Samsung co-CEO pushes Tizen OS as more than a 'simple alternative for Android'

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  • Reply 61 of 172

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    Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post


    Shockingly, these icons actually look good. Very clean, refined, and consistent. Why are Samsung's touchwiz icons such shit in comparison? 


     


    As for Tizen, I hope to God they have the hubris and idiocy to do this. It would screw Google, as well as themselves over in one blow. 



    The icons look to have evolved from MeeGo


     


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  • Reply 62 of 172
    nikiloknikilok Posts: 383member




    Originally Posted by nikilok View Post



    Samsung building an Eco System. Lets see now Microsoft tried, with limited amount of success. Blackberry did with not much success, oh and all these companies have a history of building software systems, now think again. Yes ?




     


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    Originally Posted by Soloman View Post





    So what's the solution to that problem? Should they just stop trying? All go with Android?


     


     


    If anyone can take a shot at the industry leaders today with a new Eco System, its by doing something in a way that's radically new and fresh , at the same time have a better User Experience than the rest. 


     


    In short anything that's not leaps ahead than the existing ones are going to have a tough time and will eventually meet its demise.


     


    PS: I notice you say , all go with Android ! Lol tell's me your one of those Android users waiting to jump the Android ship :D

  • Reply 63 of 172
    nagrommenagromme Posts: 2,834member
    Credit where due: vinyl IS the next big thing in digital music!
  • Reply 64 of 172

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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post



    Samsung:

    Let's throw more crap at the wall to see what sticks.


     


    I was thinking more along the lines of Samsung wanting to build something they can cram all the crapware (and worse) that they want into.


     


    I figure that sure, they're able to do that in Android now, but Android can be jailbroken (and usually is done precisely to get rid of the crapware). This both offers an 'out' for those who hate crapware, and a means to control just how egregious Samsung can get about it.


     


    Now with their own mobile OS, Samsung can not only impose their own crapware that can be practically un-removeable, but they can also charge carriers and app-makers for the dubious privilege of installing even more crapware... and I bet the bootloader will brick if you so much as think of jailbreaking or (gasp!) installing your favorite Android mod onto the phone.

  • Reply 65 of 172

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    Originally Posted by LAKings33 View Post


    The icons look to have evolved from MeeGo



     


    Good call - the underlying OS may have its own ancestry, though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada


     


    "On 25 February 2013, Samsung announced that it will stop developing Bada, moving development to Tizen instead"

  • Reply 66 of 172


    I think this is the best move Samsung could probably make. I encourage them 100%. I need my AAPL stock to rise.

  • Reply 67 of 172

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    Originally Posted by Penguinisto View Post


     


    Good call - the underlying OS may have its own ancestry, though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada


     


    "On 25 February 2013, Samsung announced that it will stop developing Bada, moving development to Tizen instead"



    That's what I pointed out above in the chart.


     


    The evolution from Maemo, Moblin, MeeGo, LiMo and Baba, all to become Tizen.

  • Reply 68 of 172
    nikiloknikilok Posts: 383member

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    Originally Posted by Penguinisto View Post


    and I bet the bootloader will brick if you so much as think of jailbreaking or (gasp!) installing your favorite Android mod onto the phone.



     


    If there were any such known techniques Apple would have done that to prevent iOS jail breaks by now..


    Perhaps Samsung's not planning on abandoning Android, they just want a saftey card so Google doesn't play hankie panky with them :)

  • Reply 69 of 172


    I don't think there is room for a 3rd (or 4th if you count Microsoft) ecosystem, we're already seeing the Ubuntu phone struggling with getting off the ground. Besides it will cause a lot of confusion here at AI, will the android haters become Tizen haters or will the camp be split. AI is already covering way too much Google/Android news now we're going to have pages of Tizen news as well, sheesh.


     


    My guess is they may limit it to low end semi-smartphones and keep android for the high end.

  • Reply 70 of 172
    nikiloknikilok Posts: 383member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LAKings33 View Post


    That's what I pointed out above in the chart.


     


    The evolution from Maemo, Moblin, MeeGo, LiMo and Baba, all to become Tizen.



     


    Right sounds very promising, the core of Tizen are a bunch of Scrapped out OS !


     


    Hmmm now lets see how that compares to the competition iOS foundation , Unix / Mac OS X !


     


    I think Tizen should be shown the window already :D

  • Reply 71 of 172
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

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    Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff View Post


    That is your players list. 



     


    It's demonstrably difficult to predict the long term future of phone makers, though.


     


    Eight years ago, who could have predicted the sharp fall of Nokia, Blackberry and WinMo?  Or that HTC, who used to be the ODM for many of the world's phones, would go out on their own, to rise and then stumble.


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    One solid fact that we have learned from smartphone history, is that once any player gets too held back by legacy support (hardware and/or software and/or UI), then they become extremely vulnerable in the face of the next disruptive technology or fad.


     


    That's why the big changes always seem to come from newcomers.


     


    Therefore, it would not be too surprising if a new player arose in the next decade, say in China, and threw another big wrench into the works.  Not predicting it, but anything is possible.


     


    We'll have to come back to this thread in 2023 and review what's happened :)

  • Reply 72 of 172
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,480member

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    Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post


     


    I wonder if they're naive enough to think they can run on the popularity of their Galaxy phones?



    I think they are in a better position than many give them credit for.  I don't like them at all, but I believe this is a major blow to google.  They loyalty to Android is from Geeks. The majority of people buying Samsung phones know they are buying a S4 or whatever.  Samsung has already replaced many of the new Android features with their own versions that they are pushing as exclusives to them.  Android will take a big drop next year and because this is not a fork, the pundits will not be able to try to attribute their sales to Google like they have with Amazon's.

  • Reply 73 of 172

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    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


    If Samsung is smart, Tizen should be a bridge from Android, not an alternative.  If a Tizen phone cannot at least initially run Android apps for instance it will never take off at all. 



    Shhhh.....????

  • Reply 74 of 172
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member

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    Originally Posted by nikilok View Post


     


    Right sounds very promising, the core of Tizen are a bunch of Scrapped out OS !


     


    Hmmm now lets see how that compares to the competition iOS foundation , Unix / Mac OS X !


     


    I think Tizen should be shown the window already :D





    Tizen has a Linux kernel, iOS has a Unix kernel.

  • Reply 75 of 172

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    Originally Posted by KDarling View Post


    Eight years ago, who could have predicted the sharp fall of Nokia, Blackberry and WinMo?  



    6 years and 7 months ago, many of us did....

  • Reply 76 of 172
    nikiloknikilok Posts: 383member

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    Originally Posted by KDarling View Post


     


    It's demonstrably difficult to predict the long term future of phone makers, though.


     


    Eight years ago, who could have predicted the sharp fall of Nokia, Blackberry and WinMo?  Or that HTC, who used to be the ODM for many of the world's phones, would go out on their own, to rise and then stumble.


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    One solid fact that we have learned from smartphone history, is that once any player gets too held back by legacy support (hardware and/or software and/or UI), then they become extremely vulnerable in the face of the next disruptive technology or fad.


     


    That's why the big changes always seem to come from newcomers.


     


    Therefore, it would not be too surprising if a new player arose in the next decade, say in China, and threw another big wrench into the works.  Not predicting it, but anything is possible.


     


    We'll have to come back to this thread in 2023 and review what's happened :)



     


    An OS for a mobile device with desktop class capabilities is architectured to evolve in so many different directions.


    Take a look at the first Mac OS and what its evolved into today on the desktop.


    And notice how it was branched out for mobile computing.


    Its the foundation that Apple has that will let it evolve in a beautiful manner.


    I wont be surprised if the future of iOS was streaming its UI directly to your brain, to interact with just your thoughts :P

  • Reply 77 of 172
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    kdarling wrote: »
    One solid fact that we have learned from smartphone history, is that once any player gets too held back by legacy support (hardware and/or software and/or UI), then they become extremely vulnerable in the face of the next disruptive technology or fad.

    That's why the big changes always seem to come from newcomers.

    Therefore, it would not be too surprising if a new player arose in the next decade, say in China, and threw another big wrench into the works.  Not predicting it, but anything is possible.

    In general, sure, anything is possible. But I don't see any other hardware company having the same finesse in creating software, and the focus on UE, other than Apple. Reverse hardware and software; I still don't see anyone other than Apple.

    PS tedious thing, to delete all the <span> html stuff from your posts when quoting. Do you have the same issue when quoting someone else?
  • Reply 78 of 172
    nikiloknikilok Posts: 383member

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    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post




    Tizen has a Linux kernel, iOS has a Unix kernel.



     


    Besides the Linux Kernel, Tizen's carrying over baggage code / utility from Maemo, Moblin, MeeGo, LiMo and Bada.


    That's the problem! Tizen's slow as sh*t, watch it here in action if you want proof.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7cPEQpxsNE


     


    Beta or not, the very fundamentals of the OS seems blocky and unfinished.

  • Reply 79 of 172
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post



    PS tedious thing, to delete all the html stuff from your posts when quoting. Do you have the same issue when quoting someone else?


     


    Try clearing your cache.  I saw the editor stuck sometimes on HTML for the past few days until I did so.  I think something changed.

  • Reply 80 of 172
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member
    soloman wrote: »
    Are there any icons that they can use without being criticized?

    Nope because it's a subjective thing.
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