For an article all about "Tizen" you might want to spend a paragraph explaining what Tizen actually is, how it works, what it's based on etc. Is it Unix? Is it an Android clone? Does it run Android apps?
If Samsung is smart, Tizen should be a bridge from Android, not an alternative. If a Tizen phone cannot at least initially run Android apps for instance it will never take off at all.
Alien Dalvik and other ports of the Dalvik VM enables most Android apps to run on Meego, Maemo, BlackBerry OS 10, iOS (yes, you can run Android apps on Apple devices if you're jailbroken and install Alien Dalvik), etc... So running Android apps on Tizen shouldn't be a problem...
There's "technically feasible" and there is "runs apps." They aren't the same thing at all.
If Tizen cannot at least initially, seamlessly run all Android apps, it won't ever be successful. If it can do that, and then at the same time have a better UI than the Android mess, it will run Android into the ground.
Looks different, kinda nice. Gotta respect hand it to Samsung for coming up with this. But whatever happened to their other OS, Bada?
Tizen is the flavor of the month OS, or maybe they realized that Android cost them $1B in legal cost and they could have just written something from scratch for less.
There's "technically feasible" and there is "runs apps." They aren't the same thing at all.
If Tizen cannot at least initially, seamlessly run all Android apps, it won't ever be successful. If it can do that, and then at the same time have a better UI than the Android mess, it will run Android into the ground.
Android doesn't even run all Android apps seamlessly.
There's "technically feasible" and there is "runs apps." They aren't the same thing at all.
If Tizen cannot at least initially, seamlessly run all Android apps, it won't ever be successful. If it can do that, and then at the same time have a better UI than the Android mess, it will run Android into the ground.
I wonder if they're naive enough to think they can run on the popularity of their Galaxy phones?
Third party apps will need to be written. Maybe they are in talks with Microsoft for a lead on all the developers anxious to develop for their new platform. /s
Samsung building an Eco System. Lets see now Microsoft tried, with limited amount of success. Blackberry did with not much success, oh and all these companies have a history of building software systems, now think again. Yes ?
So what's the solution to that problem? Should they just stop trying? All go with Android?
2014 is the year Google and Samsung go to war with each other. Their key interests and goals are in complete conflict
For Google, their relationship with their main distribution arm is going to breakdown. Likely via Samsung forking Android or a substantial re-balancing of the key business terms (e.g. rev share on search advertising). It is a matter of when. Poof - 50% of Google's mobile business is at risk
For Samsung, Google is aggressively entering the hardware space - Moto X, Nexus 7. In particular, the Nexus 7 ensures that all OEMs including Samsung have zero chance of ever making any material profits in the tablet space. Google's goal is $0 hardware. It is in complete conflict with its OEM partners
I'm going to enjoy this shi* show over the next 18 months. The net net is it will benefit Apple
Extending this out to the full personal device landscape...
Apple - Sell great hardware for $$ with nearly free great software, as a platform for an immersive ecosystem... eventually invert the model and make the ecosystem the primary profit source.
Samsung - Sell Hardware for $$, with whatever SW seems to sell it best, add ecosystem(s) because people want it, but focus on building HW and selling it at maximum margin
Amazon - Sell hardware/SW at a loss, but make device the greatest book buying/reading unit, integrated into to the largest shopping center in the world, where you own the cash registers and fulfillment systems of every shop inside.
Google/Moto - Sell hardware at negative margins, free OS, to drive eyeballs to adsense sites, and google services (first couple years are free, then either killed or monetized).
Nokia/MS - Oh, how the mighty have fallen... how to keep MS Office and Xbox relevant in a post email/document/general-spreadsheet/GameSW world.
Blackberry - The not so mighty have fallen faster... but have a comets tail of touch typist loyalists
Sony/Nintendo - See MS/Blackberry...
Asus/HP/DELL/Lenovo - 'Peak PC' has passed. Servers are commodities. Cloud Data Centers will be like Utilities, small/medium/large businesses won't buy their own... they'll just 'buy it off the grid'
That is your players list. Anyone else will be selling pods/phones/pads that will effectively be fodder for carrier/carrier-resellers/bigbox stock racks.
Odds are Blackberry and Nokia/MS will eventually wither and die... and/or Google will see something new to do, and sell off Moto. I don't see more than 4 players in the 'device ecosystem' environment, and Apple and Amazon have solid ecosystems, and Samsung is the megolith in device manufacturing
The key thing here is that Software has evolved to 'zero' value to the consumer. That kills Blackberry/MS-Nok, and in effect, Google/Android. People (the 6.1Billion who don't know or care about 'Visual Basic' 'JIT', or 'Dalvik vs ObjC') buy phones and ipads and tablets and computers... to DO stuff. They don't buy it to 'run Word' or 'Jelly Bean"
In the end... it will be about ecosystems and integration into lives/businesses/family (on the same device). We want a device that is Personal Me, Daddy/Mommy Me, Corporate Me, my Private business me, Game Player Me, Carlos Danger Me, Mother's Son/Daughter Me, and 'oh, child/friend/mother wants to borrow my device me.'
The wildcard (in many ways) is Amazon. They are all about free cash flow (Sell Stuff Faster, pay for it slower), which while not 'profit,' it is 'money to invest in making money' They are 'When people scream GOLD Rush... Get into the Shovel Selling Business... buy more shovels now, pay for them later, after they are sold, and figure out a way to sell them with zero ('or negative') overhead!"
Lets face it, those particular round icons aren't great. But is iOS shipped with round, which I could see, would opinions be the same? Apple OSs already have lots of round...
I seem to remember some criticism of the ugly round icons on the iPod nano, so I guess the answer is: yes, their stupidity is more than it just their company of origin.
Seriously, this looks like a terrible copy of a dated version of iOS. It's home screen is a grid of icons, the gestures listed are the same, and its home button is even a rectangle. I don't see how this gels with all the Samsung shills/fandroids screaming that the icon grid in iOS links dated and that the icon grid in the apple vs. Samsung trial wasn't a fair comparison because it isn't the home screen in android.
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Originally Posted by starbird73
Lets face it, those particular round icons aren't great. But is [sic] iOS shipped with round....
Let's face it: it won't.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
This brings me to apps, do Android apps work on that Samsung OS?
Yes they seem to have a utility called Polaris App Player, that helps you run Android apps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR932y5TtcA
Please proceed, co-CEO.
For an article all about "Tizen" you might want to spend a paragraph explaining what Tizen actually is, how it works, what it's based on etc. Is it Unix? Is it an Android clone? Does it run Android apps?
If Samsung is smart, Tizen should be a bridge from Android, not an alternative. If a Tizen phone cannot at least initially run Android apps for instance it will never take off at all.
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Originally Posted by Mikeb85
Alien Dalvik and other ports of the Dalvik VM enables most Android apps to run on Meego, Maemo, BlackBerry OS 10, iOS (yes, you can run Android apps on Apple devices if you're jailbroken and install Alien Dalvik), etc... So running Android apps on Tizen shouldn't be a problem...
There's "technically feasible" and there is "runs apps." They aren't the same thing at all.
If Tizen cannot at least initially, seamlessly run all Android apps, it won't ever be successful. If it can do that, and then at the same time have a better UI than the Android mess, it will run Android into the ground.
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
Looks different, kinda nice. Gotta respect hand it to Samsung for coming up with this. But whatever happened to their other OS, Bada?
Tizen is the flavor of the month OS, or maybe they realized that Android cost them $1B in legal cost and they could have just written something from scratch for less.
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Originally Posted by John.B
Android users already bitch about how long it takes for apps to be ported to Google Play (e.g. BBC iPlayer).
I think this would be a colossally bad move on the part of Samsung, and I support it 100%.
Agreed. The beginning of the end for Samsung's dominance of the crap-phone market. Go for it Samsung!
Android doesn't even run all Android apps seamlessly.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
There's "technically feasible" and there is "runs apps." They aren't the same thing at all.
If Tizen cannot at least initially, seamlessly run all Android apps, it won't ever be successful. If it can do that, and then at the same time have a better UI than the Android mess, it will run Android into the ground.
I wonder if they're naive enough to think they can run on the popularity of their Galaxy phones?
There is a video showing Tizen running on a prototype hardware.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7cPEQpxsNE
Looks very slow and boring to me.
I agree. It won't.
Third party apps will need to be written. Maybe they are in talks with Microsoft for a lead on all the developers anxious to develop for their new platform. /s
A little more information on what Tizen is composed of (dating back to Maemo in 2005):
So what's the solution to that problem? Should they just stop trying? All go with Android?
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
Looks different, kinda nice. Gotta respect hand it to Samsung for coming up with this. But whatever happened to their other OS, Bada?
Bada got folded into the Tizen effort - ie dropped!. Tizen will run existing Bada apps as well as Android apps.
My phone runs Bada. It is actually a very nice and capable OS.
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Originally Posted by Red Oak
2014 is the year Google and Samsung go to war with each other. Their key interests and goals are in complete conflict
For Google, their relationship with their main distribution arm is going to breakdown. Likely via Samsung forking Android or a substantial re-balancing of the key business terms (e.g. rev share on search advertising). It is a matter of when. Poof - 50% of Google's mobile business is at risk
For Samsung, Google is aggressively entering the hardware space - Moto X, Nexus 7. In particular, the Nexus 7 ensures that all OEMs including Samsung have zero chance of ever making any material profits in the tablet space. Google's goal is $0 hardware. It is in complete conflict with its OEM partners
I'm going to enjoy this shi* show over the next 18 months. The net net is it will benefit Apple
Extending this out to the full personal device landscape...
Apple - Sell great hardware for $$ with nearly free great software, as a platform for an immersive ecosystem... eventually invert the model and make the ecosystem the primary profit source.
Samsung - Sell Hardware for $$, with whatever SW seems to sell it best, add ecosystem(s) because people want it, but focus on building HW and selling it at maximum margin
Amazon - Sell hardware/SW at a loss, but make device the greatest book buying/reading unit, integrated into to the largest shopping center in the world, where you own the cash registers and fulfillment systems of every shop inside.
Google/Moto - Sell hardware at negative margins, free OS, to drive eyeballs to adsense sites, and google services (first couple years are free, then either killed or monetized).
Nokia/MS - Oh, how the mighty have fallen... how to keep MS Office and Xbox relevant in a post email/document/general-spreadsheet/GameSW world.
Blackberry - The not so mighty have fallen faster... but have a comets tail of touch typist loyalists
Sony/Nintendo - See MS/Blackberry...
Asus/HP/DELL/Lenovo - 'Peak PC' has passed. Servers are commodities. Cloud Data Centers will be like Utilities, small/medium/large businesses won't buy their own... they'll just 'buy it off the grid'
That is your players list. Anyone else will be selling pods/phones/pads that will effectively be fodder for carrier/carrier-resellers/bigbox stock racks.
Odds are Blackberry and Nokia/MS will eventually wither and die... and/or Google will see something new to do, and sell off Moto. I don't see more than 4 players in the 'device ecosystem' environment, and Apple and Amazon have solid ecosystems, and Samsung is the megolith in device manufacturing
The key thing here is that Software has evolved to 'zero' value to the consumer. That kills Blackberry/MS-Nok, and in effect, Google/Android. People (the 6.1Billion who don't know or care about 'Visual Basic' 'JIT', or 'Dalvik vs ObjC') buy phones and ipads and tablets and computers... to DO stuff. They don't buy it to 'run Word' or 'Jelly Bean"
In the end... it will be about ecosystems and integration into lives/businesses/family (on the same device). We want a device that is Personal Me, Daddy/Mommy Me, Corporate Me, my Private business me, Game Player Me, Carlos Danger Me, Mother's Son/Daughter Me, and 'oh, child/friend/mother wants to borrow my device me.'
The wildcard (in many ways) is Amazon. They are all about free cash flow (Sell Stuff Faster, pay for it slower), which while not 'profit,' it is 'money to invest in making money' They are 'When people scream GOLD Rush... Get into the Shovel Selling Business... buy more shovels now, pay for them later, after they are sold, and figure out a way to sell them with zero ('or negative') overhead!"
Shockingly, these icons actually look good. Very clean, refined, and consistent. Why are Samsung's touchwiz icons such shit in comparison?
As for Tizen, I hope to God they have the hubris and idiocy to do this. It would screw Google, as well as themselves over in one blow.
I seem to remember some criticism of the ugly round icons on the iPod nano, so I guess the answer is: yes, their stupidity is more than it just their company of origin.
Seriously, this looks like a terrible copy of a dated version of iOS. It's home screen is a grid of icons, the gestures listed are the same, and its home button is even a rectangle. I don't see how this gels with all the Samsung shills/fandroids screaming that the icon grid in iOS links dated and that the icon grid in the apple vs. Samsung trial wasn't a fair comparison because it isn't the home screen in android.