I disagree that the iPad mini is useless. Try holding the regular iPad on a subway or the equivalent and compare it to the Mini. The difference in weight is the important factor in situations where you're not resting the iPad on anything.
Weight… and price. I don't agree with weight personally, but I understand the argument behind it and see it as valid. Price I somewhat agree with, therefore I see that argument as valid.
The iPad will eventually weigh what the mini does. And the "previous model" iPad could have cost LESS than the iPad mini right now. All they needed to do is drop the iPad 2 to $299. They'll still be making a profit on every single one.
I'd agree with you except they just made a new tablet uselessly smaller than their existing tablet, so it's probably likely that we'll see a 4.2" or 3.8" iPhone.
You just don't give up, do you?
Apparently, you think you know more than the millions of people buying the iPad Mini and all the people at Apple. Did it ever occur to you that you might just be wrong - especially after so many people have proven you to be wrong?
Weight… and price. I don't agree with weight personally, but I understand the argument behind it and see it as valid. Price I somewhat agree with, therefore I see that argument as valid.
The iPad will eventually weigh what the mini does. And the "previous model" iPad could have cost LESS than the iPad mini right now. All they needed to do is drop the iPad 2 to $299. They'll still be making a profit on every single one.
But usability is damaged the smaller it goes.
And larger as well. I just don't see how a phone larger than 4" is user-friendly. It certainly isn't pocket-friendly (maybe just my opinion).
Apparently, you think you know more than the millions of people buying the iPad Mini and all the people at Apple. Did it ever occur to you that you might just be wrong - especially after so many people have proven you to be wrong?
To be fair, both of you have a regular tendency to use the words "proof" or "prove" or "proved" for matters that are nothing of the kind.
Usability has been diminished. That's all there is to it.
So by your own logic to increase usability on the iPhone the next step should be to increase the screen size. But wait, you thought the 3.5" was perfect and should never be changed so I am confused. Then I remembered you are the final arbiter and authority on what Apple should or shouldn't make and whether it was a good or bad decision and all things became clear again. So why hasn't Apple fired Ives yet and given you his job?
Maybe an iPhone 4x/Mini with the same 3.5 inch screen but a redesigned body based on the iPhone 5's construction techniques, an improved iPhone 5s and an iPhone 5x/Massive (ha ha!) with maybe a 5 to 5.5 inch screen. More colour options seems a natural progression. This would all provide a more up to date range of iPhone's to compete better with Android. And a sleek Apple designed connected watch to complement the iPhone and iPad would be nice too! Wishful thinking aye...
If Apple wants to "stick it to the carriers," they would do a major model update every 18 months and a minor update every 6 months; this would have people upgrading their phone as early as possible. Very few people will upgrade every year for various reasons they rationalize out, but at 18 months you have a pretty good shot.
Small will be the next big. I think a iPod nano-sized phone would make sense for a lot of people, especially as Siri improves. It will be less of a cost driver and more of a form factor to attract different people.
Sadly though, it is a lot like Samsung's flagship approach.
I think they will keep with the 4" design for some time. The last thing that Apple wants to do is frustrate the developers with yet another resolution size to contend with (with the appropriately funky naming schemes to make it work in Xcode).
I think that they might do the colors. That seem plausible. The different screen sizes for the new release of iPhone is just not going to happen.
I'd agree with you except they just made a new tablet uselessly smaller than their existing tablet, so it's probably likely that we'll see a 4.2" or 3.8" iPhone.
I don't see how the ipad mini is "uselessly smaller". it's still an ipad an it's more convenient for people to travel and hold with one hand.
The iPad had room to shrink. The iphone does not. I don't think it'll get larger either. It still has to fit in someone's hand and be accessible with one hand.
And larger as well. I just don't see how a phone larger than 4" is user-friendly. It certainly isn't pocket-friendly (maybe just my opinion).
Ah, yes, but that's a different situation! Eventually a phone becomes a tablet, and eventually a tablet becomes a phone. And I believe there is a fair range of size between the two that is unusable for either purpose.
We should make a line graph. There's definitely a minimum and a maximum usable size for phones and a minimum usable size for tablets. If we split tablets into tablets (carried) and tablets (stationary), there's a maximum usable size for the former (I figure it's roughly 13.3") and a minimum usable size to the latter.
And larger as well. I just don't see how a phone larger than 4" is user-friendly. It certainly isn't pocket-friendly (maybe just my opinion).
It is user friendly because it is far easier on the eyes for me at least. My friend just got a Droid DNA by HTC which has a 5" screen but is very light and thin and easily fit in my pocket. The display is 1080P with a 1920 x 1080 resolution. It really is a gorgeous display and unlike the bulkier phones from the past easily passes the pocketability test. I have to believe that I am far from alone in wanting to stick with an iPhone and iOS but also wanting a big display.
So by your own logic to increase usability on the iPhone the next step should be to increase the screen size.
Not to weigh in on the credibility of this rumor, but applying arguments about tablet screen size and usability to phones and usability doesn't really qualify as logic if you don't account for differences in how they are used.
Brian whites Track reord on Apple predictions is one of the worst out there. Unfortunately he seems to be lacking any real source of information. But I always enjoy fiction, if only it was reality
The idea that iPhones might come in different colours is unremarkable and likely. It's just a matter of when.
The idea that Apple will begin selling the iPhone in multiple screen sizes is a ridiculous and somewhat wild guess and will likely never happen.
Apple has never made ergonomic products before and hands are all different sizes. Having larger hands, I've always had a problem with their mice for instance, but up until now Apple has never in my recollection done the "small, medium, large" thing with any of their products.
I'd agree with you except they just made a new tablet uselessly smaller than their existing tablet ...
Yeah, but you are pretty much the only person in the world that thinks the new iPad size is "useless" so ...
Also, the main reason for the iPad mini size is portability and pocket/purse-ability. Whether you agree or not, at least there are reasons. The only reason behind multiple iPhone sizes is increased ergonomics which Apple has historically not been terribly concerned with. Therefore much less reason (or no reason at all), for smaller iPhones.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb
I disagree that the iPad mini is useless. Try holding the regular iPad on a subway or the equivalent and compare it to the Mini. The difference in weight is the important factor in situations where you're not resting the iPad on anything.
Weight… and price. I don't agree with weight personally, but I understand the argument behind it and see it as valid. Price I somewhat agree with, therefore I see that argument as valid.
The iPad will eventually weigh what the mini does. And the "previous model" iPad could have cost LESS than the iPad mini right now. All they needed to do is drop the iPad 2 to $299. They'll still be making a profit on every single one.
But usability is damaged the smaller it goes.
You just don't give up, do you?
Apparently, you think you know more than the millions of people buying the iPad Mini and all the people at Apple. Did it ever occur to you that you might just be wrong - especially after so many people have proven you to be wrong?
Originally Posted by jragosta
You just don't give up, do you?
Usability has been diminished. That's all there is to it.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Weight… and price. I don't agree with weight personally, but I understand the argument behind it and see it as valid. Price I somewhat agree with, therefore I see that argument as valid.
The iPad will eventually weigh what the mini does. And the "previous model" iPad could have cost LESS than the iPad mini right now. All they needed to do is drop the iPad 2 to $299. They'll still be making a profit on every single one.
But usability is damaged the smaller it goes.
And larger as well. I just don't see how a phone larger than 4" is user-friendly. It certainly isn't pocket-friendly (maybe just my opinion).
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Originally Posted by jragosta
You just don't give up, do you?
Apparently, you think you know more than the millions of people buying the iPad Mini and all the people at Apple. Did it ever occur to you that you might just be wrong - especially after so many people have proven you to be wrong?
To be fair, both of you have a regular tendency to use the words "proof" or "prove" or "proved" for matters that are nothing of the kind.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Usability has been diminished. That's all there is to it.
So by your own logic to increase usability on the iPhone the next step should be to increase the screen size. But wait, you thought the 3.5" was perfect and should never be changed so I am confused. Then I remembered you are the final arbiter and authority on what Apple should or shouldn't make and whether it was a good or bad decision and all things became clear again. So why hasn't Apple fired Ives yet and given you his job?
I don't believe any of these rumors for a NY minute, however now that the iPhone is (finally) 16:9 doing different sizes wouldn't be all that hard.
Small will be the next big. I think a iPod nano-sized phone would make sense for a lot of people, especially as Siri improves. It will be less of a cost driver and more of a form factor to attract different people.
Sadly though, it is a lot like Samsung's flagship approach.
I think that they might do the colors. That seem plausible. The different screen sizes for the new release of iPhone is just not going to happen.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'd agree with you except they just made a new tablet uselessly smaller than their existing tablet, so it's probably likely that we'll see a 4.2" or 3.8" iPhone.
I don't see how the ipad mini is "uselessly smaller". it's still an ipad an it's more convenient for people to travel and hold with one hand.
The iPad had room to shrink. The iphone does not. I don't think it'll get larger either. It still has to fit in someone's hand and be accessible with one hand.
Originally Posted by allenbf
And larger as well. I just don't see how a phone larger than 4" is user-friendly. It certainly isn't pocket-friendly (maybe just my opinion).
Ah, yes, but that's a different situation! Eventually a phone becomes a tablet, and eventually a tablet becomes a phone. And I believe there is a fair range of size between the two that is unusable for either purpose.
We should make a line graph. There's definitely a minimum and a maximum usable size for phones and a minimum usable size for tablets. If we split tablets into tablets (carried) and tablets (stationary), there's a maximum usable size for the former (I figure it's roughly 13.3") and a minimum usable size to the latter.
Maybe this?
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Originally Posted by allenbf
And larger as well. I just don't see how a phone larger than 4" is user-friendly. It certainly isn't pocket-friendly (maybe just my opinion).
It is user friendly because it is far easier on the eyes for me at least. My friend just got a Droid DNA by HTC which has a 5" screen but is very light and thin and easily fit in my pocket. The display is 1080P with a 1920 x 1080 resolution. It really is a gorgeous display and unlike the bulkier phones from the past easily passes the pocketability test. I have to believe that I am far from alone in wanting to stick with an iPhone and iOS but also wanting a big display.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
So by your own logic to increase usability on the iPhone the next step should be to increase the screen size.
Not to weigh in on the credibility of this rumor, but applying arguments about tablet screen size and usability to phones and usability doesn't really qualify as logic if you don't account for differences in how they are used.
The idea that iPhones might come in different colours is unremarkable and likely. It's just a matter of when.
The idea that Apple will begin selling the iPhone in multiple screen sizes is a ridiculous and somewhat wild guess and will likely never happen.
Apple has never made ergonomic products before and hands are all different sizes. Having larger hands, I've always had a problem with their mice for instance, but up until now Apple has never in my recollection done the "small, medium, large" thing with any of their products.
Screen size yes, product size, no.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'd agree with you except they just made a new tablet uselessly smaller than their existing tablet ...
Yeah, but you are pretty much the only person in the world that thinks the new iPad size is "useless" so ...
Also, the main reason for the iPad mini size is portability and pocket/purse-ability. Whether you agree or not, at least there are reasons. The only reason behind multiple iPhone sizes is increased ergonomics which Apple has historically not been terribly concerned with. Therefore much less reason (or no reason at all), for smaller iPhones.
Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Also, the main reason for the iPad mini size is portability and pocket/purse-ability.
Then why isn't that marketed by them if it's the "main reason"?
It's cheaper and it's lighter. Cheaper could easily have been taken care of with a $299 iPad 2. Weight solves itself with time.
Anybody checked for disturbed dirt around Steve's grave lately?
[Yes, I know He was cremated -- you know what I mean ....]