My iPhone 4 already does facetime over 3G. It's called jailbreaking and a little app named 3G unrestrictor. Also lets me download apps of any size. Sorry apple, but for a company that's all about "simplicity" your feature set is one of the most complicated on the market. It will only get worse when they go to the simple naming scheme because no one will be able to keep track of which phone they have, just like with the current mac models.
Orly welcome to the forums btw since you joined just to post the above.
Sure you could jailbreak...I've done it on my 4...and it doesn't compare to the 4S..
You guys do remember the A5 does have some differences from the A4
If the iPhone 4 can do FaceTime over Wi-Fi, it can do FaceTime over 3G...
They made a deal with the carriers, Most 4s don't have the unlimited data plans, as most iphone 4 could have. if you upgrade to new phone you lose the data plan.
So not for the iPhone 4 huh? That doesn't seem right. I am glad I have an iPhone 4s.
Apple did release iPhoto for iPad 2 or better. I was able to get iPhoto to work on my iPad first Gen. But there is no way to hack SIRI on an iPhone 4 in iOS 6. How sad.
Maybe a company like Google will release a program capable turn by turn nab for the iPhone 4 and older.
My iPhone 4 already does facetime over 3G. It's called jailbreaking and a little app named 3G unrestrictor. Also lets me download apps of any size. Sorry apple, but for a company that's all about "simplicity" your feature set is one of the most complicated on the market. It will only get worse when they go to the simple naming scheme because no one will be able to keep track of which phone they have, just like with the current mac models.
Much better to keep everything simple and never offer software upgrades like Google and friends.
They made a deal with the carriers, Most 4s don't have the unlimited data plans, as most iphone 4 could have. if you upgrade to new phone you lose the data plan.
WUT? Most of the 4S user's I know have grandfathered data plans along with myself and my wife's phone...upgrading to the new phone would not change your plan..just your contract term length.
I dont believe the sinister motive that many will write about. My guess is that Apple determined that pre-4S models didn't offer the minimum quality of user experience they wanted the public to have.
More likely the decision was made to exclude the iPhone 4 so carriers could start handling FaceTime gradually. It seems the main issue at hand here is that Apple claims they have one platform and one version of an OS when in reality the fine print creates a whole host of various sub-versions and feature fragmentation. We're still a far cry from the Android quagmire but I can't help missing the days of OS X when buying the newest version meant getting all the new features.
I agree. I am really mad that iPhone 4 has become a stepchild.
And you don't think the 4S will suffer the same fate?? The device update is coming soon...the 4S is well over 6 months old now...with new device comes features the just upgraded 4S users will miss out on..
So Apple i pulling the same stunt again (as they did with lte/4g)? First publishing something and then change the requirement. Hope that you have a screen shot of the text because there will be a number of people here that will not believe you until hard evidence is published ;-)
And you don't think the 4S will suffer the same fate?? The device update is coming soon...the 4S is well over 6 months old now...with new device comes features the just upgraded 4S users will miss out on..
Wasn't the 4S released about 9 months ago back in October last year? I recall it being about the 14th or so of October for the first release.
Which to be honest, is how we should be judging the age of any product that Apple releases. You buy a 3gs today it is not 1 day old - the phone itself is a 3 year old device.
Wow - us iphone 4 owners are really getting the shaft. Pretty shitty move Apple - considering my phone is only a little over a year old.
Yeah, except when iOS 6 actually *launches* (it isn't out right now obviously), your phone will be two generations old and would have shipped with an OS that is two generations old as well. Also, at that time, your phone will fall into the "free" category in terms of most offers from most cell providers.
It will on the other hand *run* iOS 6 and you will get it as a free upgrade (even though when you bought it, the promise was only that it would run iOS 4 and iOS 5), except a few features won't be working/possible.
So Apple i pulling the same stunt again (as they did with lte/4g)? First publishing something and then change the requirement. Hope that you have a screen shot of the text because there will be a number of people here that will not believe you until hard evidence is published ;-)
Sorry this should be quoting bob101 and yardbirdjo
4. FaceTime over a cellular network requires iPhone 4 or later, or iPad 2 or later with cellular data capability. Carrier data charges may apply. FaceTime is not available in all countries.
It doesn't say that. Tried the link you gave me and it says 4S and 3rd gen iPad only.
Wasn't the 4S released about 9 months ago back in October last year? I recall it being about the 14th or so of October for the first release.
Which to be honest, is how we should be judging the age of any product that Apple releases. You buy a 3gs today it is not 1 day old - the phone itself is a 3 year old device.
Yep about 242-3 days ago to be precise, I set a memo for that date in my calendar so it reminds me often after all we did wait quite awhile for the 4S to arrive.
I'd say we have an excessive amount of OS fragmentation going on here but Apple is employing a ruse by giving each device it's own OS with the same version number as everybody else, but obviously severely restricting features for older devices. As such, for Apple to point the finger at Google about OS fragmentation is a sham.
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Orly welcome to the forums btw since you joined just to post the above.
Sure you could jailbreak...I've done it on my 4...and it doesn't compare to the 4S..
You guys do remember the A5 does have some differences from the A4
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Originally Posted by tylersdad
For which feature? Turn-by-turn navigation? I have that on my iPhone 4 using Navigon. Works great.
Siri? Works on jailbroken phones.
At the very least, for those two features, Apple has held them back from iPhone 4 users with some other motive in mind other than hardware capability.
The feature that is the main subject this thread.
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Originally Posted by tylersdad
The Verizon iPhone 4S has Siri and will receive the other updates from iOS 6 and it does not use the HSPA network since Verizon does not have one.
Data throughput is not a valid argument.
How about Apple's servers? Also one carrier does not make it invalid when it may be the majority.
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Originally Posted by dpriceslc
If the iPhone 4 can do FaceTime over Wi-Fi, it can do FaceTime over 3G...
They made a deal with the carriers, Most 4s don't have the unlimited data plans, as most iphone 4 could have. if you upgrade to new phone you lose the data plan.
Siri - Uses Apples servers. Just with the 4S we have times the servers can't handle it all. Adding iPhone 4 will just make it worse.
Turn by turn - uses parts of Siri and Apple's servers more.
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Originally Posted by Akac
How about Apple's servers? Also one carrier does not make it invalid when it may be the majority.
Apple's Servers?
If Skype servers can handle the whole world of phones and PC's, I think Apple can handle iphone 4S's and 4's.
So not for the iPhone 4 huh? That doesn't seem right. I am glad I have an iPhone 4s.
Apple did release iPhoto for iPad 2 or better. I was able to get iPhoto to work on my iPad first Gen. But there is no way to hack SIRI on an iPhone 4 in iOS 6. How sad.
Maybe a company like Google will release a program capable turn by turn nab for the iPhone 4 and older.
Much better to keep everything simple and never offer software upgrades like Google and friends.
Wait! Apple is holding back Navigon from iPhone 4? That's the first I heard of that. You say it works great though. Is that a jailbreak?
WUT? Most of the 4S user's I know have grandfathered data plans along with myself and my wife's phone...upgrading to the new phone would not change your plan..just your contract term length.
I agree. I am really mad that iPhone 4 has become a stepchild.
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Originally Posted by jd_in_sb
I dont believe the sinister motive that many will write about. My guess is that Apple determined that pre-4S models didn't offer the minimum quality of user experience they wanted the public to have.
More likely the decision was made to exclude the iPhone 4 so carriers could start handling FaceTime gradually. It seems the main issue at hand here is that Apple claims they have one platform and one version of an OS when in reality the fine print creates a whole host of various sub-versions and feature fragmentation. We're still a far cry from the Android quagmire but I can't help missing the days of OS X when buying the newest version meant getting all the new features.
And you don't think the 4S will suffer the same fate?? The device update is coming soon...the 4S is well over 6 months old now...with new device comes features the just upgraded 4S users will miss out on..
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Originally Posted by Flash_beezy
And you don't think the 4S will suffer the same fate?? The device update is coming soon...the 4S is well over 6 months old now...with new device comes features the just upgraded 4S users will miss out on..
Wasn't the 4S released about 9 months ago back in October last year? I recall it being about the 14th or so of October for the first release.
Which to be honest, is how we should be judging the age of any product that Apple releases. You buy a 3gs today it is not 1 day old - the phone itself is a 3 year old device.
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Originally Posted by MacVertigo
Wow - us iphone 4 owners are really getting the shaft. Pretty shitty move Apple - considering my phone is only a little over a year old.
Yeah, except when iOS 6 actually *launches* (it isn't out right now obviously), your phone will be two generations old and would have shipped with an OS that is two generations old as well. Also, at that time, your phone will fall into the "free" category in terms of most offers from most cell providers.
It will on the other hand *run* iOS 6 and you will get it as a free upgrade (even though when you bought it, the promise was only that it would run iOS 4 and iOS 5), except a few features won't be working/possible.
the Horror!
Wah-wah, etc.
Sorry this should be quoting bob101 and yardbirdjo
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Originally Posted by bsenka
**** you Apple. My iPhone 4 is less than a year old, and you're trying to coerce me into buying new one already?...
It doesn't matter when you bought it.
The iPhone 4 is by definition 1 year and 9 months old, not "less than a year." When iOS 6 is out it will be over 2 years old.
(the rest of your post is mindless insults based on zero facts and not worth answering).
It doesn't say that. Tried the link you gave me and it says 4S and 3rd gen iPad only.
Yep about 242-3 days ago to be precise, I set a memo for that date in my calendar so it reminds me often
I'd say we have an excessive amount of OS fragmentation going on here but Apple is employing a ruse by giving each device it's own OS with the same version number as everybody else, but obviously severely restricting features for older devices. As such, for Apple to point the finger at Google about OS fragmentation is a sham.