Samsung co-CEO pushes Tizen OS as more than a 'simple alternative for Android'

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  • Reply 81 of 172
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member
    lakings33 wrote: »
    A little more information on what Tizen is composed of (dating back to Maemo in 2005):

    800px-Mer_and_mobile_operating_systems.svg.png


    Kind of dysfunctional if you think about it.
  • Reply 82 of 172
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member
    It looks like what IBM did a long time ago. They were nvolved with projects with Apple on the Taligent project, OS/2 with Microsoft, they bought out Metaphor systems and what they were doing is trying to figure out the future for an OS. What did they end up doing. Dumping OS2, canceling the Taligent project and eventually dumping Windows. Why? Couldn't figure out how to make any money.
  • Reply 83 of 172
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    aross99 wrote: »
    Is Tizen going to run Android Apps?.

    Probably at first. Then, over time, they'll drift apart and you'll have the same mess that you have in Android - only half the phones in use capable of running a recent version of the OS and apps. Tizen will simply compound the fragmentation mess.

    I like the music player... Reminds me of the 70's and 80's.

    Except that a large fraction of the users and developers won't even know what a vinyl record is.
  • Reply 84 of 172
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nikilok View Post


     


    Besides the Linux Kernel, Tizen's carrying over baggage code / utility from Maemo, Moblin, MeeGo, LiMo and Baba.


    That's the problem! Tizen's slow as sh*t, watch it here in action if you want proof.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7cPEQpxsNE


     


    Beta or not, the very fundamentals of the OS seems blocky and unfinished.





    A beta looking unfinished, how shocking!


     


    Bada is a decent OS, I doubt Tizen will be a step backward.

  • Reply 85 of 172
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KDarling View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post



    PS tedious thing, to delete all the html stuff from your posts when quoting. Do you have the same issue when quoting someone else?


     


    Try clearing your cache.  I saw the editor stuck sometimes on HTML for the past few days until I did so.  I think something changed.



    There are two editors. TinyMCE which is the WYSIWYG style editor and the BBcode editor which is a more simplified mark up language.


     


    If one person is using TinyMCE, which adds a bunch of redundant and useless HTML, is quoted by someone using BBcode then there will be inconsistencies because BBcode does not support HTML directly.

  • Reply 86 of 172
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member
    The folks that should be really sacred are those up in Redmond. At any given time, Nokia may decide to take back their business and use code that they actually helped develop. The only thing holding them back is Elop being an MS guy at the helm. However, that captain of the ship may be looking at a possible mutiny if Nokia petitions their government to save them from sinking into the abyss.

    Another thing to take away from Tizen: Unix/Linux based OS. MS and the NT Kernel is not looking well these days, especially because it's so bloated. I've stated before that MS missed their big opportunity to ditch their sucky kernel and go with a scalable UNIX/Linux variant back when dev'ing Longhorn. Their boneheadedness AKA "Bald Monkey Strategy" is gonna continue to bite them hard.

    As much as everyone wants to hate on Google, I bet many of you don't know that there are a number of (very!) influential developers at Google that absolutely HATE what has become of Android... let alone trying to program for the nasty Bastard-OS. No joke. Rubin is gone, and there are whispers of dissent whether Google should continue to try and shoe-horn services into a "layered cake" software, rather than go straight to "pure Chrome".

    Considering that Google isn't making anything on Android at all, MS taking a chunk of the pie for patents, and iOS supplying the majority of mobile-ad income... I think the days of "Google Android" are numbered.

    iOS and Tizen will comprise the Mobile OS War of the future... with forked versions of Android, Win8, and the remains of BB10 scurrying all over the place like worker ants picking up crumbs. :smokey:
  • Reply 87 of 172
    philboogie wrote: »
    Looks different, kinda nice. Gotta respect hand it to Samsung for coming up with this. But whatever happened to their other OS, Bada?

    700

    If you ignore the rainbow wallpaper, and just look at the icons and time+weather widgets, how is it any different from their S-skinned Android UI?
  • Reply 88 of 172
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post



    The folks that should be really sacred are those up in Redmond. At any given time, Nokia may decide to take back their business and use code that they actually helped develop. The only thing holding them back is Elop being an MS guy at the helm. However, that captain of the ship may be looking at a possible mutiny if Nokia petitions their government to save them from sinking into the abyss.


    Microsoft has already paid Nokia $1 billion to abandon Symbian. There is no going back at this point. Microsoft is losing money on every Nokia phone. If anyone is going to back out it will be Microsoft. Then Nokia will have to pay a higher royalty to MS for Windows Phone OS. Maybe then the government will have to bail them out. Either way, if Windows Phone becomes successful, Nokia will be successful, but if not, Nokia is toast.

  • Reply 89 of 172
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    blackbook wrote: »
    Great.

    So now it looks even MORE like iOS.

    When will Scamdung ever learn?

    No, it looks like MeegOS, which Titzen is.

    1000
  • Reply 90 of 172


    Not sure how this news fits in with all the reports that came out about a month ago claiming that Tizen was going to be scrapped/shelved by Samsung in favor of a Samsung fork of android....

  • Reply 91 of 172
    solomansoloman Posts: 228member
    jungmark wrote: »
    Android doesn't even run all Android apps seamlessly. :)

    Same could be said about iOS and will become more prominent once iOS 7 gets released.
  • Reply 92 of 172
    solomansoloman Posts: 228member
    Motorola ditched Motoblur for stock Android? But but but Motorola is an independently operated company! /s

    Motoblur sucked that's why.
  • Reply 93 of 172
    solomansoloman Posts: 228member
    drblank wrote: »
    Nope because it's a subjective thing.

    Subjective and biased are 2 different things.
  • Reply 94 of 172
    jakeb wrote: »
    It's weird. If Google is taking some customers by using stock Android, rather than Samsung's weird version... Samsung is totally free to use stock android also. Instead, they're going to make an entirely new OS.

    Samsung was never about supporting Google's cause. For Samsung, Android was always a quick on-ramp to the iPhone era of smartphones.
  • Reply 95 of 172
    gwmacgwmac Posts: 1,806member


    I think that even if Samsung decided they eventually wanted to switch completely to Tizen in the future this will be a very slow process while they continue to offer versions in both Android and Tizen. This could last for several years until they think they could fully make the switch. Maybe they will offer the Galaxy S5 in both Android and Tizen versions. Tizen will also need to be able to run Android apps at native or close to native speed for customers to even consider it. 

  • Reply 96 of 172
    rogifan wrote: »

    Liquid damage gate.

    They'll never report it. That controversy is not Apple enough.
  • Reply 97 of 172
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post



    The folks that should be really sacred are those up in Redmond. At any given time, Nokia may decide to take back their business and use code that they actually helped develop. The only thing holding them back is Elop being an MS guy at the helm. However, that captain of the ship may be looking at a possible mutiny if Nokia petitions their government to save them from sinking into the abyss.



    Another thing to take away from Tizen: Unix/Linux based OS. MS and the NT Kernel is not looking well these days, especially because it's so bloated. I've stated before that MS missed their big opportunity to ditch their sucky kernel and go with a scalable UNIX/Linux variant back when dev'ing Longhorn. Their boneheadedness AKA "Bald Monkey Strategy" is gonna continue to bite them hard.



    As much as everyone wants to hate on Google, I bet many of you don't know that there are a number of (very!) influential developers at Google that absolutely HATE what has become of Android... let alone trying to program for the nasty Bastard-OS. No joke. Rubin is gone, and there are whispers of dissent whether Google should continue to try and shoe-horn services into a "layered cake" software, rather than go straight to "pure Chrome".



    Considering that Google isn't making anything on Android at all, MS taking a chunk of the pie for patents, and iOS supplying the majority of mobile-ad income... I think the days of "Google Android" are numbered.



    iOS and Tizen will comprise the Mobile OS War of the future... with forked versions of Android, Win8, and the remains of BB10 scurrying all over the place like worker ants picking up crumbs. image


    if Nokia can't get these Windows phones to sell, Microsnot may have to buy Nokia, dump their OEM phone licensing program and do it on their own and fail.


     


    Tizen will probably fail, just like Bada didn't catch on.  Samsung is just confusing people, because they themselves are confused.

  • Reply 98 of 172
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by drblank View Post




    if Nokia can't get these Windows phones to sell, Microsnot may have to buy Nokia, dump their OEM phone licensing program and do it on their own and fail.


     


    Tizen will probably fail, just like Bada didn't catch on.  Samsung is just confusing people, because they themselves are confused.



    If Nokia can't sell Win Phones that would mean that Win Phone is unsellable because Nokia's hardware is decent. Microsoft would have only one recourse, but it would not be to buy Nokia. They would license it free to all manufacturers to try to gain market share, just like Android. Then try to halo effect their way into an ecosystem. If Win Phone finally catches on as a free alternative to Android then Microsoft will stab the OEMs in the back and start making their own phones. But when considered in light of the less then stellar sales of their Surface tablets, I don't think anything Windows 8 has much cache among consumers, perhaps not even enterprise.

  • Reply 99 of 172
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    If Nokia can't sell Win Phones that would mean that Win Phone is unsellable because Nokia's hardware is decent. Microsoft would have only one recourse, but it would not be to buy Nokia. They would license it free to all manufacturers to try to gain market share, just like Android. Then try to halo effect their way into an ecosystem. If Win Phone finally catches on as a free alternative to Android then Microsoft will stab the OEMs in the back and start making their own phones. But when considered in light of the less then stellar sales of their Surface tablets, I don't think anything Windows 8 has much cache among consumers, perhaps not even enterprise.



    I think Windows 8, WIndows 8 phones, Surface RT appeals to the people that bought Zunes.  The hardcore Microsoft fans that just will buy anything Microsoft puts out regardless of how good it is.  It's too bad most companies force their users to only use Windows.  It would be interesting if EVERY company decided to give the users the choice of Windows boxes or OS X boxes and after 5 years, what the REAL market share would be.  I'm sure Apple would probably do about 35%.  At companies that do allow users to choose they can go upwards of 35% of the users using OS X.  That would be a HUGE leap in revenues for Apple and they probably couldn't keep up with demand of the hardware if they jumped from 7% to 35%. In the US they are at around 12 to 14% of what's being shipped and that number is 3x what it was 6 years ago from what Apple was shipping in the US.

  • Reply 100 of 172
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,088member
    drblank wrote: »
    I think Windows 8, WIndows 8 phones, Surface RT appeals to the people that bought Zunes.  The hardcore Microsoft fans that just will buy anything Microsoft puts out regardless of how good it is.

    There's hardcore Microsoft fans??:err:
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