Not for nothing, you only talk so hard because you are on the internet, that's a fact, anywhere else I can tell you, you wouldn't be, you have no respect & you won't get any from me. Apparently you can try to defend the pricing, I say Try. This isn't a brag at all, I make quite a bit of money from what I do for work, a high tax bracket, I spent lots on tech, more than anyone I know (this isn't a good thing, people see it as a sickness). Many of my tech purchases are Apple products, I defend Apple to my friends & to my co-workers. This isn't my view but the tech world (broadly speaking) The Samsung Galaxy S4 & the HTC One are flagship phones. compared to the iPhone, by many reviewers they are considered better than the iPhone 5 (i'm not saying I agree with them) but none the less, the line has been marked, features & benchmarks & all other crap, the build quality of the HTC One is similar to the iPhone 5, which is to say that it is very good, yet the iPhone is $500 more than the HTC One, tell me, how would you explain without personal bias, how is the iPhone worth more than the S4 or HTC One?, seriously? i have my view, i have my preference, i have my standards, but does everyone share them?, the truth is, No. The analogy of the Tesla S doesn't fly here, we are talking about 3 very popular phones, the iPhone & the HTC One, similar in quality & both are a uni-body aluminum & the S4 feels cheap, software you can argue which you prefer & why, its all subjective, I prefer iOS, your neighbors dog might prefer android, that's up to him.
So if you compared 2 cars of similar features, build quality in the same class & both are very popular & one of them is twice the price, then it would be closer to how things are.
Except that isn't the case, in any respect, at all.
I notice that you're always telling people to shut up.
Or maybe they should stop trolling here when we don't allow or want that crap. Not every idiotic post needs each of its lies debased. Sometimes it just warrants an acknowledgement of worthlessness.
I wouldn't compare the HTC One with a 5s, it more of a upscale 5c for the price of a 5s. Seriously, two different class of processors.
Bingo!
...for now anyway until the next class of competitor phones are released.
But I think that's what Apple's strategy is...to help the masses see that many of the flagship competitor phones should be more aptly compared with the 5c. That leaves the 5s as the more coveted device (and at the appropriate profit margin). :-)
Except that isn't the case, in any respect, at all.
Zing!?....Wait, No, I was right, my point still stands.
Anyone else that says stupid things & gets proven wrong would just be quiet & go away, You never do, you are wrong so so often, can't see it, you just keep on digging, A lame analogy & a clip, did not prove your 'Point'? I i think you had a point?, nah maybe you didn't, who knows.
Quit being so stubborn & close minded, for the good of your own life, you aren't changing peoples mind on any topic, who wants to be known by an entire community (yes online) as the "Douchebag", you probably already know it, that guy 'here' is you, you pick, on people that don't have the energy to argue back (even when they are right), that's not me i'll shoot you down every time for the dump shit you say, it's like a community service.
I don't doubt i'll get another weak reply, go for it, It doesn't bother me in the slightest.
PS, the iPhone 5s is still too expensive The 5c that is made of cheaper materials, is the same price as the 5 was for the most part the same specs.
I'll get the iPhone 6, The 5s isn't compelling enough to spend $1129 outright.
PS, the iPhone 5s is still too expensive The 5c that is made of cheaper materials, is the same price as the 5 was for the most part the same specs.
I'll get the iPhone 6, The 5s isn't compelling enough to spend $1129 outright.
While I can't argue with your zingers towards TS...I don't agree with your assessment on price. But you're open to your opinion. Time will tell. Just know that the consuming public isn't as particular or discriminating as you are.
BTW, I think (on contract anyway) the 5c is less than the 5, no?
Zing!?....Wait, No, I was right, my point still stands.
I wasn't aware you needed it spelled out. The iPhone is not similar to any other phone, does not have similar features, does not have a similar build quality, and therefore cannot be compared directly to anything and stated "this is twice the price".
What's the value difference between the AU dollar, the USD, and Korean currency? International pricing is tricky.
My guess is that Asian companies have an advantage selling to Oceania area.
Yeah, its tricky for sure.
the AUD is on par with the USD, we pay up to 50% more from products, we get the Australia Tax, its the privilege of being in an amazing country, but that doesn't make you feel better when something they sell in the US gets jacked up a stack just for where you are from.
For example, in the US people can get a new PS3 game for $60, in Australia, RRP is $99, if we are lucky it goes on sale for $80, this adds up.
when things aren't region coded, we just import stuff ourselves, after shipping, we still save money.
This includes apple products, yeah our country is in great shape (compared to most places) economy wise, we are taxed heaps.
So Australia, is a grand place, just costs extra for most things.
...for now anyway until the next class of competitor phones are released.
But I think that's what Apple's strategy is...to help the masses see that many of the flagship competitor phones should be more aptly compared with the 5c. That leaves the 5s as the more coveted device (and at the appropriate profit margin). :-)
THey have the same margin, it's just since it's a less costly phone, they make less money. Trust me, they both probably have similar margins, it's just that 5c is a lot cheaper to make, but they make less per model, but at the same margin.
But Apple just upped the processor class of the top end model. All Apple needs to do is spit out a larger screen model, and then if they can do that before Android kicks out large screen 64 bit processors, BINGO. Tons of marketshare right back to Apple, especially with several more large carriers.
I think these journalist and market research companies should separate out different price ranges and THEN look at the market share. Apple will have decent market share of the high end priced products, the medium priced products, and none in the low priced products.
$650+ Apple might have more like 40 to 50% (Guessing)
$500 to $650 Apple might have more like 40 to 50% (Guessing)
$400 to $500 Apple might have more like 40 to 50% (Guessing)
Less than $400 Apple will probably have 0% since they've not made an unlocked phone for that little, those cheap phones will go to Scamscum, and a bunch of other no name brands.which makes up about 40% of the entire smartphone market.
I know my percentages are just guesses, but I think they are more realistic and accurate way of reporting the market. The $400 and less phones don't make hardly any money, especially when you get to the $150 and less models, those probably lose money.
I wasn't aware you needed it spelled out. The iPhone is not similar to any other phone, does not have similar features, does not have a similar build quality, and therefore cannot be compared directly to anything and stated "this is twice the price".
No, Again, still wrong.
People looking at the world through Apple tinted glasses can't be expected to have perspective, you sir, have no perspective.
Go somewhere non-apple centric, see what they say?, Passing your opinions off as fact is vanilla flavored silly.
It's not popular to have an opinion that goes against some of Apples decisions, just because they aren't popular, doesn't make them less valid.
it's an uphill battle trying to educate some people, Sometimes I don't know why I bother, its all very logical & is clear as day, if you have the mind frame to see through the tint.
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BTW, I think (on contract anyway) the 5c is less than the 5, no?
Not sure yet, they haven't released pricing, here its pretty typical for people to buy phones outright then go to the carrier that they choose.
My iPhone 5 is still on contract & i have a GS4 i bought outright, so if the pricing stayed the same i would have considered the 5S, it wasn't so i wont.
Initially my point was, Apples pricing for this Gens iPhones has gone up in price sense the last Gen iPhones (buying them outright).
Apple usually keeps the price pretty steady, so this was a surprise.
The exact same thing, if they're intelligent, because they've seen the teardowns, the reviews, the sales numbers, and the customer satisfaction stats.
Your arrogance outweighs your intelligence, My point has been made & not dis-proven by you in any way shape or form, I'm not planning on repeating myself, you aren't reading & aren't even open to the possibility.
Basically no, they don't share your opinion (most other, non Apple sites) just look around, What are the odds that you are right & everyone else is wrong?, think about that I think the world is mad but you
So show us examples of the four categories I mentioned.
…aren't even open to the possibility.
Which explains why I asked you to show me a comparable phone for half the price, because clearly, since I'm not open to being wrong, I didn't ask a question that could help me prove you right. Ah. Wait…
Basically no, they don't share your opinion…
Hmm… That explains why all the reviews I've read from non-Apple sites share my opinion, then.
So show us examples of the four categories I mentioned.
Which explains why I asked you to show me a comparable phone for half the price, because clearly, since I'm not open to being wrong, I didn't ask a question that could help me prove you right. Ah. Wait…
Hmm… That explains why all the reviews I've read from non-Apple sites share my opinion, then.
The only thing this proves is that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about, nor have you ever. Let's try again: you're supposed to be comparing TWO phones. Not the iPhone and the iPhone, TWO phones. One… two. Now run along.
You seem to have gone insane. How about just admitting you're wrong and shutting up?
The only thing this proves is that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about, nor have you ever. Let's try again: you're supposed to be comparing TWO phones. Not the iPhone and the iPhone, TWO phones. One… two. Now run along.
Don't tell me what my point was or what I'm supposed to do, you have less than an idea what you are talking about.
i'll simplify this for you, you might get it, if I dumb it down enough, please, read what i say slowly...
The iPhone 5S & 5C are over prices here (here being Australia) the extra tax that other device makers put on their phones is a lot smaller.
The AUD & USD are about on par, so that isn't the reason for this, Apple charge Australians more for the same products, this is simply a fact, These phones cost more than they should cost, Point 1, Done.
Point 2, since i was thinking about how those devices are over priced (In Australia) how can they justify the price?.
Simply, they can't, to the wider market, people on the fence who haven't chosen a side, looking to buy a smart phone, looking at a flagship phone, they see the iPhone 5S - $1129 AU they see the HTC One $775AU then they see the very popular & very hyped Samsung galaxy S4, phone winning the prizes of all tech sites (yeah its over rated & not actually that good, but the public doesn't know that) is at $579 & been on sale for $400.....people looking from a far might think that the One & S4 have higher specs (which it does have on paper) they might look at the benchmarks, which are coming out (we know benchmarks don't show real world use, but again, the public doesn't know this) the news sites & tech sites are talking up the Android devices & the comments sections are totally slamming the iOS devices (which I disagree with, but again, the public doesn't know this).
Build quality isn't the reason for the price, the HTC One has an amazing build quality, Customer satisfaction, I never see that reported on outside of Apple sites & the buzz that I hear from people I know & randoms i meet, The S4 is considered the best phone out.
I think those people are idiots too, but the numbers don't lie & the phone is selling like crazy.
If someone is moving from apple to android, they might choose a flagship phone, S4 or HTC One, that puts them in the same category, which they are, they just are.
Point 2, of course DONE.
& there is a big price gap between these flagship devices, tell me why this is?, i'll keep buying Apple stuff, I have made my choice, but what would you say to someone that isn't already invested?.
You always fixate on a small narrow part of what someone says, the new iPhone price compared to the other phones wasn't my main point....& you are still wrong!
Looks like you should run along, this is a one sided beating, I was entertained for a bit, its getting sad tho, very sad.
It's not going well for you & if you keep replying, i'll keep literally whooping you.
I'll have to come up with funny pics to attach to my replies, maybe photos can aid you.
Don't tell me what my point was or what I'm supposed to do, you have less than an idea what you are talking about.
i'll simplify this for you, you might get it, if I dumb it down enough, please, read what i say slowly...
The iPhone 5S & 5C are over prices here (here being Australia) the extra tax that other device makers put on their phones is a lot smaller.
The AUD & USD are about on par, so that isn't the reason for this, Apple charge Australians more for the same products, this is simply a fact, These phones cost more than they should cost, Point 1, Done.
Point 2, since i was thinking about how those devices are over priced (In Australia) how can they justify the price?.
Simply, they can't, to the wider market, people on the fence who haven't chosen a side, looking to buy a smart phone, looking at a flagship phone, they see the iPhone 5S - $1129 AU they see the HTC One $775AU then they see the very popular & very hyped Samsung galaxy S4, phone winning the prizes of all tech sites (yeah its over rated & not actually that good, but the public doesn't know that) is at $579 & been on sale for $400.....people looking from a far might think that the One & S4 have higher specs (which it does have on paper) they might look at the benchmarks, which are coming out (we know benchmarks don't show real world use, but again, the public doesn't know this) the news sites & tech sites are talking up the Android devices & the comments sections are totally slamming the iOS devices (which I disagree with, but again, the public doesn't know this).
Build quality isn't the reason for the price, the HTC One has an amazing build quality, Customer satisfaction, I never see that reported on outside of Apple sites & the buzz that I hear from people I know & randoms i meet, The S4 is considered the best phone out.
I think those people are idiots too, but the numbers don't lie & the phone is selling like crazy.
If someone is moving from apple to android, they might choose a flagship phone, S4 or HTC One, that puts them in the same category, which they are, they just are.
Point 2, of course DONE.
& there is a big price gap between these flagship devices, tell me why this is?, i'll keep buying Apple stuff, I have made my choice, but what would you say to someone that isn't already invested?.
You always fixate on a small narrow part of what someone says, the new iPhone price compared to the other phones wasn't my main point....& you are still wrong!
Looks like you should run along, this is a one sided beating, I was entertained for a bit, its getting sad tho, very sad.
It's not going well for you & if you keep replying, i'll keep literally whooping you.
I'll have to come up with funny pics to attach to my replies, maybe photos can aid you.
Let me ask you a question. When you buy an iPhone, do you have to pay additional sales taxes, or is that included? I just looked up the price in Australia for an unlocked 4S and it's $529 and that includes this tax that Apple has to pay to bring it into the country, but do customers have to pay an additional tax on top of that?
In my area, we have a 8.75% sales tax added to whatever the price is and for the exact same phone, it's $450 plus local sales tax, but my area isn't the highest in the US, there are other cities that charge even higher sales tax. Some don't. Each state is different. So, i see your point in that it costs a little more. But isn't there also a currency conversion as well that they might be factoring in? That's what I think Apple and some of the others are doing since it depends on the country. So some of the competitors might be bringing product in from another country where the currency conversion is more equal. That's another thing that might not be factored into the consumers heads.
Let me ask you a question. When you buy an iPhone, do you have to pay additional sales taxes, or is that included? I just looked up the price in Australia for an unlocked 4S and it's $529 and that includes this tax that Apple has to pay to bring it into the country, but do customers have to pay an additional tax on top of that?
In my area, we have a 8.75% sales tax added to whatever the price is and for the exact same phone, it's $450 plus local sales tax, but my area isn't the highest in the US, there are other cities that charge even higher sales tax. Some don't. Each state is different. So, i see your point in that it costs a little more. But isn't there also a currency conversion as well that they might be factoring in? That's what I think Apple and some of the others are doing since it depends on the country. So some of the competitors might be bringing product in from another country where the currency conversion is more equal. That's another thing that might not be factored into the consumers heads.
We pay an additional 10% Good & Sevices Tax on sales & when privately importing things into Australia we pay that GST on anything over $1000
That doesn't really explain it tho, say for a PS3 game in the US $60 (AU & US dollar is one to one for this example,it usually is one to one).
so a $60 game with our tax would be $66 then shipping isn't an issue, they are locally manufactured & shipped, we get our own covers & terms & conditions, local legal stuff & they are pressed here.
So a $66 game, lets add $10 for shipping, just to cover it, so the total is $67, Recommended retail price here is $99 on that same $60 game, so there is an extra $32 thrown on that we can't explain, It doesnt seem regulated properly & it varies from product to product.
For a game, we wear the price difference, Minimum wage is bigger here.
Samsung stuff is cheap here & other random IT stuff, but Apple stuff is unexplainably higher priced, that's an apple decision, from what we can see.
Basically the GST is rolled into the price, anything above 10% is price gouging.
We pay an additional 10% Good & Sevices Tax on sales & when privately importing things into Australia we pay that GST on anything over $1000
That doesn't really explain it tho, say for a PS3 game in the US $60 (AU & US dollar is one to one for this example,it usually is one to one).
so a $60 game with our tax would be $66 then shipping isn't an issue, they are locally manufactured & shipped, we get our own covers & terms & conditions, local legal stuff & they are pressed here.
So a $66 game, lets add $10 for shipping, just to cover it, so the total is $67, Recommended retail price here is $99 on that same $60 game, so there is an extra $32 thrown on that we can't explain, It doesnt seem regulated properly & it varies from product to product.
For a game, we wear the price difference, Minimum wage is bigger here.
Samsung stuff is cheap here & other random IT stuff, but Apple stuff is unexplainably higher priced, that's an apple decision, from what we can see.
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Not for nothing, you only talk so hard because you are on the internet, that's a fact, anywhere else I can tell you, you wouldn't be, you have no respect & you won't get any from me. Apparently you can try to defend the pricing, I say Try. This isn't a brag at all, I make quite a bit of money from what I do for work, a high tax bracket, I spent lots on tech, more than anyone I know (this isn't a good thing, people see it as a sickness). Many of my tech purchases are Apple products, I defend Apple to my friends & to my co-workers. This isn't my view but the tech world (broadly speaking) The Samsung Galaxy S4 & the HTC One are flagship phones. compared to the iPhone, by many reviewers they are considered better than the iPhone 5 (i'm not saying I agree with them) but none the less, the line has been marked, features & benchmarks & all other crap, the build quality of the HTC One is similar to the iPhone 5, which is to say that it is very good, yet the iPhone is $500 more than the HTC One, tell me, how would you explain without personal bias, how is the iPhone worth more than the S4 or HTC One?, seriously? i have my view, i have my preference, i have my standards, but does everyone share them?, the truth is, No. The analogy of the Tesla S doesn't fly here, we are talking about 3 very popular phones, the iPhone & the HTC One, similar in quality & both are a uni-body aluminum & the S4 feels cheap, software you can argue which you prefer & why, its all subjective, I prefer iOS, your neighbors dog might prefer android, that's up to him.
So if you compared 2 cars of similar features, build quality in the same class & both are very popular & one of them is twice the price, then it would be closer to how things are.
Except that isn't the case, in any respect, at all.
Or maybe they should stop trolling here when we don't allow or want that crap. Not every idiotic post needs each of its lies debased. Sometimes it just warrants an acknowledgement of worthlessness.
I wouldn't compare the HTC One with a 5s, it more of a upscale 5c for the price of a 5s. Seriously, two different class of processors.
Bingo!
...for now anyway until the next class of competitor phones are released.
But I think that's what Apple's strategy is...to help the masses see that many of the flagship competitor phones should be more aptly compared with the 5c. That leaves the 5s as the more coveted device (and at the appropriate profit margin). :-)
Except that isn't the case, in any respect, at all.
Zing!?....Wait, No, I was right, my point still stands.
i'll shoot you down every time for the dump shit you say, it's like a community service.
Anyone else that says stupid things & gets proven wrong would just be quiet & go away, You never do, you are wrong so so often, can't see it, you just keep on digging, A lame analogy & a clip, did not prove your 'Point'? I i think you had a point?, nah maybe you didn't, who knows.
Quit being so stubborn & close minded, for the good of your own life, you aren't changing peoples mind on any topic, who wants to be known by an entire community (yes online) as the "Douchebag", you probably already know it, that guy 'here' is you, you pick, on people that don't have the energy to argue back (even when they are right), that's not me
I don't doubt i'll get another weak reply, go for it, It doesn't bother me in the slightest.
PS, the iPhone 5s is still too expensive
The 5c that is made of cheaper materials, is the same price as the 5 was for the most part the same specs.
I'll get the iPhone 6, The 5s isn't compelling enough to spend $1129 outright.
PS, the iPhone 5s is still too expensive
The 5c that is made of cheaper materials, is the same price as the 5 was for the most part the same specs.
I'll get the iPhone 6, The 5s isn't compelling enough to spend $1129 outright.
While I can't argue with your zingers towards TS...I don't agree with your assessment on price. But you're open to your opinion. Time will tell. Just know that the consuming public isn't as particular or discriminating as you are.
BTW, I think (on contract anyway) the 5c is less than the 5, no?
Zing!?....Wait, No, I was right, my point still stands.
I wasn't aware you needed it spelled out. The iPhone is not similar to any other phone, does not have similar features, does not have a similar build quality, and therefore cannot be compared directly to anything and stated "this is twice the price".
What's the value difference between the AU dollar, the USD, and Korean currency? International pricing is tricky.
My guess is that Asian companies have an advantage selling to Oceania area.
Yeah, its tricky for sure.
the AUD is on par with the USD, we pay up to 50% more from products, we get the Australia Tax, its the privilege of being in an amazing country, but that doesn't make you feel better when something they sell in the US gets jacked up a stack just for where you are from.
For example, in the US people can get a new PS3 game for $60, in Australia, RRP is $99, if we are lucky it goes on sale for $80, this adds up.
when things aren't region coded, we just import stuff ourselves, after shipping, we still save money.
This includes apple products, yeah our country is in great shape (compared to most places) economy wise, we are taxed heaps.
So Australia, is a grand place, just costs extra for most things.
Bingo!
...for now anyway until the next class of competitor phones are released.
But I think that's what Apple's strategy is...to help the masses see that many of the flagship competitor phones should be more aptly compared with the 5c. That leaves the 5s as the more coveted device (and at the appropriate profit margin). :-)
THey have the same margin, it's just since it's a less costly phone, they make less money. Trust me, they both probably have similar margins, it's just that 5c is a lot cheaper to make, but they make less per model, but at the same margin.
But Apple just upped the processor class of the top end model. All Apple needs to do is spit out a larger screen model, and then if they can do that before Android kicks out large screen 64 bit processors, BINGO. Tons of marketshare right back to Apple, especially with several more large carriers.
I think these journalist and market research companies should separate out different price ranges and THEN look at the market share. Apple will have decent market share of the high end priced products, the medium priced products, and none in the low priced products.
$650+ Apple might have more like 40 to 50% (Guessing)
$500 to $650 Apple might have more like 40 to 50% (Guessing)
$400 to $500 Apple might have more like 40 to 50% (Guessing)
Less than $400 Apple will probably have 0% since they've not made an unlocked phone for that little, those cheap phones will go to Scamscum, and a bunch of other no name brands.which makes up about 40% of the entire smartphone market.
I know my percentages are just guesses, but I think they are more realistic and accurate way of reporting the market. The $400 and less phones don't make hardly any money, especially when you get to the $150 and less models, those probably lose money.
I wasn't aware you needed it spelled out. The iPhone is not similar to any other phone, does not have similar features, does not have a similar build quality, and therefore cannot be compared directly to anything and stated "this is twice the price".
No, Again, still wrong.
People looking at the world through Apple tinted glasses can't be expected to have perspective, you sir, have no perspective.
Go somewhere non-apple centric, see what they say?, Passing your opinions off as fact is vanilla flavored silly.
It's not popular to have an opinion that goes against some of Apples decisions, just because they aren't popular, doesn't make them less valid.
it's an uphill battle trying to educate some people, Sometimes I don't know why I bother, its all very logical & is clear as day, if you have the mind frame to see through the tint.
BTW, I think (on contract anyway) the 5c is less than the 5, no?
Not sure yet, they haven't released pricing, here its pretty typical for people to buy phones outright then go to the carrier that they choose.
My iPhone 5 is still on contract & i have a GS4 i bought outright, so if the pricing stayed the same i would have considered the 5S, it wasn't so i wont.
Initially my point was, Apples pricing for this Gens iPhones has gone up in price sense the last Gen iPhones (buying them outright).
Apple usually keeps the price pretty steady, so this was a surprise.
No, Again, still wrong.
Then prove it. Show me a comparable phone for half the price.
The exact same thing, if they're intelligent, because they've seen the teardowns, the reviews, the sales numbers, and the customer satisfaction stats.
The exact same thing, if they're intelligent, because they've seen the teardowns, the reviews, the sales numbers, and the customer satisfaction stats.
Your arrogance outweighs your intelligence, My point has been made & not dis-proven by you in any way shape or form, I'm not planning on repeating myself, you aren't reading & aren't even open to the possibility.
Basically no, they don't share your opinion (most other, non Apple sites) just look around, What are the odds that you are right & everyone else is wrong?, think about that
I think the world is mad but you 
My point has been… …not dis-proven…
So show us examples of the four categories I mentioned.
Which explains why I asked you to show me a comparable phone for half the price, because clearly, since I'm not open to being wrong, I didn't ask a question that could help me prove you right. Ah. Wait…
Hmm… That explains why all the reviews I've read from non-Apple sites share my opinion, then.
So show us examples of the four categories I mentioned.
Which explains why I asked you to show me a comparable phone for half the price, because clearly, since I'm not open to being wrong, I didn't ask a question that could help me prove you right. Ah. Wait…
Hmm… That explains why all the reviews I've read from non-Apple sites share my opinion, then.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/smartphones/australian-customers-will-pay-up-to-114-more-than-americans-for-the-new-iphone/story-fn5sd1vk-1226717584450
Game, set & match
You seem to have gone insane. How about just admitting you're wrong and shutting up?
Game, set & match
The only thing this proves is that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about, nor have you ever. Let's try again: you're supposed to be comparing TWO phones. Not the iPhone and the iPhone, TWO phones. One… two. Now run along.
You seem to have gone insane. How about just admitting you're wrong and shutting up?
The only thing this proves is that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about, nor have you ever. Let's try again: you're supposed to be comparing TWO phones. Not the iPhone and the iPhone, TWO phones. One… two. Now run along.
Don't tell me what my point was or what I'm supposed to do, you have less than an idea what you are talking about.
i'll simplify this for you, you might get it, if I dumb it down enough, please, read what i say slowly...
The iPhone 5S & 5C are over prices here (here being Australia) the extra tax that other device makers put on their phones is a lot smaller.
The AUD & USD are about on par, so that isn't the reason for this, Apple charge Australians more for the same products, this is simply a fact, These phones cost more than they should cost, Point 1, Done.
Point 2, since i was thinking about how those devices are over priced (In Australia) how can they justify the price?.
Simply, they can't, to the wider market, people on the fence who haven't chosen a side, looking to buy a smart phone, looking at a flagship phone, they see the iPhone 5S - $1129 AU they see the HTC One $775AU then they see the very popular & very hyped Samsung galaxy S4, phone winning the prizes of all tech sites (yeah its over rated & not actually that good, but the public doesn't know that) is at $579 & been on sale for $400.....people looking from a far might think that the One & S4 have higher specs (which it does have on paper) they might look at the benchmarks, which are coming out (we know benchmarks don't show real world use, but again, the public doesn't know this) the news sites & tech sites are talking up the Android devices & the comments sections are totally slamming the iOS devices (which I disagree with, but again, the public doesn't know this).
Build quality isn't the reason for the price, the HTC One has an amazing build quality, Customer satisfaction, I never see that reported on outside of Apple sites & the buzz that I hear from people I know & randoms i meet, The S4 is considered the best phone out.
I think those people are idiots too, but the numbers don't lie & the phone is selling like crazy.
If someone is moving from apple to android, they might choose a flagship phone, S4 or HTC One, that puts them in the same category, which they are, they just are.
Point 2, of course DONE.
& there is a big price gap between these flagship devices, tell me why this is?, i'll keep buying Apple stuff, I have made my choice, but what would you say to someone that isn't already invested?.
You always fixate on a small narrow part of what someone says, the new iPhone price compared to the other phones wasn't my main point....& you are still wrong!
Looks like you should run along, this is a one sided beating, I was entertained for a bit, its getting sad tho, very sad.
It's not going well for you & if you keep replying, i'll keep literally whooping you.
I'll have to come up with funny pics to attach to my replies, maybe photos can aid you.
Don't tell me what my point was or what I'm supposed to do, you have less than an idea what you are talking about.
i'll simplify this for you, you might get it, if I dumb it down enough, please, read what i say slowly...
The iPhone 5S & 5C are over prices here (here being Australia) the extra tax that other device makers put on their phones is a lot smaller.
The AUD & USD are about on par, so that isn't the reason for this, Apple charge Australians more for the same products, this is simply a fact, These phones cost more than they should cost, Point 1, Done.
Point 2, since i was thinking about how those devices are over priced (In Australia) how can they justify the price?.
Simply, they can't, to the wider market, people on the fence who haven't chosen a side, looking to buy a smart phone, looking at a flagship phone, they see the iPhone 5S - $1129 AU they see the HTC One $775AU then they see the very popular & very hyped Samsung galaxy S4, phone winning the prizes of all tech sites (yeah its over rated & not actually that good, but the public doesn't know that) is at $579 & been on sale for $400.....people looking from a far might think that the One & S4 have higher specs (which it does have on paper) they might look at the benchmarks, which are coming out (we know benchmarks don't show real world use, but again, the public doesn't know this) the news sites & tech sites are talking up the Android devices & the comments sections are totally slamming the iOS devices (which I disagree with, but again, the public doesn't know this).
Build quality isn't the reason for the price, the HTC One has an amazing build quality, Customer satisfaction, I never see that reported on outside of Apple sites & the buzz that I hear from people I know & randoms i meet, The S4 is considered the best phone out.
I think those people are idiots too, but the numbers don't lie & the phone is selling like crazy.
If someone is moving from apple to android, they might choose a flagship phone, S4 or HTC One, that puts them in the same category, which they are, they just are.
Point 2, of course DONE.
& there is a big price gap between these flagship devices, tell me why this is?, i'll keep buying Apple stuff, I have made my choice, but what would you say to someone that isn't already invested?.
You always fixate on a small narrow part of what someone says, the new iPhone price compared to the other phones wasn't my main point....& you are still wrong!
Looks like you should run along, this is a one sided beating, I was entertained for a bit, its getting sad tho, very sad.
It's not going well for you & if you keep replying, i'll keep literally whooping you.
I'll have to come up with funny pics to attach to my replies, maybe photos can aid you.
Let me ask you a question. When you buy an iPhone, do you have to pay additional sales taxes, or is that included? I just looked up the price in Australia for an unlocked 4S and it's $529 and that includes this tax that Apple has to pay to bring it into the country, but do customers have to pay an additional tax on top of that?
In my area, we have a 8.75% sales tax added to whatever the price is and for the exact same phone, it's $450 plus local sales tax, but my area isn't the highest in the US, there are other cities that charge even higher sales tax. Some don't. Each state is different. So, i see your point in that it costs a little more. But isn't there also a currency conversion as well that they might be factoring in? That's what I think Apple and some of the others are doing since it depends on the country. So some of the competitors might be bringing product in from another country where the currency conversion is more equal. That's another thing that might not be factored into the consumers heads.
Let me ask you a question. When you buy an iPhone, do you have to pay additional sales taxes, or is that included? I just looked up the price in Australia for an unlocked 4S and it's $529 and that includes this tax that Apple has to pay to bring it into the country, but do customers have to pay an additional tax on top of that?
In my area, we have a 8.75% sales tax added to whatever the price is and for the exact same phone, it's $450 plus local sales tax, but my area isn't the highest in the US, there are other cities that charge even higher sales tax. Some don't. Each state is different. So, i see your point in that it costs a little more. But isn't there also a currency conversion as well that they might be factoring in? That's what I think Apple and some of the others are doing since it depends on the country. So some of the competitors might be bringing product in from another country where the currency conversion is more equal. That's another thing that might not be factored into the consumers heads.
We pay an additional 10% Good & Sevices Tax on sales & when privately importing things into Australia we pay that GST on anything over $1000
That doesn't really explain it tho, say for a PS3 game in the US $60 (AU & US dollar is one to one for this example,it usually is one to one).
so a $60 game with our tax would be $66 then shipping isn't an issue, they are locally manufactured & shipped, we get our own covers & terms & conditions, local legal stuff & they are pressed here.
So a $66 game, lets add $10 for shipping, just to cover it, so the total is $67, Recommended retail price here is $99 on that same $60 game, so there is an extra $32 thrown on that we can't explain, It doesnt seem regulated properly & it varies from product to product.
For a game, we wear the price difference, Minimum wage is bigger here.
Samsung stuff is cheap here & other random IT stuff, but Apple stuff is unexplainably higher priced, that's an apple decision, from what we can see.
Basically the GST is rolled into the price, anything above 10% is price gouging.
Just move.
Just move.
Haha, nah, its one of the best places in the world
for someone like me that loves tech, I still buy everything, just bitch about it online :P
It's not like I'm trying to actually change things.