You don't operate a Macbok screen with your thumb though. Why would they go to all the bother of describing that they designed the iPhone around your hand to then just say to hell with it, let's make it wider?
And Apple has never gone back on what it says? Remember when the 9.7" iPad was the perfect size and anything smaller would require filing our fingers down?
Plus I really don't see most Android users complaining about their 4.3-4.8" screens even if they are using more than one hand. They could have bought an iPhone right? But they didn't.
I can't believe people are still arguing about size. :P
All the riots about iPad Mini blah, blah. It happened.
I think you just look at the iPod market (Yes, 'iPod' market) and see how Apple cornered the market and sucked the oxygen out the room.
I think they're going to have to do the same here.
iPods. iPads. Macs come in a variety of sizes.
I think the minimum for the iPhone range is two sizes. Three to four would be ideal.
Current 4 inch. Turned into 'Nano' with even slimmer design. Becomes iPhone 5s.
Maxi. 5 inch. With 'hi def' screen. You've got it pretty much covered there. iPhone 6 +/Maxi/Magnum blah.
Cheap (er) plastic model of current '5' in a variety of colours. Go after the iPod teen market... Phones for kids/teens is becoming/has become a massive market. I can't see why it's taken Apple this long to replicate their iPod template.
They've screwed the pooch on iPhone profit. If they want the market share they had with iPod...they're going to have to offer different products for different people and budgets. They did it with supreme power with the iPod from classic to Shuffle. Different prices, different products but all Apple quality. Whatever Apple makes will be quality. But there is a market for a cheaper pay phone and a market for larger phones. I don't see why Apple can't be there.
Add a phone chip to the iPod design and you have a great phone for children to teens to young adults. It's a great design. Better even than the iPhone. And it's already in colours...
They can even go for a blue tooth or iPhone 'shuffle' siri controlled product for less than a hundred.
It's up to Apple. And while they may take a dip on overall margins...they'd make it back indirectly in marketshare and app store sales etc.
If they want to really turn their guns on Samsung...it's up to them.
The trouble with that is, it doesn't end. If Apple did make a 4.5" device, some people would still say it's not big enough and it needs to be 5". People do come in all shapes and sizes but toilet bowls tend to be roughly the same size. It's inconvenient for some but it's not practical to make different sizes for everyone and people deal with it. If the volume of customers who prefer a larger phone (not people who just buy a larger phone because it happens to be the newest model) is significant, it makes sense. If Apple has sold a significant amount of iPhone 5s this quarter then they don't have to worry.
"Too big to be a 'phone' As great as this device is, if it's not comfortable to use in one hand for the majority of users, then it is not a phone, it's a tablet with phone functionality.
For me personally, i'll be sticking with the SG2 until they start making reasonably sized smart phones again.
I've just upgraded to the extended battery for the SG2 which is only 100mAh less than the SG3 battery but lasts longer due to the smaller screen size.
And despite having 2 less cores, the SG2 is still fast enough for all my daily smart phone needs (it never stopped being fast enough).
I hope Samsung release another 4'3 inch model next year as anything over this screen size is too big for me."
"Stupid size for a phone We don't need phones that are this big, it's just getting ridiculous. I guarantee that the instructions tell you to take this out of your pocket when you sit down... why should having your phone in your pocket be a risk? How long before these things come with a free backpack, to carry them in?"
I find the 4.5" to 5" to be ideal for me.... Several people bought new phones at my work place recently.. All but one got an android phone. I asked why. All of them said that they perfered the larger screen on the Android phones. I honestly think Apple is losing phone sales over this....
However, I agree that you can make them too big. For example, after owning the mini iPad for a while, I now think the original iPad is too big. Of course, before I got the mini, I thought it was just fine...
My original Droid (the need to use Verizon is why I started with Android in the first place) has a 3.5" screen and I though it was fine. However, after using the galaxy for a few weeks, I found the smaller screen on the old Droid to be too small (the wife still uses it and does not want to upgrade however...)
I guess my point is that you really do not know what you will prefer until you live with it for a while......
Nobody with a straight face can argue against a 5 inch iPhone when Apple expects you to get one hand around an 8 inch iPad mini.
Apple are sitting on 125 - 150 Billion.
it's up to them to innovate.
They did a great job last year.
But their biggest problem is that they sat on the '4' design for a year with the 's'.
Samsung captured some imagination share with the Apple derived S3 design. Aped and bigger. But with the crap Android...(and I swear to god if anyone tells me how good Android is... I've played with the S3 and Android in a store. It's crap. It's plastic. It's hard to use. It's mediocre. It's creaky... The icons are bitty and shoddy.)
The iPad mini is gorgeous. Shrink it to 5 inches and you have your iPhone 6 max.
A tear drop or svelte version of the iPad mini/iPod design at 5+ will destroy...
The problem is that people are now using smart phones for more than phone calls.
All that other 'smart' stuff you DO need a slightly bigger screen on. 5-ish for a 'smart' phone is the sweet spot maybe.
I have the iPhone 5. It's great for one hand use. But when you start doing Internet stuff...it's just a touch 'too' small.
When iPhone launched...they were were the 'big' screen boys. No mech' keyboard. It's ironic they've been over taken in that respect in light of the fact that Steve jobs mocked their screen size.
Apple have the best phone and tablets. No question. Jewels both. Best design. Best OS. Best synergy and eco system.
But they need to press their reputation for high fashion. The did it with the iMacs. They did it with the iPods.
They can replicate that here. They showed they mean business in the tablet game.
One size doesn't fit all in the pHone wars I don't think. Just like it didn't in the mp3 player or computer market.
Another point or the same point. I'm now using my iPhone as a computer more than I do as a phone. Because it's 'smart'. When the iphone was released perhaps people used it more for phone 1st...and then the odd bit of smart. If I'm any example...that's changed. That's the irony of the potential users they've lost to S3 and Samesung. Apple really should have got here before Samesung.
There qrowth hasn't peaked though. Perhaps they've timed it just about right to release a bigger 'phone' (...'smart' phone.)
And Apple has never gone back on what it says? Remember when the 9.7" iPad was the perfect size and anything smaller would require filing our fingers down?
Plus I really don't see most Android users complaining about their 4.3-4.8" screens even if they are using more than one hand. They could have bought an iPhone right? But they didn't.
Exactly, Steve Jobs gave us disinformation about key products for years.
And the iPhone was chief amongst them. What did Apple end up making? A phone. An mp3 player before that.
Never saw that coming after the bondi iMac...
I've seen a lot of S3 phones in the wild. Not as many Iphone 5s I'm afraid to say.
And yes, 'size' matters. (If not, why did Apple boast about screen size on the original iPhone?) it's the chief reason for a lot of people going S3.
However, rarely need to operate it with one hand....
All this operate with one hand.
If I'm holding it with my left hand...I have my thumb to navigate?
Sorry. I use 'two' hands on the iPhone 5. To do all the 'smart' features. eg to type. I can't type with my thumb and hold it at the same time. To answer a call? Yes. But the smart stuff? To email. To hold the phone and pinch a photo wider etc. What I'd like is more room to 'see' those smart features. I think an extra inch in height would cover it...and an extra inch wide. And that's the crux. Apple should see it's 'smart first' and phone 2nd. It's very ironic. At least it's that way for me.
And...lose some of the black border. Hell, lose the home button, do they really need that now? Swipe to open...swipe to unlock. Easy?
Remember when the 9.7" iPad was the perfect size and anything smaller would require filing our fingers down?
No, because that was never said.
Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.
Current 4 inch. Turned into 'Nano' with even slimmer design. Becomes iPhone 5s.
Maxi. 5 inch. With 'hi def' screen. You've got it pretty much covered there. iPhone 6 +/Maxi/Magnum blah.
Ludicrous. These're phones. Take the phone part out first; then other sizes can come into the discussion.
Originally Posted by sranger
However, I agree that you can make them too big. For example, after owning the mini iPad for a while, I now think the original iPad is too big. Of course, before I got the mini, I thought it was just fine...
After owning the iPad for almost three years, it's too small. When I got it, I thought it was just fine. It needs to be bigger. I want to do more, not less. And I want to actually be able to see what I'm doing.
After owning the iPad for almost three years, it's too small. When I got it, I thought it was just fine. It needs to be bigger. I want to do more, not less. And I want to actually be able to see what I'm doing.
Out of curiosity, what can you do with the iPad that you cannot do with the Mini????
P.S, I am 48 and have bad eye sight. I can see the Mini Just fine....
I guess this kind of drives my point home.... Different people refer different sized devices.... I honestly think a larger iPhone would lead to more iPhone sales. In fact I suspect that a 4.5-5" iPhone would actually out sell the 3.5" - 4" version....
Apple extensively tested the 9.7" size. Yet they still developed an iPad with a same interface on a smaller screen.
I think at this point anyone who debates that Appple won't make a larger iPhone is not looking at the past. You yourself Tallest Skil debated with me not all that long ago about Apple releasing a 4" iPhone 5. Yet they released a 4" iPhone 5.
Still waiting for a link to where anyone from Apple said what you claimed.
I think at this point anyone who debates that Appple won't make a larger iPhone is not looking at the past.
"Apple will create a larger phone every year until 100% of the gross national product of every nation on the planet is dedicated to the creation of a single, penultimate iPhone. The following year, all human beings will sacrifice themselves and their planet to transmute enough of the material thereon to create an iPhone large enough to have its own gravity."
Sure, expando ad absurdum, but you see my point. It's crazy to expect this to keep happening.
Sure, expando ad absurdum, but you see my point. It's crazy to expect this to keep happening.
Keep happening? It happened one time! Apple increased the iPhone just one freaking time by a mere half an inch. The fact that even with that increase it is still considered too small by many shows that they missed the mark for a whole lot of people. 4.8" would correct that error.
The tide has turned. I remember when people like me that thought a larger iPhone was a good idea were shouted down and ridiculed. It was about 90% against and maybe 10% for a larger screen. Now most think it is inevitable and are in favor of one since they have probably had a chance to actually hold or use an Android of that size. Apple may be slow to change course at times, but they can read the tea leaves with the best of them. A 4.8" iPhone would be a grand slam and will dwarf any prior iPhone records. Count on it happening this year or next.
You're not thinking it through. You can't simply say "They multiple sizes of Macs" or "They have multiple sizes of iPods" and expect the same thing applies to a non-windowed, touch-based OS with an 3rd-party app ecosystem. You can look at just the iPad Nano to see they changed up the display size, aspect ratio, dot pitch, and/or resolution in nearly every revision. If you guys can't see how Apple tailoring the PixoOS UI of a simple device that has no developer support is different from iOS devices then I don't know what I could say to make you two look at the situation rationally.
Apple can and has changed the display size, aspect ratio, dot pitch, and resolution for CocoaTouch devices There are now 6 resolutions and 3 aspect ratios after 6 years on the market and each time it was done it was done systematically and carefully. The iPhone 5 has a new system UI to match that resolution. They did not simply stretch the UI so that 940 pixels works over 1136. This was planned and deliberate.
The iPhone 3G was severely lagging behind the competition in pixel density and resolution back in 2009 they stuck with it anyway because the double resolution displays weren't ready and you can't simply take CocoaTouch and apply it to a slightly denser packing of pixels, an odd resolution of your choice, and aspect ratio. The iPad, which is built with iOS and CocoaTouch, got a brand new UI design for that display. From end to end, from pixel to pixel it was designed for it and how one would interact with that display.
I really can't fathom how either of you can use the iPods or Mac lines as proof that CocoaTouch is some infinitely scalable OS that can change the display size, aspect ratio, dot pitch, and resolution YoY and can work with displays as widely as Mac OS X or Windows.
The tide has turned. I remember when people like me that thought a larger iPhone was a good idea were shouted down and ridiculed.
You were shot down for not making asinine and irrational comments regarding a larger display, not from the long accepted and reasonable notion that a larger display would appeal to a certain type of buyer.
At best it's 2.5m per month so 7.5m per quarter. Apple sold that many iPhone 5s in less than a week. In even a poor quarter, it would represent 1/3 of their sales and it wouldn't entirely be on top of the smaller iPhone sales.
I would not look at the sales as 'don't match the iPhone by a long shot'. 7.5 million is a huge number. Note II is not the only expensive smartphone Samsung sells. The profit per Note II and S3 should be comparable to that on an iPhone.
You were shot down for not making asinine and irrational comments regarding a larger display, not from the long accepted and reasonable notion that a larger display would appeal to a certain type of buyer.
Isn't it grand to live in a bubble where you think you are always the smartest person in the room even when you are quite far from it. Many people in the past were in favor of a larger screen besides me and you and several other prolific posters here always tried to shout them down as if it was the most ludicrous concept ever conceived by man. No one cares about the PPI so give it a rest already. Apple has a lot of people far smarter than you and they will figure out a way to give us a larger iPhone that makes sense.
I don't know why you choose to be so surly and enjoy being so confrontational and condescending. Do me a favor and just ignore all my posts in the future and I will do the same for you. Arguing with an abrasive and intractable know-it-all who is never wrong is tedious and unproductive.
Apple has a history of making high quality, low cost products - eMac, iPod Nano, iBook. If they release a larger phone it would probably be a non-retina screen, and something similar to the iPad Mini.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
You don't operate a Macbok screen with your thumb though. Why would they go to all the bother of describing that they designed the iPhone around your hand to then just say to hell with it, let's make it wider?
And Apple has never gone back on what it says? Remember when the 9.7" iPad was the perfect size and anything smaller would require filing our fingers down?
Plus I really don't see most Android users complaining about their 4.3-4.8" screens even if they are using more than one hand. They could have bought an iPhone right? But they didn't.
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Originally Posted by tzeshan
The main difference is you can not operate the 4.6" Display Galaxy Nexus with one hand. Could you?
Yes, I have a big paw.....
However, rarely need to operate it with one hand....
I can't believe people are still arguing about size. :P
All the riots about iPad Mini blah, blah. It happened.
I think you just look at the iPod market (Yes, 'iPod' market) and see how Apple cornered the market and sucked the oxygen out the room.
I think they're going to have to do the same here.
iPods. iPads. Macs come in a variety of sizes.
I think the minimum for the iPhone range is two sizes. Three to four would be ideal.
Current 4 inch. Turned into 'Nano' with even slimmer design. Becomes iPhone 5s.
Maxi. 5 inch. With 'hi def' screen. You've got it pretty much covered there. iPhone 6 +/Maxi/Magnum blah.
Cheap (er) plastic model of current '5' in a variety of colours. Go after the iPod teen market... Phones for kids/teens is becoming/has become a massive market. I can't see why it's taken Apple this long to replicate their iPod template.
They've screwed the pooch on iPhone profit. If they want the market share they had with iPod...they're going to have to offer different products for different people and budgets. They did it with supreme power with the iPod from classic to Shuffle. Different prices, different products but all Apple quality. Whatever Apple makes will be quality. But there is a market for a cheaper pay phone and a market for larger phones. I don't see why Apple can't be there.
Add a phone chip to the iPod design and you have a great phone for children to teens to young adults. It's a great design. Better even than the iPhone. And it's already in colours...
They can even go for a blue tooth or iPhone 'shuffle' siri controlled product for less than a hundred.
It's up to Apple. And while they may take a dip on overall margins...they'd make it back indirectly in marketshare and app store sales etc.
If they want to really turn their guns on Samsung...it's up to them.
I think they can wipe the floor with them.
Lemon Bon Bon.
The trouble with that is, it doesn't end. If Apple did make a 4.5" device, some people would still say it's not big enough and it needs to be 5". People do come in all shapes and sizes but toilet bowls tend to be roughly the same size. It's inconvenient for some but it's not practical to make different sizes for everyone and people deal with it. If the volume of customers who prefer a larger phone (not people who just buy a larger phone because it happens to be the newest model) is significant, it makes sense. If Apple has sold a significant amount of iPhone 5s this quarter then they don't have to worry.
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smartphones/1292644/samsung-galaxy-s3
"Too big to be a 'phone'
As great as this device is, if it's not comfortable to use in one hand for the majority of users, then it is not a phone, it's a tablet with phone functionality.
For me personally, i'll be sticking with the SG2 until they start making reasonably sized smart phones again.
I've just upgraded to the extended battery for the SG2 which is only 100mAh less than the SG3 battery but lasts longer due to the smaller screen size.
And despite having 2 less cores, the SG2 is still fast enough for all my daily smart phone needs (it never stopped being fast enough).
I hope Samsung release another 4'3 inch model next year as anything over this screen size is too big for me."
"Stupid size for a phone
We don't need phones that are this big, it's just getting ridiculous. I guarantee that the instructions tell you to take this out of your pocket when you sit down... why should having your phone in your pocket be a risk? How long before these things come with a free backpack, to carry them in?"
I find the 4.5" to 5" to be ideal for me.... Several people bought new phones at my work place recently.. All but one got an android phone. I asked why. All of them said that they perfered the larger screen on the Android phones. I honestly think Apple is losing phone sales over this....
However, I agree that you can make them too big. For example, after owning the mini iPad for a while, I now think the original iPad is too big. Of course, before I got the mini, I thought it was just fine...
My original Droid (the need to use Verizon is why I started with Android in the first place) has a 3.5" screen and I though it was fine. However, after using the galaxy for a few weeks, I found the smaller screen on the old Droid to be too small (the wife still uses it and does not want to upgrade however...)
I guess my point is that you really do not know what you will prefer until you live with it for a while......
Nobody with a straight face can argue against a 5 inch iPhone when Apple expects you to get one hand around an 8 inch iPad mini.
Apple are sitting on 125 - 150 Billion.
it's up to them to innovate.
They did a great job last year.
But their biggest problem is that they sat on the '4' design for a year with the 's'.
Samsung captured some imagination share with the Apple derived S3 design. Aped and bigger. But with the crap Android...(and I swear to god if anyone tells me how good Android is... I've played with the S3 and Android in a store. It's crap. It's plastic. It's hard to use. It's mediocre. It's creaky... The icons are bitty and shoddy.)
The iPad mini is gorgeous. Shrink it to 5 inches and you have your iPhone 6 max.
A tear drop or svelte version of the iPad mini/iPod design at 5+ will destroy...
Lemon Bon Bon.
The problem is that people are now using smart phones for more than phone calls.
All that other 'smart' stuff you DO need a slightly bigger screen on. 5-ish for a 'smart' phone is the sweet spot maybe.
I have the iPhone 5. It's great for one hand use. But when you start doing Internet stuff...it's just a touch 'too' small.
When iPhone launched...they were were the 'big' screen boys. No mech' keyboard. It's ironic they've been over taken in that respect in light of the fact that Steve jobs mocked their screen size.
Apple have the best phone and tablets. No question. Jewels both. Best design. Best OS. Best synergy and eco system.
But they need to press their reputation for high fashion. The did it with the iMacs. They did it with the iPods.
They can replicate that here. They showed they mean business in the tablet game.
One size doesn't fit all in the pHone wars I don't think. Just like it didn't in the mp3 player or computer market.
Another point or the same point. I'm now using my iPhone as a computer more than I do as a phone. Because it's 'smart'. When the iphone was released perhaps people used it more for phone 1st...and then the odd bit of smart. If I'm any example...that's changed. That's the irony of the potential users they've lost to S3 and Samesung. Apple really should have got here before Samesung.
There qrowth hasn't peaked though. Perhaps they've timed it just about right to release a bigger 'phone' (...'smart' phone.)
Lemon Bon Bon.
I do and don't have a problem with the evolutionary design of the iPhone.
...on one hand they refine a great product. People KNOW how to use it...and what to expect. It's the familiar...
...however...
...(and yes...they've probably sold 35 million plus iPhones this quarter...)
...but what about that dramatic Apple zeitgeist...?
You know...when they released the original iPod Nano. Breathtaking it was.
...there were rumours of that 'tear drop' design for original 'iPhone 5' that became the same '4' design with an S.
With IVe in charge of hardware and interface pretty much...
...will Apple really cut loose this year?
Lemon Bon Bon.
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Originally Posted by ApplePi
And Apple has never gone back on what it says? Remember when the 9.7" iPad was the perfect size and anything smaller would require filing our fingers down?
Plus I really don't see most Android users complaining about their 4.3-4.8" screens even if they are using more than one hand. They could have bought an iPhone right? But they didn't.
Exactly, Steve Jobs gave us disinformation about key products for years.
And the iPhone was chief amongst them. What did Apple end up making? A phone. An mp3 player before that.
Never saw that coming after the bondi iMac...
I've seen a lot of S3 phones in the wild. Not as many Iphone 5s I'm afraid to say.
And yes, 'size' matters. (If not, why did Apple boast about screen size on the original iPhone?) it's the chief reason for a lot of people going S3.
Lemon Bon Bon.
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Originally Posted by sranger
Yes, I have a big paw.....
However, rarely need to operate it with one hand....
All this operate with one hand.
If I'm holding it with my left hand...I have my thumb to navigate?
Sorry. I use 'two' hands on the iPhone 5. To do all the 'smart' features. eg to type. I can't type with my thumb and hold it at the same time. To answer a call? Yes. But the smart stuff? To email. To hold the phone and pinch a photo wider etc. What I'd like is more room to 'see' those smart features. I think an extra inch in height would cover it...and an extra inch wide. And that's the crux. Apple should see it's 'smart first' and phone 2nd. It's very ironic. At least it's that way for me.
And...lose some of the black border. Hell, lose the home button, do they really need that now? Swipe to open...swipe to unlock. Easy?
Lemon Bon Bon.
Originally Posted by ApplePi
Remember when the 9.7" iPad was the perfect size and anything smaller would require filing our fingers down?
No, because that was never said.
Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.
Current 4 inch. Turned into 'Nano' with even slimmer design. Becomes iPhone 5s.
Maxi. 5 inch. With 'hi def' screen. You've got it pretty much covered there. iPhone 6 +/Maxi/Magnum blah.
Ludicrous. These're phones. Take the phone part out first; then other sizes can come into the discussion.
Originally Posted by sranger
However, I agree that you can make them too big. For example, after owning the mini iPad for a while, I now think the original iPad is too big. Of course, before I got the mini, I thought it was just fine...
After owning the iPad for almost three years, it's too small. When I got it, I thought it was just fine. It needs to be bigger. I want to do more, not less. And I want to actually be able to see what I'm doing.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
After owning the iPad for almost three years, it's too small. When I got it, I thought it was just fine. It needs to be bigger. I want to do more, not less. And I want to actually be able to see what I'm doing.
Out of curiosity, what can you do with the iPad that you cannot do with the Mini????
P.S, I am 48 and have bad eye sight. I can see the Mini Just fine....
I guess this kind of drives my point home.... Different people refer different sized devices.... I honestly think a larger iPhone would lead to more iPhone sales. In fact I suspect that a 4.5-5" iPhone would actually out sell the 3.5" - 4" version....
If Apple releases one, we will see.....
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
No, because that was never said.
Apple extensively tested the 9.7" size. Yet they still developed an iPad with a same interface on a smaller screen.
I think at this point anyone who debates that Appple won't make a larger iPhone is not looking at the past. You yourself Tallest Skil debated with me not all that long ago about Apple releasing a 4" iPhone 5. Yet they released a 4" iPhone 5.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/143040/app-developers-forced-to-submit-retina-display-screenshots#post_2040412 ;
Originally Posted by ApplePi
Still waiting for a link to where anyone from Apple said what you claimed.
I think at this point anyone who debates that Appple won't make a larger iPhone is not looking at the past.
"Apple will create a larger phone every year until 100% of the gross national product of every nation on the planet is dedicated to the creation of a single, penultimate iPhone. The following year, all human beings will sacrifice themselves and their planet to transmute enough of the material thereon to create an iPhone large enough to have its own gravity."
Sure, expando ad absurdum, but you see my point. It's crazy to expect this to keep happening.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Sure, expando ad absurdum, but you see my point. It's crazy to expect this to keep happening.
Keep happening? It happened one time! Apple increased the iPhone just one freaking time by a mere half an inch. The fact that even with that increase it is still considered too small by many shows that they missed the mark for a whole lot of people. 4.8" would correct that error.
The tide has turned. I remember when people like me that thought a larger iPhone was a good idea were shouted down and ridiculed. It was about 90% against and maybe 10% for a larger screen. Now most think it is inevitable and are in favor of one since they have probably had a chance to actually hold or use an Android of that size. Apple may be slow to change course at times, but they can read the tea leaves with the best of them. A 4.8" iPhone would be a grand slam and will dwarf any prior iPhone records. Count on it happening this year or next.
You're not thinking it through. You can't simply say "They multiple sizes of Macs" or "They have multiple sizes of iPods" and expect the same thing applies to a non-windowed, touch-based OS with an 3rd-party app ecosystem. You can look at just the iPad Nano to see they changed up the display size, aspect ratio, dot pitch, and/or resolution in nearly every revision. If you guys can't see how Apple tailoring the PixoOS UI of a simple device that has no developer support is different from iOS devices then I don't know what I could say to make you two look at the situation rationally.
Apple can and has changed the display size, aspect ratio, dot pitch, and resolution for CocoaTouch devices There are now 6 resolutions and 3 aspect ratios after 6 years on the market and each time it was done it was done systematically and carefully. The iPhone 5 has a new system UI to match that resolution. They did not simply stretch the UI so that 940 pixels works over 1136. This was planned and deliberate.
The iPhone 3G was severely lagging behind the competition in pixel density and resolution back in 2009 they stuck with it anyway because the double resolution displays weren't ready and you can't simply take CocoaTouch and apply it to a slightly denser packing of pixels, an odd resolution of your choice, and aspect ratio. The iPad, which is built with iOS and CocoaTouch, got a brand new UI design for that display. From end to end, from pixel to pixel it was designed for it and how one would interact with that display.
I really can't fathom how either of you can use the iPods or Mac lines as proof that CocoaTouch is some infinitely scalable OS that can change the display size, aspect ratio, dot pitch, and resolution YoY and can work with displays as widely as Mac OS X or Windows.
You were shot down for not making asinine and irrational comments regarding a larger display, not from the long accepted and reasonable notion that a larger display would appeal to a certain type of buyer.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
The sales also don't match the iPhone by a long shot:
http://thenextweb.com/asia/2012/11/26/absolutely-phabulous-samsungs-galaxy-note-ii-passes-5m-channel-sales-adding-3m-in-24-days/
At best it's 2.5m per month so 7.5m per quarter. Apple sold that many iPhone 5s in less than a week. In even a poor quarter, it would represent 1/3 of their sales and it wouldn't entirely be on top of the smaller iPhone sales.
I would not look at the sales as 'don't match the iPhone by a long shot'. 7.5 million is a huge number. Note II is not the only expensive smartphone Samsung sells. The profit per Note II and S3 should be comparable to that on an iPhone.
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You were shot down for not making asinine and irrational comments regarding a larger display, not from the long accepted and reasonable notion that a larger display would appeal to a certain type of buyer.
Isn't it grand to live in a bubble where you think you are always the smartest person in the room even when you are quite far from it. Many people in the past were in favor of a larger screen besides me and you and several other prolific posters here always tried to shout them down as if it was the most ludicrous concept ever conceived by man. No one cares about the PPI so give it a rest already. Apple has a lot of people far smarter than you and they will figure out a way to give us a larger iPhone that makes sense.
I don't know why you choose to be so surly and enjoy being so confrontational and condescending. Do me a favor and just ignore all my posts in the future and I will do the same for you. Arguing with an abrasive and intractable know-it-all who is never wrong is tedious and unproductive.
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1
Apple has a history of making high quality, low cost products - eMac, iPod Nano, iBook. If they release a larger phone it would probably be a non-retina screen, and something similar to the iPad Mini.
Geez, I hope not.