apple also doesnt have something like google now, or automatic app updates.
He was lying or was high.
I've defended the marketing speak from Google and other execs against Apple many, many times before on this forum. It's irrelevant to his comment what Google has that Apple doesn't. His comment was squarely about matching the experience of iOS and since you've admitted that Google doesn't have aspect that iOS has natively you can't simply say that your opinion on the best music store or features Android has that iOS doesn't in some way replaces the experience that Schiller is talking about. You simply can't win that argument. All you can say is 1) that you can't think of 9 accounts that would be needed to match the experience of iOS, and 2) that you think the Android experience is better; but you can't say he's lying, especially with the criteria given, you can only say you think he made it up, which is very different.
Someone in the investor forums here was saying recently they needed to trot the SVPs out more often to get them to talk. Well, here's what you get. I'd rather they keep quiet like usual.
The crapware that gets shovelled onto Android phones by device makers is more than annoying. Some of the crap they put on these phones cannot ever be removed unless you jailbreak and root your devices. And rooting your phones locks you out of using some great streaming content services. I'm sure it gives them a little extra margin on every sale, but it does add legitimacy to the argument that Apple cares far more about the user experience than a Sony or Samsung does. Obviously if this is important to me then I should just buy a Nexus device. But I much prefer the looks of the devices Sony is making atm to the Nexus stuff - crapware and lackof updates is making me reconsider though.
To be fair, I find it damned annoying that I can't remove some of the unwanted and unused apple Apps on my iPhone. Can't even hide them. And when someone produces an App to do this, it gets withdrawn from the App store.
Keep in mind that this is Apple we're talking about. The same people complaining that Apple should be fighting back are the same people who will now say it's beneath Apple to talk about the competition. This very thread contains some of that already. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. That's the fate of anything Apple says or does these days.
That's not coming from me. Seems like the iHaters and Fandroids flock to these threads. Oh and the concern trolls who always make sure to remind us how long they've been an Apple fan and how many Apple products they've owned over the years.
I'm with Akleskater. The last thing someone should do is try and tell the world how much better their products are prior to a rivals launch. 9 accounts? PLEASE. Even I he was being rhetorical, it sounded foolish. Complaining about Android means he's giving them attention. I for one love apple products, but incremental improvements like thinner... Slightly bigger screen etc is lame. The competition is leaving Apple behind because apple seems to have forgotten how to innovate. My next phone is the S4
Good luck with that. Their version of innovation is putting features that are available for free on the iPhone as features in Android and having your supplier to buy out the company that has offered it for years earlier on the iPhone. (Swype) Even speech was a copy because it was an undocumented feature for the hearing impaired on all of my iPhones and before that on Every Mac since 2001. He was clearly contacted for this interview. If he said no comment then you would be claiming he is running scared. I think they love what is happening. Under estimate them again. They have brought forth industry changing products for over 30 years. They take time and will not show up every year or two. They are working on the next real market that no one is even thinking about. Remember they had prototypes for the iPad a decade before its release. the only way they are being beat is supposed sales that the only one succeeding, Samsung conveniently stopped reporting in mid 2012. All of a sudden they are blowing Apple away in "shipments". They were so close to beating apple in 2011 and did in 2012 but the numbers released in the trail says they only actually sold a fraction of what Apple sold to consumers. If you feel innovation is larger screens which by the way are far easier to make, since you don't have to miniaturize the internals, then the S4 is all yours. You'll be back, unless you are just to proud to admit mistakes.
Honestly, folks, it's just a friggin phone. Today's society reminds me of an old episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation (Season 5, Episode 6 - "The Game"), where the entire crew starts wearing these "Google Glass"-type headsets that rewards the wearer with feel-good emotions whenever they "will" a virtual disc into a virtual cone. Before long, nobody on the Enterprise is doing anything useful - they're all just playing "the game." Sad to see, really.
Someone in the investor forums here was saying recently they needed to trot the SVPs out more often to get them to talk. Well, here's what you get. I'd rather they keep quiet like usual.
That was me, but this isn't necessarily what I meant. I don't have a problem with what Schiller said but using the WSJ to get it out was a strange choice. WSJ is one of the most anti-Apple publications out there. Almost as bad, if not worse than Forbes and Business Insider. No one will pay attention to what Schiller said as they won't read beyond the "Apple on the defensive" headline.
Did you even bother to read what my response was to:
"If these people believe android is superior than iOS, then I do not think Schiller and his "Internal study done by apple" doesn't have much credibility."
Responding to opinion with opinion...ever heard of it?
Such over the top reactions to comments about what Phil says about the competition during an interview when Samsung sinks to commercials that outright lie and belittle the people they are trying to get to switch to their product.
To be fair, I find it damned annoying that I can't remove some of the unwanted and unused apple Apps on my iPhone. Can't even hide them. And when someone produces an App to do this, it gets withdrawn from the App store.
Why don't you drop them all into a single "Unused" folder on your last page of apps? Is that *seriously* that big of an eyesore?
I've defended the marketing speak from Google and other execs against Apple many, many times before on this forum. It's irrelevant to his comment what Google has that Apple doesn't. His comment was squarely about matching the experience of iOS and since you've admitted that Google doesn't have aspect that iOS has natively you can't simply say that your opinion on the best music store or features Android has that iOS doesn't in some way replaces the experience that Schiller is talking about. You simply can't win that argument. All you can say is 1) that you can't think of 9 accounts that would be needed to match the experience of iOS, and 2) that you think the Android experience is better; but you can't say he's lying, especially with the criteria given, you can only say you think he made it up, which is very different.
ok...got call it as I see it...I prefer IOS over Android....no buts no slamming either platform. But what is the diference between lying and making stuff up?
Edit FWIW...I have had every iPhone except the first one......i have had probably 10 Android phones. I spend a LOT of money phones. But in my Android experience I have never had to sign into 9 different accounts or whatever to get the same functionality as my iPhone.
This is the "shift to Windows 95" moment, when Apple's elegant but higher priced phone/tablet offerings start to become marginalized by a competitor who is ever faster, more nimble, cheaper, and more frantic in its offerings.
Big screen, small screen, glasses, watch, e-paper: Samsung and Android will win it all.
I've never owned a PC in my life. I've had iPhones since the first one. I have stuck with APPL.
But the reality distortion is gone, and I see Samsung/Android/Google not only taking over but driving Apple to extinction like a slowly evolving dinosaur that struggles to come up with a 5s while the competish has mutated randomly with blinding speed and variety to become top predator.
Ugh. Selling APPL tomorrow (unless some wiser person convinces me otherwise lol).
"Schiller also pointed to one of the major shortcomings of the Android platform: fragmentation."
Wow! SJ really put together a band of bad-ass execs! NOT!
Is that their forward moving marketing plan is to point out the deficiencies of competing products curenlyt TAKING market share in mobile, build a new campus for a company spiraling downward?
Why is it that Wall St./smartmoney is handing us "individual" investors and AAPL product lovers our heads on a platter.
Seriously, how can AAPL's stock price go from $700 to $428 while achieving record revenues and profits.
Simple: Wall street realizes that Apple's execs are a group of spineless dweebs who think they are in the same league as SJ, but necer were, and never will be...they can't even figure out how to split shares or raise dividends UNTIL their price plummets 40%....Or thatswhatthey want to initiate a fat buy back.
learn to spell and if no one is buying the iPhone, how come it was the #1 and #2 phone sold last qtr? Sammy couldn't outsell the 2 y.o. 4.
That was me, but this isn't necessarily what I meant. I don't have a problem with what Schiller said but using the WSJ to get it out was a strange choice. WSJ is one of the most anti-Apple publications out there. Almost as bad, if not worse than Forbes and Business Insider. No one will pay attention to what Schiller said as they won't read beyond the "Apple on the defensive" headline.
Yeah, I know it's not what you meant really. I wonder actually what was omitted from the full interview, if they just cherry picked a few statements, put a spinny headline on it, and shipped it. Not sure Schiller used them, it may have been the other way around — though I can't imagine he wouldn't have seen that coming from the WSJ given their track recent track record.
If I were Apple, I'd just release something out of nowhere tomorrow to eat up headlines. Maybe we'll get iWork, new displays, and a Mac Pro tomorrow.
- If Apple doesn't say anything about how much better they are, they must not believe in their own products. They need to talk more about their products.
- If Apple DOES talk about their products and the competition, they're whiny and sound defensive, so they shouldn't do that.
This is the "shift to Windows 95" moment, when Apple's elegant but higher priced phone/tablet offerings start to become marginalized by a competitor who is ever faster, more nimble, cheaper, and more frantic in its offerings.
Big screen, small screen, glasses, watch, e-paper: Samsung and Android will win it all.
I've never owned a PC in my life. I've had iPhones since the first one. I have stuck with APPL.
But the reality distortion is gone, and I see Samsung/Android/Google not only taking over but driving Apple to extinction like a slowly evolving dinosaur that struggles to come up with a 5s while the competish has mutated randomly with blinding speed and variety to become top predator.
Ugh. Selling APPL tomorrow (unless some wiser person convinces me otherwise lol).
The 5 just came out in September. The SG3 came out in may/June(?) so the 5 hasn't been six months on the market and that's slow? Somehow I doubt it's struggling to come up with a 5S. The 5 AND 4 outsold the Galaxy. iPads are wiping Android in the tablet space.
This isn't like win95. Apple was out of focus and wasn't making money back then. Apple had the most profitable year last year along with one of the most profitable qtrs ever. It's produce line is relatively small.
Go ahead and sell. We don't want skittish investors.
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Why didn't you ask Phil for his citation? Or do you naively accept his claims at face value because they're pro-Apple?
I've defended the marketing speak from Google and other execs against Apple many, many times before on this forum. It's irrelevant to his comment what Google has that Apple doesn't. His comment was squarely about matching the experience of iOS and since you've admitted that Google doesn't have aspect that iOS has natively you can't simply say that your opinion on the best music store or features Android has that iOS doesn't in some way replaces the experience that Schiller is talking about. You simply can't win that argument. All you can say is 1) that you can't think of 9 accounts that would be needed to match the experience of iOS, and 2) that you think the Android experience is better; but you can't say he's lying, especially with the criteria given, you can only say you think he made it up, which is very different.
Someone in the investor forums here was saying recently they needed to trot the SVPs out more often to get them to talk. Well, here's what you get.
MG Siegler nails it:
http://parislemon.com/post/45296305631/apple-goes-on-the-defensive-against-samsung
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Originally Posted by eksodos
The crapware that gets shovelled onto Android phones by device makers is more than annoying. Some of the crap they put on these phones cannot ever be removed unless you jailbreak and root your devices. And rooting your phones locks you out of using some great streaming content services. I'm sure it gives them a little extra margin on every sale, but it does add legitimacy to the argument that Apple cares far more about the user experience than a Sony or Samsung does. Obviously if this is important to me then I should just buy a Nexus device. But I much prefer the looks of the devices Sony is making atm to the Nexus stuff - crapware and lackof updates is making me reconsider though.
To be fair, I find it damned annoying that I can't remove some of the unwanted and unused apple Apps on my iPhone. Can't even hide them. And when someone produces an App to do this, it gets withdrawn from the App store.
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
Keep in mind that this is Apple we're talking about. The same people complaining that Apple should be fighting back are the same people who will now say it's beneath Apple to talk about the competition. This very thread contains some of that already. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. That's the fate of anything Apple says or does these days.
That's not coming from me. Seems like the iHaters and Fandroids flock to these threads. Oh and the concern trolls who always make sure to remind us how long they've been an Apple fan and how many Apple products they've owned over the years.
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Originally Posted by Chemicle
I'm with Akleskater. The last thing someone should do is try and tell the world how much better their products are prior to a rivals launch. 9 accounts? PLEASE. Even I he was being rhetorical, it sounded foolish. Complaining about Android means he's giving them attention. I for one love apple products, but incremental improvements like thinner... Slightly bigger screen etc is lame. The competition is leaving Apple behind because apple seems to have forgotten how to innovate. My next phone is the S4
Good luck with that. Their version of innovation is putting features that are available for free on the iPhone as features in Android and having your supplier to buy out the company that has offered it for years earlier on the iPhone. (Swype) Even speech was a copy because it was an undocumented feature for the hearing impaired on all of my iPhones and before that on Every Mac since 2001. He was clearly contacted for this interview. If he said no comment then you would be claiming he is running scared. I think they love what is happening. Under estimate them again. They have brought forth industry changing products for over 30 years. They take time and will not show up every year or two. They are working on the next real market that no one is even thinking about. Remember they had prototypes for the iPad a decade before its release. the only way they are being beat is supposed sales that the only one succeeding, Samsung conveniently stopped reporting in mid 2012. All of a sudden they are blowing Apple away in "shipments". They were so close to beating apple in 2011 and did in 2012 but the numbers released in the trail says they only actually sold a fraction of what Apple sold to consumers. If you feel innovation is larger screens which by the way are far easier to make, since you don't have to miniaturize the internals, then the S4 is all yours. You'll be back, unless you are just to proud to admit mistakes.
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Originally Posted by fastasleep
Someone in the investor forums here was saying recently they needed to trot the SVPs out more often to get them to talk. Well, here's what you get.
MG Siegler nails it:
http://parislemon.com/post/45296305631/apple-goes-on-the-defensive-against-samsung
That was me, but this isn't necessarily what I meant. I don't have a problem with what Schiller said but using the WSJ to get it out was a strange choice. WSJ is one of the most anti-Apple publications out there. Almost as bad, if not worse than Forbes and Business Insider. No one will pay attention to what Schiller said as they won't read beyond the "Apple on the defensive" headline.
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
Citation needed.
Did you even bother to read what my response was to:
"If these people believe android is superior than iOS, then I do not think Schiller and his "Internal study done by apple" doesn't have much credibility."
Responding to opinion with opinion...ever heard of it?
Citation?...don't waste my time. idjit.
Such over the top reactions to comments about what Phil says about the competition during an interview when Samsung sinks to commercials that outright lie and belittle the people they are trying to get to switch to their product.
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Originally Posted by kevt
To be fair, I find it damned annoying that I can't remove some of the unwanted and unused apple Apps on my iPhone. Can't even hide them. And when someone produces an App to do this, it gets withdrawn from the App store.
Why don't you drop them all into a single "Unused" folder on your last page of apps? Is that *seriously* that big of an eyesore?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I've defended the marketing speak from Google and other execs against Apple many, many times before on this forum. It's irrelevant to his comment what Google has that Apple doesn't. His comment was squarely about matching the experience of iOS and since you've admitted that Google doesn't have aspect that iOS has natively you can't simply say that your opinion on the best music store or features Android has that iOS doesn't in some way replaces the experience that Schiller is talking about. You simply can't win that argument. All you can say is 1) that you can't think of 9 accounts that would be needed to match the experience of iOS, and 2) that you think the Android experience is better; but you can't say he's lying, especially with the criteria given, you can only say you think he made it up, which is very different.
ok...got call it as I see it...I prefer IOS over Android....no buts no slamming either platform. But what is the diference between lying and making stuff up?
Edit FWIW...I have had every iPhone except the first one......i have had probably 10 Android phones. I spend a LOT of money phones. But in my Android experience I have never had to sign into 9 different accounts or whatever to get the same functionality as my iPhone.
I agree, it's just a phone.
But it's moment of the shift.
This is the "shift to Windows 95" moment, when Apple's elegant but higher priced phone/tablet offerings start to become marginalized by a competitor who is ever faster, more nimble, cheaper, and more frantic in its offerings.
Big screen, small screen, glasses, watch, e-paper: Samsung and Android will win it all.
I've never owned a PC in my life. I've had iPhones since the first one. I have stuck with APPL.
But the reality distortion is gone, and I see Samsung/Android/Google not only taking over but driving Apple to extinction like a slowly evolving dinosaur that struggles to come up with a 5s while the competish has mutated randomly with blinding speed and variety to become top predator.
Ugh. Selling APPL tomorrow (unless some wiser person convinces me otherwise lol).
So you found research that contradicts this?
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
That was me, but this isn't necessarily what I meant. I don't have a problem with what Schiller said but using the WSJ to get it out was a strange choice. WSJ is one of the most anti-Apple publications out there. Almost as bad, if not worse than Forbes and Business Insider. No one will pay attention to what Schiller said as they won't read beyond the "Apple on the defensive" headline.
Yeah, I know it's not what you meant really.
If I were Apple, I'd just release something out of nowhere tomorrow to eat up headlines. Maybe we'll get iWork, new displays, and a Mac Pro tomorrow.
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- If Apple doesn't say anything about how much better they are, they must not believe in their own products. They need to talk more about their products.
- If Apple DOES talk about their products and the competition, they're whiny and sound defensive, so they shouldn't do that.
Either way, Apple is doomed.
Did I get it right?
The 5 just came out in September. The SG3 came out in may/June(?) so the 5 hasn't been six months on the market and that's slow? Somehow I doubt it's struggling to come up with a 5S. The 5 AND 4 outsold the Galaxy. iPads are wiping Android in the tablet space.
This isn't like win95. Apple was out of focus and wasn't making money back then. Apple had the most profitable year last year along with one of the most profitable qtrs ever. It's produce line is relatively small.
Go ahead and sell. We don't want skittish investors.
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