in constant contact with the world. iPhone 1.0 satisfied me fairly well. Still on my original 1st generation iPod touch.



    iTunes isn't proprietary? Did I miss something? Apple doesn't have a proprietary app store? It seems to be that Microsoft is deliberately following Apple's model. If it worked for Apple, it will probably work for Microsoft.
  • Reply 47 of 133
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MonkeyFightingSnake View Post


    Why is everyone always so hostile in here?



    The Zune software is actually really good...It is a lot better than ITunes. I would love it if it came out for my Mac. I have to use my PC for everything with it (not dual booting)



    this guy is the first informed non troll i've seen post in this whole ridiculous thread. too many loud mouth mac fanbois in here, not enough informed unbiased reasoning. I switched to mac because it was a better platform and better hardware. Microsoft for it's part is doing a good job at blurring the line with windows products. It's definitely not exceedingly good with those, but the zune player that runs on windows is an absolute dream compared to the itunes player which has only gotten uglier as time has passed.
  • Reply 48 of 133
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by qualar View Post


    This is a honest post and not for trolling purposes. I switched to Apple several years ago and still have a mac mini for my media centre. But I switched back to windows a few months ago after I had problems with a 27" iMac but the main reason was due to Apple users.



    I use equipment that suits my needs not because of a brand be that Apple, MS, Sony etc. Now Apple do make sexy products but because you like them does not mean you have to hate everything else. This Apple fanaticism just drove me crazy. MS could come up with the cure for cancer and some of the people on here would find something to complain about. Seriously guys just read some of the comments.



    Agreed. Sometimes I think the average age of Mac users is around 10 or so. Some seriously silly comments get logged on this site.
  • Reply 49 of 133
    benicebenice Posts: 382member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by appl View Post


    There's a couple of reasons it sucks:



    You must use proprietary software to sync.

    You must buy all your software from one proprietary app store.



    And:



    No cut and paste.

    No multitasking.



    I have no interest in a WinPhone7 because of these 4 factors.



    1. iPhone needs proprietary software too.

    2. iPhone relies upon a proprietary app store.

    3. Cut and paste is being fixed soon and much faster than Apple fixed it.

    4. Multitasking on iPhone is a mixed solution as well and it's unlikely MS's approach will be any worse than IPhone in managing battery V functionality. Have any credible usability tests yet on the WP7 approach said it's a big deal yet? No.



    Microsoft admit they've learned from the Apple experience. Every MS employee that's had an iPhone and is on the WP7 project wants to make something even better. It's human nature and Microsoft is putting that enthusiasm to work in building their OS.
  • Reply 50 of 133
    foljsfoljs Posts: 390member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nicolbolas View Post


    on my Mac and Pc, Itunes is bloated.... takes a long time to load, sync, etc.... i have really just given up on it... winamp is much cooler anyways



    90% of the use of the word "bloated" in respect to software is technically meaningless.



    For example, the common misconception that "more features" = "slower": since modern memory management (that is, since forever) more features does not mean slower loading software.



    The other misconception that program size is an indicator of "bloat": most of the size of a modern program is used not by code but by resources such as background images, various icons, template files, sounds and such. That iTunes is, say, 80MB and mpg123 (a command line mp3 player) is, say, 2MB does not say anything useful.



    I wonder about that "takes a long time to load". How much time exactly? On what machine? A 2005 PPC with a 200GB mp3 library choke-full of loseless files? From a cold boot?



    "Takes a long time to sync" is another matter. It depends on what it is syncing, the size of your library, etc. You DO know that syncing also automatically backups your iPhone, right? Or that you CAN turn the backup part of the sync off?
  • Reply 51 of 133
    sheffsheff Posts: 1,407member
    Great - 3 mac users are not jumping with joy....



    I have been bashing this thing for a while ,ever since I went to the store to check out Zune. The UI that everyone seems to be exited about felt totally unintuitive and uneffective to me. That said I will definately go to a store and see what it's all about, but there is absolutely no reason for me or anyone else who has paid for apple or android apps to switch over to this platform. No crazy features, and the same crappy UI that gave zune its 2% market share.
  • Reply 52 of 133
    applappl Posts: 348member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post


    I can't get past WinAmp's ugly interface. It's a total turnoff. It's quite possible that WinAmp is quite capable, but damn, it's ugly.



    I just installed it a week ago or so. I had forgotten why I avoided it in the past.



    It changed every single on of my file associations without asking me. It wants to open every damn media file on my computer. It runs as a service even when I close the program.



    I hate it. I prefer software that behaves itself.
  • Reply 53 of 133
    plovellplovell Posts: 826member
    Will it sync a Kin too ??
  • Reply 54 of 133
    applappl Posts: 348member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by qualar View Post




    I use equipment that suits my needs not because of a brand be that Apple, MS, Sony etc. .



    I have relatively little experience with Apple. But when I got an iPhone, I was shocked at how it didn't meet my minimum needs - it was less capable in important ways compared to my former smartphone. Mostly the user interface, which was positively stone-age compared to PalmOS.



    The lack of codecs kind of kills the entire iOS line for me. I want a product that works for me. I don't want to have to work for my device, a slave to its limited capabilities. It should just work.
  • Reply 55 of 133
    applappl Posts: 348member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post


    I personally want to disable cut/copy/paste on my iPad/iPod. I rarely use it and I'm constantly selecting text without meaning to. It's a pain in the butt.





    iTunes isn't proprietary? Did I miss something? Apple doesn't have a proprietary app store? It seems to be that Microsoft is deliberately following Apple's model. If it worked for Apple, it will probably work for Microsoft.





    I would like to have the ability to turn off cut and paste as well. It constantly rears its ugly face when I accidently touch the screen, and Maybe SBSettings will make it easy?



    And yes, I've learned my lesson with proprietary app stores. They are unacceptable to me.
  • Reply 56 of 133
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by microgluf View Post


    Considering most of today's Mac users left MS for a good reason, I don't understand why would anyone using a Mac want to have a Zune or even a Windblowz 7 "smart" device.



    Please Micro$oft, get realistic, ask Balmer to put down his crack pipe and stop sniffing glue.. Do you seriously believe a Mac user would want to install buggy M$ software.... ?



    Anyway, thats for my $0.02



    How many people dual boot Mac OS and Windows? So did they really leave MS?
  • Reply 57 of 133
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,901member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by appl View Post


    I have relatively little experience with Apple. But when I got an iPhone, I was shocked at how it didn't meet my minimum needs - it was less capable in important ways compared to my former smartphone. Mostly the user interface, which was positively stone-age compared to PalmOS.



    The lack of codecs kind of kills the entire iOS line for me. I want a product that works for me. I don't want to have to work for my device, a slave to its limited capabilities. It should just work.



    Then the iPhone is not for you. No product is for everyone. Except maybe air, which is free. So far. Thank god for the 7 (14?) day grace period, eh?
  • Reply 58 of 133
    Choice is good...
  • Reply 59 of 133
    Put your energy where it will do the most good. Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too late to become a player in this space. The living room is the battleground to win now..
  • Reply 59 of 133
    oo63oo63 Posts: 10member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post


    MS need to have their Zune software running on Macs when the Zune first came out... Its too late now...



    Perhaps it will cater to individual who want a subscription service...



    This is 100% true. I waited about a year for a Zune Mac software when I switched to Mac, to no avail. Sold the Zune, got a Touch and never looking back. If they had a Mac software upon launch, MS would've had one extra Zune customer.
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