I find it hard to believe you still can't make the connection.
Of course Apple (or any company), do not control it's customers in the literal sense, but they do control them, or to a lesser degree, influence them with marketing hype.
So you think I am putting words in your mouth by just using your comment more literally than you intended? That's a new one.
You're the one that generalized thus: "but most Apple users can't stop themselves." while later more or less acknowledging you don't actually know anyone that does that, other than people on web sites.
The phenomenon is not unique to Apple enthusiasts anyway.
So you think I am putting words in your mouth by just using your comment more literally than you intended? That's a new one.
You're the one that generalized thus: "but most Apple users can't stop themselves." while later more or less acknowledging you don't actually know anyone that does that, other than people on web sites.
The phenomenon is not unique to Apple enthusiasts anyway.
Most adults know when to not take things literally.
Since when do I have to know somebody that does it, before for it can be true? I don't know any murderers, but I know they're out there.
I never said it was unique to Apple enthusiasts. But at least you finally confirmed it does happen to them.
Most adults know when to not take things literally.
Since when do I have to know somebody that does it, before for it can be true? I don't know any murderers, but I know they're out there.
I never said it was unique to Apple enthusiasts. But at least you finally confirmed it does happen to them.
I wasn't trying to say there aren't Apple buyers that buy every release. At issue is an irresponsibly generalized statement as to the degree in question.
I'd also think that an adult would know better to not make sweeping generalizations without having any actual knowledge of the matter at hand. Those that buy every release are in the minority, not the majority.
Apple does get a lot of repeat business, but there have been plenty of stretches of times where half of Apple's business went to buyers totally new to Apple. There's no way for a company to grow with a fixed user base, and Apples customer base is clearly growing.
Since when do I have to know somebody that does it, before for it can be true?
Since just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.
Your original point wasn't wrong (other than the bit about people here, of course), but then you decided to claim that everyone who has ever used an Apple product not only wants to update at every revision, but does.
I don't really get why you'd think that, much less why you'd say it.
Since just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.
Your original point wasn't wrong (other than the bit about people here, of course), but then you decided to claim that everyone who has ever used an Apple product not only wants to update at every revision, but does.
I don't really get why you'd think that, much less why you'd say it.
You of all people, trying to call someone else idiotic for saying things without evidence? Simply unbelievable.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Show me where I claimed every apple user updates at every revision. I said "I know people don't have to upgrade every year, but most Apple users can't stop themselves".
Seeing numerous post here, other forums and in the news is why I think that. Maybe if you didn't spend 7 days a week here posting 1500 flippant replies a month, you would think that too.
To make matters worse, iPad owners bought what was the latest, then Apple f'ked them by releasing the iPad4 much earlier than normal.
San Jose Mercury News, October 25.
"The fanfare of Apple's announcement of 2 new iPads on Tuesday quickly gave way to backlash from consumers who say the short life span of Apple products is becoming worrisome - and expensive". Expensive because they are repeat buyers.
"Apple has a loyal following of consumers who lust after its newest products and the emotional letdown of the short life of the third-generation tablet may have hit this group particulary hard..."
"I bought an iPad3 in August and I definitely feel cheated"
Another owner said, Apple should have told him "that in 48hrs it would be outdated"
"iPad owners in the Bay Area weren't alone in their frustration"
[...] "I bought an iPad3 in August and I definitely feel cheated"
I've never understood people like that. How does the release of another iPad affect the utility of the one they have? They can still do whatever they intended to do when they bought it. The release of a new one doesn't disable the one they have. It's goofy.
To make matters worse, iPad owners bought what was the latest, then Apple f'ked them by releasing the iPad4 much earlier than normal.
San Jose Mercury News, October 25.
"The fanfare of Apple's announcement of 2 new iPads on Tuesday quickly gave way to backlash from consumers who say the short life span of Apple products is becoming worrisome - and expensive". Expensive because they are repeat buyers.
"Apple has a loyal following of consumers who lust after its newest products and the emotional letdown of the short life of the third-generation tablet may have hit this group particulary hard..."
"I bought an iPad3 in August and I definitely feel cheated"
Another owner said, Apple should have told him "that in 48hrs it would be outdated"
"iPad owners in the Bay Area weren't alone in their frustration"
Bunch of whining, no meaning or purpose. Apple did nothing to anyone. Come off it.
I've never understood people like that. How does the release of another iPad affect the utility of the one they have? They can still do whatever they intended to do when they bought it. The release of a new one doesn't disable the one they have. It's goofy.
In economics it's called a positional good. We see this sort of pathetic mewling from those that judge their self worth by the social status of having the latest product over having one that serves an actual function which is why these sort of people will claim their iPad bought a month earlier is now "obsolete" because from their perspective it is no longer usable to claim such social superiority. I would wager it's these same people that can't see how an iPad over a Kindle Fire, a Mac over cheap Dell PC, or how a new S Class Mercedes over a used Honda Accord offer nothing except form over function.
Bunch of whining, no meaning or purpose. Apple did nothing to anyone. Come off it.
Just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.
Plus you never answered my question to your previous reply:
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Since just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.
Your original point wasn't wrong (other than the bit about people here, of course), but then you decided to claim that everyone who has ever used an Apple product not only wants to update at every revision, but does.
I don't really get why you'd think that, much less why you'd say it.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Show me where I claimed every apple user updates at every revision. I said "I know people don't have to upgrade every year, but most Apple users can't stop themselves".
Right here, in AI's forums, under the noses of 2 moderators.....
Survey cites brand loyalty in iPad mini buyers; 75% keeping their existing iPad, too
iPad mini buyers surveyed by Piper Jaffray indicate more than half already have an iPad, and three quarters of them plan to keep their full size model alongside their new smaller model.
Yes, you managed to prove something that we weren't contesting, and in fact argues for my assertion that those that buy every version are a minority. Only 25% of mini buyers also bought an iPad 3. It doesn't ask of their purchase history before that. Opening weekend sales would tend to bias towards those that do buy everything because that type tends to buy everything right away, so that figure would likely be even lower.
Opening weekend sales would tend to bias towards those that do buy everything because that type tends to buy everything right away, so that figure would likely be even lower.
I'd think those people, plus people who have been waiting for an upgrade, plus brand new buyers—either walk-bys who see the crowds or people who had been planning to get into this whole newfangled Apple thing but were waiting for the right time.
When I waited in line for the first iPad, I didn't hear a single testimony from someone who "just bought everything Apple makes". I heard, "I read about it online and it sounds just like something I've been waiting for," "This IS the future. Who would carry a laptop around after this?" and "My iPhone was my first Apple product, and it was the best phone I've ever had. I was wrong about the touchscreen back then, and I'm not going to make that mistake this time," more than anything else.
iPad 3, we hardly knew you! The release of a fourth-generation iPad model has sent the trade-in volume sky high for the seven-month-old iPad 3. iPad 3 owners came out in droves once Apple told the world their months-old tablet would be replaced with a model that has a sharper screen, a faster processor, and improved high-def video camera.
A new product release by Apple never fails to stir the secondary market of owners looking to upgrade, and the latest industry data underscore the buzz. In the 30 days before Tuesday's announcement, the number of iPad owners seeking trade-in quotes rose 80% from the previous month at Gazelle, according to Anthony Scarsella, chief gadget officer.
About 70% of trades registered on Gazelle on Tuesday came from iPad 3 owners, Scarsella says. "The numbers completely flipped after the announcement," he says. "We were just expecting the iPad Mini. When (Apple executives) got on stage, people started trading iPad 3 in record numbers."
In total, Gazelle made 140,000 offers to buy back iPads on Tuesday, a 700% jump from the day earlier.
NextWorth also saw a spike in trade-in requests, says Jeff Trachsel, chief marketing officer. About 66% of trade-ins were from iPad 3 owners.
Yes, you managed to prove something that we weren't contesting, and in fact argues for my assertion that those that buy every version are a minority. Only 25% of mini buyers also bought an iPad 3. It doesn't ask of their purchase history before that. Opening weekend sales would tend to bias towards those that do buy everything because that type tends to buy everything right away, so that figure would likely be even lower.
No. Opening weekend sales are by people with little to no control. People that have some control can put off the purchase a few days, weeks or months.
According to the Bell Curve, there are more of those types than the no control types.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'd think those people, plus people who have been waiting for an upgrade, plus brand new buyers—either walk-bys who see the crowds or people who had been planning to get into this whole newfangled Apple thing but were waiting for the right time.
When I waited in line for the first iPad, I didn't hear a single testimony from someone who "just bought everything Apple makes". I heard, "I read about it online and it sounds just like something I've been waiting for," "This IS the future. Who would carry a laptop around after this?" and "My iPhone was my first Apple product, and it was the best phone I've ever had. I was wrong about the touchscreen back then, and I'm not going to make that mistake this time," more than anything else.
144k offers, which isn't a closed sale, and eh don't say what the closing percentage is. With 93k offers (not closes) being iPad 3, really pales compared to the millions projected to sell this weekend, and millions more when the LTE version drops. In the grand scheme, doesn't sound like much.
Comments
So you think I am putting words in your mouth by just using your comment more literally than you intended? That's a new one.
You're the one that generalized thus: "but most Apple users can't stop themselves." while later more or less acknowledging you don't actually know anyone that does that, other than people on web sites.
The phenomenon is not unique to Apple enthusiasts anyway.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDM
So you think I am putting words in your mouth by just using your comment more literally than you intended? That's a new one.
You're the one that generalized thus: "but most Apple users can't stop themselves." while later more or less acknowledging you don't actually know anyone that does that, other than people on web sites.
The phenomenon is not unique to Apple enthusiasts anyway.
Most adults know when to not take things literally.
Since when do I have to know somebody that does it, before for it can be true? I don't know any murderers, but I know they're out there.
I never said it was unique to Apple enthusiasts. But at least you finally confirmed it does happen to them.
I wasn't trying to say there aren't Apple buyers that buy every release. At issue is an irresponsibly generalized statement as to the degree in question.
I'd also think that an adult would know better to not make sweeping generalizations without having any actual knowledge of the matter at hand. Those that buy every release are in the minority, not the majority.
Apple does get a lot of repeat business, but there have been plenty of stretches of times where half of Apple's business went to buyers totally new to Apple. There's no way for a company to grow with a fixed user base, and Apples customer base is clearly growing.
Originally Posted by Russell
Since when do I have to know somebody that does it, before for it can be true?
Since just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.
Your original point wasn't wrong (other than the bit about people here, of course), but then you decided to claim that everyone who has ever used an Apple product not only wants to update at every revision, but does.
I don't really get why you'd think that, much less why you'd say it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Since just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.
Your original point wasn't wrong (other than the bit about people here, of course), but then you decided to claim that everyone who has ever used an Apple product not only wants to update at every revision, but does.
I don't really get why you'd think that, much less why you'd say it.
You of all people, trying to call someone else idiotic for saying things without evidence? Simply unbelievable.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Show me where I claimed every apple user updates at every revision. I said "I know people don't have to upgrade every year, but most Apple users can't stop themselves".
Seeing numerous post here, other forums and in the news is why I think that. Maybe if you didn't spend 7 days a week here posting 1500 flippant replies a month, you would think that too.
To make matters worse, iPad owners bought what was the latest, then Apple f'ked them by releasing the iPad4 much earlier than normal.
San Jose Mercury News, October 25.
"The fanfare of Apple's announcement of 2 new iPads on Tuesday quickly gave way to backlash from consumers who say the short life span of Apple products is becoming worrisome - and expensive". Expensive because they are repeat buyers.
"Apple has a loyal following of consumers who lust after its newest products and the emotional letdown of the short life of the third-generation tablet may have hit this group particulary hard..."
"I bought an iPad3 in August and I definitely feel cheated"
Another owner said, Apple should have told him "that in 48hrs it would be outdated"
"iPad owners in the Bay Area weren't alone in their frustration"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russell
[...] "I bought an iPad3 in August and I definitely feel cheated"
I've never understood people like that. How does the release of another iPad affect the utility of the one they have? They can still do whatever they intended to do when they bought it. The release of a new one doesn't disable the one they have. It's goofy.
Originally Posted by Russell
To make matters worse, iPad owners bought what was the latest, then Apple f'ked them by releasing the iPad4 much earlier than normal.
San Jose Mercury News, October 25.
"The fanfare of Apple's announcement of 2 new iPads on Tuesday quickly gave way to backlash from consumers who say the short life span of Apple products is becoming worrisome - and expensive". Expensive because they are repeat buyers.
"Apple has a loyal following of consumers who lust after its newest products and the emotional letdown of the short life of the third-generation tablet may have hit this group particulary hard..."
"I bought an iPad3 in August and I definitely feel cheated"
Another owner said, Apple should have told him "that in 48hrs it would be outdated"
"iPad owners in the Bay Area weren't alone in their frustration"
Bunch of whining, no meaning or purpose. Apple did nothing to anyone. Come off it.
In economics it's called a positional good. We see this sort of pathetic mewling from those that judge their self worth by the social status of having the latest product over having one that serves an actual function which is why these sort of people will claim their iPad bought a month earlier is now "obsolete" because from their perspective it is no longer usable to claim such social superiority. I would wager it's these same people that can't see how an iPad over a Kindle Fire, a Mac over cheap Dell PC, or how a new S Class Mercedes over a used Honda Accord offer nothing except form over function.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Bunch of whining, no meaning or purpose. Apple did nothing to anyone. Come off it.
Just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.
Plus you never answered my question to your previous reply:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Since just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.
Your original point wasn't wrong (other than the bit about people here, of course), but then you decided to claim that everyone who has ever used an Apple product not only wants to update at every revision, but does.
I don't really get why you'd think that, much less why you'd say it.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Show me where I claimed every apple user updates at every revision. I said "I know people don't have to upgrade every year, but most Apple users can't stop themselves".
Right here, in AI's forums, under the noses of 2 moderators.....
Survey cites brand loyalty in iPad mini buyers; 75% keeping their existing iPad, too
iPad mini buyers surveyed by Piper Jaffray indicate more than half already have an iPad, and three quarters of them plan to keep their full size model alongside their new smaller model.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/154021/survey-cites-brand-loyalty-in-ipad-mini-buyers-75-keeping-their-existing-ipad-too
Originally Posted by JeffDM
Opening weekend sales would tend to bias towards those that do buy everything because that type tends to buy everything right away, so that figure would likely be even lower.
I'd think those people, plus people who have been waiting for an upgrade, plus brand new buyers—either walk-bys who see the crowds or people who had been planning to get into this whole newfangled Apple thing but were waiting for the right time.
When I waited in line for the first iPad, I didn't hear a single testimony from someone who "just bought everything Apple makes". I heard, "I read about it online and it sounds just like something I've been waiting for," "This IS the future. Who would carry a laptop around after this?" and "My iPhone was my first Apple product, and it was the best phone I've ever had. I was wrong about the touchscreen back then, and I'm not going to make that mistake this time," more than anything else.
Wow! Two mods can't handle one Russel, this is fun to watch!!!
Huh. You didn't notice that Russel's claim was clearly disproven from the link that he himself provided?
iPad Announcement Spurs Trade-Ins of Older iPads
October 26, 2012
iPad 3, we hardly knew you! The release of a fourth-generation iPad model has sent the trade-in volume sky high for the seven-month-old iPad 3. iPad 3 owners came out in droves once Apple told the world their months-old tablet would be replaced with a model that has a sharper screen, a faster processor, and improved high-def video camera.
A new product release by Apple never fails to stir the secondary market of owners looking to upgrade, and the latest industry data underscore the buzz. In the 30 days before Tuesday's announcement, the number of iPad owners seeking trade-in quotes rose 80% from the previous month at Gazelle, according to Anthony Scarsella, chief gadget officer.
About 70% of trades registered on Gazelle on Tuesday came from iPad 3 owners, Scarsella says. "The numbers completely flipped after the announcement," he says. "We were just expecting the iPad Mini. When (Apple executives) got on stage, people started trading iPad 3 in record numbers."
In total, Gazelle made 140,000 offers to buy back iPads on Tuesday, a 700% jump from the day earlier.
NextWorth also saw a spike in trade-in requests, says Jeff Trachsel, chief marketing officer. About 66% of trade-ins were from iPad 3 owners.
http://www.sci-tech-today.com/news/Out-with-the-Old-for-iPad-3-Owners/story.xhtml?story_id=002000003NSS
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDM
Yes, you managed to prove something that we weren't contesting, and in fact argues for my assertion that those that buy every version are a minority. Only 25% of mini buyers also bought an iPad 3. It doesn't ask of their purchase history before that. Opening weekend sales would tend to bias towards those that do buy everything because that type tends to buy everything right away, so that figure would likely be even lower.
No. Opening weekend sales are by people with little to no control. People that have some control can put off the purchase a few days, weeks or months.
According to the Bell Curve, there are more of those types than the no control types.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'd think those people, plus people who have been waiting for an upgrade, plus brand new buyers—either walk-bys who see the crowds or people who had been planning to get into this whole newfangled Apple thing but were waiting for the right time.
When I waited in line for the first iPad, I didn't hear a single testimony from someone who "just bought everything Apple makes". I heard, "I read about it online and it sounds just like something I've been waiting for," "This IS the future. Who would carry a laptop around after this?" and "My iPhone was my first Apple product, and it was the best phone I've ever had. I was wrong about the touchscreen back then, and I'm not going to make that mistake this time," more than anything else.