It's times like this that elicit such fond memories:
"... This is not an emerging business. In fact it's gone so far that it's in the process of consolidation with probably two players dominating everything, Nokia Corp. NOK, 0.82% and Motorola Inc. MSI, 0.43%"
Finnish Prime Minister self-effacedly credits Apple with being a disruptor, Apple fanboards erupt in multi-armed grasp for a defence and/or counter offence.
Lot of insecurity round here.
I think most here are taking the proverbial out of the poor man... and not taking it too seriously.
Did the Finnish post office blame Nokia for ruining their business - all those people using mobile phones instead of sending a letter or postcard? Which would have also helped to keep their paper industry going too I suppose.
Yeah well first it's the US Justice Department whining about how secure their phones are that they can't violate the Fourth and do a sneak and peek through the back door now Finland is crying in its Vodka because the iPhone has some how single handedly destroyed their economy.
Who woulda thunk that the iPhone aside from being the choice of terrorists and drug dealers according to the FBI would now be considered a weapon of mass economic destruction?
It's paper. Apple has done well then! Make something else! Nokia has lost it's grip and the way it's going it won't gain it back. Apple might be one factor but things change. Save the trees! Apple is being incrementally friends by stopping you from cutting the trees down and printing office work you could have emailed. It's being used for a better use and other companies are cheaper for paper.
I remember Nokia phones being outdated years before the iPhone came out! There was a very distinct point in time where LG's had color screens, flip out keyboards, dual speakers and were playing garbage quality mp3's. Motorola had its own group of followers because of the RAZR phones, which were just gorgeous.....and nokia just had the same stuff they had, but simply repackaged into a different crappy plastic shell. Eventually Nokia followed the trends, but they were late to the game and SO EXPENSIVE and not that much better (if better at all) of a product than all the cheaper LG's and Motorola phones.... These phones along with touchscreen phones from blackberry led the trends way before apple came out with the iPhone that blew everything else out of the water. My point here is mainly that Nokia stopped being innovative, at least in the United States, long before the iPhone was a twinkle in Job's eye.
China is actually a net importer of paper and pulp from Finland, and although China invented paper and is the world's largest producer, a majority of paper produced in China is from imported waste paper since China has meager wood resources.
So then, you are suggesting China recycling paper harmed Finland's industry? Doubful. Probably you just like to bash China.
I'd love to have heard Steve's pitch to Quest (which became part of AT&T) and could detect what Quest saw that made them move on Steve's offer... They saw something that the other cell providers didn't see... I wonder what it was?
But to answer your question, at that time Verizon insisted on having control of the cell phone experience for phones on their network, with their branding/logos everywhere, as well as their steaming pile of shovelware. Cingular caved in exchange for a five year exclusive. Simple as that...
I remember Nokia phones being outdated years before the iPhone came out! There was a very distinct point in time where LG's had color screens, flip out keyboards, dual speakers and were playing garbage quality mp3's. Motorola had its own group of followers because of the RAZR phones, which were just gorgeous.....and nokia just had the same stuff they had, but simply repackaged into a different crappy plastic shell. Eventually Nokia followed the trends, but they were late to the game and SO EXPENSIVE and not that much better (if better at all) of a product than all the cheaper LG's and Motorola phones.... These phones along with touchscreen phones from blackberry led the trends way before apple came out with the iPhone that blew everything else out of the water. My point here is mainly that Nokia stopped being innovative, at least in the United States, long before the iPhone was a twinkle in Job's eye.
One should also keep in mind that communication systems are government controlled. For security reasons, every country dictated not only what protocols were allowed, but who were allowed to communicate in their respective countries and even who could make the hardware. Even today, majority of foreign telecom ownership is against the law.
If I am not mistaken, the Nokia 1100 is still the world's best selling phone, introduced in 2003 and was designed in California.
Nokia is not the only company or industry that Apple is killing. But let's give Apple the credit. Jobs made it hard for everyone to copy his innovations. And for any mobile company, he made if virtually impossible to make a 'better mouse trap'.
Now, just think that the alter ego of this guy is the current secretary of the treasury of the European Union. Do you feel confident that the continent will really have a 'comeback'?
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"... This is not an emerging business. In fact it's gone so far that it's in the process of consolidation with probably two players dominating everything, Nokia Corp. NOK, 0.82% and Motorola Inc. MSI, 0.43%"
-- John C. Dvorak, Mar 28, 2007.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-should-pull-the-plug-on-the-iphone
When they’re annexed by Russia.
Oh ... good thinking ... Now that explains you know who's posts ....
There is norway they could know is there?
I think most here are taking the proverbial out of the poor man... and not taking it too seriously.
How do the Finnish know when they're done?
When they've made a name for themselves by writing poetry and having a Christian name of John.
Who woulda thunk that the iPhone aside from being the choice of terrorists and drug dealers according to the FBI would now be considered a weapon of mass economic destruction?
Must be a slow news day.
Babies, quit your crying.
Competition is supposed to stimulate you to do better.
Go work on the next big thing!
Few countries have shown as much on-the-ground resistance to annexation by the Soviet Union as Finland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
I remember Nokia phones being outdated years before the iPhone came out! There was a very distinct point in time where LG's had color screens, flip out keyboards, dual speakers and were playing garbage quality mp3's. Motorola had its own group of followers because of the RAZR phones, which were just gorgeous.....and nokia just had the same stuff they had, but simply repackaged into a different crappy plastic shell. Eventually Nokia followed the trends, but they were late to the game and SO EXPENSIVE and not that much better (if better at all) of a product than all the cheaper LG's and Motorola phones.... These phones along with touchscreen phones from blackberry led the trends way before apple came out with the iPhone that blew everything else out of the water. My point here is mainly that Nokia stopped being innovative, at least in the United States, long before the iPhone was a twinkle in Job's eye.
perhaps it's your government's incompetent and nokia's arrogance and ignorance, prime minister.
China is actually a net importer of paper and pulp from Finland, and although China invented paper and is the world's largest producer, a majority of paper produced in China is from imported waste paper since China has meager wood resources.
So then, you are suggesting China recycling paper harmed Finland's industry? Doubful. Probably you just like to bash China.
I'd love to have heard Steve's pitch to Quest (which became part of AT&T) and could detect what Quest saw that made them move on Steve's offer... They saw something that the other cell providers didn't see... I wonder what it was?
Qwest became CenturyLink. Different companies. You're thinking of Cingular.
But to answer your question, at that time Verizon insisted on having control of the cell phone experience for phones on their network, with their branding/logos everywhere, as well as their steaming pile of shovelware. Cingular caved in exchange for a five year exclusive. Simple as that...
I remember Nokia phones being outdated years before the iPhone came out! There was a very distinct point in time where LG's had color screens, flip out keyboards, dual speakers and were playing garbage quality mp3's. Motorola had its own group of followers because of the RAZR phones, which were just gorgeous.....and nokia just had the same stuff they had, but simply repackaged into a different crappy plastic shell. Eventually Nokia followed the trends, but they were late to the game and SO EXPENSIVE and not that much better (if better at all) of a product than all the cheaper LG's and Motorola phones.... These phones along with touchscreen phones from blackberry led the trends way before apple came out with the iPhone that blew everything else out of the water. My point here is mainly that Nokia stopped being innovative, at least in the United States, long before the iPhone was a twinkle in Job's eye.
As I posted previously,
The Untold Story: How the iPhone Blew Up the Wireless Industry
In 2002, shortly after the first iPod was released, Jobs started thinking about developing a phone. He saw millions of Americans lugging separate phones, BlackBerrys, and — now — MP3 players; naturally, consumers would prefer just one device. He also saw a future in which cell phones and mobile email devices would amass ever more features, eventually challenging the iPod's dominance as a music player. To protect his new product line, Jobs knew he would eventually need to venture into the wireless world.
If the idea was obvious, so were the obstacles. Data networks were sluggish and not ready for a full-blown handheld Internet device. An iPhone would require Apple to create a completely new operating system; the iPod's OS wasn't sophisticated enough to manage complicated networking or graphics, and even a scaled-down version of OS X would be too much for a cell phone chip to handle. Apple would be facing strong competition, too: In 2003, consumers had flocked to the Palm Treo 600, which merged a phone, PDA, and BlackBerry into one slick package. That proved there was demand for a so-called convergence device, but it also raised the bar for Apple's engineers.
Then there were the wireless carriers. Jobs knew they dictated what to build and how to build it, and that they treated the hardware as little more than a vehicle to get users onto their networks. Jobs, a notorious control freak himself, wasn't about to let a group of suits — whom he would later call "orifices" — tell him how to design his phone.
One should also keep in mind that communication systems are government controlled. For security reasons, every country dictated not only what protocols were allowed, but who were allowed to communicate in their respective countries and even who could make the hardware. Even today, majority of foreign telecom ownership is against the law.
If I am not mistaken, the Nokia 1100 is still the world's best selling phone, introduced in 2003 and was designed in California.
Nokia is not the only company or industry that Apple is killing. But let's give Apple the credit. Jobs made it hard for everyone to copy his innovations. And for any mobile company, he made if virtually impossible to make a 'better mouse trap'.
Stock in the past .. Think Diferent ....has deeply roots
Now, just think that the alter ego of this guy is the current secretary of the treasury of the European Union. Do you feel confident that the continent will really have a 'comeback'?
Still, Nokia sells telecom cables. And the iPhone and iPad increased data traffic. Isn't Apple helping the Finnish economy?