I ran out of space on a 64GB iPad, so much so that I couldn't receive the OTA iOS 8 update. Who's fault is that? Mine or Apple's? According to your flawgic, it would be Apple's fault because they didn't make the base model 128GB, and OTA updates are the last thing I should have to think about when buying my iPad. According to you, I am not at fault for filling up my iPad's storage, and I am not at fault to choosing the 64GB model. You have to agree with that, or else you disagree with your own logic
Come on. If you fill up 64GB and OTA iso 8 failed due to lack of available storage than you would have same argument if you had 1000GB ipad which also got filled up and no storage left for 1GB ios 8 update. Every available storage can be filled up. Argument for moving 16GB to 32GB at low end is for most of those who use their idevices for some applications and some photos/videos. and with that minimum usage, 16GB get filledup fast. So, millions of 16GB uses asking for 32GB and not those who has higher demand for storage. But those with 32/64/128GB runs out of space than it is your problem because you will never have enough storage not to get filled up. it is common sense thingy.
Apple should make low end as 32GB and in process keep some portion of storage hidden from user and use that storage during large IOS update or when critical update needed.This way, they won't have same ios 8 fiasco.
Are you serious?
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">I ran out of space on a 64GB iPad, so much so that I couldn't receive the OTA iOS 8 update. Who's fault is that? Mine or Apple's? According to your flawgic, it would be Apple's fault because they didn't make the base model 128GB, and OTA updates are the last thing I should have to think about when buying my iPad. According to you, I am not at fault for filling up my iPad's storage, and I am not at fault to choosing the 64GB model. You have to agree with that, or else you disagree with your own logic.</span>
This isn't rocket science. It's a lot easier for someone to quickly fill up an 8GB or 16GB device than 64GB or 128GB.
Come on. If you fill up 64GB and OTA iso 8 failed due to lack of available storage than you would have same argument if you had 1000GB ipad which also got filled up and no storage left for 1GB ios 8 update. Every available storage can be filled up. Argument for moving 16GB to 32GB at low end is for most of those who use their idevices for some applications and some photos/videos. and with that minimum usage, 16GB get filledup fast. So, millions of 16GB uses asking for 32GB and not those who has higher demand for storage. But those with 32/64/128GB runs out of space than it is your problem because you will never have enough storage not to get filled up. it is common sense thingy.
Nope. Nobody forced a customer to buy the 16GB model. You're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand and saying if the customer chooses to be on one side of the line and they don't like it, it's the customer's fault, but if the customer chooses to be on the other side of the line and they don't like it, it's Apple's fault. It is a logically inconsistent argument. Rigorous logic should be common sense, not a rhetorical "thingy" to "win" forums battles.
Watch everyone defending Apple for keeping 16GB as the base model then fellate them when they make it 32GB.
That's stupid. Apple will eventually change it, just as the minimum was 4GB and then 8GB, but this entitlement that they should change it because people on message boards don't want to pay over the minimum but need more room is fucking ridiculous.
The truth is that many people are buying the 16GB not because they wanted to but because they had to. Whenever I go shopping to BJ's or Target I can see their inventory and it's always nothing but the 16GB models. So is it most popular because that's what people want or because that's what Apple makes most of and people have little choice but buy them?
The truth is that many people are buying the 16GB not because they wanted to but because they had to. Whenever I go shopping to BJ's or Target I can see their inventory and it's always nothing but the 16GB models. So is it most popular because that's what people want or because that's what Apple makes most of and people have little choice but buy them?
1) That's bullshit! No one is forced to buy anything from Apple.
2) If you think it's because Apple makes too many of them and too little the higher tiers it goes against Apple trying to make money by forcing people to buy higher tiers.
This isn't rocket science. It's a lot easier for someone to quickly fill up an 8GB or 16GB device than 64GB or 128GB.
That's your response? Well then it means you have nothing. Look at this way: the fact that GM makes a small car does not make it their fault if I choose to buy that car and later find out that it's too small for my needs. GM puts a range of car sizes on the market, but it's the market that decides what they want to buy. Is that rocket science to you?
My point is if it's up to users to properly manage storage why is Apple going through all this work with iOS 9? If it was up to you you'd just tell people to learn how to manage their storage and not be fucking morons.
Yet another stupid comment. So now Apple should forget about optimizing their OS and improving the update procedures and just give everyone more space instead? Ridiculous. I guess you forget when you had to download a full iOS package from Apple and connect your iPhone to your PC in order to install the new version of iOS. Then came OTA updates with reduced file sizes. Apple is simply taking the next logical step in optimizing OS updates.
Then we have App thinning. Remember when App sizes went up when developers would have a 32bit and 64bit version inside a single App? Again, this is just another logical progression to reduce App sizes.
One more thing. How much bandwidth do you think Apple goes through in a year for iOS updates or App downloads? Did it ever occur to you that reducing OS update size and App sizes would have a huge impact on their data center loads? Probably not, you're going to twist it around to cloud the issue of whether 16GB is enough storage.
BTW, I'd bet cold, hard cash that if I went back to iOS 7 and the 64bit discussion that you'd be bitching about increased App size. And now when Apple reduces App size you still bitch.
1) Your first problem is you think that the tiering is based on the coast on NAND.
2) If you think like that @Rogifan that this is some pathetic conspiracy by Apple to get you to buy higher tier storage because 16GB isn't enough for anyone then why will iOS 9 remove over 3GB from the system, bringing it back to iOS 3.x(?) sizes if that's their ridiculous plan?
I'm not sure why Apple even offers 16gb anymore. Phones have become so powerful and so functional they should really start at 64gb. Right now the extra 100.00 for 64gb seems like a no brainer. I'm not sure how much of a hit if any Apple would take if they simply got rid of the 16gb option and set the starting price point 100.00 higher for the 64gb.
We already have 64gb and 128gb we can't be that far away from customers wanting 256gb.
The truth is that many people are buying the 16GB not because they wanted to but because they had to. Whenever I go shopping to BJ's or Target I can see their inventory and it's always nothing but the 16GB models. So is it most popular because that's what people want or because that's what Apple makes most of and people have little choice but buy them?
1) That's bullshit! No one is forced to buy anything from Apple.
2) If you think it's because Apple makes too many of them and too little the higher tiers it goes against Apple trying to make money by forcing people to buy higher tiers.
Logic would dictate that the most popular model would be the hardest to find yet it's the easiest, the supply is greater than the demand. I'm sure all those 16 GB models get sold to people who don't know that there's different models.
I'm sure all those 16 GB models get sold to people who don't know that there's different models.
Just a quick sanity check of your hand-waving generalization:
Nope. You can't buy one without being presented with a storage choice. You can't accidentally buy the wrong iPhone because you have to also specify the carrier and the color, in addition to storage. Wanna try again?
Nope. You can't buy one without being presented with a storage choice. You can't accidentally buy the wrong iPhone because you have to also specify the carrier and the color, in addition to storage. Wanna try again?
A great many people don't buy on the website. They'll go to a store and get what's available. Just because that's how you do it doesn't mean that's how everyone else buys it.
The truth is that many people are buying the 16GB not because they wanted to but because they had to. Whenever I go shopping to BJ's or Target I can see their inventory and it's always nothing but the 16GB models. So is it most popular because that's what people want or because that's what Apple makes most of and people have little choice but buy them?
Do you even read what you write?
Why the HELL would Apple want people to choose the 16GB model if it give them less revenue, less gross profit, and less net profit? Why the HELL! They would much rather sell the 64GB and 128GB models that give then much more profit. Sometimes I wonder if any of you ever took a basic math class or basic business class.
I know about supply and demand. It's obvious the supply is greater than the demand. Those devices get purchased because there's nothing else available. What's so hard for you to understand?
Let's be honest. I love what Apple do because they do from honest, handwork, innovation and give humanity more than what we know we want. But, time has come when price of memory has come down so much that 32GB is not out of their reach to offer as base model. How pricing works is not my area of expertise but I can see that with nomral use of iphone with 16GB, you can live with but 32GB can give comfort of not running out of storage while upgrading IOS like what happened to IOS 8. 3 iphones 4s lost everything in my house while upgrading to ios 8. Lesson needs to be learned.
Watch everyone defending Apple for keeping 16GB as the base model then fellate them when they make it 32GB.
What a moronic statement. I don't think Apple NEEDS to change their base storage, because I think it would be bad for their bottom line and their business, never mind the fact that a shitload of people are perfectly fine with 16GB. At the same time, as a consumer I'm not going to complain if I can get a 32GB for the same price as a 16GB. Hell, I also wouldn't mind 256GB for the same price. I also wouldn't mind if I got a free Mac Pro with my iPhone purchase. But I can also acknowledge that all those things would be horrible business moves.
There's absolutely nothing contradictory about those statements, and it's sad that you need to use sexual implications instead of actually understanding some subtlety and the arguments being used.
Watch everyone defending Apple for keeping 16GB as the base model then fellate them when they make it 32GB.
What a moronic statement. I don't think Apple NEEDS to change their base storage, because I think it would be bad for their bottom line and their business, never mind the fact that a shitload of people are perfectly fine with 16GB. At the same time, as a consumer I'm not going to complain if I can get a 32GB for the same price as a 16GB. Hell, I also wouldn't mind 256GB for the same price. I also wouldn't mind if I got a free Mac Pro with my iPhone purchase. But I can also acknowledge that all those things would be horrible business moves.
There's absolutely nothing contradictory about those statements, and it's sad that you need to use sexual implications instead of actually understanding some subtlety and the arguments being used.
So why did they NEED to change it from 4GB and 8GB?
Logic would dictate that the most popular model would be the hardest to find yet it's the easiest, the supply is greater than the demand. I'm sure all those 16 GB models get sold to people who don't know that there's different models.
Seems to be the hardest every yet a, but I'd you want to talk of logic then logically Apple should have the capacities available to fit their customer needs which will mean that certain vendors, certain location, and even certain times in the product cycle will have different demand requirements.
I'm not sure why Apple even offers 16gb anymore. Phones have become so powerful and so functional they should really start at 64gb. Right now the extra 100.00 for 64gb seems like a no brainer. I'm not sure how much of a hit if any Apple would take if they simply got rid of the 16gb option and set the starting price point 100.00 higher for the 64gb.
We already have 64gb and 128gb we can't be that far away from customers wanting 256gb.
You're pulling an invented performance/storage capacity matrix out your ass? You just took the crown for this thread.
Apple got a way with 16 GB last year I'm not so sure that will work again. I have a feeling if the entry level 6S/Plus starts at 16GB Apple will have a lot of pised off customers and will lose some good will.
Oh, quit beating your little toy drum. There will be users who won't be able to fill 16 Gb, and others for whom 16Gb isn't enough; for the latter they can quadruple their storage for $100. "Pissed off customers," indeed!
Go to eBay where products are street-priced to sell - see how iPhone's value is perceived by buyers. See how your above pissing and moaning about good will doesn't hold water. Your "good will" name on this board is better then this crusade you manufactured. You're hurting your own brand.
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Are you serious?
I ran out of space on a 64GB iPad, so much so that I couldn't receive the OTA iOS 8 update. Who's fault is that? Mine or Apple's? According to your flawgic, it would be Apple's fault because they didn't make the base model 128GB, and OTA updates are the last thing I should have to think about when buying my iPad. According to you, I am not at fault for filling up my iPad's storage, and I am not at fault to choosing the 64GB model. You have to agree with that, or else you disagree with your own logic
Come on. If you fill up 64GB and OTA iso 8 failed due to lack of available storage than you would have same argument if you had 1000GB ipad which also got filled up and no storage left for 1GB ios 8 update. Every available storage can be filled up. Argument for moving 16GB to 32GB at low end is for most of those who use their idevices for some applications and some photos/videos. and with that minimum usage, 16GB get filledup fast. So, millions of 16GB uses asking for 32GB and not those who has higher demand for storage. But those with 32/64/128GB runs out of space than it is your problem because you will never have enough storage not to get filled up. it is common sense thingy.
Apple should make low end as 32GB and in process keep some portion of storage hidden from user and use that storage during large IOS update or when critical update needed.This way, they won't have same ios 8 fiasco.
I wonder what people will say when the new iPhones have 2GB RAM. According to some here more RAM just encourages bad behavior by developers.
This isn't rocket science. It's a lot easier for someone to quickly fill up an 8GB or 16GB device than 64GB or 128GB.
And yet you can't even understand basic concepts or keep from contradicting your own shortsighted defense.
Come on. If you fill up 64GB and OTA iso 8 failed due to lack of available storage than you would have same argument if you had 1000GB ipad which also got filled up and no storage left for 1GB ios 8 update. Every available storage can be filled up. Argument for moving 16GB to 32GB at low end is for most of those who use their idevices for some applications and some photos/videos. and with that minimum usage, 16GB get filledup fast. So, millions of 16GB uses asking for 32GB and not those who has higher demand for storage. But those with 32/64/128GB runs out of space than it is your problem because you will never have enough storage not to get filled up. it is common sense thingy.
Nope. Nobody forced a customer to buy the 16GB model. You're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand and saying if the customer chooses to be on one side of the line and they don't like it, it's the customer's fault, but if the customer chooses to be on the other side of the line and they don't like it, it's Apple's fault. It is a logically inconsistent argument. Rigorous logic should be common sense, not a rhetorical "thingy" to "win" forums battles.
The truth is that many people are buying the 16GB not because they wanted to but because they had to. Whenever I go shopping to BJ's or Target I can see their inventory and it's always nothing but the 16GB models. So is it most popular because that's what people want or because that's what Apple makes most of and people have little choice but buy them?
1) That's bullshit! No one is forced to buy anything from Apple.
2) If you think it's because Apple makes too many of them and too little the higher tiers it goes against Apple trying to make money by forcing people to buy higher tiers.
This isn't rocket science. It's a lot easier for someone to quickly fill up an 8GB or 16GB device than 64GB or 128GB.
That's your response? Well then it means you have nothing. Look at this way: the fact that GM makes a small car does not make it their fault if I choose to buy that car and later find out that it's too small for my needs. GM puts a range of car sizes on the market, but it's the market that decides what they want to buy. Is that rocket science to you?
Yet another stupid comment. So now Apple should forget about optimizing their OS and improving the update procedures and just give everyone more space instead? Ridiculous. I guess you forget when you had to download a full iOS package from Apple and connect your iPhone to your PC in order to install the new version of iOS. Then came OTA updates with reduced file sizes. Apple is simply taking the next logical step in optimizing OS updates.
Then we have App thinning. Remember when App sizes went up when developers would have a 32bit and 64bit version inside a single App? Again, this is just another logical progression to reduce App sizes.
One more thing. How much bandwidth do you think Apple goes through in a year for iOS updates or App downloads? Did it ever occur to you that reducing OS update size and App sizes would have a huge impact on their data center loads? Probably not, you're going to twist it around to cloud the issue of whether 16GB is enough storage.
BTW, I'd bet cold, hard cash that if I went back to iOS 7 and the 64bit discussion that you'd be bitching about increased App size. And now when Apple reduces App size you still bitch.
1) Your first problem is you think that the tiering is based on the coast on NAND.
2) If you think like that @Rogifan that this is some pathetic conspiracy by Apple to get you to buy higher tier storage because 16GB isn't enough for anyone then why will iOS 9 remove over 3GB from the system, bringing it back to iOS 3.x(?) sizes if that's their ridiculous plan?
I'm not sure why Apple even offers 16gb anymore. Phones have become so powerful and so functional they should really start at 64gb. Right now the extra 100.00 for 64gb seems like a no brainer. I'm not sure how much of a hit if any Apple would take if they simply got rid of the 16gb option and set the starting price point 100.00 higher for the 64gb.
We already have 64gb and 128gb we can't be that far away from customers wanting 256gb.
Logic would dictate that the most popular model would be the hardest to find yet it's the easiest, the supply is greater than the demand. I'm sure all those 16 GB models get sold to people who don't know that there's different models.
I'm sure all those 16 GB models get sold to people who don't know that there's different models.
Just a quick sanity check of your hand-waving generalization:
Nope. You can't buy one without being presented with a storage choice. You can't accidentally buy the wrong iPhone because you have to also specify the carrier and the color, in addition to storage. Wanna try again?
A great many people don't buy on the website. They'll go to a store and get what's available. Just because that's how you do it doesn't mean that's how everyone else buys it.
I know about supply and demand. It's obvious the supply is greater than the demand. Those devices get purchased because there's nothing else available. What's so hard for you to understand?
Let's be honest. I love what Apple do because they do from honest, handwork, innovation and give humanity more than what we know we want. But, time has come when price of memory has come down so much that 32GB is not out of their reach to offer as base model. How pricing works is not my area of expertise but I can see that with nomral use of iphone with 16GB, you can live with but 32GB can give comfort of not running out of storage while upgrading IOS like what happened to IOS 8. 3 iphones 4s lost everything in my house while upgrading to ios 8. Lesson needs to be learned.
A great many people don't buy on the website. They'll go to a store and get what's available.
I'm sure all those 16 GB models get sold to people who don't know that there's different models.
The truth is that many people are buying the 16GB not because they wanted to but because they had to.
Since the 16GB is the most popular that means that there are millions upon millions of cheap bastards not willing to pay the extra $100.
Geez, have you met yourself?
I mean, you're not simply throwing spurious and contradicting arguments left and right to troll us, right?
In any scenario, show me how Apple is to blame for caveat emptor.
Watch everyone defending Apple for keeping 16GB as the base model then fellate them when they make it 32GB.
What a moronic statement. I don't think Apple NEEDS to change their base storage, because I think it would be bad for their bottom line and their business, never mind the fact that a shitload of people are perfectly fine with 16GB. At the same time, as a consumer I'm not going to complain if I can get a 32GB for the same price as a 16GB. Hell, I also wouldn't mind 256GB for the same price. I also wouldn't mind if I got a free Mac Pro with my iPhone purchase. But I can also acknowledge that all those things would be horrible business moves.
There's absolutely nothing contradictory about those statements, and it's sad that you need to use sexual implications instead of actually understanding some subtlety and the arguments being used.
So why did they NEED to change it from 4GB and 8GB?
Seems to be the hardest every yet a, but I'd you want to talk of logic then logically Apple should have the capacities available to fit their customer needs which will mean that certain vendors, certain location, and even certain times in the product cycle will have different demand requirements.
You're pulling an invented performance/storage capacity matrix out your ass? You just took the crown for this thread.
Oh, quit beating your little toy drum. There will be users who won't be able to fill 16 Gb, and others for whom 16Gb isn't enough; for the latter they can quadruple their storage for $100. "Pissed off customers," indeed!
Go to eBay where products are street-priced to sell - see how iPhone's value is perceived by buyers. See how your above pissing and moaning about good will doesn't hold water. Your "good will" name on this board is better then this crusade you manufactured. You're hurting your own brand.