2014 is the year Google and Samsung go to war with each other. Their key interests and goals are in complete conflict
For Google, their relationship with their main distribution arm is going to breakdown. Likely via Samsung forking Android or a substantial re-balancing of the key business terms (e.g. rev share on search advertising). It is a matter of when. Poof - 50% of Google's mobile business is at risk
For Samsung, Google is aggressively entering the hardware space - Moto X, Nexus 7. In particular, the Nexus 7 ensures that all OEMs including Samsung have zero chance of ever making any material profits in the tablet space. Google's goal is $0 hardware. It is in complete conflict with its OEM partners
I'm going to enjoy this shi* show over the next 18 months. The net net is it will benefit Apple
What it reminds me most of is the UI for the DOS office system 'SmartWare' from the late 1980s. And I hated SmartWare (because it was useless). In other words, the UI concept is about 25 years old.
I don't think Jonny Ive has got anything to worry about.
Is Tizen going to run Android Apps? If not, then aren't they going to face an uphill battle with developers who don't want to port their applications to a new OS? Without the core apps, who is going to buy these phones?
I agree that the more ecosystems the better for Apple, and I would love to see Samsung dump Android, but it seems like the lack of apps would be a huge issue for them...
And today's news .... Google sues Samsung for copying their Android codes!
Thats the funny part, when Amazon highjack Android to build its own ecosystem there was nothing Google can do about it because its open source. Amazon can even continu to update its OS using google own code.
This brings me to apps, do Android apps work on that Samsung OS?
Interesting - at least that screen shot makes it look like a less cluttered Samdroid phone. Seems like another company has announced and is shipping betas of a cleaner, lighter OS. Could it be... gasp ...iOS 7? What a coincidence.
I do appreciate the general palette choice for the colors as dork (or is that dark) is the new light. Gloomy.
Good luck fellas creating a new ecosystem to compete with the 2 big boys that count now. I have this nagging feeling that several companies can tell you how easy it is (of course without the heavy entrenchment by those two others so things may be a bit tougher) e.g., HPalm's webOS, Microsoft's old Sidekick Danger just turned out to be some inbred Kin, Sammy where is Bada? /s
Round icons are fundamentally flawed and highly inefficient in such a small UI. That is what you get when you put Samsung and Intel together - out of the gate, a substantial, structural mistake
I'm sure Samsung will sell their Galaxy lines with Android and Tizen back to back. As long as they can sell their hardware with android I doubt they would ever abandon the platform.
Samsung building an Eco System. Lets see now Microsoft tried, with limited amount of success. Blackberry did with not much success, oh and all these companies have a history of building software systems, now think again. Yes ?
It's weird. If Google is taking some customers by using stock Android, rather than Samsung's weird version... Samsung is totally free to use stock android also. Instead, they're going to make an entirely new OS.
Samsung's potential Android alternative, Tizen, is part of the Linux Foundation, and is governed by a technical steering group composed of Samsung and Intel. It supports both ARM and x86 processors, and is designed for smartphones, tablets, in-vehicle navigation systems, television sets and more.
In a timely announcement today Intel says they're going after the education market themselves with two new tablet offerings designed specifically for schools. 7" and 10" display, atom-processors yada yada. Cheap and designed for bulk purchases, with education-centric accessories like temp probes and magnifying attachments included.
And as the other half of that Tizen group of course the OS they'll be running is. . .
Looks different, kinda nice. Gotta [S]respect[/S] hand it to Samsung for coming up with this. But whatever happened to their other OS, [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada]Bada[/URL]?
What it reminds me most of is the UI for the DOS office system 'SmartWare' from the late 1980s. And I hated SmartWare (because it was useless). In other words, the UI concept is about 25 years old.
I don't think Jonny Ive has got anything to worry about.
The UI can be improved over time. Like the black flat background could be replaced with dynamic effects like iOS 7's blured transparency.
The primary reason they are focusing on Tizen is to basically be able to do what Apple does today, with there controlled safe eco system. Samsung can only control all those factors by starting from scratch.
Edit : Oh yeah, they are unsure about what Google's direction can be with Android and the fact that Google being Samsungs competitor with the Moto X.
Are there any icons that they can use without being criticized?
+1
Lets face it, those particular round icons aren't great. But is iOS shipped with round, which I could see, would opinions be the same? Apple OSs already have lots of round...
Is Tizen going to run Android Apps? If not, then aren't they going to face an uphill battle with developers who don't want to port their applications to a new OS? Without the core apps, who is going to buy these phones?
I agree that the more ecosystems the better for Apple, and I would love to see Samsung dump Android, but it seems like the lack of apps would be a huge issue for them...
Alien Dalvik and other ports of the Dalvik VM enables most Android apps to run on Meego, Maemo, BlackBerry OS 10, iOS (yes, you can run Android apps on Apple devices if you're jailbroken and install Alien Dalvik), etc... So running Android apps on Tizen shouldn't be a problem...
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For Google, their relationship with their main distribution arm is going to breakdown. Likely via Samsung forking Android or a substantial re-balancing of the key business terms (e.g. rev share on search advertising). It is a matter of when. Poof - 50% of Google's mobile business is at risk
For Samsung, Google is aggressively entering the hardware space - Moto X, Nexus 7. In particular, the Nexus 7 ensures that all OEMs including Samsung have zero chance of ever making any material profits in the tablet space. Google's goal is $0 hardware. It is in complete conflict with its OEM partners
I'm going to enjoy this shi* show over the next 18 months. The net net is it will benefit Apple
I agree that the more ecosystems the better for Apple, and I would love to see Samsung dump Android, but it seems like the lack of apps would be a huge issue for them...
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Originally Posted by Disturbia
And today's news .... Google sues Samsung for copying their Android codes!
Thats the funny part, when Amazon highjack Android to build its own ecosystem there was nothing Google can do about it because its open source. Amazon can even continu to update its OS using google own code.
This brings me to apps, do Android apps work on that Samsung OS?
I do appreciate the general palette choice for the colors as dork (or is that dark) is the new light. Gloomy.
Good luck fellas creating a new ecosystem to compete with the 2 big boys that count now. I have this nagging feeling that several companies can tell you how easy it is (of course without the heavy entrenchment by those two others so things may be a bit tougher) e.g., HPalm's webOS, Microsoft's old Sidekick Danger just turned out to be some inbred Kin, Sammy where is Bada? /s
Round icons are fundamentally flawed and highly inefficient in such a small UI. That is what you get when you put Samsung and Intel together - out of the gate, a substantial, structural mistake
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Buy Boxee because you can't make their own - check
Copy (steal) from iOS and Android then claim to be the best and most innovative - check
Never make or create anything on your own - check
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Originally Posted by Sigma7
Yes. Any problem?
Samsung building an Eco System. Lets see now Microsoft tried, with limited amount of success. Blackberry did with not much success, oh and all these companies have a history of building software systems, now think again. Yes ?
In a timely announcement today Intel says they're going after the education market themselves with two new tablet offerings designed specifically for schools. 7" and 10" display, atom-processors yada yada. Cheap and designed for bulk purchases, with education-centric accessories like temp probes and magnifying attachments included.
And as the other half of that Tizen group of course the OS they'll be running is. . .
Android?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Intel-announces-two-Atom-based-Android-tablets-for-school-use_id46095
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Originally Posted by CogitoDexter
Just had a look at the Tizen UI overview at https://developer.tizen.org/documentation/ux-guide/ui-overview
Oh boy, is that UI hideous or what?
What it reminds me most of is the UI for the DOS office system 'SmartWare' from the late 1980s. And I hated SmartWare (because it was useless). In other words, the UI concept is about 25 years old.
I don't think Jonny Ive has got anything to worry about.
The UI can be improved over time. Like the black flat background could be replaced with dynamic effects like iOS 7's blured transparency.
The primary reason they are focusing on Tizen is to basically be able to do what Apple does today, with there controlled safe eco system. Samsung can only control all those factors by starting from scratch.
Edit : Oh yeah, they are unsure about what Google's direction can be with Android and the fact that Google being Samsungs competitor with the Moto X.
Three rights make a left!
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Originally Posted by MacApfel
Well, they are the perfect shape for the clock icon.
I like the music player... Reminds me of the 70's and 80's.
Sure that's not an Android screenshot? Looks like fonts match, notification bar, weather widget...?
+1
Lets face it, those particular round icons aren't great. But is iOS shipped with round, which I could see, would opinions be the same? Apple OSs already have lots of round...
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Originally Posted by aross99
Is Tizen going to run Android Apps? If not, then aren't they going to face an uphill battle with developers who don't want to port their applications to a new OS? Without the core apps, who is going to buy these phones?
I agree that the more ecosystems the better for Apple, and I would love to see Samsung dump Android, but it seems like the lack of apps would be a huge issue for them...
Alien Dalvik and other ports of the Dalvik VM enables most Android apps to run on Meego, Maemo, BlackBerry OS 10, iOS (yes, you can run Android apps on Apple devices if you're jailbroken and install Alien Dalvik), etc... So running Android apps on Tizen shouldn't be a problem...