It is not the first 64-bit embedded OS. Wind Rivers released the 64-bit version of VxWorks a few years ago.
But I agree with you that this is a big deal, particularly since they squeezed it into the same form factor and are providing the same battery life. As I wrote elsewhere, this might be the most understated jump in the kernel of a widely used OS in the history of computing.
And it does what again? Not to forget I tied in the 64 Bit OS that works directly with it's parent OS. What again did Wind Rivers do with that 64 bit embedded OS that ties in with say Linux? Windows? Solaris? etc?
It is not the first 64-bit embedded OS. Wind Rivers released the 64-bit version of VxWorks a few years ago.
But I agree with you that this is a big deal, particularly since they squeezed it into the same form factor and are providing the same battery life. As I wrote elsewhere, this might be the most understated jump in the kernel of a widely used OS in the history of computing.
Well I'm not sure I'd go that far but this is huge, they are effectively the first to market with a 64 bit ARM solution in a hand held pocketable cell phone. As you note with full OS support and the same battery life.
I'm not a big iPhone user but this should be significant for the iPad. However the iPad really needs more RAM, lots more actually. I'm excited about the possibilities.
If the phone has less than 4GB RAM (probably) the 64bit is largely useless, especially for the average consumer. A nice surprise though. Outpacing the ARMv8's to the market.
The more RAM the OS is addressing, the more battery it is using up which is why they try to make everything as efficient as possible so it can run in smaller memory footprint. On the desktop 64 bit is required to address more than 4 GB of RAM, but that is not the only benefit. A 64-bit CPU can calculate individual tasks two times as fast as a 32-bit model. The larger throughput on the bus will help with things like the 120 fps video recording for example.
And it does what again? Not to forget I tied in the 64 Bit OS that works directly with it's parent OS. What again did Wind Rivers do with that 64 bit embedded OS that ties in with say Linux? Windows? Solaris? etc?
Sorry. But I misunderstood what you meant. No need to be bloody hostile about it. It was a poorly constructed sentence. An embedded OS doesn't have to "tie in" with anything. IOS is not your traditional embedded OS anyhow if you want to be technical about it. Just because it's not a *desktop* OS doesn't make it embedded in the classical sense.
What have they 'innovated' with this phone?
I don't see any physical innovation at all.
Then you are blind.
Faster chip, camera update, fingerprint security? Wouldn't call that 'innovation'.
Is a faster chip not innovation and physical, especially when it is a high performance 64 bit solution that is first to market? Is not stuffing a new camera in the iPhone not innovation especially when they have worked on ways to address adverse color temperature issues. Is not a finger print sensor physical?
Like I said you are either blind or simply unwilling to look at the new iPhone honestly.
The innovation is in the software.
iOS 7 is the innovation... these phones are just vessels to make it sing.
Baloney, the hardware is as innovative as the OS.
5s is a bit faster... woooo
I don't foresee people chucking their 5's over the Golden Gate Bridge for this hardware update.
And what sort of person would be stupid enough to do that? Smart Phones are hardly disposable.
Add to that the fact that the 2 OSes share many common APIs, and some creative packaging (instead of fat binaries) -- you could run many iOS apps on the OSX desktop by installing only the code required for the underlying architecture...
The implementation of the touch UI in the iOS Simulator is pretty good -- and they could become a OSX system capability... In fact, some Mavericks apps already do this -- OSX Maps, for one!
its still ARM right?
If I understand your question -- Yes, iOS devices are still ARM.
But when you Xcode compile an iOS app you compile it to run on on an ARM iDevice or the iOS Simulator on Intel.
I suspect that there is a way that you could compile for both, include that in the app store, then download and install only the code specific to the target's underlying architecture (ARM or Intel) -- A single code-base and distribution supporting both architectures.
If the phone has less than 4GB RAM (probably) the 64bit is largely useless, especially for the average consumer. A nice surprise though. Outpacing the ARMv8's to the market.
The more RAM the OS is addressing, the more battery it is using up which is why they try to make everything as efficient as possible so it can run in smaller memory footprint. On the desktop 64 bit is required to address more than 4 GB of RAM, but that is not the only benefit. A 64-bit CPU can calculate individual tasks two times as fast as a 32-bit model. The larger throughput on the bus will help with things like the 120 fps video recording for example.
Yeah, the 120 fps video is interesting and also could be a very big deal.Somebody mentioned the 5S could replace the GoPro at 60 fps.
If I remember correctly, I think it was the iOS 5 beta -- but, for several weeks, Apple included all the ProRes Codecs/API's in the iOS... Then they removed them.
I always wondered about this -- maybe the CPUs weren't powerful enough, or the use of a dedicated h.264 chip in the device obviated them...
You'll have to forgive him. He only sees the world in 2 colours. Apple lovers and Apple haters. For us outside of the apple sphere of reality, those colours are black and white.
Oh, I'm an Apple Fanboy for sure, no doubt about that. What he missed is that I was not complaining.
You'll have to forgive him. He only sees the world in 2 colours. Apple lovers and Apple haters. For us outside of the apple sphere of reality, those colours are black and white.
Yeah, thanks, that isn't what I was talking about, which is obvious if you would actually read the string of replies.
Originally Posted by Richard Getz
Oh, I'm an Apple Fanboy for sure, no doubt about that. What he missed is that I was not complaining.
If the phone has less than 4GB RAM (probably) the 64bit is largely useless, especially for the average consumer. A nice surprise though. Outpacing the ARMv8's to the market.
The more RAM the OS is addressing, the more battery it is using up which is why they try to make everything as efficient as possible so it can run in smaller memory footprint. On the desktop 64 bit is required to address more than 4 GB of RAM, but that is not the only benefit. A 64-bit CPU can calculate individual tasks two times as fast as a 32-bit model. The larger throughput on the bus will help with things like the 120 fps video recording for example.
That's a very good point! And they already upped the bus speed to 250MHz with the 4s. I wonder what this model will be.
Didn't one of the feeds have something about apps being reworked for 64 bit? If they haven't been they will be soon. By the way this was Apple supplied apps.
Yes, Phil mentioned this, although I don't know what "reworked" actually means. I would guess we'll find out more once iOS 7 is released as well as the newer iWork apps.
I knew it wouldn't take long. Samsung and Google must pay well.
Let's see:
- Twice the CPU performance
- Twice the graphics performance
- First 64 bit phone
- Much better camera
- Fingerprint security
- New motion coprocessor
- Greater network coverage
- Same price as predecessor
And none of that counts for anything?
The Android and Samsung shills really get tiresome.
The really sad thing is how quickly Wall Street goes along. The stock was down about 0.7 before the announcement and is down about 1.7 now. Just what the heck did they expect?
Different form factor?
I'm OK with 5s. It is pretty much what I expected (except for 64-bit architecture, which I didn't expect). Good update and according to Apple's already familiar roadmap.
I know Apple doesn't move to my schedule but there were some glaring things missing from this launch. Where is the iPad mini retina? Where is the China Mobile deal? Where is the iPad 5? What gives?
iPads coming later this year in separate announcement/event.
Don't know about China Mobile, but there were rumors of a later launch for them.
Yeah, the 120 fps video is interesting and also could be a very big deal.Somebody mentioned the 5S could replace the GoPro at 60 fps.
If I remember correctly, I think it was the iOS 5 beta -- but, for several weeks, Apple included all the ProRes Codecs/API's in the iOS... Then they removed them.
I always wondered about this -- maybe the CPUs weren't powerful enough, or the use of a dedicated h.264 chip in the device obviated them...
H.264 being offloaded to the PowerVR 6 using OpenCL is most certainly what Apple will do to process H.264 codec needs.
As much as I love Apple, I just feel let down by this product release. Maybe it was okay back when Apple did hardly anything for the iPhone 5, but another year of this has disconnected me from the Apple reality distortion field. I am seriously considering getting something else like the Galaxy Note 3 or Droid Maxx. They're on par with the pricing of the cheapest iPhone. I just seriously wish Steve Jobs was running the company. He'd have that "One More Thing..."
And there we go — a fake European name, one post to his credit and he is "leaving the Apple distortion field". Right.
I'm sure Apple does not pay anyone to go onto Android web sites and troll them with Apple boosterism. But Samsung will pay Human bots like this to come here and spill transparent nonsense all over the forum. It's a measure of how much the crappy Asian companies fear those that deal straight. Apple makes them look bad every moment of the day, with everything they do. If only the idiots of Wall Street hadn't bought into the idea that profit at any cost is a good thing, America and other Western countries might still have a solid manufacturing base. As it is there is nothing left but an "ideas base" that Asian companies are trying very hard to erode — by stealing everything they can.
This whole thing should be a huge wake-up call to Western counties, and every company that wants to be successful in the long term.
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It is not the first 64-bit embedded OS. Wind Rivers released the 64-bit version of VxWorks a few years ago.
But I agree with you that this is a big deal, particularly since they squeezed it into the same form factor and are providing the same battery life. As I wrote elsewhere, this might be the most understated jump in the kernel of a widely used OS in the history of computing.
And it does what again? Not to forget I tied in the 64 Bit OS that works directly with it's parent OS. What again did Wind Rivers do with that 64 bit embedded OS that ties in with say Linux? Windows? Solaris? etc?
Well I'm not sure I'd go that far but this is huge, they are effectively the first to market with a 64 bit ARM solution in a hand held pocketable cell phone. As you note with full OS support and the same battery life.
I'm not a big iPhone user but this should be significant for the iPad. However the iPad really needs more RAM, lots more actually. I'm excited about the possibilities.
If the phone has less than 4GB RAM (probably) the 64bit is largely useless, especially for the average consumer. A nice surprise though. Outpacing the ARMv8's to the market.
The more RAM the OS is addressing, the more battery it is using up which is why they try to make everything as efficient as possible so it can run in smaller memory footprint. On the desktop 64 bit is required to address more than 4 GB of RAM, but that is not the only benefit. A 64-bit CPU can calculate individual tasks two times as fast as a 32-bit model. The larger throughput on the bus will help with things like the 120 fps video recording for example.
And it does what again? Not to forget I tied in the 64 Bit OS that works directly with it's parent OS. What again did Wind Rivers do with that 64 bit embedded OS that ties in with say Linux? Windows? Solaris? etc?
Sorry. But I misunderstood what you meant. No need to be bloody hostile about it. It was a poorly constructed sentence. An embedded OS doesn't have to "tie in" with anything. IOS is not your traditional embedded OS anyhow if you want to be technical about it. Just because it's not a *desktop* OS doesn't make it embedded in the classical sense.
Like I said you are either blind or simply unwilling to look at the new iPhone honestly. Baloney, the hardware is as innovative as the OS.
And what sort of person would be stupid enough to do that? Smart Phones are hardly disposable.
Consider these:
http://lightiron.com/products/todailies
http://lightiron.com/products/live-play
This is from Michael Cioni's company -- Michael is a pioneer in end-to-end digital film-making (oxymoron intended).
And watch this:
[VIDEO]http://player.vimeo.com/play_redirect?quality=sd&codecs=h264&clip_id=43125025&sig=1523ac954e3163fa190e898e6065459d&time=1378845367[/VIDEO]
Mmm Samesong stocks is down 2.48% today without announcing anything does it mean they go bankrupt?
That's their vacuum cleaner division selloff in response to Dyson-Gate.
I agree - was anyone expecting a new co-processor? We had all heard about health tracking and biometrics, but a dedicated processor?
If I understand your question -- Yes, iOS devices are still ARM.
But when you Xcode compile an iOS app you compile it to run on on an ARM iDevice or the iOS Simulator on Intel.
I suspect that there is a way that you could compile for both, include that in the app store, then download and install only the code specific to the target's underlying architecture (ARM or Intel) -- A single code-base and distribution supporting both architectures.
Yeah, the 120 fps video is interesting and also could be a very big deal.Somebody mentioned the 5S could replace the GoPro at 60 fps.
If I remember correctly, I think it was the iOS 5 beta -- but, for several weeks, Apple included all the ProRes Codecs/API's in the iOS... Then they removed them.
I always wondered about this -- maybe the CPUs weren't powerful enough, or the use of a dedicated h.264 chip in the device obviated them...
You'll have to forgive him. He only sees the world in 2 colours. Apple lovers and Apple haters. For us outside of the apple sphere of reality, those colours are black and white.
Oh, I'm an Apple Fanboy for sure, no doubt about that. What he missed is that I was not complaining.
You'll have to forgive him. He only sees the world in 2 colours. Apple lovers and Apple haters. For us outside of the apple sphere of reality, those colours are black and white.
Yeah, thanks, that isn't what I was talking about, which is obvious if you would actually read the string of replies.
Oh, I'm an Apple Fanboy for sure, no doubt about that. What he missed is that I was not complaining.
I know you weren't!
That's a very good point! And they already upped the bus speed to 250MHz with the 4s. I wonder what this model will be.
Didn't one of the feeds have something about apps being reworked for 64 bit? If they haven't been they will be soon. By the way this was Apple supplied apps.
Yes, Phil mentioned this, although I don't know what "reworked" actually means. I would guess we'll find out more once iOS 7 is released as well as the newer iWork apps.
Different form factor?
I'm OK with 5s. It is pretty much what I expected (except for 64-bit architecture, which I didn't expect). Good update and according to Apple's already familiar roadmap.
I know Apple doesn't move to my schedule but there were some glaring things missing from this launch. Where is the iPad mini retina? Where is the China Mobile deal? Where is the iPad 5? What gives?
iPads coming later this year in separate announcement/event.
Don't know about China Mobile, but there were rumors of a later launch for them.
Yeah, the 120 fps video is interesting and also could be a very big deal.Somebody mentioned the 5S could replace the GoPro at 60 fps.
If I remember correctly, I think it was the iOS 5 beta -- but, for several weeks, Apple included all the ProRes Codecs/API's in the iOS... Then they removed them.
I always wondered about this -- maybe the CPUs weren't powerful enough, or the use of a dedicated h.264 chip in the device obviated them...
H.264 being offloaded to the PowerVR 6 using OpenCL is most certainly what Apple will do to process H.264 codec needs.
As much as I love Apple, I just feel let down by this product release. Maybe it was okay back when Apple did hardly anything for the iPhone 5, but another year of this has disconnected me from the Apple reality distortion field. I am seriously considering getting something else like the Galaxy Note 3 or Droid Maxx. They're on par with the pricing of the cheapest iPhone. I just seriously wish Steve Jobs was running the company. He'd have that "One More Thing..."
And there we go — a fake European name, one post to his credit and he is "leaving the Apple distortion field". Right.
I'm sure Apple does not pay anyone to go onto Android web sites and troll them with Apple boosterism. But Samsung will pay Human bots like this to come here and spill transparent nonsense all over the forum. It's a measure of how much the crappy Asian companies fear those that deal straight. Apple makes them look bad every moment of the day, with everything they do. If only the idiots of Wall Street hadn't bought into the idea that profit at any cost is a good thing, America and other Western countries might still have a solid manufacturing base. As it is there is nothing left but an "ideas base" that Asian companies are trying very hard to erode — by stealing everything they can.
This whole thing should be a huge wake-up call to Western counties, and every company that wants to be successful in the long term.
Well, the 11n is ~40x faster than 11b, too.
no 802.11ac was a surprise.