I see the Android shills and zealots have done a good job of distracting from the actual issue: that a major Android handset will get zero features from the latest version of Android because the manufacturer won't be offering any upgrade, at all. Lots of noise about Siri, blah, blah, blah, and hoping the real issue goes unnoticed.
I see the Android shills and zealots have done a good job of distracting from the actual issue: that a major Android handset will get zero features from the latest version of Android because the manufacturer won't be offering any upgrade, at all. Lots of noise about Siri, blah, blah, blah, and hoping the real issue goes unnoticed.
What about the claims that all the new versions of Android are meaningless because anyone with 2.2 can have any of the apps written for any later versions?
Someone on here was claiming that. Known troll, obviously, but I can't remember who it was.
Yet most of those users have no idea of why they are updating apart from it is available and it pops up and tells them it is available.
If they had to go find a custom ROM and flash it, they would not. That was my point.
Knowing why they update is irrelevant really isn't it?
I mean, for every user of iOS that updates without knowing, there are 100,000s of Android users who don't know what a Custom ROM or rooting is. So you any point made is kind of side-stepping the issue that nearly all users of Samsung android devices WILL NOT get ICS.
PS: To address your other comment, "Samsung is making a similar marketing decision. Since they didn't design the OS (Android 4.x) they don't have the option of allowing some features while denying others as Apple does.
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No, Samsung's bloatware crap that they load on top of their phones (Touchwiz) mean that there isn't enough resources leftover for the devices to run ICS. Marketing has nothing to do with it.
Damn, well I'm glad I'm not getting 6x overcharged for the apps I buy.
1. The FCC also cleared Galaxy Tab 10.1s for in flight entertainment
2. The 3GS is also given away for a free with a new contract. Will that be supported in 2 years? Nope.
3. Malware? I guarantee you have never met someone that has ever downloaded malware from the Android market. I have never ran into any app that did anything malicious at all.
4. Google, George Mason University and the NSA are working on making Android the most secure platform yet.
5. The DoD has already cleared android tablets for official use
6. Who said it took too much processing power? You didn't read the article, did you? It's the size of Samsung's Touchwiz. Beta builds of ICS are already available for those devices.
7. As far as more profits from the iOS store, let's take a look at that real quick.
Open up your iphone's app store. Take a look at the top 25 free apps. Most of them are for kids. Kids that use in-app purchases. It's really that simple. Little games with in-app purchases have been the most profitable apps this year. And with more teens/tweens using iphones, it makes more revenue for the developers.
1. I'm sure he meant the FAA (for the Flight manuals etc., no Android there).
2. Apple ONLY guarantee OS updates for 2-years AFTER the ORIGINAL release date. Most Android manufacturers can't get devices up-to-date as of six months PRIOR to the release of their devices.
3. Just because I haven't met them doesn't mean they don't exist (the malware authors have made enough money off them to suggest the do in fact exist.) A rather moot point.
4. Big deal! Microsoft had been doing the exact same thing since Windows 95 was released and look how that panned out up until Vista/Windows 7 (although there are still serious issues with the networking stack since MS saw in their wisdom to rewrite something proven, from scratch).
5. Exchange configuration/encryption support still isn't great (non-existent?) on Android, precluding it from use in most enterprises with an ounce of knowledge on these things.
6. So what, Samsung isn't prepared to ship builds of Android to phones without TouchWiz, so only the odd geek will get ICS. Another moot point on your part!
7. Not sure what point you're trying to make here. Regardless of WHAT type of purchase app/in-app/subscription, owners of iOS ARE spending the lion's share of the money to be had in the mobile software area. No amount of your pointless spin and rhetoric can change that.
Stick to the road of facts, instead of spending your time trying to drag everyone off the path into your swamp of bullshti!
Some of you guys are so blind by your love of the fruit. Take your qoute and ask youself the same thing about the Samsung. When someone purchased the Galaxy last year were they told it would get ICS? NO! But here you are turning the table and screaming about how bad Android and Samsung are. I believe Samsung simply has the BALLS to do what every other manufacture would like to do.
F**k their customers? Great business model.
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I firmly believe Apple would have liked to NOT update the 3Gs VS putting the money and resources into it running iOS5. One thing some of you guys have got to remember is that Apple, Samsung, Google etc are out to make money. They have got to satisfy the Board, Stockholders, etc. They don't give a rats ass about us, and if they ever show that they do it's simply a marketing ploy.
No, I am not an Android Fanboy. I simply refuse to be blinded by my appreciation for Apple products.
Apple may not have liked to update the 3GS, but they have made plenty of noise that they would provide upgrades to a device for 2-years after the original release date. This alone leads to a much better experience and a less bitter taste in the mouth when that 2-year mark arrives. Unlike the crap shoot of maybe/maybe not getting upgrades to newest or even 6-month old version of the OS.
Or are you blinded by your desire to not be blinded by your appreciation for Apple products, that you'll conveniently ignore/forget FACTS which go against your opinion?
If by sweet you mean "i have to build it myself because no one can ship a working product," couldn't agree more.
Custom ROMS. Because I want to waste my time on something that should have come out of the box. Sounds like fun. I have a life, job, hobbies, kids, and goals. Get out of the basement and get laid, that won't seem so impressive anymore.
Community driven? By what community? You mean the Android community got together and said "hey who prefers to have to root your phone and tinker with it and maybe brick it rather than have updates actually install themselevs silently in the background? Yeah I thought so, motion passed!"
My god you are more pathetic than i thought...
"Open"
Buahahahahahahah! Keep telling yourself that. Enjoy your carrier installed keyloggers and google forced tracking buddy!
I'm guessing the community built version of Android 4.0 is conveniently missing all of those awful (misrepresented) apps. Like I said installing a ROM is trivial and can be done by generally anyone who can follow basic instructions. I'd wager a 5th grader could do it.
They want something that just works without the need to "hack" or jump through hoops to get something (updated OS) they have no idea of what/why they would need.
I'll bet you $10,000 that your made up statistic is wrong.
You are missing the point. Samsung is essentially saying the top of the line phone it sold less than a year ago is not capable of running Ice Cream Sandwich well enough to update the devices. Compare that to the iPhone, where iOS can run on three years worth of hardware. Further, Android is not really open. Amazon and Barnes and Noble can't call their devices Android powered because they would be forced to use Google's Services to do so. The Nexus phone gets a several month head start on every body else in being able to use the latest OS.
Samsung is really only saying they won't remove their inefficient skin. Someone else (independent developer) has already stepped in and taken care of that problem.
I'll bet you $10,000 that your made up statistic is wrong.
I think this situation is simply a lose-lose for Android trolls.
Either he's right and 99% of people couldn't care less about rooting, ruining that argument, or a percentage less than 99 doesn't care about rooting, artificially limiting the number of devices that have actually been sold.
XDA Developers, Cyanogenmod to name a couple. The community of iOS "fans" are stuck with their Siri-less, battery drained iOS 5 devices with ABSOLUTELY NO OUTLET. So you like bending over for Apple eh?
I think this situation is simply a lose-lose for Android trolls.
Either he's right and 99% of people couldn't care less about rooting, ruining that argument, or a percentage less than 99 doesn't care about rooting, artificially limiting the number of devices that have actually been sold.
It's a lose-lose for people who make up statistics like "99% of android users are stupid and don't know anything about third party ROMs", etc, etc.
XDA Developers, Cyanogenmod to name a couple. The community of iOS "fans" are stuck with their Siri-less, battery drained iOS 5 devices with ABSOLUTELY NO OUTLET. So you like bending over for Apple eh?
Obviously you've never heard of the jailbreak COMMUNITY.
Although the experience is somewhat crapper than the original iOS device because of the hacking.
I see the Android shills and zealots have done a good job of distracting from the actual issue: that a major Android handset will get zero features from the latest version of Android because the manufacturer won't be offering any upgrade, at all. Lots of noise about Siri, blah, blah, blah, and hoping the real issue goes unnoticed.
The difference is that Android users do have a solution, if they just look for it. Apple users must kneel to Apple's will. For instance, if you upgrade your iPhone 4 to iOS 5.0.1 and find that it now eats battery, you're screwed. End of story.
Obviously you've never heard of the jailbreak COMMUNITY.
Although the experience is somewhat crapper than the original iOS device because of the hacking.
I've heard of it. My 4S battery life is awful compared to my 4 on 4.3.5. What is jailbreaking going to get me? A phone I can barely use if I'm not near a computer to re-root it that still has bad battery life. Awful. It makes me miss Android a bit.
The difference is that Android users do have a solution, if they just look for it. Apple users must kneel to Apple's will. For instance, if you upgrade your iPhone 4 to iOS 5.0.1 and find that it now eats battery, you're screwed. End of story.
Versus having a phone which can never have battery life even close to that of an iOS device. Big deal!
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I see the Android shills and zealots have done a good job of distracting from the actual issue: that a major Android handset will get zero features from the latest version of Android because the manufacturer won't be offering any upgrade, at all. Lots of noise about Siri, blah, blah, blah, and hoping the real issue goes unnoticed.
What about the claims that all the new versions of Android are meaningless because anyone with 2.2 can have any of the apps written for any later versions?
Someone on here was claiming that. Known troll, obviously, but I can't remember who it was.
Yet most of those users have no idea of why they are updating apart from it is available and it pops up and tells them it is available.
If they had to go find a custom ROM and flash it, they would not. That was my point.
Knowing why they update is irrelevant really isn't it?
I mean, for every user of iOS that updates without knowing, there are 100,000s of Android users who don't know what a Custom ROM or rooting is. So you any point made is kind of side-stepping the issue that nearly all users of Samsung android devices WILL NOT get ICS.
PS: To address your other comment, "Samsung is making a similar marketing decision. Since they didn't design the OS (Android 4.x) they don't have the option of allowing some features while denying others as Apple does.
.
No, Samsung's bloatware crap that they load on top of their phones (Touchwiz) mean that there isn't enough resources leftover for the devices to run ICS. Marketing has nothing to do with it.
Did you miss the part where Apple watered down the update to give you SOME incentive to upgrade your device?
Do you not realise the part where SYSTEM-WIDE voice recognition comes with a SIGNIFICANT overhead?
Damn, well I'm glad I'm not getting 6x overcharged for the apps I buy.
1. The FCC also cleared Galaxy Tab 10.1s for in flight entertainment
2. The 3GS is also given away for a free with a new contract. Will that be supported in 2 years? Nope.
3. Malware? I guarantee you have never met someone that has ever downloaded malware from the Android market. I have never ran into any app that did anything malicious at all.
4. Google, George Mason University and the NSA are working on making Android the most secure platform yet.
5. The DoD has already cleared android tablets for official use
6. Who said it took too much processing power? You didn't read the article, did you? It's the size of Samsung's Touchwiz. Beta builds of ICS are already available for those devices.
7. As far as more profits from the iOS store, let's take a look at that real quick.
Open up your iphone's app store. Take a look at the top 25 free apps. Most of them are for kids. Kids that use in-app purchases. It's really that simple. Little games with in-app purchases have been the most profitable apps this year. And with more teens/tweens using iphones, it makes more revenue for the developers.
1. I'm sure he meant the FAA (for the Flight manuals etc., no Android there).
2. Apple ONLY guarantee OS updates for 2-years AFTER the ORIGINAL release date. Most Android manufacturers can't get devices up-to-date as of six months PRIOR to the release of their devices.
3. Just because I haven't met them doesn't mean they don't exist (the malware authors have made enough money off them to suggest the do in fact exist.) A rather moot point.
4. Big deal! Microsoft had been doing the exact same thing since Windows 95 was released and look how that panned out up until Vista/Windows 7 (although there are still serious issues with the networking stack since MS saw in their wisdom to rewrite something proven, from scratch).
5. Exchange configuration/encryption support still isn't great (non-existent?) on Android, precluding it from use in most enterprises with an ounce of knowledge on these things.
6. So what, Samsung isn't prepared to ship builds of Android to phones without TouchWiz, so only the odd geek will get ICS. Another moot point on your part!
7. Not sure what point you're trying to make here. Regardless of WHAT type of purchase app/in-app/subscription, owners of iOS ARE spending the lion's share of the money to be had in the mobile software area. No amount of your pointless spin and rhetoric can change that.
Stick to the road of facts, instead of spending your time trying to drag everyone off the path into your swamp of bullshti!
Some of you guys are so blind by your love of the fruit. Take your qoute and ask youself the same thing about the Samsung. When someone purchased the Galaxy last year were they told it would get ICS? NO! But here you are turning the table and screaming about how bad Android and Samsung are. I believe Samsung simply has the BALLS to do what every other manufacture would like to do.
F**k their customers? Great business model.
I firmly believe Apple would have liked to NOT update the 3Gs VS putting the money and resources into it running iOS5. One thing some of you guys have got to remember is that Apple, Samsung, Google etc are out to make money. They have got to satisfy the Board, Stockholders, etc. They don't give a rats ass about us, and if they ever show that they do it's simply a marketing ploy.
No, I am not an Android Fanboy. I simply refuse to be blinded by my appreciation for Apple products.
Apple may not have liked to update the 3GS, but they have made plenty of noise that they would provide upgrades to a device for 2-years after the original release date. This alone leads to a much better experience and a less bitter taste in the mouth when that 2-year mark arrives. Unlike the crap shoot of maybe/maybe not getting upgrades to newest or even 6-month old version of the OS.
Or are you blinded by your desire to not be blinded by your appreciation for Apple products, that you'll conveniently ignore/forget FACTS which go against your opinion?
Really? Anyone?
Yes, anyone who can follow basic instructions. Are you saying that iOS is superior because it's for people who can't follow simple instructions?
Thoughts. Which your words were missing.
If by sweet you mean "i have to build it myself because no one can ship a working product," couldn't agree more.
Custom ROMS. Because I want to waste my time on something that should have come out of the box. Sounds like fun. I have a life, job, hobbies, kids, and goals. Get out of the basement and get laid, that won't seem so impressive anymore.
Community driven? By what community? You mean the Android community got together and said "hey who prefers to have to root your phone and tinker with it and maybe brick it rather than have updates actually install themselevs silently in the background? Yeah I thought so, motion passed!"
My god you are more pathetic than i thought...
"Open"
Buahahahahahahah! Keep telling yourself that. Enjoy your carrier installed keyloggers and google forced tracking buddy!
I'm guessing the community built version of Android 4.0 is conveniently missing all of those awful (misrepresented) apps. Like I said installing a ROM is trivial and can be done by generally anyone who can follow basic instructions. I'd wager a 5th grader could do it.
And 99% of user will not do this.
They want something that just works without the need to "hack" or jump through hoops to get something (updated OS) they have no idea of what/why they would need.
I'll bet you $10,000 that your made up statistic is wrong.
You are missing the point. Samsung is essentially saying the top of the line phone it sold less than a year ago is not capable of running Ice Cream Sandwich well enough to update the devices. Compare that to the iPhone, where iOS can run on three years worth of hardware. Further, Android is not really open. Amazon and Barnes and Noble can't call their devices Android powered because they would be forced to use Google's Services to do so. The Nexus phone gets a several month head start on every body else in being able to use the latest OS.
Samsung is really only saying they won't remove their inefficient skin. Someone else (independent developer) has already stepped in and taken care of that problem.
I'll bet you $10,000 that your made up statistic is wrong.
I think this situation is simply a lose-lose for Android trolls.
Either he's right and 99% of people couldn't care less about rooting, ruining that argument, or a percentage less than 99 doesn't care about rooting, artificially limiting the number of devices that have actually been sold.
Inconvenient. Nobody cares. What community?
XDA Developers, Cyanogenmod to name a couple. The community of iOS "fans" are stuck with their Siri-less, battery drained iOS 5 devices with ABSOLUTELY NO OUTLET. So you like bending over for Apple eh?
I think this situation is simply a lose-lose for Android trolls.
Either he's right and 99% of people couldn't care less about rooting, ruining that argument, or a percentage less than 99 doesn't care about rooting, artificially limiting the number of devices that have actually been sold.
It's a lose-lose for people who make up statistics like "99% of android users are stupid and don't know anything about third party ROMs", etc, etc.
The community of iOS "fans"?
You're stepping into troll territory here. How's about not doing that?
?stuck with their Siri-less?
It's entirely possible to get Siri on the iPhone 4 or iPads if people so wish.
?battery drained iOS 5 devices?
Hardly the case for everyone.
?with ABSOLUTELY NO OUTLET.
Other than, you know, going back to iOS 4 if they're so inclined and they believe the battery life is bad enough to warrant such frivolity.
So you like bending over for Apple eh?
? So you like shilling for Android, eh?
XDA Developers, Cyanogenmod to name a couple. The community of iOS "fans" are stuck with their Siri-less, battery drained iOS 5 devices with ABSOLUTELY NO OUTLET. So you like bending over for Apple eh?
Obviously you've never heard of the jailbreak COMMUNITY.
Although the experience is somewhat crapper than the original iOS device because of the hacking.
I see the Android shills and zealots have done a good job of distracting from the actual issue: that a major Android handset will get zero features from the latest version of Android because the manufacturer won't be offering any upgrade, at all. Lots of noise about Siri, blah, blah, blah, and hoping the real issue goes unnoticed.
The difference is that Android users do have a solution, if they just look for it. Apple users must kneel to Apple's will. For instance, if you upgrade your iPhone 4 to iOS 5.0.1 and find that it now eats battery, you're screwed. End of story.
Obviously you've never heard of the jailbreak COMMUNITY.
Although the experience is somewhat crapper than the original iOS device because of the hacking.
I've heard of it. My 4S battery life is awful compared to my 4 on 4.3.5. What is jailbreaking going to get me? A phone I can barely use if I'm not near a computer to re-root it that still has bad battery life. Awful. It makes me miss Android a bit.
The difference is that Android users do have a solution, if they just look for it. Apple users must kneel to Apple's will. For instance, if you upgrade your iPhone 4 to iOS 5.0.1 and find that it now eats battery, you're screwed. End of story.
Versus having a phone which can never have battery life even close to that of an iOS device. Big deal!
You're stepping into troll territory here. How's about not doing that?
It's entirely possible to get Siri on the iPhone 4 or iPads if people so wish.
Hardly the case for everyone.
Other than, you know, going back to iOS 4 if they're so inclined and they believe the battery life is bad enough to warrant such frivolity.
… So you like shilling for Android, eh?
You can lambaste and call me a troll all you want, but I am just an Apple user that plays devil's advocate. I own 2 macbooks and an iphone.