Android on 80% of smartphones shipped in Q2, while Apple's iPhone took 13%

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  • Reply 41 of 148
    just_mejust_me Posts: 590member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nikilok View Post



    This is really the old trick in the book whereby if someone sells more it meant they have won.



    Hypothetical example Samy sells 100 eggs for 1$ each , Steve sells 30 eggs for 10$ each. Whose won the race ?



    Sure Samy got it to 100 ppl while Steve only to 30 people.



    Samy made 100$ , while Steve made 300$.

    Hope this settles the question about whose winning the race. iOS (Apple) or Android( Samsung , HTC, Google, Sony and tons of smaller players that aren't popular)


    2013Q2


     


    Apple: 6.9 Billion


    Samsung 6.98 Billion

  • Reply 42 of 148
    thedbathedba Posts: 757member

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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    Weren't most Macs during that time period used in desktop publishing? Sure, Adobe/Quark got a little slow on the Mac updates but that didn't stop anyone in graphic arts from getting the work done. Windows won the desktop market share because of billions of office drones in their cubicles. That wasn't even a market Apple was addressing. Macs were much more expensive as well. Personally I'm using the about same number of apps now that I was back then with the exception of Internet related apps. I never felt any shortage of apps though. Windows just sucked but most Mac users didn't even know anything about Windows other than every file they received from a Windows user was pure garbage from a desktop publishing perspective.





    If you were in desktop publishing, that is true. You most likely worked on a Mac.


    For the rest of us however, if you didn't have Wordperfect, Lotus 1-2-3 in the business world, or Turbo-C, Turbo Pascal in the academic world then might as well not have a computer. Also today the world is much more cross-platform than back in the older days.You couldn't just export a wordperfect file onto a Mac and then edit it.

  • Reply 43 of 148
    nelsonx wrote: »
    It certainly looks like Android has already win "the game". I didn't expect that Windows-Mac history to repeat again. At least not as fast! And it looks like in 2-3 years Windows will catch iOS! Can Apple turn the ship around? I doubt. They've just lost so many oportunities. They were kings 2-3 years ago and now...

    I do enjoy reading revisionist fiction like this which claims Macs once lead PCs in sales and then Windows eventually beat the Mac. The Mac has never outsold PCs, be they running MS-DOS or Windows.
  • Reply 44 of 148
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    mstone wrote: »
    13% sounds about right. iPhone always was a luxury brand.

    Absolutely. Keep in mind that when Steve said that Apple would get 1% (or 2% or whatever) of the phone market, everyone jeered.
    thedba wrote: »
    What most people don't realize with Windows vs Mac is that developers stopped developing for the latter back in the late 80's early 90's. That's what almost killed the entire company. Not necessarily the marketshare numbers.
    Today you can not say that about the app store. A developer would be in the business of "going out of business" if he didn't develop for the app store. Even Google wouldn't think of abandoning iOS at the moment.

    As for turning the ship around, where should Apple turn it? Away from profits?

    Very well said.
    nelsonx wrote: »
    Yeah, except Steve now sells only 13 eggs. Last year he did sell 30, and two years ago he sold 45. But not anymore. So, something must be wrong with Steve's eggs. Maybe, just maybe, Steve is too greedy and he's eggs are not worth the price he asks for them?

    Really? Please show where iPhone sales have been declining.

    Oops. You're wrong.
  • Reply 45 of 148
    nelsonxnelsonx Posts: 278member
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    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post



    I do enjoy reading revisionist fiction like this which claims Macs once lead PCs in sales and then Windows eventually beat the Mac. The Mac has never outsold PCs, be they running MS-DOS or Windows.

     

    Well, I'm not an expert but I do know that there were once two great Operating Systems and one of them ended up with over 90% marketshare and the other... By the way, wasn't Mac OS invented before MSDos or Windows? Everybody says Steve Jobs practically invented the personal computer! How come doesn't everybody have a Mac then? Why aren't games on Macs? Everybody loves games! Just look what people use most on the AppStore! Games! How come Mac lost the games battle to Windows? Who's falt is that?
  • Reply 46 of 148
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,233member


    I'd like to know what qualifies as a "smartphone." Nokia led the mobile phone industry and Android-based mobile phones lead now. All that happened is the Android replaced Symbian (or whatever it was). If a simple phone qualifies as a smartphone if it has Android on it, then we're not comparing toy phones with smartphones. Apple only sells smartphones; a mobile phone with an OS capable of performing more than just managing a phone call. Without anything to support my comment, I would suggest 50% or more of those Android smartphones do very little other than make calls and text. They old phones had a simple web browser but unless a smartphone actually uses it, I can't see calling them a smartphone. Are there any non-smartphones even being manufacturered anymore or is everything a smartphone?

  • Reply 47 of 148
    nelsonxnelsonx Posts: 278member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post



    Absolutely. Keep in mind that when Steve said that Apple would get 1% (or 2% or whatever) of the phone market, everyone jeered.

    Very well said.

    Really? Please show where iPhone sales have been declining.



    Oops. You're wrong.

     

    If you want to pretend that you don't understand what I'm saying, then yeah, I'm wrong.
  • Reply 48 of 148
    cyniccynic Posts: 124member

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    Originally Posted by herbapou View Post


     


    That didnt happen last year.  Hopefully we wont have a repeat of the mac. Apple need to avoid getting its phone and tablet market go to a niche, which will kill the ecosystem because apps are going to show up on Android first and maybe Apple after.



     


    I don't think this is going to end like this.


     


    Apple always had, and this grew even stronger over the past 10 years or so, a strong developer community, which was passionate about the platform. They developed and do develop for iOS and OS X because they love the platform and not because of its market share, they're enthusiasts.


     


    Nowadays it would be pretty hard to find any big name software not present on the Mac, despite its market share. Many small indie developers develop fantastic software and actually manage to get great profits in this ecosystem, whereas they probably wouldn't amongst all the crapware in the Microsoft ecosystem. Mac users have also proven to be specifically looking for beautiful and functional software, while being very willing to actually put their money into it. This is very different to the other big market. As such, it can be more profitable to cater for a small ecosystem than for a big one.


     


    Also, don't forget that all of this Android market share, where we all knew it was leading by large margins for quite a while now, at least supposedly, doesn't translate into usage share or developer revenue at all.

  • Reply 49 of 148
    nikiloknikilok Posts: 383member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Just_Me View Post


    2013Q2


     


    Apple: 6.9 Billion


    Samsung 6.98 Billion



     


    Oh boy, your comparing samsung operating profits not net.


    Plus your talking about Samsung that makes fridges, toaster etc.


     


    Here you go read up a little :)


    http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/27/samsung-has-not-dethroned-apple-in-mobile-profits

  • Reply 50 of 148
    solomansoloman Posts: 228member
    blackbook wrote: »
    I don't think Tim Cook and company are worried by these numbers.

    Apple has a lot of new product coming and that will push the needle back in their favor.

    Normally when a new iPhone comes, sales double. This year with the possibility of 2 new iPhone models, I think we could easily see iPhone sales triple.

    I expect the most robust increases will come from emerging markets with the affordable iPhone eating all the competition up.

    Wasn't that supposed to happen with the iPad mini? Yet sales are down.
  • Reply 51 of 148
    cyniccynic Posts: 124member

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    Originally Posted by macslut View Post


     


    IDC releases multiple sets of numbers.  One is platform market share and another is by hardware.  Both are relevant to different sets of people.  Taking a look at these numbers, we see that Android OS grew faster during the period than iOS for smartphones, and while still in the distance, Windows Phone also grew faster than iOS for smartphones.


     


    If you're a developer or content provider, these numbers will impact decisions you might be making in regards to what platforms you're going to support.  This isn't to say supporting Android, with all its fragmentation is a better choice than iOS, but the market share of the platform (and its growth) is one criteria to consider.


     


    If you're a consumer, knowing that this report shows stronger growth for Android and Windows Phone, is again one criteria worth considering in your purchasing decision.


     


    As much as I love Apple, and the iPhone, the fact remains that this report is not good news for Apple.  That's not to say it's devastating news or that the numbers may change drastically the next time, but it is likely that developers, content providers and even consumers will react in accordance to them as well as the trends we see from this specific IDC type of report.


     


    This is also why "shipping" versus "sales" isn't as relevant as many seem to think.  Regardless of how many were shipped and given away in 2 for 1 bundles or never even sold, the report still has an impact of some unknown degree on developers, content providers, consumers, and ultimately investors.



     


    I disagree about such analyst numbers impacting any kind of content provider or developer decisions whatsoever. These people are not that stupid and actually know their own ecosystems, as well as competing ones extremely well and arguably much better than your random shareholder.


     


    Therefore, what these kinds of people actually look at is revenue and usage share. And that's where Android has traditionally fallen flat and still does. It could have 99% market share, heck it has been at around 80% worldwide for over a year now and guess what: developers still make multiple times the amount of money on iOS and some content providers such as the BBC report triple the interaction through iOS devices than through Android devices.


     


    People believe in what's real and not some arbitrary numbers pulled out of nowhere based on some questionable metric.

  • Reply 52 of 148
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    nelsonx wrote: »
    Well, I'm not an expert but I do know that there were once two great Operating Systems and one of them ended up with over 90% marketshare and the other... By the way, wasn't Mac OS invented before MSDos or Windows? Everybody says Steve Jobs practically invented the personal computer! How come doesn't everybody have a Mac then? Why aren't games on Macs? Everybody loves games! Just look what people use most on the AppStore! Games! How come Mac lost the games battle to Windows? Who's falt is that?

    Heard of the Apple I and II? That was the Beginning if the PC era. The Mac came out in 1984. DOS was already available and the Apple II was still chugging along.
    soloman wrote: »
    Wasn't that supposed to happen with the iPad mini? Yet sales are down.

    From yoy where Apple had a release of the iPad 3 last year and no new release this year? Shocked!
  • Reply 53 of 148
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    nelsonx wrote: »
    Well, I'm not an expert but I do know that there were once two great Operating Systems and one of them ended up with over 90% marketshare and the other... By the way, wasn't Mac OS invented before MSDos or Windows? Everybody says Steve Jobs practically invented the personal computer! How come doesn't everybody have a Mac then? Why aren't games on Macs? Everybody loves games! Just look what people use most on the AppStore! Games! How come Mac lost the games battle to Windows? Who's falt is that?

    Nelson, for matters of transparency, I HAVE to ask your age...
  • Reply 54 of 148
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    I must say I'm really sick of all these concern trolls that show up whenever market share statistics are released. Business Insider is a perfect example. Right now they have a click bait worthy article up about how Tim Cook has to be seriously worried about these awful iPhone marketshare figures. Figures that cannot be verified because no one outside of Apple releases any sales figures. So we have this mythical market and everyone's mythical share of that market. Excuse me if I have a hard time believing Henry Blodget or Jay Yarrow are really concerned about iPhone market share. And how many of these smartphones are cheap devices for China and India where Apple will most likely never compete. Apple doesn't need huge marketshare to be successful. They need really good products that people with disposable income want to buy. And they have that right now.
  • Reply 55 of 148
    realisticrealistic Posts: 1,154member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NelsonX View Post


    It certainly looks like Android has already win "the game". I didn't expect that Windows-Mac history to repeat again. At least not as fast! And it looks like in 2-3 years Windows will catch iOS! Can Apple turn the ship around? I doubt. They've just lost so many oportunities. They were kings 2-3 years ago and now...



    And it will happen with tablets as well. Apple only plays with top end of any market where quality/profit rule. Apple doesn't play in the race to bottom of markets game.

  • Reply 56 of 148
    solomansoloman Posts: 228member
    realistic wrote: »
    And it will happen with tablets as well. Apple only plays with top end of any market where quality/profit rule. Apple doesn't play in the race to bottom of markets game.

    Then what's the supposedly iPhone 5C? Race to the middle?
  • Reply 57 of 148
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    jragosta wrote: »
    Absolutely. Keep in mind that when Steve said that Apple would get 1% (or 2% or whatever) of the phone market, everyone jeered.
    Very well said.
    Really? Please show where iPhone sales have been declining.

    Oops. You're wrong.
    People seem to forget the difference between growth and decline in the rate of growth. Apple is selling more iPhones but the growth rate has slowed. Of course that will pick up again when new iPhones come out. And if Apple needs to be worried then so does Samsung as LG, Sony and these cheap Chinsese brands could easily take share away from them. The idea that every smartphone customer out there is Apple's to win/lose is idiotic.
  • Reply 58 of 148
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    Originally Posted by TheDBA View Post




     


    If you were in desktop publishing, that is true. You most likely worked on a Mac.


    For the rest of us however, if you didn't have Wordperfect, Lotus 1-2-3 in the business world, or Turbo-C, Turbo Pascal in the academic world then might as well not have a computer. Also today the world is much more cross-platform than back in the older days.You couldn't just export a wordperfect file onto a Mac and then edit it.



    I totally agree and I always had a Windows PC in addition to the Mac. Around 1994 I got my first Ultra Sparc. My original reply was in response to the theory that developers stopped developing apps for Mac. The apps you mentioned with the exception WP were never on a Mac to start with, and even WP was not a DTP application even though the files were simple to import into Quark or PageMaker. Some developers like Corel dabbled in Mac titles for awhile but, as I recall, by in large, the only developers who abandoned the Mac were the ones offering titles that Mac users didn't want anyway. In the 80s and early 90s I didn't know anyone using a Mac who wasn't in the arts in some fashion and that just wasn't a big enough market for Apple to thrive in. Seriously I don't know how they survived but I'm glad they did.

  • Reply 59 of 148
    nikiloknikilok Posts: 383member


    WHY Developers stay away from Android ??


     


    Ill tell you why, because I am a developer myself.


    Say I create an App and sell it for 1$ on Apple's App store, I actually make 70% of that money per individual buying my app.


    And on Apple's eco system tons of them buy those apps.


     


    I put the same thing on Google Play, what's gonna happen is your App gets purchased by the hacker community, that will then Publish your app for free on the internet and tons of other stores out there.




    Or even worse have it rebranded and make it look like there's and re-sell it back on Google Play.


     


    End of the day no one buys them. (Coz you can get a free version on the web)


     


    The state the Android eco system is, hardware manufacture's are making very less margin on the actual hardware.


    They actually then plan on making money over E-Services. Which again is all in ruins.


     


    Samsung's trying to promote there S-Hub and the rest , like Amazon promote there stores.. That just gives the hacker community more options to pirate your Apps for free or a cheaper price !


     


    What are developers doing today about it ?


     


    Sure ill make my app and put it on Apple's store make the money, and then make a lesser quality version of the app (dont care if it's got a few bugs) and put it in Google Play with ADs in it. Yeah so the developers really only planning on taking home AD revenues from Android.


     


    Sure there are more people out there to watch my AD's so ill end up making a little, but nothing even close to what I make on Apple's Store.


     


    Now really Androids still winning the race ?? It's what I said earlier Apple's taking home all the mobile profits..

  • Reply 60 of 148
    just_mejust_me Posts: 590member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nikilok View Post


     


    Oh boy, your comparing samsung operating profits not net.


    Plus your talking about Samsung that makes fridges, toaster etc.


     


    Here you go read up a little :)


    http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/27/samsung-has-not-dethroned-apple-in-mobile-profits



    You lose when you link to any DED articles. It is pointless.


     


    Both companies made lots of money last quarter. 

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