This is a honest post and not for trolling purposes. I switched to Apple several years ago and still have a mac mini for my media centre. But I switched back to windows a few months ago after I had problems with a 27" iMac but the main reason was due to Apple users.
I use equipment that suits my needs not because of a brand be that Apple, MS, Sony etc. Now Apple do make sexy products but because you like them does not mean you have to hate everything else. This Apple fanaticism just drove me crazy. MS could come up with the cure for cancer and some of the people on here would find something to complain about. Seriously guys just read some of the comments.
Okay, you want to be the voice or reason and common sense but then you dropped Apple and switched back to Windows mainly because you don't like the attitude and behavior of Apple users? Are you also bothered by the interior paint scheme of the guy who lives four houses down the block from you? :-)
Oboy, Zune on a smartphone! Now I can finally trash that old Newton and buy into a real white elephant device! Does it suck and crash like an authentic Microsoft device, or does it stink for newly fascinating reasons?
Not holding my breath on this one considering how long it took them just to get Zune software working on Win7, course it is Win7.
Here is that first sentence again but now correctly edited: 'In an effort to discourage Mac users from adopting one of its new Windows Phone 7 handsets, Microsoft will reportedly deploy later this a year the first version of its Zune media software targeted at Apple users.'
I know. who in their right mind would want some crappy Microsoft Zune device and software infecting their Mac when they have the far superior iTunes with iPhones and iPods?
I have owned three iPods and currently an iPhone 3GS. We have a Mac Mini, a Macbook and an Apple TV (new version). I like Apple's products and have been using them since my first Apple IIc back in high school.
The last thing we Apple user's need is this type of negative, BS mentality. It just makes us Apple fans look like idiots. Sorry, but the Zune HD is very nice product when it comes to media playback (apps are worthless). Combine it with the Zune marketplace for rental each month (and 10 songs to keep as well) and you have a great experience with easy-to-use interface and better sound quality.
I owned a Zune HD for about 6 months. The only reason I sold it was because I bought an iPhone in addition to giving our PC to a friend who needed a computer. I though about loading Windows 7 Professional on my Mac Mini, but the HDD is just too small to support two OSes.
If someone doesn't like the Zune, that is fine, but PLEASE don't make some worthless, blanket statement based on a total lack of experience with the product.
If MS truly gives full Zune software support on OS X, then I will consider buying another...but the software better have the same functionality as the Windows version.
Considering most of today's Mac users left MS for a good reason, I don't understand why would anyone using a Mac want to have a Zune or even a Windblowz 7 "smart" device.
Anyway, thats for my $0.02
You have to give some Mac users some credit. They may be Zune owners who just switched to Mac.
Put your energy where it will do the most good. Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too late to become a player in this space. The living room is the battleground to win now..
I disagree. The mobile space is the current and next battle ground. Then again, perhaps that's tied to the living room. Perhaps the real battle isn't what's in the user's hand (or under their television), but the back end services.
Okay, you want to be the voice or reason and common sense but then you dropped Apple and switched back to Windows mainly because you don't like the attitude and behavior of Apple users? Are you also bothered by the interior paint scheme of the guy who lives four houses down the block from you? :-)
I too, am embarrassed by Apple fanboys - emphasis on "boys". Their immaturity is just cringe inducing. It's also much easier to move away from these fanboys than it is to move from your neighbors. But the concept is the same. You move away from things that bother you. "Oh, you live down the street from that guy in the purple polka-dotted house, don't you"? You don't want to be associated with them. Why is this so hard to understand?
What is with some people to show their ignorance by slamming MS? Please.
The Zune is a nice piece of hardware and is unique and a thumbs up to MS. Windows 7 is pretty nice. Not perfect, but what is? ....
The Monkeyboy days are over. And a BIG THUMBS DOWN on Appleinsider for slyly implying and wording things in a way to make Balmer look stupid. The article yesterday made Appleinsider look stupid and NOT CREDIBLE.
I'm almost ready to stop coming to AI because of the highly slanted articles that are a disservice to EVERYONE.
Anyone at AI reading this? How about some balance? How about not looking so stupid and not credible? How about less yellow journalism?
Fair and Balanced, boycott, Sly implications, yellow journalism, losing credibility etc.? You sound like Fox News and I find it ironic you're using more colorful flagrant slanderous language than the article/ journalist you lambasted. I don't think Ai ever purported to be a journalistic website. I never took it that way. So my advice to you; Go away! We will no lament your loss. No one cares. Thank you!
I've tried most of the alternatives, including iWorks. Office on the Mac works the best as an all around Package. Word is better then Pages. That doesn't mean Pages doesn't do some things better or for 90 percent of the planet or it isn't a better choice considering the cost of Office (especially when I guess most Mac users only use Word). I do like Keynote better then Powerpoint, but for power users Powerpoint has more features.
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That’s a lot of these people considering the sales rankings.
This rumour is based upon a ≤140 character tweet, one that was not substantial enough to detail how Mac users will be able to use a Zune or a Windows Phone Series 7 Mobile Series Phone Windows whatever (sorry, even the shorter name is still just as awkward). Perhaps Microsoft's intent is to say that Mac users will be able to use the Zune software inside of a Windows VM (Parallels or Fusion) or with Boot Camp. We're still testing and will release our findings soon...
Hopefully they are releasing a native client. I hear good things about the Zune, and if nothing else, the competition for Microsoft may force Apple to give us a few things we (I anyway) have been dying to see...
Zune Pass: effectively $5/month (after you take the $10 worth of music you get to keep) for unlimited access to all the music available in the Zune Marketplace. Steve says nobody wants to rent music. I disagree. I had a Rhapsody-To-Go membership for a few years and loved it.
Wireless Syncing: In this day and age, it's silly that I still have to plug my iOS device physically into a computer to sync when I have a perfectly good wireless network available. My device should be able to sync while it sits on my nightstand charging, ready in the morning for my latest podcasts.
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Originally Posted by polar315
Put your energy where it will do the most good. Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too late to become a player in this space. The living room is the battleground to win now..
I'm convinced this was the idea behind the Zune in the first place. Microsoft probably knows they're not going to win the war over the iPod. The 360 is a very successful device, one that when coupled with Windows Media Center provides great access to content, moreso even than my beloved AppleTV (because of WMC's built-in support for DVR functionality). But to succeed, Microsoft needs a portable device too. That'd be the Zune. Record your favorite shows. Watch them on your TV when you're at home, or transfer them to your Zune so you can catch up on the bus to work.
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Originally Posted by TBell
I've tried most of the alternatives, including iWorks. Office on the Mac works the best as an all around Package. Word is better then Pages. That doesn't mean Pages doesn't do some things better or for 90 percent of the planet or it isn't a better choice considering the cost of Office (especially when I guess most Mac users only use Word). I do like Keynote better then Powerpoint, but for power users Powerpoint has more features.
I disagree. Word stinks. It suffers from feature bloat, and the ribbon makes it harder to find (in my opinion) the functions you need. It's what everyone uses, and it does have functionality that Pages doesn't have, but for 99.9% of my word processing needs and page layout needs, Pages is faster and more intuitive than Word (and this from someone who's been using word since version 1.0 under Windows 3.1). For the other .1% I use Word or NeoOffice, or InDesign.
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon
I can't get past WinAmp's ugly interface. It's a total turnoff. It's quite possible that WinAmp is quite capable, but damn, it's ugly.
Try downloading the classic version of WinAmp (there's a site out there somewhere, oldversions.com or something, that allows you to download older revs of software). Anything past about WinAmp 3 is bloated. Do we really need integrated web browsing? Support for video playback of WMV/AVI files that can open websites? No. WinAmp 2.x was a very lightweight audio player. There are some nice skins out there that give it a more streamlined look. I used to run it with a MacOS Classic skin that was rather nice.
I've tried most of the alternatives, including iWorks. Office on the Mac works the best as an all around Package. Word is better then Pages. That doesn't mean Pages doesn't do some things better or for 90 percent of the planet or it isn't a better choice considering the cost of Office (especially when I guess most Mac users only use Word). I do like Keynote better then Powerpoint, but for power users Powerpoint has more features.
After yelling at my computer I realized that Numbers is pretty awful. I don't even think I'm doing anything to extreme, either.
I do use Pages more than Word but that may change soon. It has boggling issues that are simply anti-Apple, IMO.
Rule of thumb: If it take you more steps to do on Mac OS X over Windows then you are probably doing it wrong. Pages and Numbers are clear exceptions. But in their defense they are very new compared to Office.
At the moment it's fair to say MS is try harder to reach out to Apple platforms and users (several MS apps on iOS, Office 2011) than Apple is reaching out to MS.
You could not be more mistaken. You do realize that on the Mac platform (most machines) you can configure to boot up Windows or Mac ...... still don't see that ability on PC machines.
Funny enough, I can't find that word in any dictionary.
You might consider getting a better dictionary then, the adverb "funnily" is listed in all dictionaries I have (including Collins, Oxford, Pons and American Heritage)... you can also find it under section 3. here: http://mw2.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/funnily
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This is a honest post and not for trolling purposes. I switched to Apple several years ago and still have a mac mini for my media centre. But I switched back to windows a few months ago after I had problems with a 27" iMac but the main reason was due to Apple users.
I use equipment that suits my needs not because of a brand be that Apple, MS, Sony etc. Now Apple do make sexy products but because you like them does not mean you have to hate everything else. This Apple fanaticism just drove me crazy. MS could come up with the cure for cancer and some of the people on here would find something to complain about. Seriously guys just read some of the comments.
Okay, you want to be the voice or reason and common sense but then you dropped Apple and switched back to Windows mainly because you don't like the attitude and behavior of Apple users? Are you also bothered by the interior paint scheme of the guy who lives four houses down the block from you? :-)
I choose to use OpenOffice on my MacBook Pro not because I hate Microsoft, but because I'm a cheap bastard
These words are not allowed to be used together in the same sentence.
Oboy, Zune on a smartphone! Now I can finally trash that old Newton and buy into a real white elephant device! Does it suck and crash like an authentic Microsoft device, or does it stink for newly fascinating reasons?
Not holding my breath on this one considering how long it took them just to get Zune software working on Win7, course it is Win7.
I choose to use OpenOffice on my MacBook Pro not because I hate Microsoft, but because I am now a BROKE bastard
There I fixed it for you.
I know. who in their right mind would want some crappy Microsoft Zune device and software infecting their Mac when they have the far superior iTunes with iPhones and iPods?
I have owned three iPods and currently an iPhone 3GS. We have a Mac Mini, a Macbook and an Apple TV (new version). I like Apple's products and have been using them since my first Apple IIc back in high school.
The last thing we Apple user's need is this type of negative, BS mentality. It just makes us Apple fans look like idiots. Sorry, but the Zune HD is very nice product when it comes to media playback (apps are worthless). Combine it with the Zune marketplace for rental each month (and 10 songs to keep as well) and you have a great experience with easy-to-use interface and better sound quality.
I owned a Zune HD for about 6 months. The only reason I sold it was because I bought an iPhone in addition to giving our PC to a friend who needed a computer. I though about loading Windows 7 Professional on my Mac Mini, but the HDD is just too small to support two OSes.
If someone doesn't like the Zune, that is fine, but PLEASE don't make some worthless, blanket statement based on a total lack of experience with the product.
If MS truly gives full Zune software support on OS X, then I will consider buying another...but the software better have the same functionality as the Windows version.
Considering most of today's Mac users left MS for a good reason, I don't understand why would anyone using a Mac want to have a Zune or even a Windblowz 7 "smart" device.
Anyway, thats for my $0.02
You have to give some Mac users some credit. They may be Zune owners who just switched to Mac.
Put your energy where it will do the most good. Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too late to become a player in this space. The living room is the battleground to win now..
I disagree. The mobile space is the current and next battle ground. Then again, perhaps that's tied to the living room. Perhaps the real battle isn't what's in the user's hand (or under their television), but the back end services.
Funnily,
Funny enough, I can't find that word in any dictionary.
Okay, you want to be the voice or reason and common sense but then you dropped Apple and switched back to Windows mainly because you don't like the attitude and behavior of Apple users? Are you also bothered by the interior paint scheme of the guy who lives four houses down the block from you? :-)
I too, am embarrassed by Apple fanboys - emphasis on "boys". Their immaturity is just cringe inducing. It's also much easier to move away from these fanboys than it is to move from your neighbors. But the concept is the same. You move away from things that bother you. "Oh, you live down the street from that guy in the purple polka-dotted house, don't you"? You don't want to be associated with them. Why is this so hard to understand?
There's a couple of reasons it sucks:
You must use proprietary software to sync.
You must buy all your software from one proprietary app store.
And:
No cut and paste.
No multitasking.
I have no interest in a WinPhone7 because of these 4 factors.
After the first two I thought you were talking about the iPhone....
What is with some people to show their ignorance by slamming MS? Please.
The Zune is a nice piece of hardware and is unique and a thumbs up to MS. Windows 7 is pretty nice. Not perfect, but what is? ....
The Monkeyboy days are over. And a BIG THUMBS DOWN on Appleinsider for slyly implying and wording things in a way to make Balmer look stupid. The article yesterday made Appleinsider look stupid and NOT CREDIBLE.
I'm almost ready to stop coming to AI because of the highly slanted articles that are a disservice to EVERYONE.
Anyone at AI reading this? How about some balance? How about not looking so stupid and not credible? How about less yellow journalism?
Fair and Balanced, boycott, Sly implications, yellow journalism, losing credibility etc.? You sound like Fox News and I find it ironic you're using more colorful flagrant slanderous language than the article/ journalist you lambasted. I don't think Ai ever purported to be a journalistic website. I never took it that way. So my advice to you; Go away! We will no lament your loss. No one cares. Thank you!
That’s a lot of these people considering the sales rankings.Perhaps… just maybe... Office for Mac has features that make it more ideal for people in general.
putting stone wheels on your mercedes.
you don't 'look cool' using a mac. you 'look like a douche'
if you believe the objects in your life confer any value as to the substance of a human, then who is really the douche?
Hopefully they are releasing a native client. I hear good things about the Zune, and if nothing else, the competition for Microsoft may force Apple to give us a few things we (I anyway) have been dying to see...
Zune Pass: effectively $5/month (after you take the $10 worth of music you get to keep) for unlimited access to all the music available in the Zune Marketplace. Steve says nobody wants to rent music. I disagree. I had a Rhapsody-To-Go membership for a few years and loved it.
Wireless Syncing: In this day and age, it's silly that I still have to plug my iOS device physically into a computer to sync when I have a perfectly good wireless network available. My device should be able to sync while it sits on my nightstand charging, ready in the morning for my latest podcasts.
Put your energy where it will do the most good. Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too late to become a player in this space. The living room is the battleground to win now..
I'm convinced this was the idea behind the Zune in the first place. Microsoft probably knows they're not going to win the war over the iPod. The 360 is a very successful device, one that when coupled with Windows Media Center provides great access to content, moreso even than my beloved AppleTV (because of WMC's built-in support for DVR functionality). But to succeed, Microsoft needs a portable device too. That'd be the Zune. Record your favorite shows. Watch them on your TV when you're at home, or transfer them to your Zune so you can catch up on the bus to work.
I've tried most of the alternatives, including iWorks. Office on the Mac works the best as an all around Package. Word is better then Pages. That doesn't mean Pages doesn't do some things better or for 90 percent of the planet or it isn't a better choice considering the cost of Office (especially when I guess most Mac users only use Word). I do like Keynote better then Powerpoint, but for power users Powerpoint has more features.
I disagree. Word stinks. It suffers from feature bloat, and the ribbon makes it harder to find (in my opinion) the functions you need. It's what everyone uses, and it does have functionality that Pages doesn't have, but for 99.9% of my word processing needs and page layout needs, Pages is faster and more intuitive than Word (and this from someone who's been using word since version 1.0 under Windows 3.1). For the other .1% I use Word or NeoOffice, or InDesign.
I can't get past WinAmp's ugly interface. It's a total turnoff. It's quite possible that WinAmp is quite capable, but damn, it's ugly.
Try downloading the classic version of WinAmp (there's a site out there somewhere, oldversions.com or something, that allows you to download older revs of software). Anything past about WinAmp 3 is bloated. Do we really need integrated web browsing? Support for video playback of WMV/AVI files that can open websites? No. WinAmp 2.x was a very lightweight audio player. There are some nice skins out there that give it a more streamlined look. I used to run it with a MacOS Classic skin that was rather nice.
I've tried most of the alternatives, including iWorks. Office on the Mac works the best as an all around Package. Word is better then Pages. That doesn't mean Pages doesn't do some things better or for 90 percent of the planet or it isn't a better choice considering the cost of Office (especially when I guess most Mac users only use Word). I do like Keynote better then Powerpoint, but for power users Powerpoint has more features.
After yelling at my computer I realized that Numbers is pretty awful. I don't even think I'm doing anything to extreme, either.
I do use Pages more than Word but that may change soon. It has boggling issues that are simply anti-Apple, IMO.
Rule of thumb: If it take you more steps to do on Mac OS X over Windows then you are probably doing it wrong. Pages and Numbers are clear exceptions. But in their defense they are very new compared to Office.
At the moment it's fair to say MS is try harder to reach out to Apple platforms and users (several MS apps on iOS, Office 2011) than Apple is reaching out to MS.
You could not be more mistaken. You do realize that on the Mac platform (most machines) you can configure to boot up Windows or Mac ...... still don't see that ability on PC machines.
Funny enough, I can't find that word in any dictionary.
You might consider getting a better dictionary then, the adverb "funnily" is listed in all dictionaries I have (including Collins, Oxford, Pons and American Heritage)... you can also find it under section 3. here: http://mw2.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/funnily
HTH