When you actually know what "should" entails, feel free to explain it to us. As it stands, you have provided no reason for anyone to believe you understand why the prices are different.
…people on the fence who haven't chosen a side, looking to buy a smart phone, looking at a flagship phone, they see the iPhone 5S - $1129 AU they see the HTC One $775AU then they see the very popular & very hyped Samsung galaxy S4, phone winning the prizes of all tech sites (yeah its over rated & not actually that good, but the public doesn't know that) is at $579 & been on sale for $400…
And there's the problem. You repeat this point, which is good, because to do so you must see the devices for what they actually are. So, really, this whole bit can be distilled to three words: idiots buy crap. You yourself agreed (somewhat later in the post). The iPhone, again, cannot be compared to other phones, particularly the ones you've listed, and so your initial rejection of my analogy remains void. When you can come up with a phone that actually matches the iPhone–not one that is sold where the iPhone is sold, not one that is sold how the iPhone is sold, not one that is pointed at the same market as the iPhone, not one that portends to be what the iPhone is, but one that actually is objectively comparable to the iPhone in specs, software, build quality, and ecosystem–then we can continue the discussion that you've thrown so far off the railroad tracks with your (and at this point I'll take the liberty to add the word 'false') misunderstanding of the point being made.
…the numbers don't lie & the phone is selling like crazy.
"Over 99 billion served…"
Ah, wait, you're an Aussie. Not sure if they have that on their signs over there. Though not being an American, you can appreciate the quality of the product sold at those establishments better, as you've probably not been desensitized to it. When I lived in Ireland, I saw a disclaimer on all of their signage. "It is not recommended to eat fast food more than a few times per month." or something of that sort. Ireland could correct me; he still lives there and doesn't have the memory of an (apocryphal) goldfish.
The quality of a thing is not solely dependent on the proliferation thereof.
I don't understand how you can make the valid points you've made above, speaking as to the failings of the competing devices, and then, first, not see what I'm saying about said devices and, second, think you're still in the right about what you're saying initially.
McDonald's has a flagship burger known as the Big Mac, with fries and a coke. Dare you compare it to the flagship meal of Toqueville–a roasted loin and braised shoulder of lamb–and exclaim, "It is inexcusable that they have made more expensive!"
Ah, I've just remembered. Fake Steve Jobs said this: "Sometimes I feel like a great chef who has devoted his entire life to monastic study of the art of cooking. I've gathered the finest ingredients, built the most advanced kitchen and prepared the most exquisite meal. So perfect, so delicious, so extraordinary. More astounding than any meal ever created. Yet each day I stand in my window and watch 97% of the world walk past my restaurant into the McDonald's across the street."
Of course, that was written in the early naughties, back when even more people were blinded by the hammer of Microsoft. Apple has since shown hundreds of millions what quality entails.
I try to put my feelings aside with a lot of this stuff, My personal feelings are pretty different, I'm playing devils advocate.
I don't post on an Apple forum to be a troll, I love the products, I think they are the best at what they do.
That's my personal feelings, the world doesn't always agree with me (i think they are nuts) but none the less, people are entitled to their opinions as stupid as they seem.
When i said the iPhones cost more then they 'should', its more that id like it if the prices were as close to universal as they can be (meaning aside from local taxes & currency conversion, i want it to be the same).
Also when I say that the iPhones are too expensive, it's not an issue that impacts me so much, i'll still end up getting them, but it makes it a whole lot harder to recommend them to people that might not have the cash & if they ask, 'Why get an iPhone that cost alot more than the S4?, the S4 is very popular', I might say, 'the iPhones build quality is amazing, the echo system is great, best apps available & you don't have to stress about malware & apps have quality control', for me thats a big deal, i've spoken to many people that say, 'pffffft android works fine for me, UI isn't glitchy at all & they have the same sort of apps'.
I never end call them an idiot, but people have different standards.
I try to put my feelings aside with a lot of this stuff, My personal feelings are pretty different, I'm playing devils advocate.
I don't post on an Apple forum to be a troll, I love the products, I think they are the best at what they do.
That's my personal feelings, the world doesn't always agree with me (i think they are nuts) but none the less, people are entitled to their opinions as stupid as they seem.
When i said the iPhones cost more then they 'should', its more that id like it if the prices were as close to universal as they can be (meaning aside from local taxes & currency conversion, i want it to be the same).
Also when I say that the iPhones are too expensive, it's not an issue that impacts me so much, i'll still end up getting them, but it makes it a whole lot harder to recommend them to people that might not have the cash & if they ask, 'Why get an iPhone that cost alot more than the S4?, the S4 is very popular', I might say, 'the iPhones build quality is amazing, the echo system is great, best apps available & you don't have to stress about malware & apps have quality control', for me thats a big deal, i've spoken to many people that say, 'pffffft android works fine for me, UI isn't glitchy at all & they have the same sort of apps'.
I never end call them an idiot, but people have different standards.
I doubt this world is going to have equal currency exchange rates and equal tax rates.
I just looked at Samsung's retail list price and they have the S4 for $765 in Australia and in the US, it's $699. I'm sure part of the whole thing is Samsung is moving product from Korea as that is their home base, Apple's is US, so the currency conversion sucks. Not much they can do about it, plus they both have that silly Australian tax added on top.
I think the these import taxes prevent products coming into your country which is a problem. These governments, ALL OF THEM, seem to just want to tax everyone coming and going like they are entitled to it because they can't spend the tax revenues in a fiscally responsible manner, so WE, corporations, suffer because of it.
For me, I wouldn't want to pay top dollar for a polycarb phone, that to me is a lower line product which is what Apple did. I'm sure for Polycarb, its decent, but I doubt Apple will make their top of the line products polycarb like Samsung does and they , for whatever reason, get away with it. Samsung also seems to get away with shipping 4.2.2 instead of 4.3, which is the latest OS. What's up with that? People just don't seem to care that they are buying an obsolete product the day it's announced. Go figure.
I doubt this world is going to have equal currency exchange rates and equal tax rates.
It won't, thats not what i was getting at, I can accept, currency exchange rates & tax rates, you can calculate for them, when they add a phantom price of top of those, thats my issue.
Seems pretty common on youtube, read the comment sections if you wan't to get in a bad mood really quickly.
Young kid trolls telling everyone how the world works, iSheep this & that.
youtube's comment section is one of the worst places on the internet, on almost every video. If there were a Dalai Lama video you would get some vile douche claiming to want to anally rape him. They would do everyone a favour if they disabled comments completely.
youtube's comment section is one of the worst places on the internet, on almost every video. They would do everyone a favour if they disabled comments completely.
Or take the entire service down. I don't know what is worse: the video's or the comments on them.
wondering if the next ipad will get the fingerprint sensor as well......
I would assume it would. I'm thinking they might eventually do this with laptops and maybe even on desktops somehow. I would certainly like to have it on my iPad. Adding the sensor on a laptop might be cool.
I would assume it would. I'm thinking they might eventually do this with laptops and maybe even on desktops somehow. I would certainly like to have it on my iPad. Adding the sensor on a laptop might be cool.
Fingerprint readers will be appearing on even more laptops than they already do, and extending to a slew of new tablets and smartphones from various manufacturers IMO. Synaptics, a long time player in touch sensors, has bought up the biometric fingerprint sensing firm Validity. Their fingerprint reader tech sounds an awful lot like Apple's TouchID doesn't it? http://www.validityinc.com/technology.php
Fingerprint readers will be appearing on even more laptops than they already do, and extending to a slew of new tablets and smartphones from various manufacturers IMO. Synaptics, a long time player in touch sensors, has bought up the biometric fingerprint sensing firm Validity. Their fingerprint reader tech sounds an awful lot like Apple's TouchID doesn't it?
I'm sure there are similarities, whether they work as well I don't know, the article doesn't mention anything about that. Then there is the price of the sensors, and the s/w that goes along with it.
Apple bought AuthenTec for a reason. Sometimes it's solely on technology, sometimes it's just being able to buy a company for a target price and having willingness in selling the business. That part, we probably will never know fully. Quite frankly, having used the sensor on the 5S, it seems to work pretty well and that's the bottom line. Other than that, it's how cheap they can make them and how fast they can spit them out from a production point of view.
Now, I have no idea if Validatity is copying Apple's sensor or not, I have no idea if it works as well and how it's priced, etc. But Apple has the technology now and it's just a matter of them spitting out enough for production.
One thing is to have something on paper that says it works, and another to have physical product to show it works and then being able to produce large quantities at a certain price point.
Fingerprint sensors have been used in computers for a while now, it's just not as wide spread as what I think Apple plans on doing. It's obviously cheaper for Apple to own the technology and to maybe come up with patents surrounding it to protect it somehow.
Fingerprint readers will be appearing on even more laptops than they already do, and extending to a slew of new tablets and smartphones from various manufacturers IMO. Synaptics, a long time player in touch sensors, has bought up the biometric fingerprint sensing firm Validity. Their fingerprint reader tech sounds an awful lot like Apple's TouchID doesn't it?
So what's your point? That there are other sensors on the market? Well, all I care about is what Apple's using since I use and will continue to use Apple products unless I actually find something else that works better. Which is highly unlikely.
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As Randy Jackson would say "Apple's in it to win it!, Dawg." hahahahaha.
Don't tell me what my point was…
Maybe you should articulate it better, then.
These phones cost more than they should cost
When you actually know what "should" entails, feel free to explain it to us. As it stands, you have provided no reason for anyone to believe you understand why the prices are different.
…people on the fence who haven't chosen a side, looking to buy a smart phone, looking at a flagship phone, they see the iPhone 5S - $1129 AU they see the HTC One $775AU then they see the very popular & very hyped Samsung galaxy S4, phone winning the prizes of all tech sites (yeah its over rated & not actually that good, but the public doesn't know that) is at $579 & been on sale for $400…
And there's the problem. You repeat this point, which is good, because to do so you must see the devices for what they actually are. So, really, this whole bit can be distilled to three words: idiots buy crap. You yourself agreed (somewhat later in the post). The iPhone, again, cannot be compared to other phones, particularly the ones you've listed, and so your initial rejection of my analogy remains void. When you can come up with a phone that actually matches the iPhone–not one that is sold where the iPhone is sold, not one that is sold how the iPhone is sold, not one that is pointed at the same market as the iPhone, not one that portends to be what the iPhone is, but one that actually is objectively comparable to the iPhone in specs, software, build quality, and ecosystem–then we can continue the discussion that you've thrown so far off the railroad tracks with your (and at this point I'll take the liberty to add the word 'false') misunderstanding of the point being made.
…the numbers don't lie & the phone is selling like crazy.
"Over 99 billion served…"
Ah, wait, you're an Aussie. Not sure if they have that on their signs over there. Though not being an American, you can appreciate the quality of the product sold at those establishments better, as you've probably not been desensitized to it. When I lived in Ireland, I saw a disclaimer on all of their signage. "It is not recommended to eat fast food more than a few times per month." or something of that sort. Ireland could correct me; he still lives there and doesn't have the memory of an (apocryphal) goldfish.
The quality of a thing is not solely dependent on the proliferation thereof.
I don't understand how you can make the valid points you've made above, speaking as to the failings of the competing devices, and then, first, not see what I'm saying about said devices and, second, think you're still in the right about what you're saying initially.
McDonald's has a flagship burger known as the Big Mac, with fries and a coke. Dare you compare it to the flagship meal of Toqueville–a roasted loin and braised shoulder of lamb–and exclaim, "It is inexcusable that they have made more expensive!"
Ah, I've just remembered. Fake Steve Jobs said this: "Sometimes I feel like a great chef who has devoted his entire life to monastic study of the art of cooking. I've gathered the finest ingredients, built the most advanced kitchen and prepared the most exquisite meal. So perfect, so delicious, so extraordinary. More astounding than any meal ever created. Yet each day I stand in my window and watch 97% of the world walk past my restaurant into the McDonald's across the street."
Of course, that was written in the early naughties, back when even more people were blinded by the hammer of Microsoft. Apple has since shown hundreds of millions what quality entails.
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I try to put my feelings aside with a lot of this stuff, My personal feelings are pretty different, I'm playing devils advocate.
I don't post on an Apple forum to be a troll, I love the products, I think they are the best at what they do.
That's my personal feelings, the world doesn't always agree with me (i think they are nuts) but none the less, people are entitled to their opinions as stupid as they seem.
When i said the iPhones cost more then they 'should', its more that id like it if the prices were as close to universal as they can be (meaning aside from local taxes & currency conversion, i want it to be the same).
Also when I say that the iPhones are too expensive, it's not an issue that impacts me so much, i'll still end up getting them, but it makes it a whole lot harder to recommend them to people that might not have the cash & if they ask, 'Why get an iPhone that cost alot more than the S4?, the S4 is very popular', I might say, 'the iPhones build quality is amazing, the echo system is great, best apps available & you don't have to stress about malware & apps have quality control', for me thats a big deal, i've spoken to many people that say, 'pffffft android works fine for me, UI isn't glitchy at all & they have the same sort of apps'.
I never end call them an idiot, but people have different standards.
I try to put my feelings aside with a lot of this stuff, My personal feelings are pretty different, I'm playing devils advocate.
I don't post on an Apple forum to be a troll, I love the products, I think they are the best at what they do.
That's my personal feelings, the world doesn't always agree with me (i think they are nuts) but none the less, people are entitled to their opinions as stupid as they seem.
When i said the iPhones cost more then they 'should', its more that id like it if the prices were as close to universal as they can be (meaning aside from local taxes & currency conversion, i want it to be the same).
Also when I say that the iPhones are too expensive, it's not an issue that impacts me so much, i'll still end up getting them, but it makes it a whole lot harder to recommend them to people that might not have the cash & if they ask, 'Why get an iPhone that cost alot more than the S4?, the S4 is very popular', I might say, 'the iPhones build quality is amazing, the echo system is great, best apps available & you don't have to stress about malware & apps have quality control', for me thats a big deal, i've spoken to many people that say, 'pffffft android works fine for me, UI isn't glitchy at all & they have the same sort of apps'.
I never end call them an idiot, but people have different standards.
I doubt this world is going to have equal currency exchange rates and equal tax rates.
I just looked at Samsung's retail list price and they have the S4 for $765 in Australia and in the US, it's $699. I'm sure part of the whole thing is Samsung is moving product from Korea as that is their home base, Apple's is US, so the currency conversion sucks. Not much they can do about it, plus they both have that silly Australian tax added on top.
I think the these import taxes prevent products coming into your country which is a problem. These governments, ALL OF THEM, seem to just want to tax everyone coming and going like they are entitled to it because they can't spend the tax revenues in a fiscally responsible manner, so WE, corporations, suffer because of it.
For me, I wouldn't want to pay top dollar for a polycarb phone, that to me is a lower line product which is what Apple did. I'm sure for Polycarb, its decent, but I doubt Apple will make their top of the line products polycarb like Samsung does and they , for whatever reason, get away with it. Samsung also seems to get away with shipping 4.2.2 instead of 4.3, which is the latest OS. What's up with that? People just don't seem to care that they are buying an obsolete product the day it's announced. Go figure.
I doubt this world is going to have equal currency exchange rates and equal tax rates.
It won't, thats not what i was getting at, I can accept, currency exchange rates & tax rates, you can calculate for them, when they add a phantom price of top of those, thats my issue.
Why is it legal to lie like that in reviews?
Why is it legal to lie like that in reviews?
Seems pretty common on youtube, read the comment sections if you wan't to get in a bad mood really quickly.
Young kid trolls telling everyone how the world works, iSheep this & that.
Seems pretty common on youtube, read the comment sections if you wan't to get in a bad mood really quickly.
Young kid trolls telling everyone how the world works, iSheep this & that.
youtube's comment section is one of the worst places on the internet, on almost every video. If there were a Dalai Lama video you would get some vile douche claiming to want to anally rape him. They would do everyone a favour if they disabled comments completely.
Seems pretty common on youtube, read the comment sections if you wan't to get in a bad mood really quickly.
youtube's comment section is one of the worst places on the internet, on almost every video.
The MST3K guys said it well: "Now to upload this to YouTube so twelve year olds can call me a gaywad."
Or take the entire service down. I don't know what is worse: the video's or the comments on them.
Anything that acts as a money drain to Google should be left standing as long as possible.
Ooh that's a good point!
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wondering if the next ipad will get the fingerprint sensor as well......
I would assume it would. I'm thinking they might eventually do this with laptops and maybe even on desktops somehow. I would certainly like to have it on my iPad. Adding the sensor on a laptop might be cool.
Fingerprint readers will be appearing on even more laptops than they already do, and extending to a slew of new tablets and smartphones from various manufacturers IMO. Synaptics, a long time player in touch sensors, has bought up the biometric fingerprint sensing firm Validity. Their fingerprint reader tech sounds an awful lot like Apple's TouchID doesn't it?
http://www.validityinc.com/technology.php
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/10/09/5808156/synaptics-enters-fast-growing.html
Fingerprint readers will be appearing on even more laptops than they already do, and extending to a slew of new tablets and smartphones from various manufacturers IMO. Synaptics, a long time player in touch sensors, has bought up the biometric fingerprint sensing firm Validity. Their fingerprint reader tech sounds an awful lot like Apple's TouchID doesn't it?
http://www.validityinc.com/technology.php
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/10/09/5808156/synaptics-enters-fast-growing.html
I'm sure there are similarities, whether they work as well I don't know, the article doesn't mention anything about that. Then there is the price of the sensors, and the s/w that goes along with it.
Apple bought AuthenTec for a reason. Sometimes it's solely on technology, sometimes it's just being able to buy a company for a target price and having willingness in selling the business. That part, we probably will never know fully. Quite frankly, having used the sensor on the 5S, it seems to work pretty well and that's the bottom line. Other than that, it's how cheap they can make them and how fast they can spit them out from a production point of view.
Now, I have no idea if Validatity is copying Apple's sensor or not, I have no idea if it works as well and how it's priced, etc. But Apple has the technology now and it's just a matter of them spitting out enough for production.
One thing is to have something on paper that says it works, and another to have physical product to show it works and then being able to produce large quantities at a certain price point.
Fingerprint sensors have been used in computers for a while now, it's just not as wide spread as what I think Apple plans on doing. It's obviously cheaper for Apple to own the technology and to maybe come up with patents surrounding it to protect it somehow.
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Fingerprint readers will be appearing on even more laptops than they already do, and extending to a slew of new tablets and smartphones from various manufacturers IMO. Synaptics, a long time player in touch sensors, has bought up the biometric fingerprint sensing firm Validity. Their fingerprint reader tech sounds an awful lot like Apple's TouchID doesn't it?
http://www.validityinc.com/technology.php
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/10/09/5808156/synaptics-enters-fast-growing.html
So what's your point? That there are other sensors on the market? Well, all I care about is what Apple's using since I use and will continue to use Apple products unless I actually find something else that works better. Which is highly unlikely.