Apple's next iPhone rumored with 8-pin dock connector, enhanced Bluetooth

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  • Reply 21 of 163

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    Originally Posted by John.B View Post


    Yeah, I'm not understanding why a proprietary 8-pin connector would be any better for iPhone users


     



     


     


    I think that you may be asking the wrong question.


     


    The only relevant question is what makes the most money for Apple?  A new connector will cause mucho licensing fees to come rolling in.  Given that, the move to a new connector which needs to be licensed makes perfect sense.

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  • Reply 22 of 163
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    We never really knew how many pins, anyway. "19" was pulled out of the freaking air.

    But at least it made sense when you removed the FW, iPod Photo, and other unused or obsolesced pins from the current line up. Unless you have some very advanced HW inside to switch pins at will, which seems like overkill, 8 just isn't cutting it.

    gazoobee wrote: »
    If it's only going to have 8 pins ...

    1) why not just use USB3?

    Even iff they add USB3 support you still won't get those speeds. Even now the transfers are still bottlenecked by the NAND.

    One thing I'd like to see, but don't know if it's possible, is using the TB connector for data transfer and charging. I'm still talking about the USB protocol over TB but having 2x the wattage for charging. This would be especially great for the iPad. That said, it's still only 5W with the wall unit and it does mean a hotter unit and parts that wear faster so I'm guessing that simply isn't feasible.

    ireland wrote: »
    I wish it was a mag-safe+data connector. In other words: magnetic. Sadly.

    No way! I don't want my keys or other items to start sticking to my iPhone in my pocket or bag. The whole reason for MagSafe is to protect against accidentally tripping the cord and having the machine go flying off and get damaged. I just don't see how that is an issue with a smartphone. If anything they need a reverse MagSafe for the headphone jack, but that's for another discussion.
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  • Reply 23 of 163
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    Unless you have some very advanced HW inside to switch pins at will, which seems like overkill, 8 just isn't cutting it.


     


    They better darn well not try to tell us to only sync over Wi-Fi. I'll laugh in their faces.





    Even now the transfers are still bottlenecked by the NAND.


     


    So they can make faster NAND! That shouldn't even be a consideration!

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  • Reply 24 of 163
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member

    I think that you may be asking the wrong question.

    The only relevant question is what makes the most money for Apple?  A new connector will cause mucho licensing fees to come rolling in.  Given that, the move to a new connector which needs to be licensed makes perfect sense.

    Why are 8 pins instead of 7 or 9 or 19 pins better for Apple to license? Why do the pin numbers matter at all over the design oft the connector itself?

    The dock connector needs to be able to support USB data transfer in both directions (5 pins?), power (3 pins?), line-out audio (5 pins?), video-out (1 pin?) for a total of at least 14 pins?
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  • Reply 25 of 163
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    They better darn well not try to tell us to only sync over Wi-Fi. I'll laugh in their faces.

    I don't see them doing that. On that same token, even when inductive charging becomes a reality they will offer both methods in their devices.
    So they can make faster NAND! That shouldn't even be a consideration!

    If anyone will offer it I think it' Apple. Hopefully their Anobit purchases yields results sooner rather than later.
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  • Reply 26 of 163
    ssquirrelssquirrel Posts: 1,196member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    They better darn well not try to tell us to only sync over Wi-Fi. I'll laugh in their faces.


     



     


    If Apple gets everything upgraded to 802.11ac next year, we would certainly be a good step closer to being able to sync wirelessly including music and video transfer.  I would still rather plug in a TB cable and have the transfer done so much faster

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  • Reply 27 of 163
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    ssquirrel wrote: »
    If Apple gets everything upgraded to 802.11ac next year, we would certainly be a good step closer to being able to sync wirelessly including music and video transfer.  I would still rather plug in a TB cable and have the transfer done so much faster

    That probably won't happen. Note the iPhone is still doesn't have 5GHz 802.11n. It's also lacking in the spatial streams, and probably the QAMs and channel width. Maybe 802.11ac can push it ahead but at this point I'd wager the HW simply is not ready for it. Then there is still the NAND read/write bottleneck which could make it all moot.
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  • Reply 28 of 163
    aaarrrggghaaarrrgggh Posts: 1,609member
    clemynx wrote: »
    Because USB can't do what the Dock Connector can? How many times does this need to be said?

    Could you explain what exactly, please? With wifi becoming more and more the most elegant and natural way of synching, what's left is mainly charging, and mini USB would be perfect for that, the hole size seems compatible with it.

    It is mostly a legacy thing, but look at what all the pins are used for. You have line in/out for audio, and a mechanism to communicate with accessories. These accessories include things like heart rate monitors, stereos, magnetic stripe and laser scanners, etc. USB is more work to make an accessory for. Much less today than it was 10 years ago, but still more work. More work means more power consumption.
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  • Reply 29 of 163
    clemynxclemynx Posts: 1,552member
    aaarrrgggh wrote: »
    It is mostly a legacy thing, but look at what all the pins are used for. You have line in/out for audio, and a mechanism to communicate with accessories. These accessories include things like heart rate monitors, stereos, magnetic stripe and laser scanners, etc. USB is more work to make an accessory for. Much less today than it was 10 years ago, but still more work. More work means more power consumption.

    Ok, but it's annoying to imagine that stuff that a minority of people use may be hindering the work they are doing in redesigning the pin.


    I've thought about this a lot and I don't think it will be "the new iPhone". They had good reasons for calling the iPad 3 that way. I think this is going to be the iPhone 5.

    To explain quickly, the new iPad was called like that because it looked just like an iPad 2. They couldn't call it the iPad 2S because speed wasn't the only change and they wanted people to focus on the new screen. They couldn't call it the iPad 3 because when turned off people would wonder what's the difference between the 2 and 3 (compared to the iPhone 3G/3GS or 4/4S where people assume that the change is internal thanks to the name). "The new iPad" has a lot of mystery in it, and people who assume that it just has a speed bump of the previous one are left wondering what's so new about it.

    On the other hand, the next iPhone doesn't need that, and with his new form factor, will indeed be the iPhone 5, and Apple will sell lots of it.
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  • Reply 30 of 163
    monstrositymonstrosity Posts: 2,234member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 View Post


     


    The only relevant question is what makes the most money for Apple?  A new connector will cause mucho licensing fees to come rolling in.  Given that, the move to a new connector which needs to be licensed makes perfect sense.



     


    Nonsense. It's about making the best, fastest, reliable, smallest, and versatile port there is. USB alone is simply not good enough.

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  • Reply 31 of 163

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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Why are 8 pins instead of 7 or 9 or 19 pins better for Apple to license? Why do the pin numbers matter at all over the design oft the connector itself?

    The dock connector needs to be able to support USB data transfer in both directions (5 pins?), power (3 pins?), line-out audio (5 pins?), video-out (1 pin?) for a total of at least 14 pins?


     


     


    The absolute number of pins is irrelevant.  The fact of a redesign is what makes money.


     


    And line-put audio is handled by the adjacent headphone jack.  

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  • Reply 32 of 163
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post

    Ok, but it's annoying to imagine that stuff that a minority of people use… 


     


    A minority of people connect their iDevices to cars, speakers, and accessories in general? Really?


     



    I think this is going to be the iPhone 5. 


     


    I think you've lost it.


     




    …the new iPad was called like that because it looked just like an iPad 2.



     


    No…






    They couldn't call it the iPad 3 because when turned off people would wonder what's the difference between the 2 and 3…



     


    No… that's not a consideration at all.


     




    "The new iPad" has a lot of mystery in it…



     


    No… it says exactly what the product is.






    On the other hand, the next iPhone doesn't need that, and with his new form factor, will indeed be the iPhone 5, and Apple will sell lots of it.



     


    The 6th iPhone, running iOS 6 and having 4G telephony will be "iPhone 5". Really. Really. This makes sense to you? 

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  • Reply 33 of 163
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,742member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    Because USB can't do what the Dock Connector can? How many times does this need to be said?



     


    And why can't those functions be done over WiFi/BlueTooth (and 4G/3G in the case of the iPhone/iPad) instead of a connector cable?  This is 2012, after all...

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  • Reply 34 of 163
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 View Post


     


     


    The absolute number of pins is irrelevant.  The fact of a redesign is what makes money.


     


    And line-put audio is handled by the adjacent headphone jack.  



    I am so tired of your idiotic comments on eery single post.  


     


    Putting you on permanent ignore in 3, 2, 1 .... 


     


    Edit:


    Now if only the troll-like "Global Moderator" (:rolleyes:), would stop publishing your every remark with a "no" after it, I'd be safe from the idiocy.  


     


    You guys need to look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Argument_Sketch


     


    ... and really take the lesson to heart.


     


    Especially this part: "... Palin becomes frustrated with this, insisting that he paid for an argument, and "an argument is an intellectual process, while contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.""


     


    Just saying the equivalent of "Oh yeah?" back and forth twenty times is NOT an argument.  

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  • Reply 35 of 163
    ssquirrelssquirrel Posts: 1,196member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by John.B View Post


     


    And why can't those functions be done over WiFi/BlueTooth (and 4G/3G in the case of the iPhone/iPad) instead of a connector cable?  This is 2012, after all...



     


    As limited as most carriers are trying to make your bandwidth for 3G/4G, do you really want to eat up your data plan for your phone to communicate w/your car?

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  • Reply 36 of 163


    This has nothing to do with the dock connector.  I hope they are not "really" going to move the headphone jack to the bottom.  It just seems more logical and useful on top.  It is for me, anyway.

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  • Reply 37 of 163
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    ...  Even if they add USB3 support you still won't get those speeds. Even now the transfers are still bottlenecked by the NAND. ...


     


    Well, I'm no engineer but I meant form factor and connector shape/style not USB3 per se.  


     


    USB3 has eight or nine pins, why re-invent a new shape and connector style when they could use a USB3 plug and just use the same pins for different uses (as well as possibly using actual USB3)?  


     


    I still don't really believe this rumour at all. 


    Quick, someone ask Jim Dalrymple whether it's 8 or 19.  :-)

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  • Reply 38 of 163
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by John.B View Post

    And why can't those functions be done over WiFi/BlueTooth (and 4G/3G in the case of the iPhone/iPad) instead of a connector cable?  This is 2012, after all...


     


    And it's embarrassing that wireless cannot replace wired, you're right. But that's the case. It can't be replaced.

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  • Reply 39 of 163
    clemynxclemynx Posts: 1,552member
    A minority of people connect their iDevices to cars, speakers, and accessories in general? Really?


    I think you've lost it.


    No…

    No… that's not a consideration at all.


    No… it says exactly what the product is.

    The 6th iPhone, running iOS 6 and having 4G telephony will be "iPhone 5". Really. Really. This makes sense to you? 

    What do you think? That I wrote it and it doesn't make sense to me?
    Saying no, no, no is hardly an argument.
    And I don't see why I have to be talked to like that by a moderator. What authorizes you to say that "I lost it?". Pfff learn to do your job.
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  • Reply 40 of 163
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post

    What do you think? That I wrote it and it doesn't make sense to me?


     


    No, I'm wondering how it makes sense to you.


     



    Saying no, no, no is hardly an argument.


     


    Seemed fitting in response to an argument of nothing but guesses.

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