Stupid fandroids say that all apple users are sheeps that always buy the latest model no matter what and they are ignorants (they are right, to some extent. Some iPhone users are like that).
I say the large majority of highend android phone buyers are stupid and ignorant, and I'm right. There's no logical reason to buy a galaxy s3, and it is by far the best selling android phone. They think their phones are more advanced (hardware wise) and fast/powerful and they know nothing about hardware/software combo and how that makes the iPhone much faster/powerful than any android device being used today.
Then you read the first coments of that page, and it is priceless and describes very well the majority of s3 and note users:
- I already have note 1 and 2, and i will definitely buy this one.
- Bigger screen? OMG... I don't like that, but i will still buy it (note 2 user).
That's the typical android user that buys highend android phones. Dumb, stupid, idiots, ignorants etc.
These are just the first posts.
Completely agree. Moved to the iphone5 from Android and I can testify this statement. People keep complaining Apple fanboys are sheep that will just buy anything from Apple. But we only buy from Apple and that's it, whereas they will buy ANYTHING new that promises no lag it's pathetic. I swear to god some of the guys on XDA own at least 5 phones and half of those are released in the same year.
However, rarely need to operate it with one hand....
Idk how you RARELY need to operate it w one hand because I operate it w one hand in SO MANY situations. I'm always thankful that I dumped my big ass Android phone then.
Isn't it grand to live in a bubble where you think you are always the smartest person in the room even when you are quite far from it. Many people in the past were in favor of a larger screen besides me and you and several other prolific posters here always tried to shout them down as if it was the most ludicrous concept ever conceived by man. No one care about the PPI so give it a rest already. Apple has a lot of people far smarter than you and they will figure out a way to give us a larger iPhone that makes sense.
I don't know why you choose to be so surly and enjoy being so confrontational and condescending. Do me a favor and just ignore all my posts in the future and I will do the same for you. Arguing with an abrasive and intractable know-it-all who is never wrong is tedious and unproductive. You are not short of enemies, so go bother them for a while.
1) The irony of your post attacking me when I have only addressed your comments is confrontational, condescending and, above all, ironic.
2) I'm wrong every day of my life and well aware that I don't know everything, hence my frequent desire to ask questions (which you took offense to yesterday) and to research the shit out of everything. I understand my limitations enough to know that I can't make one isolated view and reach a absolute conclusion without any evidence or support to back up my position. Can you say the same?
3) I won't ignore you. If you post something absurd I will address it. If you attack me for questioning what you deem unquestionable then I will completely tear it to shreds. I suggest that you work a little harder next time so that your arguments aren't so easy to defeat. You can hate me for thinking rationally and you can continue to be emotional. I am certainly not to give you any special favours because you're upset. Create solutions, not problems.
1) The irony of your post attacking me when I have only addressed your comments is confrontational, condescending and, above all, ironic.
2) I'm wrong every day of my life and well aware that I don't know everything, hence my frequent desire to ask questions (which you took offense to yesterday) and to research the shit out of everything. I understand my limitations enough to know that I can't make one isolated view and reach a absolute conclusion without any evidence or support to back up my position. Can you say the same?
3) I won't ignore you. If you post something absurd I will address it. If you attack me for questioning what you deem unquestionable then I will completely tear it to shreds. I suggest that you work a little harder next time so that your arguments aren't so easy to defeat. You can hate me for thinking rationally and you can continue to be emotional. I am certainly not to give you any special favours because you're upset.
Fine, I will just block you so problem solved as far as I am concerned. Whether you realize it or not you do come across as extremely abrasive. You seem unable to allow people to simply have opinions or preferences that differ from yours without bashing or challenging them. Do all the math formulas you like and the people that want a larger screen will want one tomorrow. Different people have different needs and PREFERENCES. Learn to be more tolerant and less condescending and you wouldn't get into so many online and I expect real life conflicts with others. I never once thought that people that are happy with a 3.5" or 4" iPhone were stupid or wrong for having that preference. I never once suggested that Apple should stop making the smaller sized phones. But you have respond as if people have just insulted your entire family if anyone doesn't see the world your way. Learn to calm down and relax or you will have a MI one day discussing DPI. Now that would be ironic, death by an "I"
Isn't it grand to live in a bubble where you think you are always the smartest person in the room even when you are quite far from it. I wasn't even referring to my post, in fact in 5 years on this forum I have only posted as many times as you tend to do in a week or so. Many people in the past were in favor of a larger screen besides me and you and several other prolific posters here always tried to shout them down as if it was the most ludicrous concept ever conceived by man. No one cares about the PPI so give it a rest already. Apple has a lot of people far smarter than you and they will figure out a way to give us a larger iPhone that makes sense.
I don't know why you choose to be so surly and enjoy being so confrontational and condescending. Do me a favor and just ignore all my posts in the future and I will do the same for you. Arguing with an abrasive and intractable know-it-all who is never wrong is tedious and unproductive. You are not short of enemies, so go bother them for a while while you strive to impart your unique wisdom 160 times a week on this forum.
You gotta remember Soli thinks he's the only person in the room. Lol
Fine, I will just block you so problem solved as far as I am concerned. Whether you realize it or not you do come across as extremely abrasive. You seem unable to allow people to simply have opinions or preferences that differ from yours without bashing or challenging them. Do all the math formulas you like and the people that want a larger screen will want one tomorrow. Different people have different needs and PREFERENCES. Learn to be more tolerant and less condescending and you wouldn't get into so many online and I expect real life conflicts with others. I never once thought that people that are happy with a 3.5" or 4" iPhone were stupid or wrong for having that preference. I never once suggested that Apple should stop making the smaller sized phones. But you have respond as if people have just insulted your entire family if anyone doesn't see the world your way. Learn to calm down and relax or you will have a MI one day discussing DPI. Now that would be ironic, death by an "I"
All the way to end being dishonest and irrational. Shameful.
As soon as I click submit you will be blocked, so reply or not as you like. I won't see it. Have a good life and chill out a bit more
So do you think the money magically disappear because of the network subsides? It just a round about way coming out from your own pocket.
Nope, there's more than evidence, on this website and everywhere else, that people only look at the price they have to pay upfront. We are talking about people's psyche here, not money. The carrier subsides effectively hide the actual cost of the phone, thus refuting your argument about people not caring about the price increase.
Case in point, some time ago I complained about the price of an iPhone 3GS and was immediately greeted with "What? Isn't $0 cheap enough?".
And Apple has never gone back on what it says? Remember when the 9.7" iPad was the perfect size and anything smaller would require filing our fingers down?
There's a bit of a difference between an off-the-cuff remark and actually making marketing videos showing that they designed the phone around the thumb navigation. They'd have to suggest that the bigger one doesn't work with the same setup or use someone with a bigger hand.
Plus I really don't see most Android users complaining about their 4.3-4.8" screens even if they are using more than one hand. They could have bought an iPhone right? But they didn't.
That works in reverse too though - most iPhone users aren't complaining about their purchases and they could have bought a Galaxy S3 but they didn't.
Here's what the iPhone 5 looks like with the screen scaled up to the size of the S3 - some of the components wouldn't scale up so it would be a bit shorter:
I don't think the big one offers enough to justify having two models and they think the way they are doing it is common sense:
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it wouldn't be very logical to do something that isn't common sense. There are hand tests with the S3 here - the small hands have to move the whole phone just to get to some parts of the screen. They can all use it ok but it's clumsy:
it wouldn't be very logical to do something that isn't common sense. There are hand tests with the S3 here - the small hands have to move the whole phone just to get to some parts of the screen. They can all use it ok but it's clumsy:
video:
Am I reading the results properly? The larger the hand the longer it took to complete? If so, then I would like to see how various hand sizes work with various sized phones from Android. It's not in any way conclusive as there are too many unknowns but I can't help but question now if a larger device many actually be more efficient for a smaller hand based on these results.
Idk how you RARELY need to operate it w one hand because I operate it w one hand in SO MANY situations. I'm always thankful that I dumped my big ass Android phone then.
Not sure what your mean....???
I answer the phone with one hand often... ( including entering my PIN code)
I send a quick text with one hand often...
I read my emails with one hand often...
However when web surfing, watching videos, replying to emails ect... I typically use two hands because it is so much easier, however I did the same thing with my old 3.5" droid phone so I am not sure it is due to screen size, but more common sense....
I guess I just don't see the need to operate with one hand all that often... What are you doing while using your phone that renders the other hand unusable so often?
I also do not see why people think using a 4.5+" display with one hand is that much harder than using a 4" display with one hand especially if you have larger hands to start with. My thumb can easly reach the entire screen on my 4.6 " Nexus.... I can even pinch and zoom with my thumb and index finger on the etire screen area while cradeling the phone with ghe other three fingers. So what exactly Is the problem?
No one cares about the PPI so give it a rest already.
You don't understand the argument. That's readily apparent.
Originally Posted by gwmac
Different people have different needs and PREFERENCES.
The idea would be to go buy something else from some other company, then. If you're then a semi-objective "right" or part of a group of meaningful size, Apple will eventually cater to you.
Originally Posted by hentaiboy
Which shows how crap the IP5 form factor is
I'll bite (again). How? Because of the "huge bezel" and "stupid waste of space" of the components that actually have to be there?
Apple can and has changed the display size, aspect ratio, dot pitch, and resolution for CocoaTouch devices There are now 6 resolutions and 3 aspect ratios after 6 years on the market and each time it was done it was done systematically and carefully. The iPhone 5 has a new system UI to match that resolution. They did not simply stretch the UI so that 940 pixels works over 1136. This was planned and deliberate.
What's wrong with going back to the original 1.5:1 aspect ratio of the iPhone 4S?
Quadruple that resolution to 1920x1280 on a 5" screen. That's not impossible today. Sony just announced a 5" 1920x1080 Android phone and more are to follow this year.
1920x1080 @ 5" = 440 PPI
1920x1280 @ 5" = 461 PPI
Appe already quadrupled the resolution from the iPhone 3GS to the iPhone 4. Why can't they do that again going to a 5" screen? The math works out, the ratios stay the same, which means the apps don't need to change unless they want to take advantage of the higher resolution. Otherwise they just get blown up the way they did for the iPhone 4 originally.
Out of curiosity, what can you do with the iPad that you cannot do with the Mini????
P.S, I am 48 and have bad eye sight. I can see the Mini Just fine....
I guess this kind of drives my point home.... Different people refer different sized devices.... I honestly think a larger iPhone would lead to more iPhone sales. In fact I suspect that a 4.5-5" iPhone would actually out sell the 3.5" - 4" version....
If Apple releases one, we will see.....
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Originally Posted by BUSHMAN4
I think that more important than a 'larger Iphone' is the customers desire for choice. While some prefer a smaller Iphone for their needs and convenience, others want a larger Iphone for a better gaming device. Bottom Line............Let the customer choose. It's time for Apple to realize that a strategy of 1 iphone a year is not enough.
Customers would probably be willing to pay more for a high end iphone. In reading alot of these posts about wanting a larger Iphone, nobody complained about the ecosysytem, price or anything other than size.
Apple has to give the customer choice in their type iphone, not only choice of color.
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.
I can't believe people are still arguing about size. :P
All the riots about iPad Mini blah, blah. It happened.
I think you just look at the iPod market (Yes, 'iPod' market) and see how Apple cornered the market and sucked the oxygen out the room.
I think they're going to have to do the same here.
iPods. iPads. Macs come in a variety of sizes.
I think the minimum for the iPhone range is two sizes. Three to four would be ideal.
Current 4 inch. Turned into 'Nano' with even slimmer design. Becomes iPhone 5s.
Maxi. 5 inch. With 'hi def' screen. You've got it pretty much covered there. iPhone 6 +/Maxi/Magnum blah.
Cheap (er) plastic model of current '5' in a variety of colours. Go after the iPod teen market... Phones for kids/teens is becoming/has become a massive market. I can't see why it's taken Apple this long to replicate their iPod template.
They've screwed the pooch on iPhone profit. If they want the market share they had with iPod...they're going to have to offer different products for different people and budgets. They did it with supreme power with the iPod from classic to Shuffle. Different prices, different products but all Apple quality. Whatever Apple makes will be quality. But there is a market for a cheaper pay phone and a market for larger phones. I don't see why Apple can't be there.
Add a phone chip to the iPod design and you have a great phone for children to teens to young adults. It's a great design. Better even than the iPhone. And it's already in colours...
They can even go for a blue tooth or iPhone 'shuffle' siri controlled product for less than a hundred.
It's up to Apple. And while they may take a dip on overall margins...they'd make it back indirectly in marketshare and app store sales etc.
If they want to really turn their guns on Samsung...it's up to them.
I think they can wipe the floor with them.
Lemon Bon Bon.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
The trouble with that is, it doesn't end. If Apple did make a 4.5" device, some people would still say it's not big enough and it needs to be 5". People do come in all shapes and sizes but toilet bowls tend to be roughly the same size. It's inconvenient for some but it's not practical to make different sizes for everyone and people deal with it. If the volume of customers who prefer a larger phone (not people who just buy a larger phone because it happens to be the newest model) is significant, it makes sense. If Apple has sold a significant amount of iPhone 5s this quarter then they don't have to worry.
As great as this device is, if it's not comfortable to use in one hand for the majority of users, then it is not a phone, it's a tablet with phone functionality.
For me personally, i'll be sticking with the SG2 until they start making reasonably sized smart phones again.
I've just upgraded to the extended battery for the SG2 which is only 100mAh less than the SG3 battery but lasts longer due to the smaller screen size.
And despite having 2 less cores, the SG2 is still fast enough for all my daily smart phone needs (it never stopped being fast enough).
I hope Samsung release another 4'3 inch model next year as anything over this screen size is too big for me."
"Stupid size for a phone
We don't need phones that are this big, it's just getting ridiculous. I guarantee that the instructions tell you to take this out of your pocket when you sit down... why should having your phone in your pocket be a risk? How long before these things come with a free backpack, to carry them in?"
I find the 4.5" to 5" to be ideal for me.... Several people bought new phones at my work place recently.. All but one got an android phone. I asked why. All of them said that they perfered the larger screen on the Android phones. I honestly think Apple is losing phone sales over this....
However, I agree that you can make them too big. For example, after owning the mini iPad for a while, I now think the original iPad is too big. Of course, before I got the mini, I thought it was just fine...
My original Droid (the need to use Verizon is why I started with Android in the first place) has a 3.5" screen and I though it was fine. However, after using the galaxy for a few weeks, I found the smaller screen on the old Droid to be too small (the wife still uses it and does not want to upgrade however...)
I guess my point is that you really do not know what you will prefer until you live with it for a while......
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Originally Posted by hentaiboy
Which shows how crap the IP5 form factor is
What I find hilarious is that 1 year ago, when all we had was the iPhone 4S, numerous Apple fan sites conducted polls on how large should Apple make the iPhone screen and there was a WIDE consensus at the time that 4 inches was perfect. A lot of people would have been content with 3.7 inches at the time.
Well Apple gave us an iPhone with a 4 inch screen and what do we do? Complain and say it's not big enough!
Now today you people are saying 4 inches is too small and 5 inches is just right when a year ago NO ONE WAS SAYING THAT. And now you think Apple is "behind the times" when no one was even asking them for a larger than 4 inch screen until now.
What's funny is some people here demand Apple to essentially copy Samsung with larger screens, then are the same people to accuse Apple of copying Samsung, when THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED THEM TO DO.
An iPhone with a 4.8 inch screen would essentially look exactly the same as the Galaxy S3 from the front. Square off the corners slightly and make the home button round and you pretty much have a 4.8 inch iPhone. Exact same height width and everything.
What's wrong with going back to the original 1.5:1 aspect ratio of the iPhone 4S?
Quadruple that resolution to 1920x1280 on a 5" screen. That's not impossible today. Sony just announced a 5" 1920x1080 Android phone and more are to follow this year.
1920x1080 @ 5" = 440 PPI
1920x1280 @ 5" = 461 PPI
Appe already quadrupled the resolution from the iPhone 3GS to the iPhone 4. Why can't they do that again going to a 5" screen? The math works out, the ratios stay the same, which means the apps don't need to change unless they want to take advantage of the higher resolution. Otherwise they just get blown up the way they did for the iPhone 4 originally.
First of all, it's doubling the resolution, but quadrupling the total number of pixels. Remember that resolution refers to an x and y axes thus making it a measure along two planes. The are of a rectangle is x * y.
Secondly, they could very well double up, do some odd increase, or change up the aspect ratio but so far they have been very calculated with their growth. I don't have an opinion as to whether 3:2 or 16:9 or some other aspect ratio would be better for a ?5" display but I would expect Apple to make the UI and SDK changes as simple as possible.
Are they going to be winding down all 3:2 iPhones over the next few years or will they want to decommission that aspect ratio and the resolution doubling you mention into a larger device? I don't know but I think you are looking in the right direction.
I would question whether they would double the resolution again when they are already at Retina Display quality. What is to gain besides besting Sony for a generation before some other vendor comes out with some low-yield that wins that checkmark on a spec sheet but fails in more important areas? Does the display look better? What about performance? What about battery life? The more pixels the more GPU power required and the more Watts needs to deal with the current power draw for a given performance.
We do have some GPU advances coming this year that make it feasible but there is still the question of the need. If they go with 4.904" they can use the same panels the iPad (4) uses for 264 PPI displays. Would that still be Retina for someone with 20/20 vision holding the device a normal distance from the face? I think that might be on the edge and need actual prototypes to decide if it's good enough. They certainly felt the iPad mini was good enough without waiting a couple years to make a 326 PPI 2048x1536 display.
If it's not good enough and they would consider an entirely new dot pitch then what about a smaller device that is still within a feasible Retina threshold? Would the display still be large enough for them to consider the addition to the iPhone family?
What I find hilarious is that 1 year ago, when all we had was the iPhone 4S, numerous Apple fan sites conducted polls on how large should Apple make the iPhone screen and there was a WIDE consensus at the time that 4 inches was perfect. A lot of people would have been content with 3.7 inches at the time.
Well Apple gave us an iPhone with a 4 inch screen and what do we do? Complain and say it's not big enough!
Now today you people are saying 4 inches is too small and 5 inches is just right when a year ago NO ONE WAS SAYING THAT. And now you think Apple is "behind the times" when no one was even asking them for a larger than 4 inch screen until now.
What's funny is some people here demand Apple to essentially copy Samsung with larger screens, then are the same people to accuse Apple of copying Samsung, when THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED THEM TO DO.
It is pretty ridiculous. The original iPhone was too big but now the 4" iPhone is too small. Some of it can be put on the Apple haters for wanting whatever Apple isn't doing but some of it is a rapid change in culture due to technology. For example, a year ago the iPad went Retina with a phenomenally high resolution that most don't have on their PC displays today. No one had ever done that in such a small consumer device with a 10 hours battery life, yet 6 months later so many were crying foul on Apple for being "cheap" for not putting that same resolution display in much smaller space, lower cost and the same battery life. It was a ridiculous expectation but it was common.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
Do you know what i love about that link?
Stupid fandroids say that all apple users are sheeps that always buy the latest model no matter what and they are ignorants (they are right, to some extent. Some iPhone users are like that).
I say the large majority of highend android phone buyers are stupid and ignorant, and I'm right. There's no logical reason to buy a galaxy s3, and it is by far the best selling android phone. They think their phones are more advanced (hardware wise) and fast/powerful and they know nothing about hardware/software combo and how that makes the iPhone much faster/powerful than any android device being used today.
Then you read the first coments of that page, and it is priceless and describes very well the majority of s3 and note users:
- I already have note 1 and 2, and i will definitely buy this one.
- Bigger screen? OMG... I don't like that, but i will still buy it (note 2 user).
That's the typical android user that buys highend android phones. Dumb, stupid, idiots, ignorants etc.
These are just the first posts.
Completely agree. Moved to the iphone5 from Android and I can testify this statement. People keep complaining Apple fanboys are sheep that will just buy anything from Apple. But we only buy from Apple and that's it, whereas they will buy ANYTHING new that promises no lag it's pathetic. I swear to god some of the guys on XDA own at least 5 phones and half of those are released in the same year.
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Originally Posted by sranger
Yes, I have a big paw.....
However, rarely need to operate it with one hand....
Idk how you RARELY need to operate it w one hand because I operate it w one hand in SO MANY situations. I'm always thankful that I dumped my big ass Android phone then.
Originally Posted by gwmac
Isn't it grand to live in a bubble where you think you are always the smartest person in the room even when you are quite far from it. Many people in the past were in favor of a larger screen besides me and you and several other prolific posters here always tried to shout them down as if it was the most ludicrous concept ever conceived by man. No one care about the PPI so give it a rest already. Apple has a lot of people far smarter than you and they will figure out a way to give us a larger iPhone that makes sense.
I don't know why you choose to be so surly and enjoy being so confrontational and condescending. Do me a favor and just ignore all my posts in the future and I will do the same for you. Arguing with an abrasive and intractable know-it-all who is never wrong is tedious and unproductive. You are not short of enemies, so go bother them for a while.
1) The irony of your post attacking me when I have only addressed your comments is confrontational, condescending and, above all, ironic.
2) I'm wrong every day of my life and well aware that I don't know everything, hence my frequent desire to ask questions (which you took offense to yesterday) and to research the shit out of everything. I understand my limitations enough to know that I can't make one isolated view and reach a absolute conclusion without any evidence or support to back up my position. Can you say the same?
3) I won't ignore you. If you post something absurd I will address it. If you attack me for questioning what you deem unquestionable then I will completely tear it to shreds. I suggest that you work a little harder next time so that your arguments aren't so easy to defeat. You can hate me for thinking rationally and you can continue to be emotional. I am certainly not to give you any special favours because you're upset. Create solutions, not problems.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
1) The irony of your post attacking me when I have only addressed your comments is confrontational, condescending and, above all, ironic.
2) I'm wrong every day of my life and well aware that I don't know everything, hence my frequent desire to ask questions (which you took offense to yesterday) and to research the shit out of everything. I understand my limitations enough to know that I can't make one isolated view and reach a absolute conclusion without any evidence or support to back up my position. Can you say the same?
3) I won't ignore you. If you post something absurd I will address it. If you attack me for questioning what you deem unquestionable then I will completely tear it to shreds. I suggest that you work a little harder next time so that your arguments aren't so easy to defeat. You can hate me for thinking rationally and you can continue to be emotional. I am certainly not to give you any special favours because you're upset.
Fine, I will just block you so problem solved as far as I am concerned. Whether you realize it or not you do come across as extremely abrasive. You seem unable to allow people to simply have opinions or preferences that differ from yours without bashing or challenging them. Do all the math formulas you like and the people that want a larger screen will want one tomorrow. Different people have different needs and PREFERENCES. Learn to be more tolerant and less condescending and you wouldn't get into so many online and I expect real life conflicts with others. I never once thought that people that are happy with a 3.5" or 4" iPhone were stupid or wrong for having that preference. I never once suggested that Apple should stop making the smaller sized phones. But you have respond as if people have just insulted your entire family if anyone doesn't see the world your way. Learn to calm down and relax or you will have a MI one day discussing DPI. Now that would be ironic, death by an "I"
You gotta remember Soli thinks he's the only person in the room. Lol
All the way to end being dishonest and irrational. Shameful.
I'm sure you did¡
I"m not sure he's going to get that.
Then he shouldn't go around attacking the intelligence of another poster.
Nope, there's more than evidence, on this website and everywhere else, that people only look at the price they have to pay upfront. We are talking about people's psyche here, not money. The carrier subsides effectively hide the actual cost of the phone, thus refuting your argument about people not caring about the price increase.
Case in point, some time ago I complained about the price of an iPhone 3GS and was immediately greeted with "What? Isn't $0 cheap enough?".
There's a bit of a difference between an off-the-cuff remark and actually making marketing videos showing that they designed the phone around the thumb navigation. They'd have to suggest that the bigger one doesn't work with the same setup or use someone with a bigger hand.
That works in reverse too though - most iPhone users aren't complaining about their purchases and they could have bought a Galaxy S3 but they didn't.
Here's what the iPhone 5 looks like with the screen scaled up to the size of the S3 - some of the components wouldn't scale up so it would be a bit shorter:
I don't think the big one offers enough to justify having two models and they think the way they are doing it is common sense:
[VIDEO]
it wouldn't be very logical to do something that isn't common sense. There are hand tests with the S3 here - the small hands have to move the whole phone just to get to some parts of the screen. They can all use it ok but it's clumsy:
[VIDEO]
Am I reading the results properly? The larger the hand the longer it took to complete? If so, then I would like to see how various hand sizes work with various sized phones from Android. It's not in any way conclusive as there are too many unknowns but I can't help but question now if a larger device many actually be more efficient for a smaller hand based on these results.
Not sure what your mean....???
I answer the phone with one hand often... ( including entering my PIN code)
I send a quick text with one hand often...
I read my emails with one hand often...
However when web surfing, watching videos, replying to emails ect... I typically use two hands because it is so much easier, however I did the same thing with my old 3.5" droid phone so I am not sure it is due to screen size, but more common sense....
I guess I just don't see the need to operate with one hand all that often... What are you doing while using your phone that renders the other hand unusable so often?
I also do not see why people think using a 4.5+" display with one hand is that much harder than using a 4" display with one hand especially if you have larger hands to start with. My thumb can easly reach the entire screen on my 4.6 " Nexus.... I can even pinch and zoom with my thumb and index finger on the etire screen area while cradeling the phone with ghe other three fingers. So what exactly Is the problem?
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Originally Posted by Marvin
Here's what the iPhone 5 looks like with the screen scaled up to the size of the S3
Which shows how crap the IP5 form factor is
Originally Posted by gwmac
No one cares about the PPI so give it a rest already.
You don't understand the argument. That's readily apparent.
Originally Posted by gwmac
Different people have different needs and PREFERENCES.
The idea would be to go buy something else from some other company, then. If you're then a semi-objective "right" or part of a group of meaningful size, Apple will eventually cater to you.
Originally Posted by hentaiboy
Which shows how crap the IP5 form factor is
I'll bite (again). How? Because of the "huge bezel" and "stupid waste of space" of the components that actually have to be there?
You want the bezel to scale with the screen.
I'm not following your comment either. Are you saying the iPhone 5 as-is is crap or it would be crap to expand every up as shown in the image?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Apple can and has changed the display size, aspect ratio, dot pitch, and resolution for CocoaTouch devices There are now 6 resolutions and 3 aspect ratios after 6 years on the market and each time it was done it was done systematically and carefully. The iPhone 5 has a new system UI to match that resolution. They did not simply stretch the UI so that 940 pixels works over 1136. This was planned and deliberate.
What's wrong with going back to the original 1.5:1 aspect ratio of the iPhone 4S?
Quadruple that resolution to 1920x1280 on a 5" screen. That's not impossible today. Sony just announced a 5" 1920x1080 Android phone and more are to follow this year.
1920x1080 @ 5" = 440 PPI
1920x1280 @ 5" = 461 PPI
Appe already quadrupled the resolution from the iPhone 3GS to the iPhone 4. Why can't they do that again going to a 5" screen? The math works out, the ratios stay the same, which means the apps don't need to change unless they want to take advantage of the higher resolution. Otherwise they just get blown up the way they did for the iPhone 4 originally.
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Originally Posted by sranger
Out of curiosity, what can you do with the iPad that you cannot do with the Mini????
P.S, I am 48 and have bad eye sight. I can see the Mini Just fine....
I guess this kind of drives my point home.... Different people refer different sized devices.... I honestly think a larger iPhone would lead to more iPhone sales. In fact I suspect that a 4.5-5" iPhone would actually out sell the 3.5" - 4" version....
If Apple releases one, we will see.....
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Originally Posted by BUSHMAN4
I think that more important than a 'larger Iphone' is the customers desire for choice. While some prefer a smaller Iphone for their needs and convenience, others want a larger Iphone for a better gaming device. Bottom Line............Let the customer choose. It's time for Apple to realize that a strategy of 1 iphone a year is not enough.
Customers would probably be willing to pay more for a high end iphone. In reading alot of these posts about wanting a larger Iphone, nobody complained about the ecosysytem, price or anything other than size.
Apple has to give the customer choice in their type iphone, not only choice of color.
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.
I can't believe people are still arguing about size. :P
All the riots about iPad Mini blah, blah. It happened.
I think you just look at the iPod market (Yes, 'iPod' market) and see how Apple cornered the market and sucked the oxygen out the room.
I think they're going to have to do the same here.
iPods. iPads. Macs come in a variety of sizes.
I think the minimum for the iPhone range is two sizes. Three to four would be ideal.
Current 4 inch. Turned into 'Nano' with even slimmer design. Becomes iPhone 5s.
Maxi. 5 inch. With 'hi def' screen. You've got it pretty much covered there. iPhone 6 +/Maxi/Magnum blah.
Cheap (er) plastic model of current '5' in a variety of colours. Go after the iPod teen market... Phones for kids/teens is becoming/has become a massive market. I can't see why it's taken Apple this long to replicate their iPod template.
They've screwed the pooch on iPhone profit. If they want the market share they had with iPod...they're going to have to offer different products for different people and budgets. They did it with supreme power with the iPod from classic to Shuffle. Different prices, different products but all Apple quality. Whatever Apple makes will be quality. But there is a market for a cheaper pay phone and a market for larger phones. I don't see why Apple can't be there.
Add a phone chip to the iPod design and you have a great phone for children to teens to young adults. It's a great design. Better even than the iPhone. And it's already in colours...
They can even go for a blue tooth or iPhone 'shuffle' siri controlled product for less than a hundred.
It's up to Apple. And while they may take a dip on overall margins...they'd make it back indirectly in marketshare and app store sales etc.
If they want to really turn their guns on Samsung...it's up to them.
I think they can wipe the floor with them.
Lemon Bon Bon.
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Originally Posted by sranger
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Originally Posted by Marvin
The trouble with that is, it doesn't end. If Apple did make a 4.5" device, some people would still say it's not big enough and it needs to be 5". People do come in all shapes and sizes but toilet bowls tend to be roughly the same size. It's inconvenient for some but it's not practical to make different sizes for everyone and people deal with it. If the volume of customers who prefer a larger phone (not people who just buy a larger phone because it happens to be the newest model) is significant, it makes sense. If Apple has sold a significant amount of iPhone 5s this quarter then they don't have to worry.
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smartphones/1292644/samsung-galaxy-s3
"Too big to be a 'phone'
As great as this device is, if it's not comfortable to use in one hand for the majority of users, then it is not a phone, it's a tablet with phone functionality.
For me personally, i'll be sticking with the SG2 until they start making reasonably sized smart phones again.
I've just upgraded to the extended battery for the SG2 which is only 100mAh less than the SG3 battery but lasts longer due to the smaller screen size.
And despite having 2 less cores, the SG2 is still fast enough for all my daily smart phone needs (it never stopped being fast enough).
I hope Samsung release another 4'3 inch model next year as anything over this screen size is too big for me."
"Stupid size for a phone
We don't need phones that are this big, it's just getting ridiculous. I guarantee that the instructions tell you to take this out of your pocket when you sit down... why should having your phone in your pocket be a risk? How long before these things come with a free backpack, to carry them in?"
I find the 4.5" to 5" to be ideal for me.... Several people bought new phones at my work place recently.. All but one got an android phone. I asked why. All of them said that they perfered the larger screen on the Android phones. I honestly think Apple is losing phone sales over this....
However, I agree that you can make them too big. For example, after owning the mini iPad for a while, I now think the original iPad is too big. Of course, before I got the mini, I thought it was just fine...
My original Droid (the need to use Verizon is why I started with Android in the first place) has a 3.5" screen and I though it was fine. However, after using the galaxy for a few weeks, I found the smaller screen on the old Droid to be too small (the wife still uses it and does not want to upgrade however...)
I guess my point is that you really do not know what you will prefer until you live with it for a while......
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Originally Posted by hentaiboy
Which shows how crap the IP5 form factor is
What I find hilarious is that 1 year ago, when all we had was the iPhone 4S, numerous Apple fan sites conducted polls on how large should Apple make the iPhone screen and there was a WIDE consensus at the time that 4 inches was perfect. A lot of people would have been content with 3.7 inches at the time.
Well Apple gave us an iPhone with a 4 inch screen and what do we do? Complain and say it's not big enough!
Now today you people are saying 4 inches is too small and 5 inches is just right when a year ago NO ONE WAS SAYING THAT. And now you think Apple is "behind the times" when no one was even asking them for a larger than 4 inch screen until now.
What's funny is some people here demand Apple to essentially copy Samsung with larger screens, then are the same people to accuse Apple of copying Samsung, when THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED THEM TO DO.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
An iPhone with a 4.8 inch screen would essentially look exactly the same as the Galaxy S3 from the front. Square off the corners slightly and make the home button round and you pretty much have a 4.8 inch iPhone. Exact same height width and everything.
First of all, it's doubling the resolution, but quadrupling the total number of pixels. Remember that resolution refers to an x and y axes thus making it a measure along two planes. The are of a rectangle is x * y.
Secondly, they could very well double up, do some odd increase, or change up the aspect ratio but so far they have been very calculated with their growth. I don't have an opinion as to whether 3:2 or 16:9 or some other aspect ratio would be better for a ?5" display but I would expect Apple to make the UI and SDK changes as simple as possible.
Are they going to be winding down all 3:2 iPhones over the next few years or will they want to decommission that aspect ratio and the resolution doubling you mention into a larger device? I don't know but I think you are looking in the right direction.
I would question whether they would double the resolution again when they are already at Retina Display quality. What is to gain besides besting Sony for a generation before some other vendor comes out with some low-yield that wins that checkmark on a spec sheet but fails in more important areas? Does the display look better? What about performance? What about battery life? The more pixels the more GPU power required and the more Watts needs to deal with the current power draw for a given performance.
We do have some GPU advances coming this year that make it feasible but there is still the question of the need. If they go with 4.904" they can use the same panels the iPad (4) uses for 264 PPI displays. Would that still be Retina for someone with 20/20 vision holding the device a normal distance from the face? I think that might be on the edge and need actual prototypes to decide if it's good enough. They certainly felt the iPad mini was good enough without waiting a couple years to make a 326 PPI 2048x1536 display.
If it's not good enough and they would consider an entirely new dot pitch then what about a smaller device that is still within a feasible Retina threshold? Would the display still be large enough for them to consider the addition to the iPhone family?
It is pretty ridiculous. The original iPhone was too big but now the 4" iPhone is too small. Some of it can be put on the Apple haters for wanting whatever Apple isn't doing but some of it is a rapid change in culture due to technology. For example, a year ago the iPad went Retina with a phenomenally high resolution that most don't have on their PC displays today. No one had ever done that in such a small consumer device with a 10 hours battery life, yet 6 months later so many were crying foul on Apple for being "cheap" for not putting that same resolution display in much smaller space, lower cost and the same battery life. It was a ridiculous expectation but it was common.