OMG, I think his "it's not a PC if it doesn't have MS Office" excuse deserves the troll of the year award.
Don't call me a troll or that will have consequences.
How is that a troll comment hmm? So if I said, iPhone and Razr are the same because their phones and it's "not an iPhone because it doesn't have iOS deserves" a troll of the year award? That makes no sense entirely.
I use my car most of the time I have to drive somewhere, but sometimes I need my pickup truck to do certain bigger tasks. Both are counted in their manufacturers' sales figures.
I use my car most of the time I have to drive somewhere, but sometimes I need my pickup truck to do certain bigger tasks. Both are counted in their manufacturers' sales figures.
But would you combine motorcycle sales and car sales?
The ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime looks to be the best execution, at least in HW for the mobile touchscreen device turned into a stnadard laptop device concept.
But it is NOT a PC, as the term is generally used.
And neither is a tablet computer. These categories exist to differentiate and to aid in understanding. If they all overlap to the point of non-differentiation, then they lose utility.
If one were to put two pictures up, one of an iMac and one of an iPad, and we asked test subjects to pick the PC, what sort of results might we expect? And why? Because the terms mean different things, no matter how many similarities between the two things one can identify.
The fact is, both PCs and Tablets are subsets of the concept "computer". But they are different categories nevertheless.
Amen to that!
I love the portal analogy.
If Maserati invented a popular portal travel system it would be silly to start trying to define a portal as a car, even if you wanted to see Maserati as the number 1 "car manufacturer".
However it would also mean people would need to be careful about what conclusions they tried to draw. e.g. you could no longer use the list of top car manufacturers to determine the most popular mode of transport.
Heck you could even say that since portals were the way of the future then Maserati's place as the number 1 portal manufacturer was more important than their position on the top car manufacturers list, and you might even say the top car manufacturers list isn't anywhere near as relevant to the world as it once was.
What would be really silly is if you tried to include Maserati's portals when compiling the top car manufacturer list, and then also include them when compiling the top portals list.
Before anyone starts throwing out useless arguments about how many people don't need to do some or all of these things, that doesn't matter. The point is that any computer sold today traditionally categorized in the "PC" market can do all of these things and a lot more. All specialty devices including the iPhone, iPad, iPod, Kindle, Android, etc.. can't do most of these.
Using your logic, I can do any of those with an iPad. Just like you can use Scotch tape to affix a GPS to your "personal computer" or insert a wireless access card for the functions served natively by the iPad of which a typical "personal computer" is incapable. Additionally, I noticed that isn't even a fraction of the thousands you claim and barely a fraction of the one hundred I requested since you claimed thousands.
I never stated my definition of a personal computer.
But for the record, by my definition, a PC has most (but not always all) of the following characteristics:
- x86 architecture
- Modular hardware architecture
- High power consumption
- Designed for use with a desktop operating system
- Apple laptops used to be on the PPC (88k) architecture.
- SOCs are still modular, they just happen to be on the same die. The A5, for example, keeps its GPU separate from the CPU.
- You say high power consumption, yet companies like Intel are driving down said power consumption. What happens when a desktop computer reaches 10watts (same as the iPad charger) ?
- Desktop operating system is defined as what, exactly? Don't you dare say "for use with a mouse" because I can very easily point to Windows 8 to show otherwise.
Most Desktop/Notebook computers can't even do that. No optical drive. The Mac doesn't doesn't do bluray at all! I don't think Linux does either (or does very poorly). Many computers wouldn't be able to play BluRay thanks in part to really slow internal components.
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- Print to a USB printer
I can WiFi print to my printer. Or does the lack of a physical plug render that point moot? (hint, it doesn't)
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- Back up and Sync an iPhone
Don't iPhones do that automatically without a desktop computer? Pretty sure they do. Also: Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
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- Access an external hard drive
- Access a pen drive
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
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- Update a GPS with the latest maps
The GPS maps on my iPhone update themselves quote nicely
Also, Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
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- Download Bittorrent movies
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
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- Copy a DVD movie
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Plus you'd need a computer with an optical drive first. I've seen plenty without.
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- Create a website
- Maintain or update a website
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware. (on a side note, I used my iPad to SSH into the servers at work today to twidle with some PHP files)
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- Any type of software development
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
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- Download any type of file from a website
- Upload any type of file to a website
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
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- Run virtual machines
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware (sans instruction set).
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- Flash an Arduino
Oh please, now you're reaching for the bottom of the Niche barrel here! Although now that I think about it... all the flash gear needs is a USB connection. With that in mind: Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
The iPad could easily do all the things a desktop/notebook could do. Some bright spark just needs to write the software first. To prove a point; If I came over to your house, striped all the 3rd party software off your machine and disallowed any new installations so you were left with only email, notepad, a media player and web browser, by your (quite frankly, stupid) logic it would not be a "PC" anymore because you couldn't download busty-babes 6 from Demonoid or rip a DVD. HO SNAP!. Do you see how your logic causes an issue? A brand new, out of the box notebook computer with no optical drive can't do ANYTHING you suggested because it lacks the software - again, your logic == not a PC. The iPad is just as much a "PC" as anything else - because everything else is just as dumb and useless until someone writes the software to make it happen.
For christ sake, you can turn the Playstation 2 into your definition of a "PC" by buying the Linux software from Sony (if they still sell it).
You're confusing "PC Clone" with "Home Computer". The iPad is definitely NOT a PC Clone (look it up) but what it definitely is, is a home computer.
Just read all that back to myself and your logic and views in many areas is going to have to do one mother of a 180 in some areas if you try to argue the opposite.
Using your logic, I can do any of those with an iPad. Just like you can use Scotch tape to affix a GPS to your "personal computer" or insert a wireless access card for the functions served natively by the iPad of which a typical "personal computer" is incapable. Additionally, I noticed that isn't even a fraction of the thousands you claim and barely a fraction of the one hundred I requested since you claimed thousands.
You honestly expect him to go through 1,000+ reasons? Yeah, because he totally doesn't have a life to do that.
You can't do those with the iPad. It's not interacting with the iPad's software. THAT'S the main difference. Windows KNOWS I'm burning a CD. iPad does not.
You can't even insert a CD itno an iPad at all......oh wait.
In other words, you have no valid answer and resort to an insult.
Its burn in "hell" you lumbering twit
The irony. And I never said that.
Linux is an OS for desktop and laptops, but it's severly limited. Your entire question didn't even make sense. Linux isn't a computer or PC, it's the OS that runs on a PC/Laptop/whatnots.
Linux is an OS for desktop and laptops, but it's severly limited. Your entire question didn't even make sense. Linux isn't a computer or PC, it's the OS that runs on a PC/Laptop/whatnots.
You said if a computer cannot run Office, it is not a PC. Linux is a system to allow a computer to run and there is no version of office for Linux. Is it still a "PC"? Of course it is.
Also, pick up a text book or two, you need to learn more about Unix and Unix-like operating systems if you think they are not very powerful.
Most Desktop/Notebook computers can't even do that. No optical drive. The Mac doesn't doesn't do bluray at all! I don't think Linux does either (or does very poorly). Many computers wouldn't be able to play BluRay thanks in part to really slow internal components.
I can WiFi print to my printer. Or does the lack of a physical plug render that point moot? (hint, it doesn't)
Don't iPhones do that automatically without a desktop computer? Pretty sure they do. Also: Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
The GPS maps on my iPhone update themselves quote nicely
Also, Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Plus you'd need a computer with an optical drive first. I've seen plenty without.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware. (on a side note, I used my iPad to SSH into the servers at work today to twidle with some PHP files)
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware (sans instruction set).
Oh please, now you're reaching for the bottom of the Niche barrel here! Although now that I think about it... all the flash gear needs is a USB connection. With that in mind: Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
The iPad could easily do all the things a desktop/notebook could do. Some bright spark just needs to write the software first. To prove a point; If I came over to your house, striped all the 3rd party software off your machine and disallowed any new installations so you were left with only email, notepad, a media player and web browser, by your (quite frankly, stupid) logic it would not be a "PC" anymore because you couldn't download busty-babes 6 from Demonoid or rip a DVD. HO SNAP!. Do you see how your logic causes an issue? A brand new, out of the box notebook computer with no optical drive can't do ANYTHING you suggested because it lacks the software - again, your logic == not a PC. The iPad is just as much a "PC" as anything else - because everything else is just as dumb and useless until someone writes the software to make it happen.
For christ sake, you can turn the Playstation 2 into your definition of a "PC" by buying the Linux software from Sony (if they still sell it).
You're confusing "PC Clone" with "Home Computer". The iPad is definitely NOT a PC Clone (look it up) but what it definitely is, is a home computer.
Just read all that back to myself and your logic and views in many areas is going to have to do one mother of a 180 in some areas if you try to argue the opposite.
Your assertions are completely wrong. You basically claim everything can be solved by software. iOS does not allow many of the things on my list. Or are you saying that the iPad capabilities should include things that need a hacked operating system with significant new capabilities added (which doesn't exist)? The PC items I listed exist now and are known functions of a PC. Your are listing theoretical things that don't and will never exist.
How do you claim it can burn DVD's? Are you suggesting that it could if someone custom designed a DVD burner that can plug into the iPod dock, that's a ridiculous and desperate claim. iPad has a USB adapter you say? Useless, it doesn't have a full USB host controller, so it IS a hardware limitation.
Maybe you should read your words back again and look at how wrong they are.
You said if a computer cannot run Office, it is not a PC. Linux is a system to allow a computer to run and there is no version of office for Linux. Is it still a "PC"? Of course it is.
Also, pick up a text book or two, you need to learn more about Unix and Unix-like operating systems if you think they are not very powerful.
You're either a bad troll, or very idiotic.
Thanks for misquoting me. I am not being a troll or idiotic as I never said that Unix isn't powerful. Heck, I've installed Linux on my Wii and Ubuntu on my old Windows XP PC when it went haywire. We're arguing a term that has been changed majorly in the past few years.
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Don't forget iPad does NOT have Micrsofot Word, PowerPoint...essentials to any college student. Please dont' count pages...not the same.
That's what I said. I never said that if a computer cannot run Office, it is not a PC.You assumed and were wrong.
So would you call the T-Mobile G1 a PC?
iPads are very limiting pushing them away from being a PC. If you got your kid an iPad or Android tablet, you would run into a lot of problems. Many programs just wouldn't run because of incompatiblity. It's a limited enviroment. The Dreamcast ran Windows CE, but it's not a PC.
PCs have evolved a LOT more than tablets and will continue to do so. Even if a phone is is more powerful than a windows 98 computer, that doesn't mean it completely trounces that computer.
The original Xbox was esentially a PC turned video game console. What made it different ?It only played video games.
That's what I said. I never said that if a computer cannot run Office, it is not a PC.You assumed and were wrong.
No. You said because the iPad cannot run Office it was not a PC. By that logic, if a Linux based PC cannot run office, then it is not a PC. Please think it through. It was not misquoting but applying a different (and realistic) context to your statement.
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So would you call the T-Mobile G1 a PC?
Of course not. Its primary function is a telephone.
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iPads are very limiting pushing them away from being a PC. If you got your kid an iPad or Android tablet, you would run into a lot of problems. Many programs just wouldn't run because of incompatiblity. It's a limited enviroment. The Dreamcast ran Windows CE, but it's not a PC.
The dreamcast was also a video game system as its primary function. All it would need is the correct operating software to allow access to data manipulation tools and it would become a personal computer. Look at the Playstation 2 with the Hard Disk add on - that ran a full Linux OS with everything from document editing to video playback. Turning it from a Video Game Console to a Home Computer in one move.
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PCs have evolved a LOT more than tablets and will continue to do so. Even if a phone is is more powerful than a windows 98 computer, that doesn't mean it completely trounces that computer.
They have evolved from keyboards with cassette decks to boxes with floppy drives. Then boxes with CD Drives to clamshell cases. Then from clamshell cases to thin slate devices. The iPad is a slate device - I put windows on it with a Dell badge and by some crazy logic it becomes a PC. How and Why?
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The original Xbox was esentially a PC turned video game console. What made it different? It only played video games.
You just contradicted your Dreamcast and G1 arguments by saying that, and verified my claims of "software makes the system what it is". You really have not thought this through.
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Don't forget iPad does NOT have Micrsofot Word, PowerPoint...essentials to any college student. Please dont' count pages...not the same.
Queue the angelic multitude...
Hallelujah!
OMG, I think his "it's not a PC if it doesn't have MS Office" excuse deserves the troll of the year award.
Don't call me a troll or that will have consequences.
How is that a troll comment hmm? So if I said, iPhone and Razr are the same because their phones and it's "not an iPhone because it doesn't have iOS deserves" a troll of the year award? That makes no sense entirely.
Queue the angelic multitude...
Hallelujah!
I can see the light shining down on my monitor right now.
I just gotta save my 20 page essay and awesomeness will be mine. Thanks MS Office. *clicks save* BSOD. NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
*right now my work computer is next to a computer with the BSOD on it!*
I use my car most of the time I have to drive somewhere, but sometimes I need my pickup truck to do certain bigger tasks. Both are counted in their manufacturers' sales figures.
But would you combine motorcycle sales and car sales?
But would you combine motorcycle sales and car sales?
So by your reckoning cars are personal vehicles but motorcycles aren't personal vehicles by the virtue of the fact that they are more personal?
The Atrix
Genius concept...not so great execution.
The ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime looks to be the best execution, at least in HW for the mobile touchscreen device turned into a stnadard laptop device concept.Still need to see how well ASUS made the mouse/trackpad work, but I can't imagine it's as awful as Motorola did with the Atrix.
Of course it is a computer.
But it is NOT a PC, as the term is generally used.
And neither is a tablet computer. These categories exist to differentiate and to aid in understanding. If they all overlap to the point of non-differentiation, then they lose utility.
If one were to put two pictures up, one of an iMac and one of an iPad, and we asked test subjects to pick the PC, what sort of results might we expect? And why? Because the terms mean different things, no matter how many similarities between the two things one can identify.
The fact is, both PCs and Tablets are subsets of the concept "computer". But they are different categories nevertheless.
Amen to that!
I love the portal analogy.
If Maserati invented a popular portal travel system it would be silly to start trying to define a portal as a car, even if you wanted to see Maserati as the number 1 "car manufacturer".
However it would also mean people would need to be careful about what conclusions they tried to draw. e.g. you could no longer use the list of top car manufacturers to determine the most popular mode of transport.
Heck you could even say that since portals were the way of the future then Maserati's place as the number 1 portal manufacturer was more important than their position on the top car manufacturers list, and you might even say the top car manufacturers list isn't anywhere near as relevant to the world as it once was.
What would be really silly is if you tried to include Maserati's portals when compiling the top car manufacturer list, and then also include them when compiling the top portals list.
Let's see, here's a few:
- Burn a DVD
- Rip a music CD
- Play a Blue Ray
- Print to a USB printer
- Back up and Sync an iPhone
- Access an external hard drive
- Access a pen drive
- Update a GPS with the latest maps
- Download Bittorrent movies
- Copy a DVD movie
- Create a website
- Maintain or update a website
- Any type of software development
- Download any type of file from a website
- Upload any type of file to a website
- Run virtual machines
- Flash an Arduino
Before anyone starts throwing out useless arguments about how many people don't need to do some or all of these things, that doesn't matter. The point is that any computer sold today traditionally categorized in the "PC" market can do all of these things and a lot more. All specialty devices including the iPhone, iPad, iPod, Kindle, Android, etc.. can't do most of these.
Using your logic, I can do any of those with an iPad. Just like you can use Scotch tape to affix a GPS to your "personal computer" or insert a wireless access card for the functions served natively by the iPad of which a typical "personal computer" is incapable. Additionally, I noticed that isn't even a fraction of the thousands you claim and barely a fraction of the one hundred I requested since you claimed thousands.
I never stated my definition of a personal computer.
But for the record, by my definition, a PC has most (but not always all) of the following characteristics:
- x86 architecture
- Modular hardware architecture
- High power consumption
- Designed for use with a desktop operating system
- Apple laptops used to be on the PPC (88k) architecture.
- SOCs are still modular, they just happen to be on the same die. The A5, for example, keeps its GPU separate from the CPU.
- You say high power consumption, yet companies like Intel are driving down said power consumption. What happens when a desktop computer reaches 10watts (same as the iPad charger) ?
- Desktop operating system is defined as what, exactly? Don't you dare say "for use with a mouse" because I can very easily point to Windows 8 to show otherwise.
Let's see, here's a few:
- Burn a DVD
- Rip a music CD
- Play a Blue Ray
Most Desktop/Notebook computers can't even do that. No optical drive. The Mac doesn't doesn't do bluray at all! I don't think Linux does either (or does very poorly). Many computers wouldn't be able to play BluRay thanks in part to really slow internal components.
- Print to a USB printer
I can WiFi print to my printer. Or does the lack of a physical plug render that point moot? (hint, it doesn't)
- Back up and Sync an iPhone
Don't iPhones do that automatically without a desktop computer? Pretty sure they do. Also: Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
- Access an external hard drive
- Access a pen drive
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
- Update a GPS with the latest maps
The GPS maps on my iPhone update themselves quote nicely
Also, Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
- Download Bittorrent movies
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
- Copy a DVD movie
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Plus you'd need a computer with an optical drive first. I've seen plenty without.
- Create a website
- Maintain or update a website
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware. (on a side note, I used my iPad to SSH into the servers at work today to twidle with some PHP files)
- Any type of software development
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
- Download any type of file from a website
- Upload any type of file to a website
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
- Run virtual machines
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware (sans instruction set).
- Flash an Arduino
Oh please, now you're reaching for the bottom of the Niche barrel here! Although now that I think about it... all the flash gear needs is a USB connection. With that in mind: Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
The iPad could easily do all the things a desktop/notebook could do. Some bright spark just needs to write the software first. To prove a point; If I came over to your house, striped all the 3rd party software off your machine and disallowed any new installations so you were left with only email, notepad, a media player and web browser, by your (quite frankly, stupid) logic it would not be a "PC" anymore because you couldn't download busty-babes 6 from Demonoid or rip a DVD. HO SNAP!. Do you see how your logic causes an issue? A brand new, out of the box notebook computer with no optical drive can't do ANYTHING you suggested because it lacks the software - again, your logic == not a PC. The iPad is just as much a "PC" as anything else - because everything else is just as dumb and useless until someone writes the software to make it happen.
For christ sake, you can turn the Playstation 2 into your definition of a "PC" by buying the Linux software from Sony (if they still sell it).
You're confusing "PC Clone" with "Home Computer". The iPad is definitely NOT a PC Clone (look it up) but what it definitely is, is a home computer.
Just read all that back to myself and your logic and views in many areas is going to have to do one mother of a 180 in some areas if you try to argue the opposite.
Don't forget iPad does NOT have Micrsofot Word, PowerPoint...essentials to any college student. Please dont' count pages...not the same.
I used to run Linux on my old computer. That doesn't have Microsoft Office. Now explain your office argument in the context of a Linux user.
I also did my entire undergrad dissertation in Page for Mac. Go Figure.
I used to run Linux on my old computer. That doesn't have Microsoft Office. Now explain your office argument in the context of a Linux user.
I also did my entire undergrad dissertation in Page for Mac. Go Figure.
Linux users can burn in Hades.
Using your logic, I can do any of those with an iPad. Just like you can use Scotch tape to affix a GPS to your "personal computer" or insert a wireless access card for the functions served natively by the iPad of which a typical "personal computer" is incapable. Additionally, I noticed that isn't even a fraction of the thousands you claim and barely a fraction of the one hundred I requested since you claimed thousands.
You honestly expect him to go through 1,000+ reasons? Yeah, because he totally doesn't have a life to do that.
You can't do those with the iPad. It's not interacting with the iPad's software. THAT'S the main difference. Windows KNOWS I'm burning a CD. iPad does not.
You can't even insert a CD itno an iPad at all......oh wait.
Linux users can burn in Hades.
In other words, you have no valid answer and resort to an insult.
Its burn in "hell" you lumbering twit
In other words, you have no valid answer and resort to an insult.
Its burn in "hell" you lumbering twit
The irony. And I never said that.
Linux is an OS for desktop and laptops, but it's severly limited. Your entire question didn't even make sense. Linux isn't a computer or PC, it's the OS that runs on a PC/Laptop/whatnots.
The irony. And I never said that.
Linux is an OS for desktop and laptops, but it's severly limited. Your entire question didn't even make sense. Linux isn't a computer or PC, it's the OS that runs on a PC/Laptop/whatnots.
You said if a computer cannot run Office, it is not a PC. Linux is a system to allow a computer to run and there is no version of office for Linux. Is it still a "PC"? Of course it is.
Also, pick up a text book or two, you need to learn more about Unix and Unix-like operating systems if you think they are not very powerful.
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Most Desktop/Notebook computers can't even do that. No optical drive. The Mac doesn't doesn't do bluray at all! I don't think Linux does either (or does very poorly). Many computers wouldn't be able to play BluRay thanks in part to really slow internal components.
I can WiFi print to my printer. Or does the lack of a physical plug render that point moot? (hint, it doesn't)
Don't iPhones do that automatically without a desktop computer? Pretty sure they do. Also: Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
The GPS maps on my iPhone update themselves quote nicely
Also, Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Plus you'd need a computer with an optical drive first. I've seen plenty without.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware. (on a side note, I used my iPad to SSH into the servers at work today to twidle with some PHP files)
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware (sans instruction set).
Oh please, now you're reaching for the bottom of the Niche barrel here! Although now that I think about it... all the flash gear needs is a USB connection. With that in mind: Software requirement, not a limitation of the physical hardware.
The iPad could easily do all the things a desktop/notebook could do. Some bright spark just needs to write the software first. To prove a point; If I came over to your house, striped all the 3rd party software off your machine and disallowed any new installations so you were left with only email, notepad, a media player and web browser, by your (quite frankly, stupid) logic it would not be a "PC" anymore because you couldn't download busty-babes 6 from Demonoid or rip a DVD. HO SNAP!. Do you see how your logic causes an issue? A brand new, out of the box notebook computer with no optical drive can't do ANYTHING you suggested because it lacks the software - again, your logic == not a PC. The iPad is just as much a "PC" as anything else - because everything else is just as dumb and useless until someone writes the software to make it happen.
For christ sake, you can turn the Playstation 2 into your definition of a "PC" by buying the Linux software from Sony (if they still sell it).
You're confusing "PC Clone" with "Home Computer". The iPad is definitely NOT a PC Clone (look it up) but what it definitely is, is a home computer.
Just read all that back to myself and your logic and views in many areas is going to have to do one mother of a 180 in some areas if you try to argue the opposite.
Your assertions are completely wrong. You basically claim everything can be solved by software. iOS does not allow many of the things on my list. Or are you saying that the iPad capabilities should include things that need a hacked operating system with significant new capabilities added (which doesn't exist)? The PC items I listed exist now and are known functions of a PC. Your are listing theoretical things that don't and will never exist.
How do you claim it can burn DVD's? Are you suggesting that it could if someone custom designed a DVD burner that can plug into the iPod dock, that's a ridiculous and desperate claim. iPad has a USB adapter you say? Useless, it doesn't have a full USB host controller, so it IS a hardware limitation.
Maybe you should read your words back again and look at how wrong they are.
You said if a computer cannot run Office, it is not a PC. Linux is a system to allow a computer to run and there is no version of office for Linux. Is it still a "PC"? Of course it is.
Also, pick up a text book or two, you need to learn more about Unix and Unix-like operating systems if you think they are not very powerful.
You're either a bad troll, or very idiotic.
Thanks for misquoting me. I am not being a troll or idiotic as I never said that Unix isn't powerful. Heck, I've installed Linux on my Wii and Ubuntu on my old Windows XP PC when it went haywire. We're arguing a term that has been changed majorly in the past few years.
Don't forget iPad does NOT have Micrsofot Word, PowerPoint...essentials to any college student. Please dont' count pages...not the same.
That's what I said. I never said that if a computer cannot run Office, it is not a PC.You assumed and were wrong.
So would you call the T-Mobile G1 a PC?
iPads are very limiting pushing them away from being a PC. If you got your kid an iPad or Android tablet, you would run into a lot of problems. Many programs just wouldn't run because of incompatiblity. It's a limited enviroment. The Dreamcast ran Windows CE, but it's not a PC.
PCs have evolved a LOT more than tablets and will continue to do so. Even if a phone is is more powerful than a windows 98 computer, that doesn't mean it completely trounces that computer.
The original Xbox was esentially a PC turned video game console. What made it different ?It only played video games.
Thanks for misquoting me.
That's what I said. I never said that if a computer cannot run Office, it is not a PC.You assumed and were wrong.
No. You said because the iPad cannot run Office it was not a PC. By that logic, if a Linux based PC cannot run office, then it is not a PC. Please think it through. It was not misquoting but applying a different (and realistic) context to your statement.
So would you call the T-Mobile G1 a PC?
Of course not. Its primary function is a telephone.
iPads are very limiting pushing them away from being a PC. If you got your kid an iPad or Android tablet, you would run into a lot of problems. Many programs just wouldn't run because of incompatiblity. It's a limited enviroment. The Dreamcast ran Windows CE, but it's not a PC.
The dreamcast was also a video game system as its primary function. All it would need is the correct operating software to allow access to data manipulation tools and it would become a personal computer. Look at the Playstation 2 with the Hard Disk add on - that ran a full Linux OS with everything from document editing to video playback. Turning it from a Video Game Console to a Home Computer in one move.
PCs have evolved a LOT more than tablets and will continue to do so. Even if a phone is is more powerful than a windows 98 computer, that doesn't mean it completely trounces that computer.
They have evolved from keyboards with cassette decks to boxes with floppy drives. Then boxes with CD Drives to clamshell cases. Then from clamshell cases to thin slate devices. The iPad is a slate device - I put windows on it with a Dell badge and by some crazy logic it becomes a PC. How and Why?
The original Xbox was esentially a PC turned video game console. What made it different? It only played video games.
You just contradicted your Dreamcast and G1 arguments by saying that, and verified my claims of "software makes the system what it is". You really have not thought this through.