It looks like what IBM did a long time ago. They were nvolved with projects with Apple on the Taligent project, OS/2 with Microsoft, they bought out Metaphor systems and what they were doing is trying to figure out the future for an OS. What did they end up doing. Dumping OS2, canceling the Taligent project and eventually dumping Windows. Why? Couldn't figure out how to make any money.
Probably at first. Then, over time, they'll drift apart and you'll have the same mess that you have in Android - only half the phones in use capable of running a recent version of the OS and apps. Tizen will simply compound the fragmentation mess.
PS tedious thing, to delete all the html stuff from your posts when quoting. Do you have the same issue when quoting someone else?
Try clearing your cache. I saw the editor stuck sometimes on HTML for the past few days until I did so. I think something changed.
There are two editors. TinyMCE which is the WYSIWYG style editor and the BBcode editor which is a more simplified mark up language.
If one person is using TinyMCE, which adds a bunch of redundant and useless HTML, is quoted by someone using BBcode then there will be inconsistencies because BBcode does not support HTML directly.
The folks that should be really sacred are those up in Redmond. At any given time, Nokia may decide to take back their business and use code that they actually helped develop. The only thing holding them back is Elop being an MS guy at the helm. However, that captain of the ship may be looking at a possible mutiny if Nokia petitions their government to save them from sinking into the abyss.
Another thing to take away from Tizen: Unix/Linux based OS. MS and the NT Kernel is not looking well these days, especially because it's so bloated. I've stated before that MS missed their big opportunity to ditch their sucky kernel and go with a scalable UNIX/Linux variant back when dev'ing Longhorn. Their boneheadedness AKA "Bald Monkey Strategy" is gonna continue to bite them hard.
As much as everyone wants to hate on Google, I bet many of you don't know that there are a number of (very!) influential developers at Google that absolutely HATE what has become of Android... let alone trying to program for the nasty Bastard-OS. No joke. Rubin is gone, and there are whispers of dissent whether Google should continue to try and shoe-horn services into a "layered cake" software, rather than go straight to "pure Chrome".
Considering that Google isn't making anything on Android at all, MS taking a chunk of the pie for patents, and iOS supplying the majority of mobile-ad income... I think the days of "Google Android" are numbered.
iOS and Tizen will comprise the Mobile OS War of the future... with forked versions of Android, Win8, and the remains of BB10 scurrying all over the place like worker ants picking up crumbs. :smokey:
The folks that should be really sacred are those up in Redmond. At any given time, Nokia may decide to take back their business and use code that they actually helped develop. The only thing holding them back is Elop being an MS guy at the helm. However, that captain of the ship may be looking at a possible mutiny if Nokia petitions their government to save them from sinking into the abyss.
Microsoft has already paid Nokia $1 billion to abandon Symbian. There is no going back at this point. Microsoft is losing money on every Nokia phone. If anyone is going to back out it will be Microsoft. Then Nokia will have to pay a higher royalty to MS for Windows Phone OS. Maybe then the government will have to bail them out. Either way, if Windows Phone becomes successful, Nokia will be successful, but if not, Nokia is toast.
Not sure how this news fits in with all the reports that came out about a month ago claiming that Tizen was going to be scrapped/shelved by Samsung in favor of a Samsung fork of android....
It's weird. If Google is taking some customers by using stock Android, rather than Samsung's weird version... Samsung is totally free to use stock android also. Instead, they're going to make an entirely new OS.
Samsung was never about supporting Google's cause. For Samsung, Android was always a quick on-ramp to the iPhone era of smartphones.
I think that even if Samsung decided they eventually wanted to switch completely to Tizen in the future this will be a very slow process while they continue to offer versions in both Android and Tizen. This could last for several years until they think they could fully make the switch. Maybe they will offer the Galaxy S5 in both Android and Tizen versions. Tizen will also need to be able to run Android apps at native or close to native speed for customers to even consider it.
The folks that should be really sacred are those up in Redmond. At any given time, Nokia may decide to take back their business and use code that they actually helped develop. The only thing holding them back is Elop being an MS guy at the helm. However, that captain of the ship may be looking at a possible mutiny if Nokia petitions their government to save them from sinking into the abyss.
Another thing to take away from Tizen: Unix/Linux based OS. MS and the NT Kernel is not looking well these days, especially because it's so bloated. I've stated before that MS missed their big opportunity to ditch their sucky kernel and go with a scalable UNIX/Linux variant back when dev'ing Longhorn. Their boneheadedness AKA "Bald Monkey Strategy" is gonna continue to bite them hard.
As much as everyone wants to hate on Google, I bet many of you don't know that there are a number of (very!) influential developers at Google that absolutely HATE what has become of Android... let alone trying to program for the nasty Bastard-OS. No joke. Rubin is gone, and there are whispers of dissent whether Google should continue to try and shoe-horn services into a "layered cake" software, rather than go straight to "pure Chrome".
Considering that Google isn't making anything on Android at all, MS taking a chunk of the pie for patents, and iOS supplying the majority of mobile-ad income... I think the days of "Google Android" are numbered.
iOS and Tizen will comprise the Mobile OS War of the future... with forked versions of Android, Win8, and the remains of BB10 scurrying all over the place like worker ants picking up crumbs.
if Nokia can't get these Windows phones to sell, Microsnot may have to buy Nokia, dump their OEM phone licensing program and do it on their own and fail.
Tizen will probably fail, just like Bada didn't catch on. Samsung is just confusing people, because they themselves are confused.
if Nokia can't get these Windows phones to sell, Microsnot may have to buy Nokia, dump their OEM phone licensing program and do it on their own and fail.
Tizen will probably fail, just like Bada didn't catch on. Samsung is just confusing people, because they themselves are confused.
If Nokia can't sell Win Phones that would mean that Win Phone is unsellable because Nokia's hardware is decent. Microsoft would have only one recourse, but it would not be to buy Nokia. They would license it free to all manufacturers to try to gain market share, just like Android. Then try to halo effect their way into an ecosystem. If Win Phone finally catches on as a free alternative to Android then Microsoft will stab the OEMs in the back and start making their own phones. But when considered in light of the less then stellar sales of their Surface tablets, I don't think anything Windows 8 has much cache among consumers, perhaps not even enterprise.
If Nokia can't sell Win Phones that would mean that Win Phone is unsellable because Nokia's hardware is decent. Microsoft would have only one recourse, but it would not be to buy Nokia. They would license it free to all manufacturers to try to gain market share, just like Android. Then try to halo effect their way into an ecosystem. If Win Phone finally catches on as a free alternative to Android then Microsoft will stab the OEMs in the back and start making their own phones. But when considered in light of the less then stellar sales of their Surface tablets, I don't think anything Windows 8 has much cache among consumers, perhaps not even enterprise.
I think Windows 8, WIndows 8 phones, Surface RT appeals to the people that bought Zunes. The hardcore Microsoft fans that just will buy anything Microsoft puts out regardless of how good it is. It's too bad most companies force their users to only use Windows. It would be interesting if EVERY company decided to give the users the choice of Windows boxes or OS X boxes and after 5 years, what the REAL market share would be. I'm sure Apple would probably do about 35%. At companies that do allow users to choose they can go upwards of 35% of the users using OS X. That would be a HUGE leap in revenues for Apple and they probably couldn't keep up with demand of the hardware if they jumped from 7% to 35%. In the US they are at around 12 to 14% of what's being shipped and that number is 3x what it was 6 years ago from what Apple was shipping in the US.
I think Windows 8, WIndows 8 phones, Surface RT appeals to the people that bought Zunes. The hardcore Microsoft fans that just will buy anything Microsoft puts out regardless of how good it is.
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Kind of dysfunctional if you think about it.
Probably at first. Then, over time, they'll drift apart and you'll have the same mess that you have in Android - only half the phones in use capable of running a recent version of the OS and apps. Tizen will simply compound the fragmentation mess.
Except that a large fraction of the users and developers won't even know what a vinyl record is.
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Besides the Linux Kernel, Tizen's carrying over baggage code / utility from Maemo, Moblin, MeeGo, LiMo and Baba.
That's the problem! Tizen's slow as sh*t, watch it here in action if you want proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7cPEQpxsNE
Beta or not, the very fundamentals of the OS seems blocky and unfinished.
A beta looking unfinished, how shocking!
Bada is a decent OS, I doubt Tizen will be a step backward.
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PS tedious thing, to delete all the html stuff from your posts when quoting. Do you have the same issue when quoting someone else?
Try clearing your cache. I saw the editor stuck sometimes on HTML for the past few days until I did so. I think something changed.
There are two editors. TinyMCE which is the WYSIWYG style editor and the BBcode editor which is a more simplified mark up language.
If one person is using TinyMCE, which adds a bunch of redundant and useless HTML, is quoted by someone using BBcode then there will be inconsistencies because BBcode does not support HTML directly.
Another thing to take away from Tizen: Unix/Linux based OS. MS and the NT Kernel is not looking well these days, especially because it's so bloated. I've stated before that MS missed their big opportunity to ditch their sucky kernel and go with a scalable UNIX/Linux variant back when dev'ing Longhorn. Their boneheadedness AKA "Bald Monkey Strategy" is gonna continue to bite them hard.
As much as everyone wants to hate on Google, I bet many of you don't know that there are a number of (very!) influential developers at Google that absolutely HATE what has become of Android... let alone trying to program for the nasty Bastard-OS. No joke. Rubin is gone, and there are whispers of dissent whether Google should continue to try and shoe-horn services into a "layered cake" software, rather than go straight to "pure Chrome".
Considering that Google isn't making anything on Android at all, MS taking a chunk of the pie for patents, and iOS supplying the majority of mobile-ad income... I think the days of "Google Android" are numbered.
iOS and Tizen will comprise the Mobile OS War of the future... with forked versions of Android, Win8, and the remains of BB10 scurrying all over the place like worker ants picking up crumbs. :smokey:
If you ignore the rainbow wallpaper, and just look at the icons and time+weather widgets, how is it any different from their S-skinned Android UI?
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Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc
The folks that should be really sacred are those up in Redmond. At any given time, Nokia may decide to take back their business and use code that they actually helped develop. The only thing holding them back is Elop being an MS guy at the helm. However, that captain of the ship may be looking at a possible mutiny if Nokia petitions their government to save them from sinking into the abyss.
Microsoft has already paid Nokia $1 billion to abandon Symbian. There is no going back at this point. Microsoft is losing money on every Nokia phone. If anyone is going to back out it will be Microsoft. Then Nokia will have to pay a higher royalty to MS for Windows Phone OS. Maybe then the government will have to bail them out. Either way, if Windows Phone becomes successful, Nokia will be successful, but if not, Nokia is toast.
No, it looks like MeegOS, which Titzen is.
Not sure how this news fits in with all the reports that came out about a month ago claiming that Tizen was going to be scrapped/shelved by Samsung in favor of a Samsung fork of android....
Same could be said about iOS and will become more prominent once iOS 7 gets released.
Motoblur sucked that's why.
Subjective and biased are 2 different things.
Samsung was never about supporting Google's cause. For Samsung, Android was always a quick on-ramp to the iPhone era of smartphones.
I think that even if Samsung decided they eventually wanted to switch completely to Tizen in the future this will be a very slow process while they continue to offer versions in both Android and Tizen. This could last for several years until they think they could fully make the switch. Maybe they will offer the Galaxy S5 in both Android and Tizen versions. Tizen will also need to be able to run Android apps at native or close to native speed for customers to even consider it.
Liquid damage gate.
They'll never report it. That controversy is not Apple enough.
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Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc
The folks that should be really sacred are those up in Redmond. At any given time, Nokia may decide to take back their business and use code that they actually helped develop. The only thing holding them back is Elop being an MS guy at the helm. However, that captain of the ship may be looking at a possible mutiny if Nokia petitions their government to save them from sinking into the abyss.
Another thing to take away from Tizen: Unix/Linux based OS. MS and the NT Kernel is not looking well these days, especially because it's so bloated. I've stated before that MS missed their big opportunity to ditch their sucky kernel and go with a scalable UNIX/Linux variant back when dev'ing Longhorn. Their boneheadedness AKA "Bald Monkey Strategy" is gonna continue to bite them hard.
As much as everyone wants to hate on Google, I bet many of you don't know that there are a number of (very!) influential developers at Google that absolutely HATE what has become of Android... let alone trying to program for the nasty Bastard-OS. No joke. Rubin is gone, and there are whispers of dissent whether Google should continue to try and shoe-horn services into a "layered cake" software, rather than go straight to "pure Chrome".
Considering that Google isn't making anything on Android at all, MS taking a chunk of the pie for patents, and iOS supplying the majority of mobile-ad income... I think the days of "Google Android" are numbered.
iOS and Tizen will comprise the Mobile OS War of the future... with forked versions of Android, Win8, and the remains of BB10 scurrying all over the place like worker ants picking up crumbs.
if Nokia can't get these Windows phones to sell, Microsnot may have to buy Nokia, dump their OEM phone licensing program and do it on their own and fail.
Tizen will probably fail, just like Bada didn't catch on. Samsung is just confusing people, because they themselves are confused.
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Originally Posted by drblank
if Nokia can't get these Windows phones to sell, Microsnot may have to buy Nokia, dump their OEM phone licensing program and do it on their own and fail.
Tizen will probably fail, just like Bada didn't catch on. Samsung is just confusing people, because they themselves are confused.
If Nokia can't sell Win Phones that would mean that Win Phone is unsellable because Nokia's hardware is decent. Microsoft would have only one recourse, but it would not be to buy Nokia. They would license it free to all manufacturers to try to gain market share, just like Android. Then try to halo effect their way into an ecosystem. If Win Phone finally catches on as a free alternative to Android then Microsoft will stab the OEMs in the back and start making their own phones. But when considered in light of the less then stellar sales of their Surface tablets, I don't think anything Windows 8 has much cache among consumers, perhaps not even enterprise.
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Originally Posted by mstone
If Nokia can't sell Win Phones that would mean that Win Phone is unsellable because Nokia's hardware is decent. Microsoft would have only one recourse, but it would not be to buy Nokia. They would license it free to all manufacturers to try to gain market share, just like Android. Then try to halo effect their way into an ecosystem. If Win Phone finally catches on as a free alternative to Android then Microsoft will stab the OEMs in the back and start making their own phones. But when considered in light of the less then stellar sales of their Surface tablets, I don't think anything Windows 8 has much cache among consumers, perhaps not even enterprise.
I think Windows 8, WIndows 8 phones, Surface RT appeals to the people that bought Zunes. The hardcore Microsoft fans that just will buy anything Microsoft puts out regardless of how good it is. It's too bad most companies force their users to only use Windows. It would be interesting if EVERY company decided to give the users the choice of Windows boxes or OS X boxes and after 5 years, what the REAL market share would be. I'm sure Apple would probably do about 35%. At companies that do allow users to choose they can go upwards of 35% of the users using OS X. That would be a HUGE leap in revenues for Apple and they probably couldn't keep up with demand of the hardware if they jumped from 7% to 35%. In the US they are at around 12 to 14% of what's being shipped and that number is 3x what it was 6 years ago from what Apple was shipping in the US.
There's hardcore Microsoft fans??:err: