I would think that a finger print, burned fingers or not is still a fingerprint. If not, one could still use their toes.
Or, if the user is really just a mangled, burned, horrific mess, they could just elect not to use the Touch ID feature.
This seems to be a great feature for those able to use it. It's probably not yet perfect, but eminently usable and will likely get better over time (including APIs for 3rd parties to leverage eventually).
Yojimbo007: undoubtedly that will come. But right now Apple just wants to make sure everything WORKS, and iron out any kinks that might pop up BEFORE opening it up further.
clearly the 5s is the most techinically advanced portable computer in the world now, with several very important new/re-born technologies deployed in Apple's typcial "just works" understated style instead of in-your-face pointless gimmicks.
but you would never learn that from reading all the blatently stupid commentary on the web about the 5s the last two days. i dare say, we may have seen a new low in shallow thinking among the tech media. could it get any worse?
but watch out, they'll cut off your finger!
Mmm.... I wonder if it has to be a finger that you scan... Something about Apple's touch surface being able to detect 11 distinct touch points at the same time... Nah!
What i dont get is why limit the fingerprint sensor function just to unlock and itunes.
Why not allow me to associate all my passwords to my fingerprint ... So that i can use it to enter password protected sits and etc.
that is where the real value would be for me.
Perhaps they want to show this works and want people to be comfortable with the technology before they expand it? My guess is over time we'll see it expanded to other things.
Yeah...
I wouldn't be too surprised if after they've proven it and refined for a year or two -- that they would license the technology to others (FRAND ?) for the good of the "industry and users"... much the way Daimler Benz shared their seatbelt tech.
"The days of "lol iPhone doesn't have X or Y feature" are over."
You're smoking crack if you don't think there's a huge unmet demand for larger screened iPhones.
They are losing their cachet big-time by having only one small form factor. Just because you and I don't need a bigger screen doesn't mean that everyone else feels that way. I meet people all the time who want a bigger screen so that they can see easier. Women, especially. They carry purses and handbags, and have plenty of room for a bigger phone.
They've gotten way too conservative. They need to aggressively address their weak spots, not simply declare that they're actually strengths.
Bigger screen so that they can see easier? Then lets bring back the BoomBox for those hard of hearing.
Women, especially? What? How about man-purses for the other side.
Truthfully, I can see that there is a market for a larger iPhone. However, I can't imagine that it would be large enough to address the economies of scale that we benefit from a single form factor now, and, one that satisfies the majority.
For those that think I am too selfish, well there are other suppliers that will satisfy size for quality and function.
And for those that big is better and before moving UP, take some carboard and cut out one piece, 136.6 x 69.8mm and another,123.8 x 58.6mm.* Place each one at a time up to your ear. I can't image my wife wanting the former, particularly even after she has questioned herself what she ever saw in me, and even with all the purses she owns.
* Add another 3-4 mm all around to compensate for the cover.
Bigger screen so that they can see easier? Exactly! It is also nice just to have a little more screen real estate to see things like spreadsheets or read web pages. I already switched to a Lumia 920 last year and the size is not an issue. (I am not saying it is the perfect phone, but it does have some great features not found on Apples phones) Besides this most of the time I "talk" on the phone it is through bluetooth in the car, so the size doesn't matter at all.
In fact I use the phone as a portable computer much more than a phone. I hardly make any phone calls except when I really need to. Most messaging is texts for me. However I still wish Apple would get it together and offer what a lot of people want.....a 4.8-5" iPhone. Not an iPhone 5c with a big screen, but the top tier iPhone with a larger screen. They are making billions, why not make even more?
Some of the early fingerprint scanners (circa 1986) were set up so you had to stick your finger into a tube-like device for scanning... The wags of the day said that if the scan failed -- it kept your finger.
The 64-bit support was a real surprise, I don't remember any of the rumour sites reporting on that. And it should make it closer to the OS X codebase which has been 64-bit only for a while now. And twice the number of registers: fantastic, that is what I think it really causing the speedup.
It's telling that the only 3rd party demo they had in the keynote was a game dev: that 2x graphics speedup really will change the gaming landscape on mobile.
Since the M7 can provide (it sounded like) statistical summaries of what happened in the last, say, half an hour, it really should be possible for an app to sleep for ages, and only get the occasional update, and not have missed anything (as long as it is not a real time updating app, like directions). This is similar to the way Time Machine works: it is able to tell what files have changed without running all the time, because the OS keeps a log for it.
Making iWork free seems risky to me: it was already topping the charts, so what do they have to gain? All they are doing is opening themselves up to antitrust charges, and recent experience has shown the govt will come after Apple giving a chance.
Overall I am very impressed with the iPhone 5S. It was Sept 12 last year that they introduced the iPhone 5, so have essentially doubled everything in one year is just amazing.
Yeah, Apple should make worthless trash to fill every niche with trash instead of gold. That's better
If you're not going to substantiate anything that you write in response, why bother in the first place?
The fact that you deny that Apple is losing cachet reflects a profound willful ignorance on your part, because the evidence is everywhere, from here to China. People used to expect Apple to lead the way, now they're expected to follow. Whether or not this is true, that is the perception. Perception is huge. They need a big-screened phone for many reasons, not the least of which is keeping the brand from looking stagnant. I like fingerprint security, it's a very nice feature, but it's not a game-changer. People won't ignore major shortcomings simply because they can unlock their phone without typing a password. Most folks will just skip the security altogether.
An iPhone with a larger screen and a larger battery isn't going downmarket, it's going upmarket. And Apple didn't get where they are today by sticking with one product, they expanded their hits into diverse product lines. The iPod Mini and Nano models sold more than the Classic by a long shot. The reason the stock ever got to 700 in the first place was because of rampant anticipation of running away with the Chinese market. Now it looks like Apple is losing their grip.
High margins are great when the demand is there. I think they're getting greedy and pound foolish.
Bigger screen so that they can see easier? Then lets bring back the BoomBox for those hard of hearing.
Women, especially? What? How about man-purses for the other side.
Truthfully, I can see that there is a market for a larger iPhone. However, I can't imagine that it would be large enough to address the economies of scale that we benefit from a single form factor now, and, one that satisfies the majority.
For those that think I am too selfish, well there are other suppliers that will satisfy size for quality and function.
And for those that big is better and before moving UP, take some carboard and cut out one piece, 136.6 x 69.8mm and another,123.8 x 58.6mm.* Place each one at a time up to your ear. I can't image my wife wanting the former, particularly even after she has questioned herself what she ever saw in me, and even with all the purses she owns.
* Add another 3-4 mm all around to compensate for the cover.
Have you failed to notice how many people are rocking Galaxy phones these days? They're everywhere. If that's a niche market, I'll take it.
If you're not going to substantiate anything that you write in response, why bother in the first place?
Ask the trolls. My substantiation is in all quarterly sales reports from all carriers and Apple.
The fact that you deny that Apple is losing cachet reflects a profound willful ignorance on your part, because the evidence is everywhere, from here to China.
Know that song, "I've been everywhere, man?" Doesn't sound like you've been anywhere.
People used to expect Apple to lead the way, now they're expected to follow.
And on what are you pretending this laughable nonsense is based?
Whether or not this is true, that is the perception.
[citation needed]
They need…
Nah.
People won't ignore major shortcomings…
And what "major shortcomings" are these? Don't say screen.
An iPhone with a larger screen and a larger battery isn't going downmarket, it's going upmarket.
Sounds more like paddling upstream.
And Apple didn't get where they are today by sticking with one product…
Must be why they sell three iPhones, then.
The reason the stock ever got to 700 in the first place was because of rampant anticipation of running away with the Chinese market.
"The days of "lol iPhone doesn't have X or Y feature" are over."
You're smoking crack if you don't think there's a huge unmet demand for larger screened iPhones.
They are losing their cachet big-time by having only one small form factor. Just because you and I don't need a bigger screen doesn't mean that everyone else feels that way. I meet people all the time who want a bigger screen so that they can see easier. Women, especially. They carry purses and handbags, and have plenty of room for a bigger phone.
They've gotten way too conservative. They need to aggressively address their weak spots, not simply declare that they're actually strengths.
Then why not just get an iPad mini with your iPhone. As i type this with my thumb with one hand on my iPhone.
The technical discussion of 64-bitness is really good, but I'm not sure you made a case for it vs. those claiming it's about the future. You made a case that it can be supported for computationally intensive cases, which is good when it does get supported. And there appear to be a few, limited internal uses for it in iOS itself. But multiple cores also would support some/all of things, albeit in different ways. And those are also a great (better?) way to manage low-power states -- although the M7 seems nice in that regard. But for a company that has long insisted specs don't matter, it's interesting they went for a computationally more complex chips that they don't seem to be claiming will improve battery life at all (in fact, it might be a bit worse, saved by the M7 and slightly larger battery) rather than a multi-core solution with power optimization. It really seems to be about the future, the iPad and perhaps the AppleTV. And it's being in the iPhone 5S to make it "flagship".
Well copycat Samesung has already announced that 64 bit is the future and will be in their next Galaxy, so they obviously realise that 64 bit really is the future, whatever their paid for bloggers and trolls might say....LOL
Despite the 5S's huge increase in speed, the A7 gives the same battery performance as the much slower A6 and much longer battery life compared to the even slower 4S. According to Apple's website they give 25% more talk time than the 4S (10 hours on 3G compared to 8 Hours); 33% more in internet use time (8 hours compared to 6 hours); 10 hours on Wi-Fi compared to 9 hours; and standby time of 250 hours compared to 200 hours.
Personally I am more than happy with the battery life I get on my 5 and look forward to the far greater speed and performance of the 5S for the same battery time. One thing I really like about the 5 is the very fast speed of recharge and hopefully the 5S will be same.
If you're not going to substantiate anything that you write in response, why bother in the first place?
The fact that you deny that Apple is losing cachet reflects a profound willful ignorance on your part, because the evidence is everywhere, from here to China. People used to expect Apple to lead the way, now they're expected to follow. Whether or not this is true, that is the perception. Perception is huge. They need a big-screened phone for many reasons, not the least of which is keeping the brand from looking stagnant. I like fingerprint security, it's a very nice feature, but it's not a game-changer. People won't ignore major shortcomings simply because they can unlock their phone without typing a password. Most folks will just skip the security altogether.
An iPhone with a larger screen and a larger battery isn't going downmarket, it's going upmarket. And Apple didn't get where they are today by sticking with one product, they expanded their hits into diverse product lines. The iPod Mini and Nano models sold more than the Classic by a long shot. The reason the stock ever got to 700 in the first place was because of rampant anticipation of running away with the Chinese market. Now it looks like Apple is losing their grip.
High margins are great when the demand is there. I think they're getting greedy and pound foolish.
Your arguing with Tallest is futile at best. In his mind, YOU are the one with the problem and Apple makes absolutely perfect devices. He also thinks that if he doesn't experience an issue (like not enough battery life) then nobody should ever have an issue. He tries to be witty, cute and come across like he knows all but all he successfully does is enrage and enflame posters with his short, nasty answers that serve no constructive purpose to this forum. I'd put money on the fact that he pushes away good, prospective members with his constant BS. I thought about putting him on my ignore list but someone (like me and a few others here, also) need to talk new members off a ledge (keep them from leaving the same day they sign up) after Tallest has his way with them. He's a very angry, nasty person.
Sometimes I admire your stamina with certain posters.
I have difficultly "letting go". " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> I tend to hope that even the worst trolls can be made to see just how stupid what they say is. I mean, we are all human, right? Supposed to be intelligent.
Trying to change that, hence the simple "shut up and go away" when someone posts something as stupid as "they didn't change anything" or "Apple needs a larger phone to keep the company from bankruptcy"…
People are foolish if they are arguing why Apple doesn't need larger screen phones. For me personally, I love the size of the iPhone 5 and if they created a larger phone, I would stick to the 4" inch screen if I had to guess. With that said, there is a huge demand for larger sized iPhones. I know some people who are practically giants and typing on the iPhone is next to impossible.
Just like Apple has an 11", 13", 15", previous 17" laptops and even 21.5" and 27" iMacs clearly show that their is a need for various sizes. I would expect these phones to come next year if I had to guess.
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"Of course Google Glass doesn't work if your eyes have been gouged out! How stupid can you get?"
"How dare Apple make their fingerprint sensor not work with burned fingers! Who do they think they are?"
I would think that a finger print, burned fingers or not is still a fingerprint. If not, one could still use their toes.
I would think that a finger print, burned fingers or not is still a fingerprint. If not, one could still use their toes.
Or, if the user is really just a mangled, burned, horrific mess, they could just elect not to use the Touch ID feature.
This seems to be a great feature for those able to use it. It's probably not yet perfect, but eminently usable and will likely get better over time (including APIs for 3rd parties to leverage eventually).
Watch out- Samsung to partner with Google to unveil new Blade Runner retina sensor to enhance Droid.
Copy Apple AND Blade Runner simultaneously!
I would think that a finger print, burned fingers or not is still a fingerprint. If not, one could still use their toes.
But you're forgetting about the huge market of people who have burnt fingers and are also double foot amputees.
Man, Apple has really dropped the ball on this iPhone 5s.
Mmm.... I wonder if it has to be a finger that you scan... Something about Apple's touch surface being able to detect 11 distinct touch points at the same time... Nah!
Yeah...
I wouldn't be too surprised if after they've proven it and refined for a year or two -- that they would license the technology to others (FRAND ?) for the good of the "industry and users"... much the way Daimler Benz shared their seatbelt tech.
"The days of "lol iPhone doesn't have X or Y feature" are over."
You're smoking crack if you don't think there's a huge unmet demand for larger screened iPhones.
They are losing their cachet big-time by having only one small form factor. Just because you and I don't need a bigger screen doesn't mean that everyone else feels that way. I meet people all the time who want a bigger screen so that they can see easier. Women, especially. They carry purses and handbags, and have plenty of room for a bigger phone.
They've gotten way too conservative. They need to aggressively address their weak spots, not simply declare that they're actually strengths.
Bigger screen so that they can see easier? Then lets bring back the BoomBox for those hard of hearing.
Women, especially? What? How about man-purses for the other side.
Truthfully, I can see that there is a market for a larger iPhone. However, I can't imagine that it would be large enough to address the economies of scale that we benefit from a single form factor now, and, one that satisfies the majority.
For those that think I am too selfish, well there are other suppliers that will satisfy size for quality and function.
And for those that big is better and before moving UP, take some carboard and cut out one piece, 136.6 x 69.8mm and another,123.8 x 58.6mm.* Place each one at a time up to your ear. I can't image my wife wanting the former, particularly even after she has questioned herself what she ever saw in me, and even with all the purses she owns.
* Add another 3-4 mm all around to compensate for the cover.
Bigger screen so that they can see easier? Exactly! It is also nice just to have a little more screen real estate to see things like spreadsheets or read web pages. I already switched to a Lumia 920 last year and the size is not an issue. (I am not saying it is the perfect phone, but it does have some great features not found on Apples phones) Besides this most of the time I "talk" on the phone it is through bluetooth in the car, so the size doesn't matter at all.
In fact I use the phone as a portable computer much more than a phone. I hardly make any phone calls except when I really need to. Most messaging is texts for me. However I still wish Apple would get it together and offer what a lot of people want.....a 4.8-5" iPhone. Not an iPhone 5c with a big screen, but the top tier iPhone with a larger screen. They are making billions, why not make even more?
Ha!
Some of the early fingerprint scanners (circa 1986) were set up so you had to stick your finger into a tube-like device for scanning... The wags of the day said that if the scan failed -- it kept your finger.
It's telling that the only 3rd party demo they had in the keynote was a game dev: that 2x graphics speedup really will change the gaming landscape on mobile.
Since the M7 can provide (it sounded like) statistical summaries of what happened in the last, say, half an hour, it really should be possible for an app to sleep for ages, and only get the occasional update, and not have missed anything (as long as it is not a real time updating app, like directions). This is similar to the way Time Machine works: it is able to tell what files have changed without running all the time, because the OS keeps a log for it.
Making iWork free seems risky to me: it was already topping the charts, so what do they have to gain? All they are doing is opening themselves up to antitrust charges, and recent experience has shown the govt will come after Apple giving a chance.
Overall I am very impressed with the iPhone 5S. It was Sept 12 last year that they introduced the iPhone 5, so have essentially doubled everything in one year is just amazing.
No, that's not true.
Yeah, Apple should make worthless trash to fill every niche with trash instead of gold. That's better
If you're not going to substantiate anything that you write in response, why bother in the first place?
The fact that you deny that Apple is losing cachet reflects a profound willful ignorance on your part, because the evidence is everywhere, from here to China. People used to expect Apple to lead the way, now they're expected to follow. Whether or not this is true, that is the perception. Perception is huge. They need a big-screened phone for many reasons, not the least of which is keeping the brand from looking stagnant. I like fingerprint security, it's a very nice feature, but it's not a game-changer. People won't ignore major shortcomings simply because they can unlock their phone without typing a password. Most folks will just skip the security altogether.
An iPhone with a larger screen and a larger battery isn't going downmarket, it's going upmarket. And Apple didn't get where they are today by sticking with one product, they expanded their hits into diverse product lines. The iPod Mini and Nano models sold more than the Classic by a long shot. The reason the stock ever got to 700 in the first place was because of rampant anticipation of running away with the Chinese market. Now it looks like Apple is losing their grip.
High margins are great when the demand is there. I think they're getting greedy and pound foolish.
Bigger screen so that they can see easier? Then lets bring back the BoomBox for those hard of hearing.
Women, especially? What? How about man-purses for the other side.
Truthfully, I can see that there is a market for a larger iPhone. However, I can't imagine that it would be large enough to address the economies of scale that we benefit from a single form factor now, and, one that satisfies the majority.
For those that think I am too selfish, well there are other suppliers that will satisfy size for quality and function.
And for those that big is better and before moving UP, take some carboard and cut out one piece, 136.6 x 69.8mm and another,123.8 x 58.6mm.* Place each one at a time up to your ear. I can't image my wife wanting the former, particularly even after she has questioned herself what she ever saw in me, and even with all the purses she owns.
* Add another 3-4 mm all around to compensate for the cover.
Have you failed to notice how many people are rocking Galaxy phones these days? They're everywhere. If that's a niche market, I'll take it.
If you're not going to substantiate anything that you write in response, why bother in the first place?
Ask the trolls. My substantiation is in all quarterly sales reports from all carriers and Apple.
Know that song, "I've been everywhere, man?" Doesn't sound like you've been anywhere.
And on what are you pretending this laughable nonsense is based?
[citation needed]
Nah.
And what "major shortcomings" are these? Don't say screen.
An iPhone with a larger screen and a larger battery isn't going downmarket, it's going upmarket.
Sounds more like paddling upstream.
Must be why they sell three iPhones, then.
No. Okay, fine, source?
Oh, there's grip being lost somewhere…
Then why not just get an iPad mini with your iPhone. As i type this with my thumb with one hand on my iPhone.
The technical discussion of 64-bitness is really good, but I'm not sure you made a case for it vs. those claiming it's about the future. You made a case that it can be supported for computationally intensive cases, which is good when it does get supported. And there appear to be a few, limited internal uses for it in iOS itself. But multiple cores also would support some/all of things, albeit in different ways. And those are also a great (better?) way to manage low-power states -- although the M7 seems nice in that regard. But for a company that has long insisted specs don't matter, it's interesting they went for a computationally more complex chips that they don't seem to be claiming will improve battery life at all (in fact, it might be a bit worse, saved by the M7 and slightly larger battery) rather than a multi-core solution with power optimization. It really seems to be about the future, the iPad and perhaps the AppleTV. And it's being in the iPhone 5S to make it "flagship".
Well copycat Samesung has already announced that 64 bit is the future and will be in their next Galaxy, so they obviously realise that 64 bit really is the future, whatever their paid for bloggers and trolls might say....LOL
Despite the 5S's huge increase in speed, the A7 gives the same battery performance as the much slower A6 and much longer battery life compared to the even slower 4S. According to Apple's website they give 25% more talk time than the 4S (10 hours on 3G compared to 8 Hours); 33% more in internet use time (8 hours compared to 6 hours); 10 hours on Wi-Fi compared to 9 hours; and standby time of 250 hours compared to 200 hours.
Personally I am more than happy with the battery life I get on my 5 and look forward to the far greater speed and performance of the 5S for the same battery time. One thing I really like about the 5 is the very fast speed of recharge and hopefully the 5S will be same.
Sometimes I admire your stamina with certain posters.
If you're not going to substantiate anything that you write in response, why bother in the first place?
The fact that you deny that Apple is losing cachet reflects a profound willful ignorance on your part, because the evidence is everywhere, from here to China. People used to expect Apple to lead the way, now they're expected to follow. Whether or not this is true, that is the perception. Perception is huge. They need a big-screened phone for many reasons, not the least of which is keeping the brand from looking stagnant. I like fingerprint security, it's a very nice feature, but it's not a game-changer. People won't ignore major shortcomings simply because they can unlock their phone without typing a password. Most folks will just skip the security altogether.
An iPhone with a larger screen and a larger battery isn't going downmarket, it's going upmarket. And Apple didn't get where they are today by sticking with one product, they expanded their hits into diverse product lines. The iPod Mini and Nano models sold more than the Classic by a long shot. The reason the stock ever got to 700 in the first place was because of rampant anticipation of running away with the Chinese market. Now it looks like Apple is losing their grip.
High margins are great when the demand is there. I think they're getting greedy and pound foolish.
Your arguing with Tallest is futile at best. In his mind, YOU are the one with the problem and Apple makes absolutely perfect devices. He also thinks that if he doesn't experience an issue (like not enough battery life) then nobody should ever have an issue. He tries to be witty, cute and come across like he knows all but all he successfully does is enrage and enflame posters with his short, nasty answers that serve no constructive purpose to this forum. I'd put money on the fact that he pushes away good, prospective members with his constant BS. I thought about putting him on my ignore list but someone (like me and a few others here, also) need to talk new members off a ledge (keep them from leaving the same day they sign up) after Tallest has his way with them. He's a very angry, nasty person.
I have difficultly "letting go".
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> I tend to hope that even the worst trolls can be made to see just how stupid what they say is. I mean, we are all human, right? Supposed to be intelligent.
Trying to change that, hence the simple "shut up and go away" when someone posts something as stupid as "they didn't change anything" or "Apple needs a larger phone to keep the company from bankruptcy"…
People are foolish if they are arguing why Apple doesn't need larger screen phones. For me personally, I love the size of the iPhone 5 and if they created a larger phone, I would stick to the 4" inch screen if I had to guess. With that said, there is a huge demand for larger sized iPhones. I know some people who are practically giants and typing on the iPhone is next to impossible.
Just like Apple has an 11", 13", 15", previous 17" laptops and even 21.5" and 27" iMacs clearly show that their is a need for various sizes. I would expect these phones to come next year if I had to guess.