Everyone seems to forget all the shipment and market share reports by ANALyst are all Scientific Wild Ass Guesses. Remember in the Apple and Samsung court case when Samsung had to report their real sales? The numbers Samsung actually reported were substantially below what had been reported in the media up to that point. That is why I always considered all such media reports as pure SWAG, nothing more.
While that's most certainly true it is also old. I don't recall seeing many SGS 2 out in the wild so the sales numbers weren't that surprising but I do see a good amount of SGS 3/4 where I used to see nothing but iPhones.
Just because someone sells a lot of something does't make it any good. I guarantee that the 13% that bought iPhones are a whole lot happier than the 80% that bought substandard Android products.
"Google's Android operating system continues to dominate the smartphone segment in terms of shipped devices, with an 80 percent share in the latest quarter according to new data, while Apple's iPhone accounts for less and less of shipments in a growing market."
BULLSHIT.
Put up real stats, or stop posting this kind of garbage on apple insider.
Seriously, stop posting this kind of propaganda that is not based on any facts. IDC is a PR agency, not an independant analyst.
Sales numbers for android devices are not published by any manufacturers (because they would be embarassing).
"Google's Android operating system continues to dominate the smartphone segment in terms of shipped devices, with an 80 percent share in the latest quarter according to new data, while Apple's iPhone accounts for less and less of shipments in a growing market."
BULLSHIT.
Put up real stats, or stop posting this kind of garbage on apple insider.
Seriously, stop posting this kind of propaganda that is not based on any facts. IDC is a PR agency, not an independant analyst.
Sales numbers for android devices are not published by any manufacturers (because they would be embarassing).
IDC is quoted by Tim Cook. So I call BS on your BS
..,.but I do know that there were once two great Operating Systems and one of them ended up with over 90% marketshare and the other...
Windows was never a "great Operating System" in any form it took. Neither were the first Apple operating systems. OS X is another story altogether and a result of Apple starting over and coming up with a modern OS that abandoned outdated ideas. That's something that Microsoft never did as they heaped kludge upon kludge. It's how they ended up with messes like the Registry and DLLs that can be overwritten by subsequent application installations.
Microsoft sells operating systems. Apple doesn't sell operating systems-- they bundle them with Apple computers. Apple makes their money on hardware and they get people to pay more for hardware both by making better quality hardware and by putting a superior OS on the hardware. The same is true of phones and tablets.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
By the way, wasn't Mac OS invented before MSDos or Windows?
MS-DOS was originally Seattle Computer Products QDOS (which stood for "Quick and Dirty Operating System"). The name was later changed to 86-DOS prior to Microsoft licensing it from them in 1980 for $25K and then buying it from them in 1981 for $50K. It was a blatant copy of Digital Research's CP/M-80 ported to the 8086 family of processors. The first Mac was introduced in 1984.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
Everybody says Steve Jobs practically invented the personal computer!
No one who knows anything about the history of personal computers says that. The MITS (Micro Instrumentation and Telemetry Systems) Altair 8800 is considered by most to the the first mainstream personal computer, and it was introduced in 1975. The Altair, and competitors from Imsai, Cromemco, and others, ran the CP/M-80 operating system developed by Gary Kildall at Digital Research. CP/M-80 was the first popular microcomputer operating system to be used by many different hardware vendors, and many software packages were written for it, such as WordStar and dBase II.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
How come doesn't everybody have a Mac then? Why aren't games on Macs? Everybody loves games! Just look what people use most on the AppStore! Games! How come Mac lost the games battle to Windows? Who's falt is that?
A large percentage of people just buy whatever is cheap. That's why Hyundai and Kia sell so many more cars than Mercedes and Porsche do. It's not evidence that Hyundai and Kia makes better cars than Mercedes and Porsche do.
As to your claim that there "aren't games on Macs," that's just ignorance speaking. There are literally thousands of games for OS X in the Apple App Store. But you also over-estimate the demand for games. Most professionals are not playing MMORPGs and FPSs on their laptops. They are doing work, exchanging e-mails, and using the Internet.
"<span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Google's Android operating system continues to dominate the smartphone segment in terms of shipped devices, with an 80 percent share in the latest quarter according to new data, while Apple's iPhone accounts for less and less of shipments in a growing market."</span>
<span style="line-height:18px;">Put up real stats, or stop posting this kind of garbage on apple insider.</span>
<span style="line-height:18px;">Seriously, stop posting this kind of propaganda that is not based on any facts. IDC is a PR agency, not an independant analyst.</span>
<span style="line-height:18px;">Sales numbers for android devices are not published by any manufacturers (because they would be embarassing).</span>
They can hide sales numbers but they can't hide revenue. There's just no escaping the embarrassment.
[edit] There is no comparison with the "Windows story". People bought (and still buy...) Windows computers. They choose to work with a Windows computer.
The vast majority of people do not buy an Android phone. They buy a cheap phone or the one "recommended". Tomorrow they could buy a Samsung-Tizen phone as easily as an Android phone today. They couldn't care less about their operating system (besides some geeks ).
If you want to pretend that you don't understand what I'm saying, then yeah, I'm wrong.
You said "Yeah, except Steve now sells only 13 eggs. Last year he did sell 30, and two years ago he sold 45. But not anymore. So, something must be wrong with Steve's eggs. Maybe, just maybe, Steve is too greedy and he's eggs are not worth the price he asks for them?"
So you were suggesting that they sold fewer this year than in the past - which is clearly false.
It's not my fault that you insist on shooting off your mouth about things you don't understand.
You lose when you link to any DED articles. It is pointless.
Both companies made lots of money last quarter.
No he does not because DED actually used the press releases from samsung and apple for there government financial filings. So in essence your saying Samsung lied in its financial filing for the Korean Government and Apple lied in its 10Q.
Apple actually made more than Samsung Before taxes.
Not really. I'm not sure Apple will ever have the majority. It's not surprising that there are a lot of cheap phones sold, but Apple doesn't care about them.
But isn't Apple releasing a lower cost iphone? Seems like they care enough to compete in the lower cost space.....
You lose when you link to any DED articles. It is pointless.
Both companies made lots of money last quarter.
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Originally Posted by Mechanic
No he does not because DED actually used the press releases from samsung and apple for there government financial filings. So in essence your saying Samsung lied in its financial filing for the Korean Government and Apple lied in its 10Q.
Apple actually made more than Samsung Before taxes.
You can read both and find the truth for yourself.
Awesome, you pulled there financial reports out. nice .
And Like you mentioned that net profit of Samsung was spread across there entire range of products that include TV , Fridges, Washing machines, Microwaves, Component Manufacturing , EPC Contracts in Oil & Gas, Printers, Mobile Phones, Tablets, Phablets, Computer Monitors have I left anything else out ?
Funny that Just_Mehad a hard time comprehending they don't make anything as close to Apple's revenues in the mobile sector.
And like everyone knows Samsung is the highest profit raking licensee of Android.
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The vast majority of people do not buy an Android phone. They buy a cheap phone or the one "recommended". Tomorrow they could buy a Samsung-Tizen phone as easily as an Android phone today. They couldn't care less about their operating system (besides some geeks ).
Who do you think does the recommending?
It's people who do care about their operating system.
It's people who do care about their operating system.
Nope most of the recommending happens at retail stores.
Samsung's marketing budget, goes into paying Shills to talk high about there phones.
Its something everyone see's all over the place.
Samsung has retail programs in place that pay retailers cash for every serial number they report sold. They have a bunch of channel marketing companies running these programs in different countries.
So if the retailer is going to make money, with the customer buying a Samsung phone he'll bad mouth the iPhone / talk high about Samsung phones with ease.
Something very cool about NOT being the mainstream.
I always loved Apple products, but also their underdog, not mainstream, aura.
That is what makes certain products very desirable.
That EVERYONE doesn't have them.
GO APPLE
Full Disclosure:
AAPL Share holder.
And if you are the underdog and don't care about marketshare, you are less likely to be gimmicky to gain volume. Apple is concerned about being a luxury brand and I like that.
Sure, they are going to consolidate their entry level iPhone to be a brand itself and not just the old model (and it looks like it is going to be plastic ugh!), but their focus is still on the luxury brand. At least for now.
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While that's most certainly true it is also old. I don't recall seeing many SGS 2 out in the wild so the sales numbers weren't that surprising but I do see a good amount of SGS 3/4 where I used to see nothing but iPhones.
"Google's Android operating system continues to dominate the smartphone segment in terms of shipped devices, with an 80 percent share in the latest quarter according to new data, while Apple's iPhone accounts for less and less of shipments in a growing market."
BULLSHIT.
Put up real stats, or stop posting this kind of garbage on apple insider.
Seriously, stop posting this kind of propaganda that is not based on any facts. IDC is a PR agency, not an independant analyst.
Sales numbers for android devices are not published by any manufacturers (because they would be embarassing).
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Originally Posted by Jessi
"Google's Android operating system continues to dominate the smartphone segment in terms of shipped devices, with an 80 percent share in the latest quarter according to new data, while Apple's iPhone accounts for less and less of shipments in a growing market."
BULLSHIT.
Put up real stats, or stop posting this kind of garbage on apple insider.
Seriously, stop posting this kind of propaganda that is not based on any facts. IDC is a PR agency, not an independant analyst.
Sales numbers for android devices are not published by any manufacturers (because they would be embarassing).
IDC is quoted by Tim Cook. So I call BS on your BS
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
Well, I'm not an expert...
You don't say...
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
..,.but I do know that there were once two great Operating Systems and one of them ended up with over 90% marketshare and the other...
Windows was never a "great Operating System" in any form it took. Neither were the first Apple operating systems. OS X is another story altogether and a result of Apple starting over and coming up with a modern OS that abandoned outdated ideas. That's something that Microsoft never did as they heaped kludge upon kludge. It's how they ended up with messes like the Registry and DLLs that can be overwritten by subsequent application installations.
Microsoft sells operating systems. Apple doesn't sell operating systems-- they bundle them with Apple computers. Apple makes their money on hardware and they get people to pay more for hardware both by making better quality hardware and by putting a superior OS on the hardware. The same is true of phones and tablets.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
By the way, wasn't Mac OS invented before MSDos or Windows?
MS-DOS was originally Seattle Computer Products QDOS (which stood for "Quick and Dirty Operating System"). The name was later changed to 86-DOS prior to Microsoft licensing it from them in 1980 for $25K and then buying it from them in 1981 for $50K. It was a blatant copy of Digital Research's CP/M-80 ported to the 8086 family of processors. The first Mac was introduced in 1984.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
Everybody says Steve Jobs practically invented the personal computer!
No one who knows anything about the history of personal computers says that. The MITS (Micro Instrumentation and Telemetry Systems) Altair 8800 is considered by most to the the first mainstream personal computer, and it was introduced in 1975. The Altair, and competitors from Imsai, Cromemco, and others, ran the CP/M-80 operating system developed by Gary Kildall at Digital Research. CP/M-80 was the first popular microcomputer operating system to be used by many different hardware vendors, and many software packages were written for it, such as WordStar and dBase II.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
How come doesn't everybody have a Mac then? Why aren't games on Macs? Everybody loves games! Just look what people use most on the AppStore! Games! How come Mac lost the games battle to Windows? Who's falt is that?
A large percentage of people just buy whatever is cheap. That's why Hyundai and Kia sell so many more cars than Mercedes and Porsche do. It's not evidence that Hyundai and Kia makes better cars than Mercedes and Porsche do.
As to your claim that there "aren't games on Macs," that's just ignorance speaking. There are literally thousands of games for OS X in the Apple App Store. But you also over-estimate the demand for games. Most professionals are not playing MMORPGs and FPSs on their laptops. They are doing work, exchanging e-mails, and using the Internet.
They can hide sales numbers but they can't hide revenue. There's just no escaping the embarrassment.
The vast majority of people do not buy an Android phone. They buy a cheap phone or the one "recommended". Tomorrow they could buy a Samsung-Tizen phone as easily as an Android phone today. They couldn't care less about their operating system (besides some geeks
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
Well, I'm not an expert...
You could have stopped there.
Unsurprisingly, you also appear to be arithmetically-challenged.
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Originally Posted by Just_Me
2013Q2
Apple: 6.9 Billion
Samsung 6.98 Billion
Um that is after taxes for both companies entire income across all product lines. For Samsung this includes TV's, Appliances, Cell Tower Hardware ETC.
Q3 2013 for Apple (June Quarter)
Before taxes Apple 9.2 Billion Apples Taxes 2.5 Billion
Q2 2013 for samsung (June Quarter)
Before taxes Samsung 8.56 Billion Samsungs Taxes 1.84 Billion
See http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/27/samsung-has-not-dethroned-apple-in-mobile-profits
You said "Yeah, except Steve now sells only 13 eggs. Last year he did sell 30, and two years ago he sold 45. But not anymore. So, something must be wrong with Steve's eggs. Maybe, just maybe, Steve is too greedy and he's eggs are not worth the price he asks for them?"
So you were suggesting that they sold fewer this year than in the past - which is clearly false.
It's not my fault that you insist on shooting off your mouth about things you don't understand.
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Originally Posted by nikilok
Oh boy, your comparing samsung operating profits not net.
Plus your talking about Samsung that makes fridges, toaster etc.
Here you go read up a little
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/27/samsung-has-not-dethroned-apple-in-mobile-profits
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Originally Posted by Just_Me
You lose when you link to any DED articles. It is pointless.
Both companies made lots of money last quarter.
No he does not because DED actually used the press releases from samsung and apple for there government financial filings. So in essence your saying Samsung lied in its financial filing for the Korean Government and Apple lied in its 10Q.
Apple actually made more than Samsung Before taxes.
Here is apples Q3 2013 (June Quarter) 10Q:
http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AAPL/1456181004x0x679218/594c826e-5c4a-429f-a6d2-4bc8374e1322/Q3_2013_Form_10-Q_As-Filed.pdf
Here is Samsungs: Q2 2013 Earnings Report (June Quarter)
http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/ir/ireventpresentations/earningsrelease/downloads/2012/20130726_conference_eng.pdf
You can read both and find the truth for yourself.
Really, how's that?
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Not really. I'm not sure Apple will ever have the majority. It's not surprising that there are a lot of cheap phones sold, but Apple doesn't care about them.
But isn't Apple releasing a lower cost iphone? Seems like they care enough to compete in the lower cost space.....
Lower cost does not mean cheap. And who says they will release one.
Originally Posted by Just_Me
2013Q2
Apple: 6.9 Billion
Samsung 6.98 Billion
Originally Posted by nikilok
Oh boy, your comparing samsung operating profits not net.
Plus your talking about Samsung that makes fridges, toaster etc.
Here you go read up a little
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/27/samsung-has-not-dethroned-apple-in-mobile-profits
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Originally Posted by Just_Me
You lose when you link to any DED articles. It is pointless.
Both companies made lots of money last quarter.
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Originally Posted by Mechanic
No he does not because DED actually used the press releases from samsung and apple for there government financial filings. So in essence your saying Samsung lied in its financial filing for the Korean Government and Apple lied in its 10Q.
Apple actually made more than Samsung Before taxes.
Here is apples Q3 2013 (June Quarter) 10Q:
http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AAPL/1456181004x0x679218/594c826e-5c4a-429f-a6d2-4bc8374e1322/Q3_2013_Form_10-Q_As-Filed.pdf
Here is Samsungs: Q2 2013 Earnings Report (June Quarter)
http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/ir/ireventpresentations/earningsrelease/downloads/2012/20130726_conference_eng.pdf
You can read both and find the truth for yourself.
Awesome, you pulled there financial reports out. nice
And Like you mentioned that net profit of Samsung was spread across there entire range of products that include TV , Fridges, Washing machines, Microwaves, Component Manufacturing , EPC Contracts in Oil & Gas, Printers, Mobile Phones, Tablets, Phablets, Computer Monitors have I left anything else out
Funny that Just_Me had a hard time comprehending they don't make anything as close to Apple's revenues in the mobile sector.
And like everyone knows Samsung is the highest profit raking licensee of Android.
Who do you think does the recommending?
It's people who do care about their operating system.
Hahaha. Or it could be the paid Android shills at the carrier stores.
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Originally Posted by macslut
Who do you think does the recommending?
It's people who do care about their operating system.
Nope most of the recommending happens at retail stores.
Samsung's marketing budget, goes into paying Shills to talk high about there phones.
Its something everyone see's all over the place.
Samsung has retail programs in place that pay retailers cash for every serial number they report sold. They have a bunch of channel marketing companies running these programs in different countries.
So if the retailer is going to make money, with the customer buying a Samsung phone he'll bad mouth the iPhone / talk high about Samsung phones with ease.
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Originally Posted by BuffyzDead
I LOVE these numbers.
Something very cool about NOT being the mainstream.
I always loved Apple products, but also their underdog, not mainstream, aura.
That is what makes certain products very desirable.
That EVERYONE doesn't have them.
GO APPLE
Full Disclosure:
AAPL Share holder.
And if you are the underdog and don't care about marketshare, you are less likely to be gimmicky to gain volume. Apple is concerned about being a luxury brand and I like that.
Sure, they are going to consolidate their entry level iPhone to be a brand itself and not just the old model (and it looks like it is going to be plastic ugh!), but their focus is still on the luxury brand. At least for now.