Hands-on with the new 64-bit A7-powered iPhone 5s with new M7, camera features & Touch ID

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  • Reply 41 of 166
    djsherlydjsherly Posts: 1,031member
    Any objective person can see that the 5S destroys the myth that Apple lost its mojo and is no longer the leading innovator.

    The 5S is at least a generation ahead of any other smartphone, being:

       *  FIRST with ARM's 64 bit architecture in the incredibly fast A7 SoC processor which is an amazing 40 times faster than the original iPhone and with its doubling of graphics speed over the already superfast iPhone 5;  

       * FIRST with the separate M chip which hugely reduces battery drain while operating 24-7 (lets hope they've patented the idea although Samsung will doutless copy it anyway) which will lead to many new mobility and fitness Apps and gadgets.

        * FIRST with the their state of the art Athentec fingerprint scanner which provides really easy to use, reliable and exceptionally high level security

       * FIRST with the really well thought out, advanced new camera hardware and software which needs the 64 bit power

      *  all combined with iOS 7 which has been highly acclaimed by most critics and is almost certainly going to be a huge hit with users.

    I'm quite excited about the 5s, but I believe the motox sets aside a couple of low power cores for sensor processing. I think it's still on the main die but Motorola have already implemented an M7 style of architecture. Perhaps not physically, but certainly in principle.

    I'm also running ios7 on my 4s and I must say there some weird incongruencies which I don't like.

    The interface is flat, then it goes 3d in unexpected places, like tab selection in safari.

    The elastic effect when scrolling in the notes app reveals a canvas that is not quite the same colour.

    There's also a stipple background in that app, where nearly all the other Ui elements have been rid of textures.

    Losing the frames around the buttons can make things look a little unbalanced.

    Minor quibbles, but it just takes off some of the polish on what is really a great Ui overhaul given the timeframes in which it was done.
  • Reply 42 of 166
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

     

    Well said.

     

    I would encourage everyone to watch the keynote. :)


     

    You'so right.

     

    I simply cannot understand why Apple does not broadcast their events live.

     

    By not doing so they leave the field open to bloggers and commentatos who have a field day bashing Apple.

     

    Yet again I have had to suffer the inane, self important chatter of cnet's live blog,  and listen to stupid, racist imitations of Jonathan Ives British accent. 

     

    It is only afterwards, watching Apple's recorded launch event, that one gets the real full picture and you realise just how much significant stuff was missing from cnet's live blog and just how ill informed and misleading were much of cnet's bloggers' attention seeking, childish comments were.

     

    Common Apple, get smart and show your events LIVE

  • Reply 43 of 166
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    I see some websites are knocking touch ID because it won't work in every possible situation. One example given was someone in an accident with burned fingers. Seriously? Are these same people complaining about Google Glass when bars, restaurants, etc. ban the device from their establishment? Oh and it's being knocked for no 3rd party support. Could that be because while Apple has tested it, they didn't test it on millions of people? Perhaps Apple prefers to go slow when it comes to security, especially with brand new technology they're introducing to the phone? To me it makes perfect sense that there is no 3rd party support right now.

     

    Well those websites and people are just butthurt Fandroids grasping at whatever straws they can find. The iPhone 5s is a killer phone, and it blows everything else away.

     

    Somebody was in an accident and has terribly burned fingers? Well, what a damn shame. Touch ID is not for them probably. They can continue to use a regular password. Should companies not innovate or include features because one person might have been in an accident, missing a leg, 7 fingers, 1 ear, 1 testicle and their left eye? <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> That's a truly moronic argument to make, but Fandroids are of course known to make truly moronic arguments.

     

    I also love how all of the butthurt Fandroids who live and die by specs are all of a sudden downplaying the whole 64 bit thing, which is huge!<img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Good luck to Samsung with their not yet released 64 bit devices running on the horror that is called Android.<img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

    And I also love people who point out that fingerprint authentication has been on previous devices before, though they fail to mention that it was nothing more than a simple gimmick that did not work properly, until Apple came along and did it right of course.

  • Reply 44 of 166
    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

    I see some websites are knocking touch ID because it won't work in every possible situation. One example given was someone in an accident with burned fingers. Seriously? Are these same people complaining about Google Glass when bars, restaurants, etc. ban the device from their establishment?

     

    "Of course Google Glass doesn't work if your eyes have been gouged out! How stupid can you get?"

    "How dare Apple make their fingerprint sensor not work with burned fingers! Who do they think they are?"

  • Reply 45 of 166

    Really an impressive set of new features.  Very meaningful improvements here.

     

    I honestly thought they would replace the 4S with the 5c to have a complete lineup of 4" screens with lightning connectors, but now I see why.  This gives people one more year to cling desperately to their 30-pin connector while simultaneously positioning Apple perfectly for next year's lineup:

     

    • 5c - Low end
    • 5s - High end
    • 6 - High end with a large screen

     

    After that, they're updating internals every year but maintaining exterior facades.  This will probably turn into a 4 phone lineup:

     

    • 5c - Low end
    • 5s - High end
    • 6c - Low end with a large screen
    • 6s - High end with a large screen

     

    At that point, the 5 and 6 are irrelevant.

    Rather, c is to Air as s is to Pro.

    c : Air :: s : Pro

  • Reply 46 of 166
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by djsherly View Post





    I'm quite excited about the 5s, but I believe the motox sets aside a couple of low power cores for sensor processing. I think it's still on the main die but Motorola have already implemented an M7 style of architecture. Perhaps not physically, but certainly in principle.



    I'm also running ios7 on my 4s and I must say there some weird incongruencies which I don't like.



    The interface is flat, then it goes 3d in unexpected places, like tab selection in safari.



    The elastic effect when scrolling in the notes app reveals a canvas that is not quite the same colour.



    There's also a stipple background in that app, where nearly all the other Ui elements have been rid of textures.



    Losing the frames around the buttons can make things look a little unbalanced.



    Minor quibbles, but it just takes off some of the polish on what is really a great Ui overhaul given the timeframes in which it was done.

     

     I haven't yet installed iOS but I'm looking forward to it and will watch out for the features you point out.

     

    However, presumably you have a Beta version. I understand quite a few improvements have been made to the final version. It may be that they have addressed some of your criticisms?

     

    Thanks for your comments on Motorola and their similar technology to the M7 chip. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

  • Reply 47 of 166
    DED -- Good article.

    It was factual, concise, informative and gathered and fleshed-out information from several sources.

    The short videos were good -- but the "hands on" title was a bit deceptive.
  • Reply 48 of 166
    The technical discussion of 64-bitness is really good, but I'm not sure you made a case for it vs. those claiming it's about the future.

    You made a case that it can be supported for computationally intensive cases, which is good when it does get supported. And there appear to be a few, limited internal uses for it in iOS itself. But multiple cores also would support some/all of things, albeit in different ways. And those are also a great (better?) way to manage low-power states -- although the M7 seems nice in that regard.

    But for a company that has long insisted specs don't matter, it's interesting they went for a computationally more complex chips that they don't seem to be claiming will improve battery life at all (in fact, it might be a bit worse, saved by the M7 and slightly larger battery) rather than a multi-core solution with power optimization.

    It really seems to be about the future, the iPad and perhaps the AppleTV. And it's being in the iPhone 5S to make it "flagship".
  • Reply 49 of 166
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by djsherly View Post





    I'm quite excited about the 5s, but I believe the motox sets aside a couple of low power cores for sensor processing. I think it's still on the main die but Motorola have already implemented an M7 style of architecture. Perhaps not physically, but certainly in principle.



    I'm also running ios7 on my 4s and I must say there some weird incongruencies which I don't like.



    The interface is flat, then it goes 3d in unexpected places, like tab selection in safari.



    The elastic effect when scrolling in the notes app reveals a canvas that is not quite the same colour.



    There's also a stipple background in that app, where nearly all the other Ui elements have been rid of textures.



    Losing the frames around the buttons can make things look a little unbalanced.



    Minor quibbles, but it just takes off some of the polish on what is really a great Ui overhaul given the timeframes in which it was done.

     

    I just have to say that the bolded statement seems terribly devoid of perspective.  To say so simply that the iOS 7 interface is flat... that's just not true.  Rather, it is flat in places, but hints at depth in countless ways.

     


    • Number keys disappear when dialing to reveal the background below.

    • Apps and app folders zoom in and out as if they're always just running.

    • Translucency is used everywhere to remind the user that there is both a foreground and a background.

    • Parallax motion provides a sense of depth between layers.

     

    This is just the obvious stuff off the top of my head.  I'm sure there are numerous other 3d examples to be cited.  Tab selection in Safari is perfectly in line with iOS 7's design language because it emphasizes the user's sense of layers within space.

     

    While iOS 7 uses a number of flat design elements, it is far from flat.

  • Reply 50 of 166
    I was debating whether to buy the 5S -- but I am going to do it just to get that [B][I]neat fill in the fingerprint game...[/I][/B]

    kinda' like rolling a little ball through a maze...
  • Reply 51 of 166
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brutus009 View Post

     

    Really an impressive set of new features.  Very meaningful improvements here.

     

    I honestly thought they would replace the 4S with the 5c to have a complete lineup of 4" screens with lightning connectors, but now I see why.  This gives people one more year to cling desperately to their 30-pin connector while simultaneously positioning Apple perfectly for next year's lineup:

     


    • 5c - Low end

    • 5s - High end

    • 6 - High end with a large screen

     

    After that, they're updating internals every year but maintaining exterior facades.  This will probably turn into a 4 phone lineup:

     


    • 5c - Low end

    • 5s - High end

    • 6c - Low end with a large screen

    • 6s - High end with a large screen

     

    At that point, the 5 and 6 are irrelevant.

    Rather, c is to Air as s is to Pro.

    c : Air :: s : Pro


     

     There is a lot of talk about a large screen version(s). Maybe it would be best if  they move over to bi-annual new iPhone product launches, one for smaller screens in September  and six months later for larger screen versions.

     

    That would help stop the slump in sales six months after the launch of the new iPhones in September. It would also not leave the field clear for Samseung and other competitors in around Spring . iI would give  the media a lot more to talk about Apple products instead of having to wait for yearly launches.

     

    Incidentally, Samesung must be quaking at the nightmare spectre of Apple introducing large screen iPhones. Large screens seem to be the main attractive feature of Apple's competitors. The smaller screen iPhones already outsell by three to one  Samesung' top of range  Galaxies. A large screen iPhone will steal a lot more sales from Samesung.

     

    Samesung have tried to promote their smaller screen Galaxies to compete with iPhones, but without success. 

  • Reply 52 of 166
    First, I want to note that I enjoy Apple products and plan to purchase the 5s when it gets released.

    That being said, why all of the Samsung bashing? A hands-on article like this on a pro-Apple website (nothing wrong with that) should focus exclusively on the phone itself. Instead, this "hands-on" article just seems to be trying to defend Apple's design choices against Samsung. Even the sub-header of the article states that, "Without any of Samsung's embarrassing show stereotypes and circus theatrics, Apple unveiled its "forward thinking" new iPhone 5s as not just "what's next," but "what should be next," advancing mobile devices into the 64-bit computing world for the first time". How does a header like that portray any sort of professionalism whatsoever? Few people would disagree that Samsung's Galaxy S4 unveiling was inappropriate, but how is that even remotely relevant to this article? Samsung shouldn't be mentioned at all on a pro-Apple website unless there is actual news about them that pertains to what is going on with Apple in some respect. There are ways to be in favor of one company or product without having to be against another. People who visit blogs like this have every right to their opinion, but they shouldn't be spoon-fed reasons not to like another company that makes millions of other people happy as well.

    ***Full disclosure*** - I used to own a Galaxy S4 and ended up not liking it. That is why I am switching to the iPhone 5s, since it is a product that works better for me. However, I can see why many other people enjoy the Galaxy series of phones so I do not hold hate for having diversity in the industry. 

    Am I the only person who follows this site that believes that Apple Insider takes things too far sometimes with the bashing of other companies? Am I wrong to ask for a more professional style of writing?

    You are right, of course...

    But this is DED at his best behavior. There is relatively little "opinion/bashing" and he didn't dwell on it or go off into the woods..
  • Reply 53 of 166
    mutoneon wrote: »
    "The days of "lol iPhone doesn't have X or Y feature" are over."

    You're smoking crack if you don't think there's a huge unmet demand for larger screened iPhones.

    They are losing their cachet big-time by having only one small form factor. Just because you and I don't need a bigger screen doesn't mean that everyone else feels that way. I meet people all the time who want a bigger screen so that they can see easier. Women, especially. They carry purses and handbags, and have plenty of room for a bigger phone.

    They've gotten way too conservative. They need to aggressively address their weak spots, not simply declare that they're actually strengths.

    I think this need can be better served with an iPad Mini that can make and receive phone calls. MHO.
  • Reply 54 of 166
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Yojimbo007 View Post



    Why not allow me to associate all my passwords to my fingerprint ... So that i can use it to enter password protected sits and etc.

    that is where the real value would be for me.

     

    That feature already exists. iCloud Keychain creates and stores all your passwords. When you unlock your phone, your passwords are unlocked. Done.

  • Reply 55 of 166
    I just do not get the screen size issue.

    I used a larger screen Android for 2,5 years before I switched to the iPhone 5.

    You could not change the font sizes on the Android.

    The IPhone 5 can be set for multiple font sizes up to 56 point. This covers your mail, messaging, calendar, and contacts.

    Safari web pages can be read withe the Reader feature where again the fonts can be adjusted.

    Bottom line the larger screen size does not have bigger viewing capabilities.

    For video consumption I use an iPad.

    When I show others how to reset the iPhone fonts they say thank me and are happy campers.
  • Reply 56 of 166
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Secular Investor View Post

     
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     As developers make the transition via Apple's Xcode support for 64-bit, App Store titles can be delivered in "fat binaries" with both sets of code, allowing users to run apps that automatically work correctly, depending on the hardware being used. 


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tipoo View Post

     



    So, we can be near certain that 32 bit only iOS devices will be the next support cutoff. Just like with OSX with a Snow Leopard like release that thins down the binaries. 64 bit doesn't help the 5S a whole lot today, but it will help it be supported longer when the iPad and everything else move to it. 


     

    Apple have many years of experience transiting from 32 to 64 bit architecture. They have provided a set of tools to make it really easy and fast for developers to upgrade. Developers can then concentrate on taking advantage of the much higher processing and graphics speed and quality to enhance their Apps. We can expect a flood of fantastic new or enhanced iOS Apps, which will make iOS Apps even better than Android's, than they already are.

     

    These enhancement will be especially noticable in games and the new iPad with the A7 porocessor will be the ultimate mobile games machine.  It will be a huge differentiator.

     

    Samesung have already announced they are going to copy Apple and have their own 64 bit processor. The problem is that they do not have the Apple's hands on experience and expertise and Android OS is not tailored to 64 bit either. It may take Android and Samsung years to catch up - if they ever do. 


     

    iPhone will never be the ultimate mobile games machine until it has a larger screen. Sorry.

  • Reply 57 of 166
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mutoneon View Post



    "The days of "lol iPhone doesn't have X or Y feature" are over."



    You're smoking crack if you don't think there's a huge unmet demand for larger screened iPhones.



    They are losing their cachet big-time by having only one small form factor. Just because you and I don't need a bigger screen doesn't mean that everyone else feels that way. I meet people all the time who want a bigger screen so that they can see easier. Women, especially. They carry purses and handbags, and have plenty of room for a bigger phone.



    They've gotten way too conservative. They need to aggressively address their weak spots, not simply declare that they're actually strengths.

     

    Bigger screen so that they can see easier? Then lets bring back the BoomBox for those hard of hearing.

     

    Women, especially?  What? How about man-purses for the other side.

     

    Truthfully, I can see that there is a market for a larger iPhone. However, I can't imagine that it would be large enough to address the economies of scale that we benefit from a single form factor now, and, one that satisfies the majority. 

    For those that think I am too selfish, well there are other suppliers that will satisfy size for quality and function.

    And for those that big is better and before moving UP, take some carboard and cut out one piece, 136.6 x 69.8mm and another,123.8 x 58.6mm.* Place each one at a time up to your ear. I can't image my wife wanting the former, particularly even after she has questioned herself what she ever saw in me, and even with all the purses she owns.

     

    * Add another 3-4 mm all around to compensate for the cover.

  • Reply 58 of 166
    yojimbo007 wrote: »
    What i dont get is why limit the fingerprint sensor function just to unlock and itunes.
    Why not allow me to associate all my passwords to my fingerprint ... So that i can use it to enter password protected sits and etc.
    that is where the real value would be for me.

    I think that will come as the concept proves itself. Right now Apple can create an audit trail with the iTunes Store, detect and correct any problems -- including covering any losses without getting sued.

    I suspect Apple will provide a morph of the contacts app into a "passwords" app. Each site would have an entry containing the site name, URL, login data. etc. -- tap the entry and it takes you to the site's login page and fills in the information... Tap again, and you are logged in!
  • Reply 59 of 166
    Im most excited about the 64 bit processor! The media are mindless idiots wanting Apple to fail yet want to own an iphone. The fingerprint id is actually a game changer. Its not just for signing on. There are a lot of uses we havent even thought about. Lets say I want to verify during a text exchange you are who say you are....touch you id please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We will look back in a year and not believe how we ever got along without the id touch.

    Samsung will be releasing the samsuck touch soon along side the Samsuck Dyson vac.

    Patents are worthless these days and Samsung know it...

    lk
  • Reply 60 of 166
    Originally Posted by faZZter View Post

    iPhone will never be the ultimate mobile games machine until it has a larger screen. Sorry.


     

    Wrong, but whatever.

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