Apple announces iPhone 5s: Touch ID fingerprint security, 64-bit A7 CPU, new gold option coming Sept

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  • Reply 281 of 298
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,388member
    drblank wrote: »
    So what's your point?  That there are other sensors on the market?  Well, all I care about is what Apple's using since I use and will continue to use Apple products unless I actually find something else that works better.  Which is highly unlikely.

    I've no idea why you'd be confused about the point. I stated it pretty clearly. ErictheHalfBee mentioned Validity as a potential competing supplier a few weeks ago as they've been supplying biometric sensors for a few years now.
    http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/159346/leak-samsung-could-beat-apple-to-the-punch-with-fingerprint-sensor-in-note-3#post_2389571

    As far as the questions you indicated you had about Validity there's been a few articles about them. Here's one:
    http://www.citeworld.com/security/22399/iphone-fingerprint-scanner-better-biometrics
  • Reply 282 of 298
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    I've no idea why you'd be confused about the point. I stated it pretty clearly. ErictheHalfBee mentioned Validity as a potential competing supplier a few weeks ago as they've been supplying biometric sensors for a few years now.

    http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/159346/leak-samsung-could-beat-apple-to-the-punch-with-fingerprint-sensor-in-note-3#post_2389571



    As far as the questions you indicated you had about Validity there's been a few articles about them. Here's one:

    http://www.citeworld.com/security/22399/iphone-fingerprint-scanner-better-biometrics

    They have a POTENTIAL competing product?  And why do I care?  I'm not designing products to use these types of sensors, so what good is it for me to know about something else?  It's like what good is it to know much about Android products if you have no desire to use them?  Kind of a waste of my time. 

     

    If I were planning on designing a product to use finger sensors, then it might be of interest to me, but since I'm not, I have no interest in Validity.

  • Reply 283 of 298
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,388member
    drblank wrote: »
    They have a POTENTIAL competing product?  And why do I care?  I'm not designing products to use these types of sensors, so what good is it for me to know about something else?  It's like what good is it to know much about Android products if you have no desire to use them?  Kind of a waste of my time. 

    If I were planning on designing a product to use finger sensors, then it might be of interest to me, but since I'm not, I have no interest in Validity.

    Then why bother commenting? Others may be interested in biometric sensing and who the players are even if you are not. So why should you care? The faster this appears as an authentication method in other mobile devices the faster it becomes a tested and accepted tech.
  • Reply 284 of 298
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    I've no idea why you'd be confused about the point. I stated it pretty clearly. ErictheHalfBee mentioned Validity as a potential competing supplier a few weeks ago as they've been supplying biometric sensors for a few years now.

    http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/159346/leak-samsung-could-beat-apple-to-the-punch-with-fingerprint-sensor-in-note-3#post_2389571



    As far as the questions you indicated you had about Validity there's been a few articles about them. Here's one:

    http://www.citeworld.com/security/22399/iphone-fingerprint-scanner-better-biometrics

    I'm trying to figure out why you even bothered looking up Validity?  Are you planning on using it?   Apple isn't going to use another brand product when they just spent about $30 Million or so buying AuthenTec and another amount on R&D to come up with the products they are using and plan on using in other products. Obviously, Samsung didn't beat Apple to the punch with Fingerprint ID technology in the Note, did they?  NOPE.  Oh well.

  • Reply 285 of 298
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,388member
    drblank wrote: »
    I'm trying to figure out why you even bothered looking up Validity?  Are you planning on using it?   Apple isn't going to use another brand product when they just spent about $30 Million or so buying AuthenTec and another amount on R&D to come up with the products they are using and plan on using in other products. Obviously, Samsung didn't beat Apple to the punch with Fingerprint ID technology in the Note, did they?  NOPE.  Oh well.

    The news about Validity was in a press release today mentioned by Engadget among others.

    So let's put it differently so that you can more easily recognize the benefit to you as an Apple customer. Synaptics hardware and IP is widely used and licensed in devices from nearly all computer/smartphone device users. Yes, even Apple licenses Synaptic IP. With Validity now part of the already well-entrenched Synaptic, biometric authentication tech should see a fast ramp-up. That should also mean that companies that may not see enough benefit to supporting Apple's TouchID as the sole entrant right now may find that with millions of Android/Windows devices also offering the feature it becomes a targeted option for mobile payments or other services.

    ...and that sir benefits you as an Apple user.
  • Reply 286 of 298
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    The news about Validity was in a press release today mentioned by Engadget among others.



    So let's put it differently so that you can more easily recognize the benefit to you as an Apple customer. Synaptics hardware and IP is widely used and licensed in devices from nearly all computer/smartphone device users. Yes, even Apple licenses Synaptic IP. With Validity now part of the already well-entrenched Synaptic, biometric authentication tech should see a fast ramp-up. That should also mean that companies that may not see enough benefit to supporting Apple's TouchID as the sole entrant right now may find that with millions of Android/Windows devices also offering the feature it becomes a targeted option for mobile payments or other services.



    ...and that sir benefits you as an Apple user.

    Hold on Buckaroo..

     

    First off, what IP does Apple license for Synaptic?  They were licensing multi-touch for the track pad,for which both got sued from Elan who sued Synaptics and then Apple for using Synaptics's license.

     

    To my knowledge Apple doesn't license the fingerprint ID technology as Apple bought AuthenTec and they've been developing their own.

     

    Now, I still am trying to figure out how Apple users benefit if Android and Windows users are using similar technology?  Where is your logic on this one?

  • Reply 287 of 298
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,388member
    drblank wrote: »
    Hold on Buckaroo..

    First off, what IP does Apple license for Synaptic?  They were licensing multi-touch for the track pad,for which both got sued from Elan who sued Synaptics and then Apple for using Synaptics's license.

    To my knowledge Apple doesn't license the fingerprint ID technology as Apple bought AuthenTec and they've been developing their own.

    Now, I still am trying to figure out how Apple users benefit if Android and Windows users are using similar technology?  Where is your logic on this one?

    You just answered your own question about Apple being a Synaptic licensee. :rolleyes: For those who weren't aware of it there's an article here:
    http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+is+Forced+Into+MultiTouch+Settlements+Tastes+its+Own+Medicine/article23676.htm

    As for why other companies adopting fingerprint authentication would benefit Apple user, read my post again. It shouldn't be confusing. Apple users would benefit if other companies adopted Thunderbolt too.
  • Reply 288 of 298
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member
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    You just answered your own question about Apple being a Synaptic licensee. image For those who weren't aware of it there's an article here:

    http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+is+Forced+Into+MultiTouch+Settlements+Tastes+its+Own+Medicine/article23676.htm



    As for why other companies adopting fingerprint authentication would benefit Apple user, read my post again. It shouldn't be confusing. Apple users would benefit if other companies adopted Thunderbolt too.

    I know i answered my own question, I didn't know if you knew what Apple was actually licensing because you made it sound like Apple was licensing fingerprint related technology, not the multitouch related technology.

     

    Fingerprint ID and Thunderbolt technology is not even in the same ball park.  Why?



    Fingerprint ID technology is just a means to secure a device so no third party hardware has to be developed past the sensor.  An Android or WIndows phone using another brand of Fingerprint ID will not have any effect on an Apple user that is using Apple's fingerprint technology.

     

    Now, let's move to Thunderbolt.  The reason why if more companies put Thunderbolt ports on their products would help is that it would open up the products by 3rd parties to make more Thunderbolt related products and in larger quantity to hopefully bring down the costs.  That's the ONLY way that having more PC mfg use Thunderbolt will help an Apple user.  But so far, there are plenty of Thunderbolt products on the market and as more Apple computers get sold, more companies have more people to sell product to, so the adoption rate is actually doing pretty well.  I actually think it's being adopted faster than Firewire in some ways.

     

    But to compare Thunderbolt and Fingerprint ID technology?  Please.  there is no correlation between the two whatsoever. 

     

    To an Apple user its just a matter of Apple spitting out more devices with the technology and then for Apple to allow 3rd party s/w to leverage it and whether or not the Windows/Android crowd does it using Validity or Synaptics is NOT going to affect the Apple user in any way shape or form only in perception that Fingerprint ID technology is valid.  It's more just perception than anything else, Buckaroo.

  • Reply 289 of 298
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,388member
    drblank wrote: »
    I know i answered my own question, I didn't know if you knew what Apple was actually licensing because you made it sound like Apple was licensing fingerprint related technology, not the multitouch related technology.

    It's more just perception than anything else, Buckaroo.

    Well, we two "Buckaroos" can continue the discussion over in the AI thread about it now that they've reported the sale.
    http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/160065/synaptics-buys-samsung-partner-validity-to-take-on-apples-authentec-touch-id-feature#post_2414774
  • Reply 290 of 298
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,385member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    Well, we two "Buckaroos" can continue the discussion over in the AI thread about it now that they've reported the sale.

    http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/160065/synaptics-buys-samsung-partner-validity-to-take-on-apples-authentec-touch-id-feature#post_2414774

    All I care about is that Apple's technology works well.  What the others do I could give a rip.  Just because Scamscum wants to use Validity sensors is their only way to make it appear like they are as good as Apple's technology.  And?  It's not going to make Android any better.  All it does it helps Apple in marketing their own fingerprint technology, but we all know who brought out the technology first.  What I like about Apple's technology is they figured out that when you press your finger on the sensor that it's not always perfectly lined up the same way as when you trained it, so they basically have you train the sensor where you finger is in different positions as it helps read the fingerprint better even if you are slightly off axis.  I don't know if the Validity sensors are going to do that.  I'm sure over time, if Validity is copying Apple, maybe Apple might have to sue them over it, much like Synaptics got sued by Elan.  Obviously, Apple chose the wrong IP and they got sued over it, but that happens sometimes.  Maybe Synaptics isn't the best partner to use in the first place.   either way, Apple does it their way now and they don't have to rely on a Validity or Synaptics for Fingerprint technology, they have their own.

  • Reply 291 of 298
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    If the phone has less than 4GB RAM (probably) the 64bit is largely useless, especially for the average consumer. A nice surprise though. Outpacing the ARMv8's to the market. 


    You know, y'all are just displaying your ignorance.

     

    The ARMv8 architecture is unquestionably faster and more efficient - the only question that remains is how much of the greater performance of the A7 is due to the generic ARMv8 AArch64 mode and how much is Apple's secret sauce - because it's the generic ARMv8 portion that'll eventually roll downhill to Android.

     

    Although nothing will entirely cancel out the design misstep that is Dalvik, faster scaler processing will help reduce the jutter that interpreter instantiation/JIT transcoding causes in the scrolling of content and other real-time tasks.

  • Reply 292 of 298
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    These are largely meh. This could be the big breakthrough in scanning tech, but it's not exactly like everyone's clamoring for it.

    As others noted, this isn't really a positive or negative. Other OEMs have started offering double the storage at 199/299 price points.


    You know, no one was clamoring for a touchscreen phone when the original iPhone was introduced.

     

    What I have heard people clamoring for are:

     

    1. NFC - a chipset without a cause. At least where I live, there's really nothing you can do with it.

     

    Well, I guess Google/Android has found a use - initial contact and configuring other devices. Too bad they couldn't have just use wifi - but then again, this was an attempt to find a viable use for NFC.

     

    2. A bigger screen.

     

    Android users talk about it like it was somehow a great innovation. And patentable. "They should sue Apple if they try to use it,"

     

    The manufacturers of a lot of Android devices are now providing screens which display more data than the human eye can perceive, costing users battery life and CPU time needlessly, just so they can keep up in the specs game. Others are now making 4K noises.

     

    The larger screen on Android was a serendipitous event caused by the lower overall efficiency of Dalvik (an interpreter) vs. binary machine code and a more optimized kernel. Apple's kernel has always been optimized for low UI latency vs. a generic linux kernel optimized for high specmark numbers. Android has always required a stronger processor for the same performance, and that costs power. In addition, Android manufacturers were desperate to differentiate themselves from the competitors - which eventually became keeping up with the Jones - so they started adding LTE chipsets before they were ready for prime time eating more power. In order to power all the extra junk, they needed a much bigger battery and the whole kit scaled up from there. In order to keep it from looking like a postage stamp on a brick, they threw on a bigger display.

     

    Now I could see a bigger display, as long as they don't scale it up so much that I need to use it on my big comfy couch. Just widen it a tad, because something closer to a 4x3 orientation which is much more usable. In fact, it would be nice to offer them both - an iPhone 5 form factor and one that was a bit wider.

  • Reply 293 of 298
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    Although nothing will entirely cancel out the design misstep that is Dalvik, faster scaler processing will help reduce the jutter that interpreter instantiation/JIT transcoding causes in the scrolling of content and other real-time tasks.

    I take it 64-bit will benefit Android tremendously then? Because all I see when someone shows me something on their Android tablet is jitter. And lag, the response after touching an element is just, well, slow.
  • Reply 294 of 298
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    Apple delivers some fine new products and the stock tanks > 10 bucks.  Guess they didn't offer a "teleportation option" (or some other mega-wow app).  Great isn't it?  What does Apple have to do to get Wall Street etc., to believe they are a great US company and here for the long term?


    Apple stock always tanks after announcement, and analysts are always way off in their guesstimation of reality.

     

    It's always either Apple's going to sell 200 million (in which case they'll punish Apple later for not doing so), or this thing's crap and they'll sell only three dozen (in which case they'll punish Apple now).

  • Reply 295 of 298
    sumergosumergo Posts: 215member
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    Haha, nah, its one of the best places in the world :) for someone like me that loves tech, I still buy everything, just bitch about it online :P 

    It's not like I'm trying to actually change things. 




    Hey Zozman, I think the forum might say, "we rest our case" concerning the value of your contributions.

     

    Unfortunately, you've spent many of your limited number of breaths and time on this planet, venting and typing to self-admittedly no avail - "HaHa, It's not like I'm trying to actually change things".

     

    Thank you so much for your single-handed comments.

  • Reply 296 of 298
    zozmanzozman Posts: 393member
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    Hey Zozman, I think the forum might say, "we rest our case" concerning the value of your contributions.

     

    Unfortunately, you've spent many of your limited number of breaths and time on this planet, venting and typing to self-admittedly no avail - "HaHa, It's not like I'm trying to actually change things".

     

    Thank you so much for your single-handed comments.


     

    Ummm...Thanks? i guess?.

     

    to be fair, no one here is actually changing things, its a forum for people that like similar things to talk about said things & bitch about stuff & people that disagree, for anyone that didn't know this...Welcome to the internet.

     So i think i might be a bit more self aware than your average person (which is good & bad).

    your comment is interesting, however, might be arrogant of me to say, My points were actuate & true (basically i was right) :p so I wont take any offence. 

    not sure what you were reading...

     

    have a nice day.

  • Reply 297 of 298
    sumergosumergo Posts: 215member
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    Originally Posted by Zozman View Post

     

     

    Ummm...Thanks? i guess?.

     

    to be fair, no one here is actually changing things, its a forum for people that like similar things to talk about said things & bitch about stuff & people that disagree, for anyone that didn't know this...Welcome to the internet.

     So i think i might be a bit more self aware than your average person (which is good & bad).

    your comment is interesting, however, might be arrogant of me to say, My points were actuate & true (basically i was right) :p so I wont take any offence. 

    not sure what you were reading...

     

    have a nice day.




    Hey Zozman, nice reply.  You're right, I was being needlessly snotty.  I withdraw my post.

  • Reply 298 of 298
    zozmanzozman Posts: 393member
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    Hey Zozman, nice reply.  You're right, I was being needlessly snotty.  I withdraw my post.


     

    No problems, I do the same thing sometimes, Damn internet makes it so easy sometimes.

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