Front Row's been broken since iTunes 8. Good riddance.
Know one uses it as it won't play torrents, no flash ( google real reason no flash in iPhone) and it's apples way to get you to buy apple tv but with new tvs with wireless
And ethernet, and Netflix with soon to be hd content, no more DVDs in the mail, imthink Apple tv is over soon.
Peace and Godspeed.
PS besides my Mom needing prayer, my wife and I need a miracle and my Mom we hope, is just fighting an ammonia and not spreading lot cancer which is stage 1 very small dots. I also have some medical stuff going on, pray they can heal/fix that too!!!-!!!!!-!!!-!-!!
It's fine to tell people not to upgrade, but what happens when they need a new computer?
Why not use a vm to run snow leopard for your ppc apps? I'm sure the majority already are running a vm for windows? I don't understand why everyone is freaking out?
Edit: ok, was looking it up and forgot that Mac os is not really virtualizable...so understand the pain.
And I saw someone else already mention that Java is still a go...it just doesn't come preinstalled so you download the latest version.
From everything I've seen Lion is looking pretty awesome. although I'm running an original core duo iMac...which means I have to upgrade my Mac...thinking of buying the wife a new MacBook pro and then assuming hers. I guess we'll see what happens with subsequent builds.
What do you think? Seriously, do you think they're going to hobble QuickTime for 10.7?
This is kind of funny because the whole reason we still *need* Quicktime 7, and the reason most techie types purposely install it, is Apple did "hobble Quicktime" when they released Snow Leopard.
Quicktime 7 is intel, so we're not losing anything we have today. A better alternative however would be if Apple actually fixed the crapped up junky mess that is Quicktime and "un-hobbled" it for Lion. It's not like they haven't had enough time to work on it and it's not like it isn't one of the systems central components.
Java is not an issue if it can be installed if required.
Front Row was ok, but nothing special. There were many alternatives with more functionality so not a problem if it goes.
Rosetta though could be a show stopper for me to upgrade to Lion at the moment as many of the drivers for printers, scanners and other hardware is currently PPC. I also have a number of PPC software packages which I cannot afford to upgrade at the moment, so will have to put it on hold.
I suspect though, that Rosetta will be part of the final package, as a custom install offering. My gut feeling is that it is being optimised for better performance and security and not yet ready to be used.
There is also likely to be a way of installing the Snow Leopard Rosetta onto Lion. So I aint going to panic yet!
I have made the transition to the Intel universe while still maintaining several PowerPC laptops. The absence of Rosetta in Lion is a big problem so my personal view is, No Rosetta, No Lion for me!
If you're that cheap to still be using PowerPC laptops and running PowerPC apps (most likely a seven year old copy of Office I'm guessing), then why even pretend you were thinking of upgrading at all?
I have a mint condition, completely tricked out PowerPC laptop that runs as fast as any of them have ever run and all it's good for is sitting on a shelf in case of power outages. It's impossible to use because it's so slow you'd pull your hair out just trying to write a short paper or cruise the web. The few times I've put Leopard on it, it slows down to half that speed so I run Tiger instead just to keep it reasonable.
I also have a 1st generation MacBook Air that I put together out of spare parts, and it runs rings around the power PC laptop, and you have to be pretty damn slow to be bested by a 1st generation Air.
You can get better performance out of a low end netbook than a PowerPC Mac at this point.
No Front Row? I use it daily. My aging '07 iMac is the perfect entertainment center. I can lay in bed with the remote and use it pretty much like a TV/DVD-player.
... That's great for you - my wife is a journalist and often scans magazines she has done editorials or writing for. We could get a new scanner, but that's hardly the point....
Not trying to be mean here, but you can get a brand new scanner for less than half the cost of a date with your wife. If you buy a printer with it, (a multipurpose device), the scanner "portion" would be maybe 50 bucks.
Scanners and printers are "throwaway" devices nowadays, like toasters, microwaves, and almost any other consumer device under a few hundred dollars. It's sad, it's morally bankrupt, and it probably should be illegal, but that's the way it is.
As an Appleworks 6 user still, I'm not thrilled with Apple's decision. I've got 12 years+ of databases created/maintained w/Appleworks. I was very grateful for Rosetta for keeping me going with all the upgrades to OS X. I never found a database software I liked to switch to, so I stuck with Appleworks. I wish Apple would create a database software for iWorks.
Appleworks has been discontinued for four years. It only existed in the first place, because Apple was nice enough to make a version so people could import and upgrade all their old OS-9 junk and their Claris stuff. It was never meant to be updated at all and it was clear that it wasn't when an update was never released and they moved to iWork instead.
The official upgrade path for Appleworks is iWork. The purpose of Appleworks 6 was to act as a bridge from the old days, to the new software. Most other companies wouldn't even bother to do that.
Learn iWork. It should open all your Appleworks documents, (except you've waited so long now it might not).
edit: sorry I didn't notice your emphasis on databases. Try Bento.
Know one uses it...[completely nonsensical reasons]
No, I don't use it because it doesn't understand tags on media. All of my video content is stored alphabetically under Movies. TV shows aren't separated at all. All of my albums are split apart in and thrown together incorrectly. Front Row is worthless.
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no flash ( google real reason no flash in iPhone)
*snort*
If you're still too blind to know why Flash isn't on iOS devices, there's nothing we can say that will make you admit you're wrong.
Quote:
And ethernet, and Netflix with soon to be hd content, no more DVDs in the mail, imthink Apple tv is over soon.
No Front Row? I use it daily. My aging '07 iMac is the perfect entertainment center. I can lay in bed with the remote and use it pretty much like a TV/DVD-player.
Does removing Front Row mean eliminating support for the remote control? I find it extremely useful (especially when my lazy b*tt isn't about to get up to pause the movie as I head for drinks). At least they could allow you to activate the apple tv interface in the OS.
An Apple dude came to my org to talk on the subject of having Java support on the Mac OS X platform for development. I specifically asked on how Java seems to be getting second class citizen treatment, and he assured me the company was completely committed to it. I don't get it if they're essentially outsourcing it out to someone else.
I'm glad they're still making it easy for Java to run. There are several Java applications I use constantly on my Mac at work, including Oracle SQL Developer and several proprietary, internal applications.
Indeed, we've moved to Macs at work for development and we rely on Java - Oracle SQL Developer, Eclipse, our internal apps. However it is good if the Apple Java runtime is replaced by OpenJDK so that it remains more up to date.
Also anyone that has played Minecraft will also have a dependency on Java!
It's fine to tell people not to upgrade, but what happens when they need a new computer?
You could always get a used Mac. Nobody forces you to get a brand new Mac. Also, Apple may have some refurbished Macs.
OR
You could always get a good used Mac that supports 10.6 to use your PPC apps until you find some alternatives.
Apple can't support old technology forever. Yes, sometimes this sucks but its what keeps Apple moving forward. I think this is what sets them above what Microsoft does in some ways. Microsoft always tries to support old technologies in with their new technologies and it sometimes doesn't work. Apple doesn't do this. They just move on.
Fornt Row is to easy to make it work , just download the latest version and put system file on library Core Services , Private Frameworks , Launch Agents , you will find all file at archive.pax decompress and do it works fine.
The rest I am trying to do something
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
The latest developer release of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion excludes support for Rosetta (used to run PowerPC code on Intel Macs), Front Row, and Oracle's Java runtime, although Apple includes a mechanism to automatically download an updated Java runtime for Lion.
No Front Row
Front Row, the TV-oriented media center playback system for Mac OS X, was first added to Macs in 2005, providing a simple living room-like display for albums in iPhoto, iTunes music and movies, and DVD playback.
The functionality was isolated by the original Apple TV appliance in 2007, which then modified its interface later the following year, creating a schism between Apple TV and the Mac's Front Row app.
Apple stopped bundling an IR remote with its iMacs and other models, signaling a lack of interest in Front Row, while also redesigning Apple TV to act as a streaming iOS-based device. The company also released AirPlay for wirelessly streaming iTunes content
It's therefore not entirely surprising that the Lion release lacks Front Row among its bundled apps.
No Java runtime
Also missing from Lion is a preinstalled Java runtime capable of executing "100% pure" Java apps. There are few examples of Java desktop apps in the wild, so most users won't notice. Not bundling the runtime will erase a large number of security vulnerabilities from the reported list of issues related to Mac OS X going forward however, as Java exists as a parallel platform to Apple's native Cocoa.
When users attempt to run a Java app, Lion offers to look online for a version it can install, and will download and install a slightly newer version than is currently available for Snow Leopard today (1.6.0_24-b07-329, rather than 1.6.0_22-b04-307).
Apple announced earlier that it would be working with Oracle to divest itself of maintenance of the Java platform on Macs, setting up a new OpenJDK Project for Java on Mac OS X going forward, starting with the release of Java SE 7.
Apple noted that the Java runtime may be removed from future versions of its operating system, and it appears that will be the case with Lion, albeit with a rather painless install option for users who need it.
No Rosetta
While Apple dropped support for running Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on PowerPC Macs, 10.7 Lion will remove support for running PowerPC code on the new machines via Rosetta, a translation bridge that enabled Intel Macs to continue to run old software.
Rosetta was not installed by default in Snow Leopard, but could be installed by users who needed to run old programs that had not yet been updated to run natively on Intel Macs. In Lion, Rosetta support is gone entirely, spelling the end of the line for PowerPC as an architecture.
Apple has already restricted Mac App Store titles to Intel code, leaving PowerPC support abandoned along with Motorola 68000 code.
The latest developer release of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion excludes support for Rosetta (used to run PowerPC code on Intel Macs), Front Row, and Oracle's Java runtime, although Apple includes a mechanism to automatically download an updated Java runtime for Lion.
No Front Row
Front Row, the TV-oriented media center playback system for Mac OS X, was first added to Macs in 2005, providing a simple living room-like display for albums in iPhoto, iTunes music and movies, and DVD playback.
The functionality was isolated by the original Apple TV appliance in 2007, which then modified its interface later the following year, creating a schism between Apple TV and the Mac's Front Row app.
Apple stopped bundling an IR remote with its iMacs and other models, signaling a lack of interest in Front Row, while also redesigning Apple TV to act as a streaming iOS-based device. The company also released AirPlay for wirelessly streaming iTunes content
It's therefore not entirely surprising that the Lion release lacks Front Row among its bundled apps.
No Java runtime
Also missing from Lion is a preinstalled Java runtime capable of executing "100% pure" Java apps. There are few examples of Java desktop apps in the wild, so most users won't notice. Not bundling the runtime will erase a large number of security vulnerabilities from the reported list of issues related to Mac OS X going forward however, as Java exists as a parallel platform to Apple's native Cocoa.
When users attempt to run a Java app, Lion offers to look online for a version it can install, and will download and install a slightly newer version than is currently available for Snow Leopard today (1.6.0_24-b07-329, rather than 1.6.0_22-b04-307).
Apple announced earlier that it would be working with Oracle to divest itself of maintenance of the Java platform on Macs, setting up a new OpenJDK Project for Java on Mac OS X going forward, starting with the release of Java SE 7.
Apple noted that the Java runtime may be removed from future versions of its operating system, and it appears that will be the case with Lion, albeit with a rather painless install option for users who need it.
No Rosetta
While Apple dropped support for running Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on PowerPC Macs, 10.7 Lion will remove support for running PowerPC code on the new machines via Rosetta, a translation bridge that enabled Intel Macs to continue to run old software.
Rosetta was not installed by default in Snow Leopard, but could be installed by users who needed to run old programs that had not yet been updated to run natively on Intel Macs. In Lion, Rosetta support is gone entirely, spelling the end of the line for PowerPC as an architecture.
Apple has already restricted Mac App Store titles to Intel code, leaving PowerPC support abandoned along with Motorola 68000 code.
Java is not an issue if it can be installed if required.
Front Row was ok, but nothing special. There were many alternatives with more functionality so not a problem if it goes.
Rosetta though could be a show stopper for me to upgrade to Lion at the moment as many of the drivers for printers, scanners and other hardware is currently PPC. I also have a number of PPC software packages which I cannot afford to upgrade at the moment, so will have to put it on hold.
I suspect though, that Rosetta will be part of the final package, as a custom install offering. My gut feeling is that it is being optimised for better performance and security and not yet ready to be used.
There is also likely to be a way of installing the Snow Leopard Rosetta onto Lion. So I aint going to panic yet!
Phil
They kept 7 because they weren't ready to jettison the old. That's it.
Comments
Front Row's been broken since iTunes 8. Good riddance.
Know one uses it as it won't play torrents, no flash ( google real reason no flash in iPhone) and it's apples way to get you to buy apple tv but with new tvs with wireless
And ethernet, and Netflix with soon to be hd content, no more DVDs in the mail, imthink Apple tv is over soon.
Peace and Godspeed.
PS besides my Mom needing prayer, my wife and I need a miracle and my Mom we hope, is just fighting an ammonia and not spreading lot cancer which is stage 1 very small dots. I also have some medical stuff going on, pray they can heal/fix that too!!!-!!!!!-!!!-!-!!
It's fine to tell people not to upgrade, but what happens when they need a new computer?
Why not use a vm to run snow leopard for your ppc apps? I'm sure the majority already are running a vm for windows? I don't understand why everyone is freaking out?
Edit: ok, was looking it up and forgot that Mac os is not really virtualizable...so understand the pain.
And I saw someone else already mention that Java is still a go...it just doesn't come preinstalled so you download the latest version.
From everything I've seen Lion is looking pretty awesome.
What do you think? Seriously, do you think they're going to hobble QuickTime for 10.7?
This is kind of funny because the whole reason we still *need* Quicktime 7, and the reason most techie types purposely install it, is Apple did "hobble Quicktime" when they released Snow Leopard.
Quicktime 7 is intel, so we're not losing anything we have today. A better alternative however would be if Apple actually fixed the crapped up junky mess that is Quicktime and "un-hobbled" it for Lion. It's not like they haven't had enough time to work on it and it's not like it isn't one of the systems central components.
Front Row was ok, but nothing special. There were many alternatives with more functionality so not a problem if it goes.
Rosetta though could be a show stopper for me to upgrade to Lion at the moment as many of the drivers for printers, scanners and other hardware is currently PPC. I also have a number of PPC software packages which I cannot afford to upgrade at the moment, so will have to put it on hold.
I suspect though, that Rosetta will be part of the final package, as a custom install offering. My gut feeling is that it is being optimised for better performance and security and not yet ready to be used.
There is also likely to be a way of installing the Snow Leopard Rosetta onto Lion. So I aint going to panic yet!
Phil
I have made the transition to the Intel universe while still maintaining several PowerPC laptops. The absence of Rosetta in Lion is a big problem so my personal view is, No Rosetta, No Lion for me!
If you're that cheap to still be using PowerPC laptops and running PowerPC apps (most likely a seven year old copy of Office I'm guessing), then why even pretend you were thinking of upgrading at all?
I have a mint condition, completely tricked out PowerPC laptop that runs as fast as any of them have ever run and all it's good for is sitting on a shelf in case of power outages. It's impossible to use because it's so slow you'd pull your hair out just trying to write a short paper or cruise the web. The few times I've put Leopard on it, it slows down to half that speed so I run Tiger instead just to keep it reasonable.
I also have a 1st generation MacBook Air that I put together out of spare parts, and it runs rings around the power PC laptop, and you have to be pretty damn slow to be bested by a 1st generation Air.
You can get better performance out of a low end netbook than a PowerPC Mac at this point.
No Front Row? I use it daily. My aging '07 iMac is the perfect entertainment center. I can lay in bed with the remote and use it pretty much like a TV/DVD-player.
I'm beginning to like Lion less and less.
... That's great for you - my wife is a journalist and often scans magazines she has done editorials or writing for. We could get a new scanner, but that's hardly the point....
Not trying to be mean here, but you can get a brand new scanner for less than half the cost of a date with your wife. If you buy a printer with it, (a multipurpose device), the scanner "portion" would be maybe 50 bucks.
Scanners and printers are "throwaway" devices nowadays, like toasters, microwaves, and almost any other consumer device under a few hundred dollars. It's sad, it's morally bankrupt, and it probably should be illegal, but that's the way it is.
As an Appleworks 6 user still, I'm not thrilled with Apple's decision. I've got 12 years+ of databases created/maintained w/Appleworks. I was very grateful for Rosetta for keeping me going with all the upgrades to OS X. I never found a database software I liked to switch to, so I stuck with Appleworks. I wish Apple would create a database software for iWorks.
Appleworks has been discontinued for four years. It only existed in the first place, because Apple was nice enough to make a version so people could import and upgrade all their old OS-9 junk and their Claris stuff. It was never meant to be updated at all and it was clear that it wasn't when an update was never released and they moved to iWork instead.
The official upgrade path for Appleworks is iWork. The purpose of Appleworks 6 was to act as a bridge from the old days, to the new software. Most other companies wouldn't even bother to do that.
Learn iWork. It should open all your Appleworks documents, (except you've waited so long now it might not).
edit: sorry I didn't notice your emphasis on databases. Try Bento.
Know one uses it...[completely nonsensical reasons]
No, I don't use it because it doesn't understand tags on media. All of my video content is stored alphabetically under Movies. TV shows aren't separated at all. All of my albums are split apart in and thrown together incorrectly. Front Row is worthless.
no flash ( google real reason no flash in iPhone)
*snort*
If you're still too blind to know why Flash isn't on iOS devices, there's nothing we can say that will make you admit you're wrong.
And ethernet, and Netflix with soon to be hd content, no more DVDs in the mail, imthink Apple tv is over soon.
No. Period.
BOOH!
No Front Row? I use it daily. My aging '07 iMac is the perfect entertainment center. I can lay in bed with the remote and use it pretty much like a TV/DVD-player.
I'm beginning to like Lion less and less.
Eventually Boxee won me over.
I won't be missing FrontRow.
C.
An Apple dude came to my org to talk on the subject of having Java support on the Mac OS X platform for development. I specifically asked on how Java seems to be getting second class citizen treatment, and he assured me the company was completely committed to it. I don't get it if they're essentially outsourcing it out to someone else.
I'm glad they're still making it easy for Java to run. There are several Java applications I use constantly on my Mac at work, including Oracle SQL Developer and several proprietary, internal applications.
Indeed, we've moved to Macs at work for development and we rely on Java - Oracle SQL Developer, Eclipse, our internal apps. However it is good if the Apple Java runtime is replaced by OpenJDK so that it remains more up to date.
Also anyone that has played Minecraft will also have a dependency on Java!
It's fine to tell people not to upgrade, but what happens when they need a new computer?
You could always get a used Mac. Nobody forces you to get a brand new Mac. Also, Apple may have some refurbished Macs.
OR
You could always get a good used Mac that supports 10.6 to use your PPC apps until you find some alternatives.
Apple can't support old technology forever. Yes, sometimes this sucks but its what keeps Apple moving forward. I think this is what sets them above what Microsoft does in some ways. Microsoft always tries to support old technologies in with their new technologies and it sometimes doesn't work. Apple doesn't do this. They just move on.
The rest I am trying to do something
The latest developer release of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion excludes support for Rosetta (used to run PowerPC code on Intel Macs), Front Row, and Oracle's Java runtime, although Apple includes a mechanism to automatically download an updated Java runtime for Lion.
No Front Row
Front Row, the TV-oriented media center playback system for Mac OS X, was first added to Macs in 2005, providing a simple living room-like display for albums in iPhoto, iTunes music and movies, and DVD playback.
The functionality was isolated by the original Apple TV appliance in 2007, which then modified its interface later the following year, creating a schism between Apple TV and the Mac's Front Row app.
Apple stopped bundling an IR remote with its iMacs and other models, signaling a lack of interest in Front Row, while also redesigning Apple TV to act as a streaming iOS-based device. The company also released AirPlay for wirelessly streaming iTunes content
It's therefore not entirely surprising that the Lion release lacks Front Row among its bundled apps.
No Java runtime
Also missing from Lion is a preinstalled Java runtime capable of executing "100% pure" Java apps. There are few examples of Java desktop apps in the wild, so most users won't notice. Not bundling the runtime will erase a large number of security vulnerabilities from the reported list of issues related to Mac OS X going forward however, as Java exists as a parallel platform to Apple's native Cocoa.
When users attempt to run a Java app, Lion offers to look online for a version it can install, and will download and install a slightly newer version than is currently available for Snow Leopard today (1.6.0_24-b07-329, rather than 1.6.0_22-b04-307).
Apple announced earlier that it would be working with Oracle to divest itself of maintenance of the Java platform on Macs, setting up a new OpenJDK Project for Java on Mac OS X going forward, starting with the release of Java SE 7.
Apple noted that the Java runtime may be removed from future versions of its operating system, and it appears that will be the case with Lion, albeit with a rather painless install option for users who need it.
No Rosetta
While Apple dropped support for running Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on PowerPC Macs, 10.7 Lion will remove support for running PowerPC code on the new machines via Rosetta, a translation bridge that enabled Intel Macs to continue to run old software.
Rosetta was not installed by default in Snow Leopard, but could be installed by users who needed to run old programs that had not yet been updated to run natively on Intel Macs. In Lion, Rosetta support is gone entirely, spelling the end of the line for PowerPC as an architecture.
Apple has already restricted Mac App Store titles to Intel code, leaving PowerPC support abandoned along with Motorola 68000 code.
[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]
Where Java JDK 1.7 is avaible
The latest developer release of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion excludes support for Rosetta (used to run PowerPC code on Intel Macs), Front Row, and Oracle's Java runtime, although Apple includes a mechanism to automatically download an updated Java runtime for Lion.
No Front Row
Front Row, the TV-oriented media center playback system for Mac OS X, was first added to Macs in 2005, providing a simple living room-like display for albums in iPhoto, iTunes music and movies, and DVD playback.
The functionality was isolated by the original Apple TV appliance in 2007, which then modified its interface later the following year, creating a schism between Apple TV and the Mac's Front Row app.
Apple stopped bundling an IR remote with its iMacs and other models, signaling a lack of interest in Front Row, while also redesigning Apple TV to act as a streaming iOS-based device. The company also released AirPlay for wirelessly streaming iTunes content
It's therefore not entirely surprising that the Lion release lacks Front Row among its bundled apps.
No Java runtime
Also missing from Lion is a preinstalled Java runtime capable of executing "100% pure" Java apps. There are few examples of Java desktop apps in the wild, so most users won't notice. Not bundling the runtime will erase a large number of security vulnerabilities from the reported list of issues related to Mac OS X going forward however, as Java exists as a parallel platform to Apple's native Cocoa.
When users attempt to run a Java app, Lion offers to look online for a version it can install, and will download and install a slightly newer version than is currently available for Snow Leopard today (1.6.0_24-b07-329, rather than 1.6.0_22-b04-307).
Apple announced earlier that it would be working with Oracle to divest itself of maintenance of the Java platform on Macs, setting up a new OpenJDK Project for Java on Mac OS X going forward, starting with the release of Java SE 7.
Apple noted that the Java runtime may be removed from future versions of its operating system, and it appears that will be the case with Lion, albeit with a rather painless install option for users who need it.
No Rosetta
While Apple dropped support for running Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard on PowerPC Macs, 10.7 Lion will remove support for running PowerPC code on the new machines via Rosetta, a translation bridge that enabled Intel Macs to continue to run old software.
Rosetta was not installed by default in Snow Leopard, but could be installed by users who needed to run old programs that had not yet been updated to run natively on Intel Macs. In Lion, Rosetta support is gone entirely, spelling the end of the line for PowerPC as an architecture.
Apple has already restricted Mac App Store titles to Intel code, leaving PowerPC support abandoned along with Motorola 68000 code.
[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]
Why is anyone using Front Row with Boxee, Plex, XBMC all available on the mac?
They don't play well with iTunes' file hierarchy.
Front Row doesn't either, but it used to, while none of the others ever have.
Java is not an issue if it can be installed if required.
Front Row was ok, but nothing special. There were many alternatives with more functionality so not a problem if it goes.
Rosetta though could be a show stopper for me to upgrade to Lion at the moment as many of the drivers for printers, scanners and other hardware is currently PPC. I also have a number of PPC software packages which I cannot afford to upgrade at the moment, so will have to put it on hold.
I suspect though, that Rosetta will be part of the final package, as a custom install offering. My gut feeling is that it is being optimised for better performance and security and not yet ready to be used.
There is also likely to be a way of installing the Snow Leopard Rosetta onto Lion. So I aint going to panic yet!
Phil
They kept 7 because they weren't ready to jettison the old. That's it.