I just read WebOS is also going to be released for PCs. Not sure if it's true or not. Presumably a mouse and keyboard version. Anyone heard anything about this?
That's what they said. I don't see that doing too well.
On topic, I am a bit shocked at the Fisher-Price icons at the bottom of the screens. Will they never get it that this kind of detail matters? Fake-jaunty is not user-friendly, as they imagine. It is infantilizing (sp?). Google also has this problem. The opposite of classy. Derives from Microsoft, now I think about it.
I do think the "handoff" transfer of web pages by touching the Pre to the TouchPad is kind of cool. But summer is a long way off. Did they mention pricing? I was following Engadget for a little while but didn't hear prices for any of the phones or the TouchPad.
I think HP is going to deliver a pretty good product. If they can return to their roots they should be able to match, or come close. to Apple's quality.
I can see two big challenges for them. The first is competing with Android for Non-Apple market share. HP might have left it too late to get a major foot in the door.
The other is the availability of components at prices competitive to Apple's. SInce Apple is now known to pre-pay for components they consider critical - and to get a nice discount in return - it is going to be difficult for HP to deliver quality at a price point that is both competitive and profitable.
As an old Palm V owner (shows how old I am) I'll wish them then best in taking market share from Android.
That's what they said, and to me it was the biggest news of that show.
The products looked impressive. HP's move here is impressive. I'm looking for battery life and pricing on anything and not seeing it.
But HP could make some serious noise, They seem to be implementing an apple-like strategy and they have many of the same tools to work with....not all, but they even have a couple advantages, including a vastly larger PC base.
I don't know, I'm not going to jump to conclusions, but if they get devs behind it and HP offesr some enticing deals to content providers......well they could do well for themselves in this new era of computing.
We will see where it goes.
What I am most interested in is how they cultivate an ecosystem compared to Apple's.....
Microsoft is on shaky ground the next decade or so IYAM. Critical times for them.
I don't see any of this doing well. Not a single thing that wasn't "cute" as a new feature. Touching devices is cute, but not very useful. And that was the biggest feature update.
I could be mistaken, but didn't HPs CEO just come out saying they're not going to announce products without being able to release them soon? as others have said, ipad 2 is going to be way ahead by the time HPs products are out the door. and although they seem to be emulating apples style, at least they seem to be putting out a good, competitive product instead of just another "me too" out there. certainly looks better than android.
That's what they said. I don't see that doing too well.
I wouldn't be so sure. There are a lot of people out there for whom a traditional PC (especially running Windows, so some segment of HP's customer base) is just way too complicated, to the point where they use it as little as possible and fear it like a trip to the dentist. I think they might be able to sell more than a few of these to those living in PC fear. I think Apple could probably sell more than a few keyboard+mouse iOS PCs to the same demographic.
The phones look like a complete fail to me but the tablet looks interesting and (finally!) some real competition for Apple.
Why they would release only phones with little plastic keyboards and no touch-keyboard phones is just mystifying, as is the decision that we were all lacking a *smaller* phone than the Pre. Those things just make me go WTF?! but the tablet looks kind of nice.
One things seriously missing from the iPad is any kind of phone/tablet integration (or a decent email app but that's another story), and I've often wished for it when I'm travelling with both. Why should I have to either use iPads crappy email program or pull my phone out of my pocket every time it gets mail? I'm usually typing on the iPad when it happens and they are both within bluetooth range of each other (heck they are even in RFID range of each other), and are often sitting on the same network.
What was there about the tablet that got to you? I couldn't find anything. Same screen size. same resolution, but in obsolete 18 bit color. Really, these days on a tablet? I guess the screen was cheaper.
The rest of the features looked as though they came out of a rumors site for the iPad2, except that there's only one camera, for video calls. Otherwise, nothing of note.
I don't see any of this doing well. Not a single thing that wasn't "cute" as a new feature. Touching devices is cute, but not very useful. And that was the biggest feature update.
It doesn't have to be all-new ideas, features. Apple has never been feature-centric.
The interesting thing here is HP taking control of the software.
You dont have to make brand new eye poping features, you need to make your features work better than your competitors.
WebOS may or may not be able to do that, but this is the first truly intriguing, non-apple entry into the mobile space in the last couple years in my mind.
1.6 pounds. That's a tiny bit heavier than the first iPad, isn't it?
iPad is 1.5 lbs for Wifi-only, 1.6 lbs for 3G. Presumably the stats they quoted are for the Wifi-only (3G and 4G versions are to follow), so a tiny bit heavier. It's also half a mm thicker.
The hardware is fairly conservative (for a Summer 2011 ship date) so I expect battery life and price to be similar to the iPad too.
I doubt it'll look competitive next to the iPad 2 though.
On topic, I am a bit shocked at the Fisher-Price icons at the bottom of the screens. Will they never get it that this kind of detail matters? Fake-jaunty is not user-friendly, as they imagine. It is infantilizing (sp?). Google also has this problem. The opposite of classy. Derives from Microsoft, now I think about it.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of "cartoon" interfaces either
1.6 pounds. That's a tiny bit heavier than the first iPad, isn't it?
Same as my 3G model. But that's without 3G on the Touchpad. will it also gain weight when 3/4G is there? Likely a bit, but GPS is already in there, as it SHOULD be for the WiFi iPad.
BUT, if the iPad two uses the same radio chip as the Verizon iPhone, it won't have it again. We'll need 3G to get it.
They announced it, but were very fuzzy about details.
I suspect, that they will run WebOS apps in a Windows 7 window (or windows) -- maybe using a WebOS simulator.
Apple could easily do this, as the code already exists. However, I suspect that Apple will more tightly integrate iOS and Mac OS X Lion at the system level.
Yeah I think you'll be able to run iPad apps in Lion's full screen mode. This will eventually lead to one app running across all OS X devices/computers natively.
It looks like this is a blatant copycat of iPad forms. May be some of the recent rumors of iPad2 is just this one? The real iPad2 may have a rear camera after all. News articles about the iPad and iPhone competitors always neglect the batter issue. But the battery is one important area that iPad and iPhone excels.
I keep thinking about how all the tablets that are coming out look like the iPad. But really, what can they do? All tablets are pretty much alike in form. Unless they go for a 16:9 screen, which is good for Tv and movies, but bad for everything else, the shape is going to be about the same. They've all got to have a clean flat face, with about the same amount of margin around the screen. Rounded corners, but not too much, so that it doesn't cut into the holding area. Few buttons. Thin, with a small border around the edge. What else can it look like? It's just the software that will make it look different, once it's on.
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This HP announcement had less details than the RIM PlayBook announcement...
No Price, No Availability, No Battery Specs!
Apparently, they had live demos, though!
That's better than placing the tablet in a glass casing for everyone to just stare at and play some fancy videos like RIM did.
Oh that's a shame, I thought it was a full alternative to Windows for a moment aimed at HP PCs. Now I stop to think I see that was stupid.
My impression, based solely on the engadget live blog images, was that these were PCs running webOS, not Windows machines with a webOS layer:
Looks like a boot screen, but really no details.
I just read WebOS is also going to be released for PCs. Not sure if it's true or not. Presumably a mouse and keyboard version. Anyone heard anything about this?
That's what they said. I don't see that doing too well.
It looks like this is a blatant copycat of iPad forms. May be some of the recent rumors of iPad2 is just this one? ...
"This one" isn't anywhere near production yet, so unlikely.
Very nice. No picture credit? Wert thou there?
On topic, I am a bit shocked at the Fisher-Price icons at the bottom of the screens. Will they never get it that this kind of detail matters? Fake-jaunty is not user-friendly, as they imagine. It is infantilizing (sp?). Google also has this problem. The opposite of classy. Derives from Microsoft, now I think about it.
Pic was From Jason Snell
http://www.macworld.com/article/1577...bos_event.html
I do think the "handoff" transfer of web pages by touching the Pre to the TouchPad is kind of cool. But summer is a long way off. Did they mention pricing? I was following Engadget for a little while but didn't hear prices for any of the phones or the TouchPad.
No pricing. No battery life.
I can see two big challenges for them. The first is competing with Android for Non-Apple market share. HP might have left it too late to get a major foot in the door.
The other is the availability of components at prices competitive to Apple's. SInce Apple is now known to pre-pay for components they consider critical - and to get a nice discount in return - it is going to be difficult for HP to deliver quality at a price point that is both competitive and profitable.
As an old Palm V owner (shows how old I am) I'll wish them then best in taking market share from Android.
That's what they said, and to me it was the biggest news of that show.
The products looked impressive. HP's move here is impressive. I'm looking for battery life and pricing on anything and not seeing it.
But HP could make some serious noise, They seem to be implementing an apple-like strategy and they have many of the same tools to work with....not all, but they even have a couple advantages, including a vastly larger PC base.
I don't know, I'm not going to jump to conclusions, but if they get devs behind it and HP offesr some enticing deals to content providers......well they could do well for themselves in this new era of computing.
We will see where it goes.
What I am most interested in is how they cultivate an ecosystem compared to Apple's.....
Microsoft is on shaky ground the next decade or so IYAM. Critical times for them.
I don't see any of this doing well. Not a single thing that wasn't "cute" as a new feature. Touching devices is cute, but not very useful. And that was the biggest feature update.
It's a neat trick that's good for a demo, but it doesn't seem that useful in real life.
I can see lots of uses for the technology -- using NFC.
You buy stuff at the store, gas station or supermarket:
-- you wave or bump your phone against the POST (Point Of Sale Terminal), cash register, cc machine
-- your payment is digitally sent and recorded
-- your detailed receipt is digitally returned
Boom!
That's what they said. I don't see that doing too well.
I wouldn't be so sure. There are a lot of people out there for whom a traditional PC (especially running Windows, so some segment of HP's customer base) is just way too complicated, to the point where they use it as little as possible and fear it like a trip to the dentist. I think they might be able to sell more than a few of these to those living in PC fear. I think Apple could probably sell more than a few keyboard+mouse iOS PCs to the same demographic.
The phones look like a complete fail to me but the tablet looks interesting and (finally!) some real competition for Apple.
Why they would release only phones with little plastic keyboards and no touch-keyboard phones is just mystifying, as is the decision that we were all lacking a *smaller* phone than the Pre. Those things just make me go WTF?! but the tablet looks kind of nice.
One things seriously missing from the iPad is any kind of phone/tablet integration (or a decent email app but that's another story), and I've often wished for it when I'm travelling with both. Why should I have to either use iPads crappy email program or pull my phone out of my pocket every time it gets mail? I'm usually typing on the iPad when it happens and they are both within bluetooth range of each other (heck they are even in RFID range of each other), and are often sitting on the same network.
What was there about the tablet that got to you? I couldn't find anything. Same screen size. same resolution, but in obsolete 18 bit color. Really, these days on a tablet? I guess the screen was cheaper.
The rest of the features looked as though they came out of a rumors site for the iPad2, except that there's only one camera, for video calls. Otherwise, nothing of note.
I don't see any of this doing well. Not a single thing that wasn't "cute" as a new feature. Touching devices is cute, but not very useful. And that was the biggest feature update.
It doesn't have to be all-new ideas, features. Apple has never been feature-centric.
The interesting thing here is HP taking control of the software.
You dont have to make brand new eye poping features, you need to make your features work better than your competitors.
WebOS may or may not be able to do that, but this is the first truly intriguing, non-apple entry into the mobile space in the last couple years in my mind.
Pic was From Jason Snell
Thanks for posting it. It's a great shot, on a few different levels.
1.6 pounds. That's a tiny bit heavier than the first iPad, isn't it?
iPad is 1.5 lbs for Wifi-only, 1.6 lbs for 3G. Presumably the stats they quoted are for the Wifi-only (3G and 4G versions are to follow), so a tiny bit heavier. It's also half a mm thicker.
The hardware is fairly conservative (for a Summer 2011 ship date) so I expect battery life and price to be similar to the iPad too.
I doubt it'll look competitive next to the iPad 2 though.
Very nice. No picture credit? Wert thou there?
On topic, I am a bit shocked at the Fisher-Price icons at the bottom of the screens. Will they never get it that this kind of detail matters? Fake-jaunty is not user-friendly, as they imagine. It is infantilizing (sp?). Google also has this problem. The opposite of classy. Derives from Microsoft, now I think about it.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of "cartoon" interfaces either
1.6 pounds. That's a tiny bit heavier than the first iPad, isn't it?
Same as my 3G model. But that's without 3G on the Touchpad. will it also gain weight when 3/4G is there? Likely a bit, but GPS is already in there, as it SHOULD be for the WiFi iPad.
BUT, if the iPad two uses the same radio chip as the Verizon iPhone, it won't have it again. We'll need 3G to get it.
They announced it, but were very fuzzy about details.
I suspect, that they will run WebOS apps in a Windows 7 window (or windows) -- maybe using a WebOS simulator.
Apple could easily do this, as the code already exists. However, I suspect that Apple will more tightly integrate iOS and Mac OS X Lion at the system level.
Yeah I think you'll be able to run iPad apps in Lion's full screen mode. This will eventually lead to one app running across all OS X devices/computers natively.
My impression, based solely on the engadget live blog images, was that these were PCs running webOS, not Windows machines with a webOS layer:
Looks like a boot screen, but really no details.
Mmmm....
That is an interesting concept!
It could be:
-- a dual boot
-- a virtualization/simulation
-- an app running full screen
I can visualize that, in the long run, a more intimate (iOS-like) OS will replace the more complex desktop OSes of today -- for many users and uses.
Does HP & WebOS have the bona fides to crank out a full PC OS in less than 1 year?
One with support for accessories, drivers, networks, desktop apps as well as mobile apps.
I don't think even Apple would attempt that in a single step!
MSFT says it is going to take 2 years to Make Win 8 run on ARM.
It looks like this is a blatant copycat of iPad forms. May be some of the recent rumors of iPad2 is just this one? The real iPad2 may have a rear camera after all. News articles about the iPad and iPhone competitors always neglect the batter issue. But the battery is one important area that iPad and iPhone excels.
I keep thinking about how all the tablets that are coming out look like the iPad. But really, what can they do? All tablets are pretty much alike in form. Unless they go for a 16:9 screen, which is good for Tv and movies, but bad for everything else, the shape is going to be about the same. They've all got to have a clean flat face, with about the same amount of margin around the screen. Rounded corners, but not too much, so that it doesn't cut into the holding area. Few buttons. Thin, with a small border around the edge. What else can it look like? It's just the software that will make it look different, once it's on.
This is one issue that should be laid to ret.